WAR Aesop: "And the drum beats on" -- Sobering words for a blustery Friday Morn.

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Best read at: https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2019/03/and-drum-beats-on.html

Read there and follow the links there.

Thursday, March 7, 2019
And The Drum Beats On...

h/t WRSA




Today, this thoughtful essay from Malcolm Pollack:
"'Because the next Democrat president might be the last president of a free America, and then we will have to shoot our way out of socialism.' -[from Sarah Hoyt]
That’s it exactly: we are desperate. We know how close we are to the edge, to the dissolution of civilized order into chaos and tyranny. We can feel in our bones the implacable hatred of our would-be commissars for everything we believe is good and right and true — along with a growing understanding that their hatred doesn’t stop at our traditions and beliefs. As long as we live and breathe, we are a threat. If the blood-soaked history of the twentieth century can teach us anything at all, it should teach us that it will not be enough to see us displaced and destroyed. They will want us dead and gone.
One of the milestones along the road to civil war is the normalization of violence as a rational response to a dehumanized enemy, followed soon after by an eagerness for general conflict."
RTWT.

We, along with many others, have been telling you the same thing, for years.
When the legacy media pundits are starting to trip over it, we've already passed Peak Reality. This one is just another datum to add to the graph.

When 200 compasses all point north as being in the same direction, you're got a pretty good handle on which direction you're heading. True in the actual wilderness, and true in the wilderness into which national political discourse has wandered. Nothing looks right, but there's a lingering overcast, and an oppressive heavy stench of decay, with a faint whiff of death nearby, but just beyond the fog and undergrowth.

We are entering what Sun Tzu called "death ground".
The place where wise generals dread to fight, and where the consequences for the loser are permanent.

There will be no retrograde, no feint, no headlong retreat.
We are heading into the civilizational Thunderdome:
Two men enter, one man leaves.

And the man who leaves will not be the same one who entered, when the contest is all over.

For those slower on the uptake, these are the Good Old Days.
Ahead lies a terrible struggle, endarkenment, and horrors better left unimagined.
Talking about them now would bring skepticism; describing them in the moment would show the poverty of mere words to contain them, and be wholly gratuitous at that point.

Steel your hearts now to what's coming. Savor the sights and sounds and smells of what is and what was in your lifetime, that some among you may someday convey them to generations unmarked by what is to transpire, that they might by some means restore and someday surpass the things which daily become but fond memories.

Get your grieving out of the way now. There'll be no time nor place for it in coming days, and afterwards, the weight and enormity of what you'll know would slay an elephant. Learn this lesson from history: there are no end of letters and books and stories and movies about the Second World War, terrible as it was. But of the great European slaughterhouse that was the First World War, scarcely a generation earlier, there is comparative silence. Hundreds of thousands of corpses filled a mile-wide No-Man's Land from the North Sea to the Alps, and the corpses were trodden and shelled and chewed up by rats for four long and horrible years. The scars mark that continent to the present day, a century later. Much of that generation was completely erased, crippling those countries even now, and hastening the demise of that continent under the relentless tide of demography.

For most of my lifetime, we rejoiced that our Civil War was a century earlier, and the whole of the continent itself entirely unscathed by either world war. And we were right to do so.

But that is about to change. Anywhere from a week to a generation from now, the relentless drumbeat of idiocy that cannot abide free men going about their days, and must control every waking moment, every word that escapes their lips, every thought that flits through their minds, and ultimately, every beating of their lifeblood, will be satiated with nothing less that victory, or a bayonet to the heart.

They think they want the conflict they would foment.

And they've abandoned any moorings of reason, logic, self-interest, or common sense, and any boundaries of decent or morally-bounded behavior to accomplish their nightmare of ultimate total control of all, by their chosen few, whom they assure us are oh-so-very-much-smarter than we Deplorables.

They are going to have to be not just beaten back, but utterly destroyed. All memory of them wiped from human reckoning. Not just their army destroyed, but their women killed, and their babies' heads smashed on rocks, and all those who cheered them on eliminated to the last man. Their livestock slaughtered, their temples of error pulled down until one stone lies not upon another, and their fields sown with salt, that nothing will ever grow there again. Like Carthage after the Third Punic War, which policy ensured for all time that there never came a Fourth Punic War.

And their calling cards are the same ones throughout history.
They want to shut you up.
They want to disarm you.
And then, free of your arguments and your arms, they want to kill you.

That's why they now openly proclaim the outright plan to strip the clear acknowledgements of the First and Second Amendments, and muse before God and everybody how joyful and pleasant it would be to come and round you up, and kill you.

Take such thoughts and such people exactly at their word.
Some historically-minded wonder what it would have been like if only someone had strangled Hitler in his crib. It would never happen, for the same reasons you aren't doing it now. You have half a Congress full of would-be führers, gruppenführers, and gauleiters, openly telling you what they want, and will do given the slightest chance, and yet nobody's fired so much as a single shot. And likely, nobody will. They wait until the columns march into whatever suffices for Poland these days before they'll recognize they let things go too far, and only pay attention too late. Pray the response is not too little.

The Jews who said "Never again!" got it wrong.
The truth of human history is "Again and again."

To believe otherwise is but delusional wishful thinking.
It's a warm and comforting psychosis much like end-stage hypothermia: one just nods off, and enters oblivion.

Life is struggle. Sometimes less, sometimes more. We who have known little struggle are about to get all too familiar with more. Life forms unequal to that struggle are culled mercilessly and pitilessly from existence.

Many of us try to stockpile needful things. Some of us limber up. Many pine and itch for the trumpet to finally sound, before time and infirmity render them unequal for the tasks they could compass in their younger days. Those too young to know what's to come chafe at that ignorance, wishing now they were in it, not knowing that when they are "in it" they would wish themselves at home in their beds, or anywhere else but where they shall be, if only wishing made it so.



Stock your larders. Sharpen your weapons. Fortify your walls. And gather your friends.
The hard-hearted ones. The ones who can deal with adversity. The ones who can laugh in the darkest days, and push on through the darkest nights.

Crybabies and mama's boys may die as well as any other, but they waste resources, and bring nothing of value.

What's going to come, eventually, is going to be a problem for two types of people:
Those who have no idea of what's coming.
And those who do.

Posted by Aesop at 9:45 PM
Labels: Coming Attractions, preparedness
 

sunny225

Membership Revoked
What a terrible time is coming on this country that was once a light shining on a hill top.
I cry for that once great country. And all those who will die in the coming war.
 

Countrybumpkin

Veteran Member
I agree with assessment that we will be like Poland-waiting too late to do anything. We haven't really done anything yet towards those who seek to destroy our way of life.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
thank you for the OP Chuck

that we're in the end-times has been the opinion of a great many of us here and elsewhere. those thoughts and what's happening are not confined to those of us here in CONUS but are GLOBAL in nature. the ultimate battle of GOOD v EVIL is on the horizon. I'm recalling a program (I believe it was Rick Wiles and TRUNEWS) where the coming conflict in this country was described as being (among other things too horrible to contemplate) literally words to the effect of "human butchery in the streets" that's clearly reminiscent of what the great tribulation would include.

this snippet:
They are going to have to be not just beaten back, but utterly destroyed. All memory of them wiped from human reckoning. Not just their army destroyed, but their women killed, and their babies' heads smashed on rocks, and all those who cheered them on eliminated to the last man.

begs the question is that the beginning of the promised 1000 years of peace?

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. REV 20: 1-3 (KJV)

and is not this suggestive of what the LORD commanded the children of Israel do with all the "ites" occupying the promised land they were given?:

Not just their army destroyed, but their women killed, and their babies' heads smashed on rocks, and all those who cheered them on eliminated to the last man. Their livestock slaughtered, their temples of error pulled down until one stone lies not upon another, and their fields sown with salt, that nothing will ever grow there again.

interesting indeed . . .
 

Squib

Veteran Member
For those who think this is the last days, who knows...only God.

But many likely thought that throughout history. I simply pray that me and mine are right with the Almighty and then do whatever needs doing when the time comes.

I wish you all well and may the blessings of the Most High be upon you all here (and all men of good will) in the coming days.

I’ve done what I can and will continue to. I just ask that the Lord’s will be done and that He grants me the strength to endure and that when I die, it’ll be fighting the evil with a righteous and holy fury.

Amen
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Good article ND.

Instead of crying for what we once were, it is time to fight against what we don't want to become.
Crying doesn't help when it's time to kill.

As far as it being the end times,,,, that is true only for those too weak to do what must be done to survive.
 

jward

passin' thru
I find this a well crafted and effective rallying call.

I understand as well as possible, without having had to live it, what it's like for the sights, sounds and smells of war to become the new normal. I know that within living memory people have chosen cannibalism, even of their own children, as a means to survival.

I know civil war is a real possibility. That in my life time all these nightmares, and more, may come to my land. My country. If they don't it won't be for a lack of the many factions trying.

My own heart, my own hands, may yet play their part. I don't know.

What i do know, though, is that tossing stones into the water is not an innocent pass-the-time. One must be mindful of those ripples created, and will be held responsible for them.
Best then to tune out all these competing forces and their drum pounding and string tugging, and take one's self, instead, to that quiet sacred space, and listen to yourself.

Some blood stains wash off the hands, and some stain the soul.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Good article ND.

Instead of crying for what we once were, it is time to fight against what we don't want to become.
Crying doesn't help when it's time to kill.

As far as it being the end times,,,, that is true only for those too weak to do what must be done to survive.
That's an interesting final response there. If a man is too weak to acknowledge God, he is sure to die, that's for sure. Yet, if a man accepts God, and fights in the name of God as an American citizen defending his God given rights and nation, tooth and nail, he still may die. Yet he has the assurance of the hereafter.

I use the Prophetic signs, Israel becoming a nation in 1948 set the clock ticking to the time period of one generation, 2018-2028. We are at the end of the age. I suspect next year 2020, all will understand what is on the horizon, perfect sight for all in 2020. I pray to fight the Good Fight, and pray to be alive to see Jesus come in the clouds....but if I die first, that will be ok too.

The internet if full of information on this topic, yet Ragnaroks expose is top of the list in regards at "what appears" to be accurate. It's all coming together, and few realize how late it is....time to be a Watchman on that wall. All we need is a wall, hehehe.
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
They are going to have to be not just beaten back, but utterly destroyed. All memory of them wiped from human reckoning. Not just their army destroyed, but their women killed, and their babies' heads smashed on rocks, and all those who cheered them on eliminated to the last man. Their livestock slaughtered, their temples of error pulled down until one stone lies not upon another, and their fields sown with salt, that nothing will ever grow there again. Like Carthage after the Third Punic War, which policy ensured for all time that there never came a Fourth Punic War.

I thought that Aesop was strongly opposed to infanticide.

Does that only apply to infanticide within one's own tribe? Is it just fine and dandy to murder infants by smashing their heads on rocks just as long as those children are from an opposing tribe?

What a hypocrite Aesop is showing himself to be!!

And those who agree with him, but oppose abortion, just how do they reconcile this in their hearts and minds?
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
...Because to actually win the war and never have to fight that enemy again,.....

YOU MUST KILL THEM ALL.

Yes, we've seen this -- the English killing/starving Boer (Dutch) women and children in the world's first concentration camps, in South Africa.

Well, good to know there's no real morality going on here at TB2K, just rooting for one's own side in the conflict.

Hypocrites all!
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Hey, zero sum ALWAYS sux.

Trick is to never force things that far to begin with … too late now, tho.

Break out your Google and look up chankiri tree.... AND NOTE WHO WAS USING THEM. Hint - it wasn't TB2Kers.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I thought that Aesop was strongly opposed to infanticide.

Does that only apply to infanticide within one's own tribe? Is it just fine and dandy to murder infants by smashing their heads on rocks just as long as those children are from an opposing tribe?

What a hypocrite Aesop is showing himself to be!!

And those who agree with him, but oppose abortion, just how do they reconcile this in their hearts and minds?


Aesop is no hypocrite. Aesop is discussing WAR - not infanticide through abortion. and when this WAR comes there will be no GENEVA CONVENTION. go back and read your old testament - ever wonder WHY the LORD command the children of Israel to utterly destroy EVERYTHING there when they took possession of the promised land? the EVERY man, woman, child, beast kind of everything ? look carefully at that and ALL the circumstances surrounding that situation - and I believe you'll see the logic in Aesop's position. IMHO I believe we'll be facing a similar situation here.

should the unfortunate situation arise in a time of WAR, although I won't be happy about it I personally will have to reconcile it with the then existing situation; if things go as most here agree they WILL I doubt that after a bit, it will be a problem.

as for the issue of "TRIBE" - in the most respectful fashion possible, I suggest that its better to reconcile YOUR position in YOUR tribe before the unhappiness arrives. if they are moving to the NW it probably won't a good idea for you to begin jogging to the SE.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
<i>Hypocrites all!</i>

May the chains of your present morality rest lightly on your future reality.


Your moral values are nice if they don't get you killed.


This is one of the many Cambodian killing fields. It is what the radical leftists here in the good old safe USA plan for all those who would want to be free.
It seems as if in the last year or so they have gotten the green light to go ahead.


Sometimes you have to be brave enough to make a choice. Either they get planted in these fields or you and your family and friends wind up here.
Sometimes the only way to stop someone who wants to kill you is to kill them first.
The future will not belong to those too slow to make up their mind about what side they are on.
Sometimes peace is not an option.



https://www.whereverwithyou.com/journey-to-the-killing-fields/


Journey to the Killing Fields

April 8, 2013 by Kat & Kyle 2 Comments
Mass graves at the Killing Field of Cheoung Ek. An estimated 17,000 victims were executed on this field and buried here in mass graves.

This post contains graphic images and information about the Cambodian Genocide carried out by the Khmer Rouge in the 1970’s. As hard as it was to experience, write about, or read, we felt it was an important journey for us to make during our time in Cambodia. We feel it is a worthwhile one to share with our readers as well.
“To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss.” ~ one of the mottos of the Khmer Rouge
After seizing power of Cambodia in April 1975, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge sought to create a purely agrarian-based Communist Society. It forced over 2 millions citizens from the cities onto collective farms to take up work farming in order to produce enough food to become a self-sustaining country. Possessions and money were banned, books were burned, hospitals and schools were destroyed. Families were broken up. Children and parents were separated. And the government controlled every aspect of their lives: where you lived, who you spoke to, what you worked on.
They were given unrealistic demands to triple the amount of rice produced on these farms. And, being inexperienced in agriculture as many of these people were, it couldn’t happen. More than a million people died, either from starvation or from lack of medical treatment.
Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge regime then set out to eliminate anyone suspected of capitalistic behavior, intellectuals, city dwellers, those with foreign ties, and just about anyone with an education.
In 1976, the Khmer Rouge founded a secret torture prison in an old high school on the outskirts of Phnom Penh. They named it S-21 and over the next three years they would torture and interrogate over 17,000 people here. Then they would load these people onto trucks under the cover of night and drive them to a secret compound at Cheoung Ek, about 15 km out of town. They would tell them they were being relocated to a new house so that any attempts at escape or scenes of screaming along the road could be avoided. But, once they arrived, they were carefully checked off the list (many even had to sign their own names – not realizing they were signing their own death warrant), and then systematically murdered and dumped into mass graves. At the height of this genocide, more than 300 people a day were brought to Choeung Ek and executed. Choeung Ek was only one of countless killing fields throughout Cambodia. It is estimated that there are over 20,000 mass graves throughout the country.
Bullets were too costly, so the executioners used whatever creative means they could find, often using farming tools or the serrated edges of sugar palm fronds. Most were killed by a blow to the neck or head before being dumped into mass graves. But, in order to insure that all were dead, as well as to disguise the smell so that the neighbors wouldn’t suspect what was going on here, they then poured DDT over the bodies.
By 1979, when the Vietnamese army liberated Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge, over 17,000 people had been tortured at S-21 and then executed and buried at the Killing Field at Choeung Ek. Nationwide, almost 2 million people were murdered and buried in similar mass graves. Men & women, old & young, nobody was safe from the Khmer Rouge.
We started off our journey as so many of these victims did; with a visit to S-21. Formerly a high school on the edge of Phnom Penh, from the outside it still looks like one, with large classroom buildings around a central courtyard. But inside are dark secrets and to walk the hallways and enter the classrooms is to take a journey through horror.
The Khmer Rouge kept detailed records and photographed everything they did, in order to prove to their party leaders that orders were carried out. From photos of the victims, both before, during, and after interrogations, to the interrogation rooms and prison cells, much is left just as it was found by the Vietnamese in 1979.
We traveled the same hallways and staircases as these victims, as we explored the classrooms turned into torturous interrogation rooms, the cells built out of brick or wood, where these people were chained together as they awaited death, and the rooms where the Khmer Rouge meticulously recorded and stored records of everything that happened here, and everyone who passed this way.
We read stories of families who were split up and stories of children and teenagers who were forced to serve in the Khmer Rouge and perpetrate so many of the horrors that the party leaders cooked up. And we read the stories of the party leaders who are currently on trial for their crimes against humanity.
As we traveled from room to room, viewing hundreds and thousands of photographs, we grew emotionally weary, but we couldn’t stop looking. Who are we to deny these people their right to be remembered and acknowledged for the horrors they witnessed and the inhumanities they suffered? And so we continued to look into the faces, so many with pain, but so many others with a calmness & humanity about them.
I think we will be forever haunted by those photographs. Here is a very small sampling of the ones we saw today. Click on any image to view it larger.
From S-21, we headed out of town to the Killing Field at Choeung Ek.
The first thing you notice when you arrive is how peaceful it is here, a former orchard in a rural area 15 km outside Phnom Penh. As you enter the grounds, the beautiful Memorial Stupa catches your eye, soaring high over the lawns. But as you step closer, you realize that the sides of the stupa are made up of windows, and that it is full of skulls. A sign next to the door says, “Would you please kindly show your respect to many million people who were killed under the genocidal Pol Pot regime.” This is when it fully hits you where you are and what actually happened here.
As a visitor to this place, you are invited to travel the same path as the victims, starting off with the spot where the truck would pull up, and where the prisoners would be checked off a list before being led to their death. Commentary from former Khmer Rouge soldiers and biographers make the story of this place come to life.
From the drop off point and the site of the detention center, you are led further into the compound. We got our first glimpse of the killing fields. Many of the graves here have been excavated, and those graves are surrounded by low bamboo fences and covered with roofs. But many graves have been left untouched, and the fields are dotted with them. Deep impressions in the ground surrounded by higher bits of land. As the bodies decomposed within these graves, the earth sank. We spotted several bones and a set of teeth in one of the graves. The graves are so shallow that remains often are exposed after heavy rains. Several times a year, caretakers collect these remains, along with the remains of clothing, and carefully store them, allowing these victims to rest in peace. The first excavated grave we came across contained 160 bodies. But as we moved further back into the fields, the graves got larger. One contained the remains of 450 people. Another contained over 100 headless bodies…the remains of former Khmer Rouge soldiers who were executed by the Khmer Rouge for treason (which was usually unfounded).
But the most horrific grave was one that contained the remains of only women and children. Mothers and babies executed together. The mothers executed by blows to the head. But the babies and children executed by being beaten against a tree next to the grave, The Chankiri (or Killing) tree. It was the policy of the Khmer Rouge to execute all members of a family, including children, so nobody was left to return and seek revenge. The tree was covered in colorful bracelets ~ tributes from the many visitors to this place.
As we were leaving this grave, it began to rain. Mother Nature matching our mood. Our time here at the Killing Fields was done.
Here are photos from our time at Tuol Sleng Prison in Phnom Penh and at the Killing Field at Choeung Ek.

The Prisoner’s Rules of Interrogation at S-21. During the Khmer Rouge regime, more than 17,000 people were imprisoned, interrogated, and tortured here, before being sent to the Killing Fields to be executed.

The Khmer Rouge kept detailed records and photographs. Hanging on the wall of this old classroom is a graphic photograph of a prisoner who was tortured in this very room on this very bed, most likely until he either confessed or died.

One of the interrogation rooms at Tuol Sleng (S-21) prison. In these rooms, victims were brutally tortured until they confessed to whatever their interrogators wanted them to confess to. The man sitting at the desk asked all the questions and kept a detailed account of what was done and said during an interrogation, complete with photos. Reading those accounts today is truly disturbing.

Entrance to the prison cell building, a former classroom building wrapped in barbed wire. Here, prisoners were housed in small brick or wooden cells while waiting for their interrogations or execution. Barbed wire was used to prevent escape and also to prevent any prisoners from committing suicide by jumping off the higher floors.

Prison Cells at Tuol Sleng (S-21) Prison in Phnom Penh. Prisoners were kept in these tiny cells, chained together by their ankles, while they awaited interrogation or execution.

Looking down the row of classrooms turned into mass cells. The Khmer Rouge cut out doorways in the walls separating the rooms to make it easier to patrol them. At the far end you can see a bit of green on the wall ~ a chalkboard, left over from the days when this was still a school.


Shrine to victims of Tuol Sleng prison in one of the former classrooms. This room contains the remains of many victims who were executed by the Khmer Rouge after being imprisoned and interrogated here. People still visit this altar to pray for those who lost their lives and to make offerings to the dead.

In 1979, as Vietnamese troops were on their way to liberate Tuol Sleng Prison from the Khmer Rouge, there were 21 prisoners at the prison. To cover their horrific secrets of torture, the Khmer Rouge executed 14 of them on the spot. Their remains are buried here in remembrance of what happened. It is a hauntingly beautiful spot, very quiet and serene. We sat here for a while and watched many others stop to make an offering or say a prayer.

Memorial Stupa at Choeung Ek, containing the skulls of victims displayed on 17 different levels. Combining both Buddhist and Hindu imagery, it is a sacred memorial to the more than 17,000 people who were executed here.

View of remains in the memorial Stupa at Choeung Ek.

Remains and a tribute in the Memorial Stupa at Choeung Ek.

The memorial Stupa at Choeung Ek contains remains of many of the victims, sorted by gender & age, and displayed in 17 different levels of a glass tower. To walk in here is haunting.

Skulls of some of the victims of the Killing Field at Choeung Ek. In order to save bullets, most victims were executed with a blow to the head or neck before being dumped into mass graves. Many of the skulls still show the signs of this fatal blow.

The razor sharp edges of a sugar palm frond were often used to slit the throats of victims at Choeung Ek. This was a cheap and quick way to keep them from screaming and to murder them before dumping their bodies into mass graves.

Skeletal remains in one of the mass graves at Choeung Ek. Many of the mass graves here have been left undisturbed, but bones & clothing often are uncovered after heavy rains. These remains are collected and lovingly stored here, at the final resting place of so many.

Bracelets on one of the walls surrounding an excavated grave. Visitors leave these bracelets as tribute and remembrance for the people who lost their lives here. Over 450 people were discovered in this grave alone.

A Chankiri (or Killing) Tree at Cheoung Ek. Executioners beat small children and babies against this tree before tossing them into the mass graves with their mothers. This tree at Choeung Ek is covered with brightly colored bracelet tributes in remembrance of all the children who lost their lives here.

An unexcavated mass grave covered in brightly colored ribbons as tribute to the dead.

A Spirit House at Choeung Ek provides a shelter for the spirits of those who lost their lives her
 

jward

passin' thru
I thought that Aesop was strongly opposed to infanticide.

Does that only apply to infanticide within one's own tribe? Is it just fine and dandy to murder infants by smashing their heads on rocks just as long as those children are from an opposing tribe?

What a hypocrite Aesop is showing himself to be!!

And those who agree with him, but oppose abortion, just how do they reconcile this in their hearts and minds?

I assume part of his job description was not only inflame the reader and rally them into the willin to be killin zone, but to dehumanize as many of those other groups as possible, so we can feel all warm and fuzzy and ever so virtuous while contemplating turning infants into busted lifeless flesh.

Don't misunderstand. I am not against killing. Most of the small group of people whom i respect have done quite a bit of it.
Nor am i against killing children. Were we living in a different place and time I'm confident I could, and would, make those decisions and carry out those actions. But it wouldn't be mistaken for some masturbatory fantasy in which there was any pleasure involved in handling a weapon in order to make things explode in pink mists.

I'll beat my own drum yet again. This type of war, more than most, will call upon people to be autonomous actors. I assume there's general agreement that its serious business. As such, it deserves the best you can bring to it. Don't allow yourself to be swept up in the monkey madness, Don't let yourself be the tool the puppet masters wield to bludgeon us all into dispirited docile slaves.

Go to your sacred space, wrestle with whomever you find within, and don't emerge until you know what's worth killing, and dying, for.

If you come out thinking dashing infants to death is a good and necessary thing, that is wonderful, and I'll respect that. I have exited the sanctum with a different POV however, and i guess in this brave new world the overseers are trying to birth into being, we will be on opposite sides.

As usual, too many meat world interruptions leave me off in the weeds... What I'd hoped to ask about was what we envision replacing the power structure, once all this noble and necessary killing is completed. New boss, same as the old boss? No offense, but oh HELL no. Not good enough. What else have you got!?
 
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Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As usual, too many meat world interruptions leave me off in the weeds... What id hoped to ask about was what we envision replacing the power structure, once all this noble and necessary killing is completed. New boss, same as the old boss? No offense, but oh HELL no. Not good enough. What else have you got!?

Yeah, that's one big problem. A leader will emerge, someone said. Well, a leader always emerges, eventually, but will that leader be worth killing your civilization for? I ask myself the same question. Who will emerge as the leader? Will we end up out of the frying pan and into the fire?
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
I thought that Aesop was strongly opposed to infanticide.

Does that only apply to infanticide within one's own tribe? Is it just fine and dandy to murder infants by smashing their heads on rocks just as long as those children are from an opposing tribe?

What a hypocrite Aesop is showing himself to be!!

And those who agree with him, but oppose abortion, just how do they reconcile this in their hearts and minds?

If you leave any alive, they will seek vengeance. This includes infants. People who have experience in war say that it's hell.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
The BIBLICAL INSTRUCTIONS were to kill them ALL REGARDLESS OF AGE.

Yep. Are you saying, however, that that same God has instructed us to do the same here and now?

Btw, I wish I had to funds to acquire a few modern devices for these times:

1. quiet electric drone with remote camera to provide prior intelligence locally.

2. A means to disable such drones not of my own possession seen flying over my neighborhood

3. Night vision and also heat detection vision.

At least then I would think I might have a chance at a level playing field.

Barring those tools, having only firearms will not give me an equal chance against likely opponents.

Best strategy then is to stay hidden until opportunity arises to deal with them at your own advantage and not theirs.

Meanwhile, I will certainly not assume children or women are fair game unless discovered actually engaging in combat.

Detention if appropriate, yes. Killing, no.
 

jward

passin' thru
The BIBLICAL INSTRUCTIONS were to kill them ALL REGARDLESS OF AGE.

And indeed our histories show that we kill them all, except for some of the women and children, whom are given the honor of being f&%&ED to death, and we poison the wells, salt the earth, slaughter their livestock and turn their land into fifty shades of smoldering grey ruin.

Time for an evolutionary leap, friends. That's just not good enough, and if it is really the best we can muster, then thanks, but no thanks. Let it burn. Let it die. Let it darken again. . . all in the ignorant opinion of an uneducated slip of a woman who keeps forgetting to mind her manners, know her place and bow down to her betters.
 
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Luddite

Veteran Member
jward

IMO, You speak truth. So did TK and Doz especially referencing the "killing tree".

ONLY one side is on offense. Clearly forces are at play to foment the coming troubles.

I hope the side on defense continues to hold that restraint with long-suffering Faith that all will work out without two-way violence.

The descriptive terms used by Aesop should make us shudder. The killing tree shows tangible prima facie evidence what they will do to our children.

I'll not disarm, I'll not allow mine to be loaded into a figurative or literal train-car headed to a furnace or a killing tree.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Jed,

"Detention if appropriate, yes. Killing, no."

If you are having trouble feeding YOUR family, does it seem appropriate that the future you would logically feed prisoners?

I have no answers. I have no suggestions except to be very careful making future judgments on the future you...
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Jed,

"Detention if appropriate, yes. Killing, no."

If you are having trouble feeding YOUR family, does it seem appropriate that the future you would logically feed prisoners?

I have no answers. I have no suggestions except to be very careful making future judgments on the future you...

Until I see them attacking, I will not kill.
As for prisoners being detained, in the old days that meant you had some slaves at your disposal until you figured out how to get them out of your hair.
 

sunny225

Membership Revoked
All of our musings sound so.... civilized. I've got a feeling that we don't know a thing about what is coming. We just think we do.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
there are a great many thoughts and opinions expressed here - none of which are very happy, all of which have the ring of truth and that despite the fact that they come from divergent points of view. interesting.

one thing I think we can agree on with near 100% certainty is this:

should a certain relatively small number of (allegedly) human beings be removed from the positions of power and influence they hold over the entirety of humanity existing on this stone be removed - ALL OF US - would likely live reasonably peacefully together for the entirety of our natural existences

to that concept I say
let the purge begin
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Good time to reboot this -
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/SNIP/
I said, “You have the bearing of a military man… am I correct?”

“Yes, Sir… 22 years in the Marine Corps.” I thanked him for his service, something I always do when I encounter a member of our armed services. My standard line is, “Thank you for your service. I think you should hear that every damned day for the rest of your life, and your first beer should be free anywhere you go.”

So we are chatting on the drive, and the story on the radio is Eric Holder being held in contempt of Congress over the Fast and Furious fiasco. I said, “Can you believe that shit? This asshole intentionally sends guns to Mexican drug gangs that will no doubt end up killing thousands of people, and then he lies and stonewalls the Congress? How is this deceitful douchebag not in shackles and an orange jumpsuit? And more to the point, how does someone like this ever ascend to the office of Attorney General?”

“He’s part of the Clinton machine… he knows low people in high places. He came up under Janet Reno… you know who that is, right?”

“Oh, yes, I know… the crazy dyke that gave the order to burn down the Branch Davidians in Waco. But what I don’t get is how they ever thought they could pull this shit off… people aren’t THAT stupid. If you say you are tracking guns, although you have no actual means of tracking the guns, that makes you look both dishonest AND moronic, and your cover story doesn’t make any sense. This didn’t have anything to do with illegal gun sales… any idiot can see that. So what was the REAL plan here?”
Mr. Wheeler says, “Have you ever heard of Occam’s Razor?”

I said, “Yeah, I know it… the most obvious answer is almost always correct… but I don’t think we need an instrument that sharp. I think Occam’s Rubber Spatula would seem to indicate that this is a push to vilify guns and gun owners here in America, as a pretense to drive stricter gun control. Obama was just on TV not too long ago with the President of Mexico, saying that American guns were responsible for the violence in Mexico, and now American weapons are showing up at crime scenes. It seems to me that an organization with the money and resources of an international drug cartel certainly knows where to pick up weapons, even if all American sources dried up completely. I assume they could go south of the border to Central America and get all the M4’s and AK’s they want… most likely full-auto… am I correct?”
Mr Wheeler replied, “There is certainly no shortage of guns and corruption in Central America. If you have the means to smuggle a ton of cocaine, you can probably smuggle a ton of guns, too. But this was easier… the Justice Department and the ATF made the contacts and set up the networks, told the gun shops to cooperate, so all the Mexicans had to do was send in a straw buyer, make the purchase, and move the weapons south of the border.”

I said, “These people aren’t very smart… there are something like 300 million guns in America, and they have a robust shelf life. Even if all gun manufacturing stopped tomorrow, there would still be an abundance of guns in America for decades. The only way to disarm Americans is mass confiscation, and I feel pretty certain that would spark a civil war. I know several gun owners that would rather fight than give up their guns.”

Mr. Wheeler said, “Oh, I know dozens… perhaps hundreds that feel the same way. I really don’t think confiscation is something you need to worry about, because it will never work. There are simply too many of them, and too many people have guns that there is no record of. A confiscation program would only piss off the most dangerous people in America… the people who would shoot back. You are correct, a mass confiscation would provoke a civil war.”

I said, “Well, you are a military man… what would that look like?”

Wheeler said, “Well, it wouldn’t look like the first Civil War… no lines of men standing in ranks and shooting across a field at each other, no “North and South” or sharply defined state lines for friendly and enemy territories, at least, not in the beginning. No, it would look more like Iraq or Afghanistan, with house to house fighting, IED’s, snipers, small factions and independent militias operating on their own, refugees streaming away from battle zones in all directions…”

“But the first question to ask is who would the combatants be? I mean, the Army isn’t going to just roll out onto the street in tanks on day one, so my guess is that it would start out as a police action, with Federal agencies like ATF and FBI taking the lead, supported by local law enforcement. But once people start shooting back, they would have to ratchet things up, do things like institute curfews and roadblocks, and they would eventually try to press the various state Guard units into service. That’s where it all goes squirrelly, because both local law enforcement and the Guard will be riddled with people who support gun rights, regardless of what laws the politicians pass, and they won’t be crazy about having to police, and maybe even fight against, their own people. The Governors may well object to the state Guard units being activated and may not wish to cooperate…”

“And it is not clear to me how many LEO and Guardsmen would remain loyal to the government and how many would join the “rebellion”. My guess is that both sides would be riddled with defections, informants, and spies. But what if, say, the Gulf states like Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida secede, and they take control of all military bases and equipment, and you suddenly have gone from an insurgency with rifles to a breakaway nation, or maybe several breakaway nations, armed with fighter jets, drones, tanks, and a navy? Whoo, buddy… now all bets are off… kiss posse comitatus goodbye. This would be the ugliest thing this country has ever seen…”

I asked him several “what if” questions and let him riff on them… I just let him talk and wargame out the Second Civil War, there in the back seat of my car as we drove to the airport, and he painted a picture of horrific death and destruction. Once this conflict started, even the best-case scenarios he described sounded truly grim. He seemed to believe that civilian casualties would be extremely high, given how much fighting would centered in and around large cities, and that food would be used as a weapon, causing famine and starvation on a terrifying scale. Booby traps, IED’s, rampant bombings, drone strikes, snipers, local-level assassinations, mortars and shelling, death squads (both government and rebel), reprisal killings, torture… it sounded more like the Middle East than middle America.

Wheeler got quiet for a few moments, and then he said something that I will never, ever forget.

“These people are playing with matches… I don’t think they understand the scope and scale of the wildfire they are flirting with. They are ****ing around with a civil war that could last a decade and cause millions of deaths… and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon… simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the ****ing head.”

And lemme tell ya, he had the list… he rattled off 25 or 30 names of well-known, prominent politicians, mostly Democrats, but a few Republicans, several members of the current Cabinet, a couple of Obama’s “czars”, a couple of figures from the Bush administration and the Republican establishment, several media company executives and on-camera newscasters, reporters, and pundits, a couple of people who are active in leftist politics but not in elected office… he had obviously thought about this to some degree already.

I was struck by his cold, detached, matter-of-fact tone. I said, “Dude… that’s more French Revolution than American Revolution. Do you really think that is the way to go?”

Wheeler said, “I believe in efficiency and economy of action. You wouldn’t trade one hundred of those criminal bastards for ten million of your fellow Americans?”
/SNIP/

RTWT at http://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
Good time to reboot this -
==================

/SNIP/
I said, “You have the bearing of a military man… am I correct?”

“Yes, Sir… 22 years in the Marine Corps.” I thanked him for his service, something I always do when I encounter a member of our armed services. My standard line is, “Thank you for your service. I think you should hear that every damned day for the rest of your life, and your first beer should be free anywhere you go.”

So we are chatting on the drive, and the story on the radio is Eric Holder being held in contempt of Congress over the Fast and Furious fiasco. I said, “Can you believe that shit? This asshole intentionally sends guns to Mexican drug gangs that will no doubt end up killing thousands of people, and then he lies and stonewalls the Congress? How is this deceitful douchebag not in shackles and an orange jumpsuit? And more to the point, how does someone like this ever ascend to the office of Attorney General?”

“He’s part of the Clinton machine… he knows low people in high places. He came up under Janet Reno… you know who that is, right?”

“Oh, yes, I know… the crazy dyke that gave the order to burn down the Branch Davidians in Waco. But what I don’t get is how they ever thought they could pull this shit off… people aren’t THAT stupid. If you say you are tracking guns, although you have no actual means of tracking the guns, that makes you look both dishonest AND moronic, and your cover story doesn’t make any sense. This didn’t have anything to do with illegal gun sales… any idiot can see that. So what was the REAL plan here?”
Mr. Wheeler says, “Have you ever heard of Occam’s Razor?”

I said, “Yeah, I know it… the most obvious answer is almost always correct… but I don’t think we need an instrument that sharp. I think Occam’s Rubber Spatula would seem to indicate that this is a push to vilify guns and gun owners here in America, as a pretense to drive stricter gun control. Obama was just on TV not too long ago with the President of Mexico, saying that American guns were responsible for the violence in Mexico, and now American weapons are showing up at crime scenes. It seems to me that an organization with the money and resources of an international drug cartel certainly knows where to pick up weapons, even if all American sources dried up completely. I assume they could go south of the border to Central America and get all the M4’s and AK’s they want… most likely full-auto… am I correct?”
Mr Wheeler replied, “There is certainly no shortage of guns and corruption in Central America. If you have the means to smuggle a ton of cocaine, you can probably smuggle a ton of guns, too. But this was easier… the Justice Department and the ATF made the contacts and set up the networks, told the gun shops to cooperate, so all the Mexicans had to do was send in a straw buyer, make the purchase, and move the weapons south of the border.”

I said, “These people aren’t very smart… there are something like 300 million guns in America, and they have a robust shelf life. Even if all gun manufacturing stopped tomorrow, there would still be an abundance of guns in America for decades. The only way to disarm Americans is mass confiscation, and I feel pretty certain that would spark a civil war. I know several gun owners that would rather fight than give up their guns.”

Mr. Wheeler said, “Oh, I know dozens… perhaps hundreds that feel the same way. I really don’t think confiscation is something you need to worry about, because it will never work. There are simply too many of them, and too many people have guns that there is no record of. A confiscation program would only piss off the most dangerous people in America… the people who would shoot back. You are correct, a mass confiscation would provoke a civil war.”

I said, “Well, you are a military man… what would that look like?”

Wheeler said, “Well, it wouldn’t look like the first Civil War… no lines of men standing in ranks and shooting across a field at each other, no “North and South” or sharply defined state lines for friendly and enemy territories, at least, not in the beginning. No, it would look more like Iraq or Afghanistan, with house to house fighting, IED’s, snipers, small factions and independent militias operating on their own, refugees streaming away from battle zones in all directions…”

“But the first question to ask is who would the combatants be? I mean, the Army isn’t going to just roll out onto the street in tanks on day one, so my guess is that it would start out as a police action, with Federal agencies like ATF and FBI taking the lead, supported by local law enforcement. But once people start shooting back, they would have to ratchet things up, do things like institute curfews and roadblocks, and they would eventually try to press the various state Guard units into service. That’s where it all goes squirrelly, because both local law enforcement and the Guard will be riddled with people who support gun rights, regardless of what laws the politicians pass, and they won’t be crazy about having to police, and maybe even fight against, their own people. The Governors may well object to the state Guard units being activated and may not wish to cooperate…”

“And it is not clear to me how many LEO and Guardsmen would remain loyal to the government and how many would join the “rebellion”. My guess is that both sides would be riddled with defections, informants, and spies. But what if, say, the Gulf states like Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida secede, and they take control of all military bases and equipment, and you suddenly have gone from an insurgency with rifles to a breakaway nation, or maybe several breakaway nations, armed with fighter jets, drones, tanks, and a navy? Whoo, buddy… now all bets are off… kiss posse comitatus goodbye. This would be the ugliest thing this country has ever seen…”

I asked him several “what if” questions and let him riff on them… I just let him talk and wargame out the Second Civil War, there in the back seat of my car as we drove to the airport, and he painted a picture of horrific death and destruction. Once this conflict started, even the best-case scenarios he described sounded truly grim. He seemed to believe that civilian casualties would be extremely high, given how much fighting would centered in and around large cities, and that food would be used as a weapon, causing famine and starvation on a terrifying scale. Booby traps, IED’s, rampant bombings, drone strikes, snipers, local-level assassinations, mortars and shelling, death squads (both government and rebel), reprisal killings, torture… it sounded more like the Middle East than middle America.

Wheeler got quiet for a few moments, and then he said something that I will never, ever forget.

“These people are playing with matches… I don’t think they understand the scope and scale of the wildfire they are flirting with. They are ****ing around with a civil war that could last a decade and cause millions of deaths… and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon… simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the ****ing head.”

And lemme tell ya, he had the list… he rattled off 25 or 30 names of well-known, prominent politicians, mostly Democrats, but a few Republicans, several members of the current Cabinet, a couple of Obama’s “czars”, a couple of figures from the Bush administration and the Republican establishment, several media company executives and on-camera newscasters, reporters, and pundits, a couple of people who are active in leftist politics but not in elected office… he had obviously thought about this to some degree already.

I was struck by his cold, detached, matter-of-fact tone. I said, “Dude… that’s more French Revolution than American Revolution. Do you really think that is the way to go?”

Wheeler said, “I believe in efficiency and economy of action. You wouldn’t trade one hundred of those criminal bastards for ten million of your fellow Americans?”
/SNIP/

RTWT at http://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193

This is a keeper. Thank you!
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
_______________
This has stuck with me since the first time I read it.


“These people are playing with matches… I don’t think they understand the scope and scale of the wildfire they are flirting with. They are ****ing around with a civil war that could last a decade and cause millions of deaths… and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon… simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the ****ing head.”
 

vestige

Deceased
This has stuck with me since the first time I read it.

It stuck with me the same way. I am a little on the weak side today and did not post or sign in until this thread comment.

They are ****ing around with a civil war that could last a decade and cause millions of deaths… and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon… simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the ****ing head.”

I sincerely believe we will see that in our lifetimes... even us older members. I also believe the result will be a sudden change of heart in the entire left wing community. I have no guarantee of that but it will have a hell of an impact on their future actions.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
It stuck with me the same way. I am a little on the weak side today and did not post or sign in until this thread comment.

They are ****ing around with a civil war that could last a decade and cause millions of deaths… and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon… simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the ****ing head.”

I sincerely believe we will see that in our lifetimes... even us older members. I also believe the result will be a sudden change of heart in the entire left wing community. I have no guarantee of that but it will have a hell of an impact on their future actions.

PLEASE LORD - that I may live to see that happy day. when these scum - MSM in particular - are strung up around the country and left to ROT in the sun. may the ravens and crows feast for MONTHS and may their bleached bones remain hanging on lamp posts, bridges and convenient trees for YEARS may people walk past and spit on their remains and when they finally fall to the ground may they then become convenient places for the pubic to relieve themselves
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Yes, necropost!!

Time to read these thoughts again.

PRIMARY NOTE: DO NOT hold your FUTURE self to your CURRENT moral framework UNLESS YOU HAVE washed the blood spatter of someone you have killed off your face or hands or other body surfaces.


Read the above and heed.

And begin to steel your hearts to this reality.

And look CLOSELY at the chakiri tree (spelled wrong, yep, deal).

And if you CAN then grok it in fullness if possible.
 
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