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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
We get paper ballots here in Ireland , and then put into a ballot box,
You turn up at the polling centre, with your ID and voting slip received in the post, you'll be given a paper ballot which you put in your preferential vote.
We use a PR-SVT , Proportional Representation - Single Transferable Vote


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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic

Ireland’s voting system: How does it work and how should I use it?​

PR-STV, or single transferable vote, is one of most flexible, subtle systems in the world​


Our single transferrable vote system of proportional representation – or PR-STV – is one of the most flexible and subtle systems anywhere in the world. It enables voters to support the candidate or party they like best, even if they have little or no chance of being elected, and then using their preferences to ensure that their vote moves on to a candidate with a real chance of making it to the Dáil. While it is not strictly proportional it is much fairer than the straight vote system in the UK or the US.

Should you vote all the way down the ballot paper?​

Yes. To maximise the impact of your vote it is best to give every candidate a preference. Give your first preference to the candidate you most want to see elected and then in descending order of preference down to the one you like least.

You don’t have to do this and can stop at whatever point you want and your vote will still be valid but to have maximum impact it is best to use all your preferences. The key thing to remember is that a lower preference can never interfere with a higher one. Your number two will only come into play if your first preference is eliminated or elected and so on.

So how does the system work?​

From a voter’s perspective STV is very simple. Just rank the candidates in order of your choice starting with 1. The counting of votes is a different matter and can appear very complicated to the uninitiated. The first thing to understand is that a quota is set for each constituency depending on the number of seats to be filled and the number of people who have voted. The quota is arrived at by dividing the number of valid votes by the number of seats plus one, and then adding one Ireland’s voting system: How does it work and how should I use it?

PR-STV, or single transferable vote, is one of most flexible, subtle systems in the world​



We have the Prstv system in Ireland. A complex system where the voter has more influence over candidates than almost any other country in Europe. But how exactly does it work? Hugh Linehan Reports

Our single transferrable vote system of proportional representation – or PR-STV – is one of the most flexible and subtle systems anywhere in the world. It enables voters to support the candidate or party they like best, even if they have little or no chance of being elected, and then using their preferences to ensure that their vote moves on to a candidate with a real chance of making it to the Dáil. While it is not strictly proportional it is much fairer than the straight vote system in the UK or the US.

Should you vote all the way down the ballot paper?​

Yes. To maximise the impact of your vote it is best to give every candidate a preference. Give your first preference to the candidate you most want to see elected and then in descending order of preference down to the one you like least.
You don’t have to do this and can stop at whatever point you want and your vote will still be valid but to have maximum impact it is best to use all your preferences. The key thing to remember is that a lower preference can never interfere with a higher one. Your number two will only come into play if your first preference is eliminated or elected and so on.

So how does the system work?​

From a voter’s perspective STV is very simple. Just rank the candidates in order of your choice starting with 1. The counting of votes is a different matter and can appear very complicated to the uninitiated. The first thing to understand is that a quota is set for each constituency depending on the number of seats to be filled and the number of people who have voted. The quota is arrived at by dividing the number of valid votes by the number of seats plus one, and then adding one to the resulting total.

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For instance if 40,000 votes are cast in a three-seat constituency the quota would be calculated by dividing the number of votes by four and then adding one making it 10,001. The formula means that no more than three people can reach the quota.

How do transfers work?​

After the first count when all the number ones have been counted the first thing to happen is that the surplus votes of a successful candidate who has exceeded the quota will be distributed. This is done by checking the second preferences on all the ballot papers of the candidate and distributing his or her number twos in proportion.

When all the first-count surpluses have been distributed the returning officer will then move on to eliminating the candidate with the lowest number of votes. The number twos will be counted and allocated to the other candidates. The next lowest will be eliminated and so on until there are only three candidates left for the three seats.

But where does a number four or five or even lower preference come in?​

As the counts progress a vote that was cast for a candidate eliminated early in the count will move on to the number two. If that candidate is eliminated in turn it will go on to number three and so on. If the candidate getting the number two is already elected or eliminated the vote will move on to the next available candidate still in the race.
There is a complication about distributing the surplus of a candidate elected after the first count with the help of transfers. Instead of counting all of the candidate’s votes to allocate the next available preference, only the last bundles of votes received are counted to see where the next preferences goes.

What is meant by tactical voting?​

One way of voting tactically is that by going all the way down the ballot paper you can support the candidate or party you want with high preferences while attempting to stop the ones you like least by putting them at the very end.
Another way of voting tactically is that where a party is running more than one candidate, committed supporters are advised to give the number one to the weakest candidate on the ticket to maximise the party’s chances of winning more than one seat. If the candidate is eliminated, the vote will not be wasted as the next preference will automatically be counted.

Are all the preferences on all ballot papers counted?​

No. At least half the ballot papers cast on Saturday will not be counted beyond the number one. If the number one goes to a candidate who is in contention for a seat but does not exceed the quota at any stage the second preference will not be counted. Many of the seats will be filled by candidates who fall just short of a quota on the final count. Even if a candidate exceeds the quota after the first count only a small proportion of the next preferences will be counted as part of a surplus.

What is a spoiled vote?​

A small proportion of votes are spoiled in every election because the voter has not clearly indicated a preference. This sometimes happens because a number 1 is given to more than one candidate. Often votes are spoiled on purpose with slogans written on the ballot paper by disgruntled voters.

Is the STV system or PR a uniquely Irish one?​

No. It was imposed on this country as part of the Home Rule Act in 1912 and later incorporated in the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 with the objective of protecting the unionist minority and ensuring they had representation in an Irish parliament. The system was later included in de Valera's 1937 constitution and two attempts to abolish it, in 1959 and 1966, were rejected by the electorate. The same system is used in Malta, the Australian senate and Northern Ireland Assembly.

 

EMICT

Veteran Member

Ireland’s voting system: How does it work and how should I use it?​

PR-STV, or single transferable vote, is one of most flexible, subtle systems in the world​


Our single transferrable vote system of proportional representation – or PR-STV – is one of the most flexible and subtle systems anywhere in the world. It enables voters to support the candidate or party they like best, even if they have little or no chance of being elected, and then using their preferences to ensure that their vote moves on to a candidate with a real chance of making it to the Dáil. While it is not strictly proportional it is much fairer than the straight vote system in the UK or the US.

Should you vote all the way down the ballot paper?​

Yes. To maximise the impact of your vote it is best to give every candidate a preference. Give your first preference to the candidate you most want to see elected and then in descending order of preference down to the one you like least.

You don’t have to do this and can stop at whatever point you want and your vote will still be valid but to have maximum impact it is best to use all your preferences. The key thing to remember is that a lower preference can never interfere with a higher one. Your number two will only come into play if your first preference is eliminated or elected and so on.

So how does the system work?​

From a voter’s perspective STV is very simple. Just rank the candidates in order of your choice starting with 1. The counting of votes is a different matter and can appear very complicated to the uninitiated. The first thing to understand is that a quota is set for each constituency depending on the number of seats to be filled and the number of people who have voted. The quota is arrived at by dividing the number of valid votes by the number of seats plus one, and then adding one Ireland’s voting system: How does it work and how should I use it?

PR-STV, or single transferable vote, is one of most flexible, subtle systems in the world​



We have the Prstv system in Ireland. A complex system where the voter has more influence over candidates than almost any other country in Europe. But how exactly does it work? Hugh Linehan Reports

Our single transferrable vote system of proportional representation – or PR-STV – is one of the most flexible and subtle systems anywhere in the world. It enables voters to support the candidate or party they like best, even if they have little or no chance of being elected, and then using their preferences to ensure that their vote moves on to a candidate with a real chance of making it to the Dáil. While it is not strictly proportional it is much fairer than the straight vote system in the UK or the US.

Should you vote all the way down the ballot paper?​

Yes. To maximise the impact of your vote it is best to give every candidate a preference. Give your first preference to the candidate you most want to see elected and then in descending order of preference down to the one you like least.
You don’t have to do this and can stop at whatever point you want and your vote will still be valid but to have maximum impact it is best to use all your preferences. The key thing to remember is that a lower preference can never interfere with a higher one. Your number two will only come into play if your first preference is eliminated or elected and so on.

So how does the system work?​

From a voter’s perspective STV is very simple. Just rank the candidates in order of your choice starting with 1. The counting of votes is a different matter and can appear very complicated to the uninitiated. The first thing to understand is that a quota is set for each constituency depending on the number of seats to be filled and the number of people who have voted. The quota is arrived at by dividing the number of valid votes by the number of seats plus one, and then adding one to the resulting total.

READ MORE

For instance if 40,000 votes are cast in a three-seat constituency the quota would be calculated by dividing the number of votes by four and then adding one making it 10,001. The formula means that no more than three people can reach the quota.

How do transfers work?​

After the first count when all the number ones have been counted the first thing to happen is that the surplus votes of a successful candidate who has exceeded the quota will be distributed. This is done by checking the second preferences on all the ballot papers of the candidate and distributing his or her number twos in proportion.

When all the first-count surpluses have been distributed the returning officer will then move on to eliminating the candidate with the lowest number of votes. The number twos will be counted and allocated to the other candidates. The next lowest will be eliminated and so on until there are only three candidates left for the three seats.

But where does a number four or five or even lower preference come in?​

As the counts progress a vote that was cast for a candidate eliminated early in the count will move on to the number two. If that candidate is eliminated in turn it will go on to number three and so on. If the candidate getting the number two is already elected or eliminated the vote will move on to the next available candidate still in the race.
There is a complication about distributing the surplus of a candidate elected after the first count with the help of transfers. Instead of counting all of the candidate’s votes to allocate the next available preference, only the last bundles of votes received are counted to see where the next preferences goes.

What is meant by tactical voting?​

One way of voting tactically is that by going all the way down the ballot paper you can support the candidate or party you want with high preferences while attempting to stop the ones you like least by putting them at the very end.
Another way of voting tactically is that where a party is running more than one candidate, committed supporters are advised to give the number one to the weakest candidate on the ticket to maximise the party’s chances of winning more than one seat. If the candidate is eliminated, the vote will not be wasted as the next preference will automatically be counted.

Are all the preferences on all ballot papers counted?​

No. At least half the ballot papers cast on Saturday will not be counted beyond the number one. If the number one goes to a candidate who is in contention for a seat but does not exceed the quota at any stage the second preference will not be counted. Many of the seats will be filled by candidates who fall just short of a quota on the final count. Even if a candidate exceeds the quota after the first count only a small proportion of the next preferences will be counted as part of a surplus.

What is a spoiled vote?​

A small proportion of votes are spoiled in every election because the voter has not clearly indicated a preference. This sometimes happens because a number 1 is given to more than one candidate. Often votes are spoiled on purpose with slogans written on the ballot paper by disgruntled voters.

Is the STV system or PR a uniquely Irish one?​

No. It was imposed on this country as part of the Home Rule Act in 1912 and later incorporated in the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 with the objective of protecting the unionist minority and ensuring they had representation in an Irish parliament. The system was later included in de Valera's 1937 constitution and two attempts to abolish it, in 1959 and 1966, were rejected by the electorate. The same system is used in Malta, the Australian senate and Northern Ireland Assembly.

I’m sorry, Ireland is no more important to US elections than is Iran’s or China’s. If it works for you with 1/10 the population… great.

If you have adopted our constitution and Republic form of government then it might apply when we were the original colonies per population.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A poll worker in all-important Maricopa County tells Election Day voters the machines are broken.
Quite an obvious cheat method. It isn't like this is a surprise election. We've known for months that there would be midterm elections on November 8, 2022. These machines should have been operating at peak performance before anyone went to bed last night. We've also had many on the left telling us that we won't know the results of the election for weeks. All things that make you go "Hummmmmm...."

Edited to add...Remember how we couldn't have voter ID for fear it would disenfranchise poor voters even though they needed some form of identification to get all the government freebies? This is disenfranchising to the max. You can't vote on voting day, even though you've followed all the rules because a machine that we're responsible for having and maintaining isn't working. Maybe it's just me but I have never heard of such widespread machine malfunctions on election day in my life.
 
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psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
BOMBSHELL REPORT: Records Now Purportedly Show Maricopa County Counted 19,000 LATE, INVALID BALLOTS IN THE 2020 ELECTION.. -Just The News

Plus 17,000 duplicate ballots

of course. Just enough to "squeak" by. what a coincidence.
View: https://twitter.com/WallsOther/status/1590049127202951169?s=20&t=3hzSBAHjjJUODOPY1TlSPQ
We can read all of the whining about it on Twitter for the entire day!….but WHAT will be done about this??
Anything???
Nothing, again!?
I’m in a MOOD today!

:mad:
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
I do. I wish it were that simple… minus the religious infighting you folks seem to concentrate on.

No religious infighting here, Ireland has been a Republic for 100 years,

up in Northern Ireland they use Catholic as a marker of Nationalist and Protestant as Loyalist but even then its not cut and dry because there are Nationalist Protestants and Loyalist Catholics.

Many of the heros of Irish Repulicanism were Protestant , Wolf Tone was Protestant and so was Sam Maguire.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
Be sure to check the wireless signal at your polling place - and if you can go back the next day to contrast and compare

Report anything suspicious to Tip Line | True the Vote

Obviously if it says “PollPad WiFi” then it’s connected to the internet. The people in charge of the machines claim this is so they can communicate with each other locally and not externally but if you can see the wireless then you can hack the wireless.
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
Looks like the dem efforts to steal the election is moving forward full tilt...

View: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1589988886658568192


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A poll worker in all-important Maricopa County tells Election Day voters the machines are broken.


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The poll worker says they have two machines, one is down and the other is spitting out 25% of ballots and their ballots will be taken somewhere else to get recorded. Reports of this coming in from all over Maricopa already this morning.


8:31 AM · Nov 8, 2022
Nope ,not doing this again !
If this stands,
I'm in , it's time !
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Maricopa County:

Voting location having “technical difficulties” with their printers, folks are being urged to visit other locations in order to cast their ballots.

“Might wanna go somewhere else guys, THEIR PRINTERS ARE ALL SCREWED UP”
RT 41secs
View: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1590017623370387457?s=20&t=yuetwjjCXTyclQNN8iZOfA
EXCELLENT! Now no one will get their vote in because you all screwed it up.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I’m sorry, Ireland is no more important to US elections than is Iran’s or China’s. If it works for you with 1/10 the population… great.

If you have adopted our constitution and Republic form of government then it might apply when we were the original colonies per population.
Ireland pretty much copied the older version of the US Constitution with a few changes - the Senate is still appointed (as it used to be in the US), the public votes on Constitutional amendments (we are small enough to do that) and The President is a figurehead, it is the Prime Minister who is the Head of Government (the President is the Head of State).

The one huge mistake (in my opinion) that was made was when the first Irish Constitution was adopted, there was intentionally no separation of Church and State. That has changed, but The State has been left with a legacy of paying millions if not eventually billions of dollars to people who were abused in State institutions that were run without oversight by the Catholic Church.

However, that is way off-topic for today, I honestly am not sure when Ireland brought in representational voting but it works pretty well most of the time. I think one or two US States are trying it for State Elections but I'm not sure.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Been screaming this since the summer, there were ZERO consequences from 2020, Nobody went to jail, nobody got charged, nobody got fined, why in the hell wouldn't they do it again?
My Pillow was set to expose it all August 2021. So was Giuliani when his hair dye started running down his face from screaming and sweating so hard. The issue screamers went into hiding and somehow nothing happened. I’m guessing this election is Part Deux of the next theft gone unanswered.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Ireland pretty much copied the older version of the US Constitution with a few changes - the Senate is still appointed (as it used to be in the US), the public votes on Constitutional amendments (we are small enough to do that) and The President is a figurehead, it is the Prime Minister who is the Head of Government (the President is the Head of State).

The one huge mistake (in my opinion) that was made was when the first Irish Constitution was adopted, there was intentionally no separation of Church and State. That has changed, but The State has been left with a legacy of paying millions if not eventually billions of dollars to people who were abused in State institutions that were run without oversight by the Catholic Church.

However, that is way off-topic for today, I honestly am not sure when Ireland brought in representational voting but it works pretty well most of the time. I think one or two US States are trying it for State Elections but I'm not sure.

1921 with the formation of the Irish Free State.

Yes with De Valera being an American and the influence of American Independence and the Founding Fathers on Irish Republicanism the Irish Constitution was based on the US one,
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Irregularities in NY


View: https://twitter.com/j3669/status/1590062166593671168

Malfunctioning voting machine trips up voting site for Albany, Colonie voters​


by Emma Quinn
Tuesday, November 8th 2022
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<p>Election day is off to a rough start after a voting system malfunction at an Albany County polling site that is not counting ballots. (WRGB)</p><p><br></p>

Election day is off to a rough start after a voting system malfunction at an Albany County polling site that is not counting ballots. (WRGB)

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ALBANY, NY (WRGB) — Election day is off to a rough start after a voting system malfunction at an Albany County polling site
What is unclear right now is when the machine started having issues but we know it’s not counting ballots.
Poll workers are on the phone with Board of Election officials to get the machine up and running again


If the problem continues, we're told that Board of Election officials will come to the site.
This site is for voters in districts 30 and 60 in Albany county affecting parts of Albany and Colonie.



We're told that voters can still cast a ballot here.
Democratic Commissioner Kathleen Donovan told me those ballots will be put in an emergency bin to be counted by non-partisan inspectors will then feed the ballots through a working machine.
We’ll continue to being you updates as they become available.
 
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Publius

TB Fanatic
I don't know how it works in other states but in Iowa you are REQUIRED to vote at your specific polling place. It was the same in Louisiana and Florida when I lived there. In Iowa if you go to the wrong polling place they don't have you on their list and will not let you vote, they will look up your proper polling location for you and direct you there though.


West Virginia has the same setup and moving the books is easy just need to put up a sign directing people to go to the other polling station.
 
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