EBOLA A Government That Advocates For The Removal Of Protections For The People!

[dstraito]

White House Presses States to Reconsider Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/nyregion/ebola-quarantine.html?_r=0






In other words,


Please don't make Americans safe by quarantining them away for other Americans. Our agenda is to infect as many people as possible and you are interfering with our plans.


Our goal is to have ebola in every state, to collapse the infrastructure and economy using the Cloward/Piven strategy driving infrastructure and management into chaos and anarchy.


We tried with overwhelming the country will illegal aliens, excessive taxes and regulations but that was not enough. We needed more.


We brought D68 Enterovirus into this country will all the people from Central America and have seen it spread to 44 states but it was not enough to bring about the collapse.


We purposely did not protect the borders because the more diseased people that come into this country illegally, the more gang members, the more juveniles that have to be taken care of, the more we can overwhelm the systems.


In the finest Salinsky/Cloward/Piven strategy we are going to build our movement from the bottom up, we are going to attack the infrastructure, eradicate the mores and values until there is no moral core.


why do you think we have been spending money willey/nilley hand-over-fist and driving the country into 18 trillion plus debt. An amount that is not only unsustainable but it can't be paid back using conventional methods for millennium.


We have attacked the core principles, the core values, we have attached ourselves to the education system so that youth can look at the older people with distain.


We have put everyone in the Jim Jones punch line and that seems to be the norm.


So, back to the OP -


By all means lets not protect our people. Lets not protect our borders. Lets not provide prudent safety precautions when we are dealing with a virus with a 50-70% mortality rate.


Lets NOT enact a travel ban from countries where the outbreak of ebola is occurring. Why would we NOT want to do this? Because the goal is to collapse the country, to kill as many people as possible, to knock America off its pedestal, to "fundamental transform" this nation.


Why else would a leader of this country take a position that was contrary to the country's well-being? The only thing I can think of is he HATES this country and is wanting to destroy it as quickly as possible. After all, he only has two more years of damage he can do.


How in the world could the American people put someone in charge of this country that hates it so much?


Is it white guilt? Is it some brain-washing that has occurred over the last 4-5 decades?


How is it, that a people so readily march to their own doom and do not even realize it?


Pretty much it is a doom of compliance, a doom of acceptance. It is the lamb walking in and laying down at the lions feet with it's throat bared.


How in the world could you be an advocate for removing barriers that would protects Americans unless you hated them?


How could you be more concerned about a third world nations economy than you are the people in your own nation unless you hated them?


If this isn't a wakeup call, there won't be a wakeup!

 

[kittyluvr]

text of article:

The Obama administration has expressed deep concerns to the governors of New York and New Jersey and is consulting with them to modify their orders to quarantine medical volunteers returning from West Africa as President Obama seeks to quickly develop a new, nationwide policy for the workers, according to two senior administration officials.

One administration official said the federal government has been pressing the governors to back off their decisions, which quarantine all medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients. But another official said the administration has not specifically asked the governors to reverse their policies.


Mr. Obama held a meeting with his top advisers at the White House on Sunday as officials work to craft a policy that reassures Americans that they are protected from the virus while following the guidance of the government’s scientific advisers. Officials said that policy will be ready in days and that the government would urge all states to follow it.

On Sunday both governors, Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Chris Christie of New Jersey, stood by their decisions, saying that the current federal guidelines did not go far enough.

At the same time, the first person to be forced into isolation under the new protocols, Kaci Hickox, a nurse returning from Sierra Leone, planned to mount a legal challenge to the quarantine order. Despite having no symptoms, she has been kept under quarantine at a hospital in New Jersey, where she has been confined to a tent equipped with a portable toilet and no shower. On Sunday, she spoke to CNN about the way she has been treated, describing it as “inhumane.”

The rapidly escalating events played out both privately, in intense negotiations and phone calls between federal and state officials, as well as publicly in Ms. Hickox’s pointed criticism of the New Jersey governor.

Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Sunday that the way Ms. Hickox had been treated was shameful and vowed that New York City would do all it could to honor the work of the health care workers here and those who go help fight the epidemic in West Africa.

“The problem here is, this hero, coming back from the front having done the right things was treated with disrespect,” Mr. de Blasio said.

“We have to think how we treat the people who are doing this noble work,” he said. “We owe her better than that.”

He said there have been reports that nurses who work at Bellevue have been stigmatized, with people refusing to serve them food or treating their children differently. Such behavior was unacceptable, he said.

“The people who work at Bellevue are the Marines of our health care system,” he said. “They understand what their duty is, and they are only too proud to perform it.”

Ever since Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, and Mr. Christie, a Republican, announced the plan at a hastily called news conference on Friday evening, top Obama administration officials have been speaking with Mr. Cuomo daily and have also been in touch with Mr. Christie, trying to get them to modify the order. But Mr. Christie said at a fund-raiser in Florida that he had “gotten absolutely no contact” from the White House.
Continue reading the main story

But in that time, two more states — Illinois and Florida — announced that they were instituting similar policies, as some members of the public expressed outrage that the infected patient in New York City had used the subway and gone bowling just before developing symptoms.

Federal officials made it clear that they do not agree with the governors about the need or effectiveness of a total quarantine for health care workers, though they were careful not to directly criticize the governors themselves.

A senior administration official, who did not want to be identified in order to discuss private conversations with state officials on the issue, called the decision by the governors “uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn’t comport with science.”

Indeed, Mr. Christie said he did not consult with the White House about the decision. “I did not let them know,” he said in a brief interview in Boca Raton, Fla., where he was campaigning for the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott.

The United States is sending thousands of military personnel and other federal workers to the West African countries hit hardest by the virus, and a mandatory quarantine could make sending personnel to those countries more difficult, officials said.

The decision to institute a mandatory quarantine came after a New York doctor, Craig Spencer, received a diagnosis of Ebola on Thursday, having contracted the virus while working in Guinea for Doctors Without Borders. He is being treated at Bellevue Hospital Center, where he is in serious but stable condition. “The patient looks better than yesterday,” Dr. Ramanathan Raju, the president of the city’s Health and Hospitals Corporation, said on Sunday.

The decision for mandatory quarantines has not only opened a rift with federal officials, but also between New York City and the state.

Having seen the disorganized way officials in Dallas implemented quarantine orders for people who came into contact with Thomas Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, New York City officials were determined to do better.

One key part of their strategy was to ensure that they were able to meet all the needs of those placed in isolation, making their time as comfortable as possible.

The plans called for monitors to be assigned to each quarantined family or individual and dedicated solely to help them get meals, stay in contact with loved ones and have a clear line of communication with officials.

On Friday night, those carefully laid plans were thrown aside when Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo called for the mandatory quarantine.

“The entire city was not informed, even the mayor’s office,” according to a city official involved in New York’s Ebola response. “The mayor was caught unaware.”

“The big picture decision was made in the absence of any deep thinking about what implementing the policy would entail,” the official said.

As for Ms. Hickox, her plane happened to land precisely at the wrong moment.

“This nurse just happened to land mid-conversation between the two governors,” the official said.


Ms. Hickox spoke out about her treatment in her interview with CNN on Sunday, saying that officials still have not told her what they plan to do next or why they are isolating her since she poses no public health risk as long as she remains asymptomatic.

She also blasted Mr. Christie for saying that she was sick, when it was clear that she did not have a fever and had tested negative for Ebola.

“The first thing I would say to Governor Christie is that I wish he would be more careful about his statements about my medical condition,” she said from inside the medical tent where she has been quarantined since Friday night. “If he knew anything about Ebola, he would know that asymptomatic people are not infectious.”

“I also want to be treated with compassion and humanity, and I don’t feel I’ve been treated that way in the past three days,” she said in the interview. “I think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable. I feel like my basic human rights have been violated.”

Ms. Hickox has retained a well-known civil rights lawyer, Norman Siegel, to challenge the quarantine order and get her out of isolation. In an interview on Sunday, he said the order “raised substantial civil liberties issues.”

“The policy infringes on Kaci Hickox’s constitutional liberty interests,” he said. “The policy is overly broad as applied to Ms. Hickox and we are preparing to challenge it on her behalf.”

Mr. Christie, speaking earlier on Fox News Sunday, defended the policy.

“We’ve taken this action and I have absolutely no second thoughts about it,” he said.



Members of the administration challenged the wisdom of the quarantine order and the way it was being implemented.

Samantha Power, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, arrived in Guinea’s capital Conakry on Sunday on the first leg of a tour through the three West African nations hardest hit by the epidemic and spoke out about the critical need for more health care workers to join the fight against the virus.

“All of us need to make clear what these health workers mean to us and how much we value their services, how much we value their contribution,” Ms. Power said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “We need to make sure they are treated like conquering heroes and not in any other way.”

Public health experts have pushed against stricter measures such as quarantining returning travelers without symptoms, arguing the effort is overkill and could actually serve to harm the effort in West Africa, where the disease is still exploding.

They argue that controlling the virus where it is raging is the only way to reduce the risk to zero for Americans, and that existing federal policy, with changes already set to take effect Monday, achieves the delicate balance of precautionary measures that do not impede broader efforts in Africa.

Under that policy, any traveler retuning from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea will be required to report their temperatures to their local health authorities. They will also be required to give health officials the names and addresses of their relatives and where they will be staying in the three weeks after they arrive, the approximate amount of time the disease takes to incubate.

Administration officials said that the current discussions at the White House would consider whether more measures are necessary.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Disease, said it was vital not to do anything that might interfere with the flow of health workers to West Africa.

“The harm is that it is totally disruptive of their life. We want them to go because they are helping us to protect America to be over there,” Dr. Fauci said on CNN.

A person infected with Ebola is not infectious until they show symptoms of the virus. The sicker someone becomes, the greater the risk of contagion. Ebola is transmitted through contact with bodily fluids, not through the air.

The new quarantine policy could have an immediate effect on people working for one of the organizations that has been leading the effort the contain the spread of Ebola, Doctors Without Borders.

A total of 52 people from the United States have worked with Doctors Without Borders in West Africa on the Ebola response since it began in March, according to a spokesperson for the group. Of these, 31 are currently at work in West Africa. Twenty of those 31 individuals are scheduled to return sometime in the next four weeks.

“Every time someone tightens that noose, health workers from the United States say, ‘Well, I’m not sure it’s worth that sacrifice,'” said James P. Mitchum, the chief executive officer of Heart to Heart International, a charity that is working in Liberia.

Mr. Christie was dismissive of the concerns voiced by both the administration and public health officials.

“It was my conclusion that we needed to do this to protect the public health of the people of New Jersey,” Mr. Christie said. “I have great respect for Dr. Fauci, but what he’s counting on is a voluntary system in which folks may or may not comply.”

Ms. Hickox, the nurse, said that not only was Mr. Christie’s thinking flawed, but the implementation of the policy was a disaster.

“I think one of the things about this policy is that it is obviously poorly planned out,” she said.

She added, “We don’t need politicians to make these kinds of decisions. We need public health experts to make these decisions.”

 

[Seabird]

White House Presses States to Reconsider Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders (Why?)

(Why on earth would he do this? Seabird )


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/nyregion/ebola-quarantine.html?_r=0

White House Presses States to Reconsider Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders

By MARC SANTORA and MICHAEL D. SHEAROCT. 26, 2014


The Obama administration has expressed deep concerns to the governors of New York and New Jersey and is consulting with them to modify their orders to quarantine medical volunteers returning from West Africa as President Obama seeks to quickly develop a new, nationwide policy for the workers, according to two senior administration officials.

One administration official said the federal government has been pressing the governors to back off their decisions, which quarantine all medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients. But another official said the administration has not specifically asked the governors to reverse their policies.


Workers at Bellevue in New York on Oct. 8 demonstrated the gear staff members would wear to treat patients with Ebola.
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A nurse who had worked with Ebola patients in West Africa was placed under quarantine at University Hospital shortly after she landed at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday.
Tested Negative for Ebola, Nurse Criticizes Her QuarantineOCT. 25, 2014
Dr. Craig Spencer in an undated photograph.
New York Ebola Patient Enters More Serious Phase of Illness, Officials SayOCT. 25, 2014
Ebola Patient’s Fiancée Shares His Passion for Helping Those in Need, Friends Say OCT. 25, 2014
Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, the New York City health commissioner, addressed the news media regarding Ebola precautions at the Office of Emergency Management in Brooklyn on Friday. Mayor Bill de Blasio is to her right.
NYC Health Commissioner Has Helped Quell Ebola FearsOCT. 25, 2014

Mr. Obama held a meeting with his top advisers at the White House on Sunday as officials work to craft a policy that reassures Americans that they are protected from the virus while following the guidance of the government’s scientific advisers. Officials said that policy will be ready in days and that the government would urge all states to follow it.


On Sunday both governors, Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Chris Christie of New Jersey, stood by their decisions, saying that the current federal guidelines did not go far enough.

At the same time, the first person to be forced into isolation under the new protocols, Kaci Hickox, a nurse returning from Sierra Leone, planned to mount a legal challenge to the quarantine order. Despite having no symptoms, she has been kept under quarantine at a hospital in New Jersey, where she has been confined to a tent equipped with a portable toilet and no shower. On Sunday, she spoke to CNN about the way she has been treated, describing it as “inhumane.”

The rapidly escalating events played out both privately, in intense negotiations and phone calls between federal and state officials, as well as publicly in Ms. Hickox’s pointed criticism of the New Jersey governor.

Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Sunday that the way Ms. Hickox had been treated was shameful and vowed that New York City would do all it could to honor the work of the health care workers here and those who go help fight the epidemic in West Africa.

“The problem here is, this hero, coming back from the front having done the right things was treated with disrespect,” Mr. de Blasio said.

“We have to think how we treat the people who are doing this noble work,” he said. “We owe her better than that.”

He said there have been reports that nurses who work at Bellevue have been stigmatized, with people refusing to serve them food or treating their children differently. Such behavior was unacceptable, he said.

“The people who work at Bellevue are the Marines of our health care system,” he said. “They understand what their duty is, and they are only too proud to perform it.”

Ever since Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, and Mr. Christie, a Republican, announced the plan at a hastily called news conference on Friday evening, top Obama administration officials have been speaking with Mr. Cuomo daily and have also been in touch with Mr. Christie, trying to get them to modify the order. But Mr. Christie said at a fund-raiser in Florida that he had “gotten absolutely no contact” from the White House.
Continue reading the main story

But in that time, two more states — Illinois and Florida — announced that they were instituting similar policies, as some members of the public expressed outrage that the infected patient in New York City had used the subway and gone bowling just before developing symptoms.

Federal officials made it clear that they do not agree with the governors about the need or effectiveness of a total quarantine for health care workers, though they were careful not to directly criticize the governors themselves.

A senior administration official, who did not want to be identified in order to discuss private conversations with state officials on the issue, called the decision by the governors “uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn’t comport with science.”

Indeed, Mr. Christie said he did not consult with the White House about the decision. “I did not let them know,” he said in a brief interview in Boca Raton, Fla., where he was campaigning for the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott.

The United States is sending thousands of military personnel and other federal workers to the West African countries hit hardest by the virus, and a mandatory quarantine could make sending personnel to those countries more difficult, officials said.

The decision to institute a mandatory quarantine came after a New York doctor, Craig Spencer, received a diagnosis of Ebola on Thursday, having contracted the virus while working in Guinea for Doctors Without Borders. He is being treated at Bellevue Hospital Center, where he is in serious but stable condition. “The patient looks better than yesterday,” Dr. Ramanathan Raju, the president of the city’s Health and Hospitals Corporation, said on Sunday.

The decision for mandatory quarantines has not only opened a rift with federal officials, but also between New York City and the state.

Having seen the disorganized way officials in Dallas implemented quarantine orders for people who came into contact with Thomas Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, New York City officials were determined to do better.

One key part of their strategy was to ensure that they were able to meet all the needs of those placed in isolation, making their time as comfortable as possible.

The plans called for monitors to be assigned to each quarantined family or individual and dedicated solely to help them get meals, stay in contact with loved ones and have a clear line of communication with officials.

On Friday night, those carefully laid plans were thrown aside when Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo called for the mandatory quarantine.

“The entire city was not informed, even the mayor’s office,” according to a city official involved in New York’s Ebola response. “The mayor was caught unaware.”

“The big picture decision was made in the absence of any deep thinking about what implementing the policy would entail,” the official said.

As for Ms. Hickox, her plane happened to land precisely at the wrong moment.
Continue reading the main story

“This nurse just happened to land mid-conversation between the two governors,” the official said.

 

[Nowski]

White House Presses States to Reconsider Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders (Why?)

(Why on earth would he do this? Seabird )

They want Ebola here is why, and as many sick as possible, IMHO.

It was brought here on purpose, there was no Ebola here, and it would not be here,
if proper medical procedures were followed in dealing with an infectious disease.

If an epidemic was to break out, that would give them more control,
due to the epidemic, that they do not currently have.

People are fed up with the federal government response to Ebola,
and are looking to their state governments to respond.

Even extremely liberal governors are now pushing back against this
out of control, communist ran federal government.

We ain't seen nothing yet.

Regards to all,
Nowski

 

[Masterchief117]

I think most of us here know WHY. I said most of us here. There are still a few holdouts who are still in rational denial.

 

[Seabird]

I think most of us here know WHY. I said most of us here. There are still a few holdouts who are still in rational denial.

I'm not one of them, trust me! But the blatant attempt to publicly do this eludes me! Doing things undercover is one thing, but to make these declarations outright is unbelievable! God help us all!

 

[smokin]

They don't want to hurt their feelings by quarantining them.

 

[Dixielee]

I don't understand the rationale for quarantining health care workers who are entering the country from Africa but refuse to impose a travel ban on everyone else entering from Africa. I don't know what the volume of people traveling from Africa might be, but why not quarantine everyone? I know the answer to this, but it irritates me to see this happening. If they are going to quarantine health care workers, at least put them in decent quarters. Don't stick them in a tent with no shower for 3 weeks!

 

[Ramius]

They are treading lightly, for now- the election is in just a few days.

After the election, the gloves come off. And we'll be lucky if we live through the next two years.

My predictions: Gun control by executive order, blanket amnesty and open borders by more of same, and a hard push to eliminate elections (honest elections, at any rate) by 2016.

A republican landslide might slow it down just a little, but only a little. And I don't expect that to happen. I expect a a lot 'close' races, just for the cameras, but I expect the election results have already been programmed into the machines. Remember, it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes....

 

[Looks Harmless]

Because that's their job?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ised-list-quarantinable-communicable-diseases

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
Executive Order -- Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases
EXECUTIVE ORDER ------- REVISED LIST OF QUARANTINABLE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES
July 31, 2014
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 264(b) of title 42, United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Amendment to Executive Order 13295. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Acting Surgeon General, and for the purposes set forth in section 1 of Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003, as amended by Executive Order 13375 of April 1, 2005, section 1 of Executive Order 13295 shall be further amended by replacing subsection (b) with the following:
"(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza."
Sec. 2. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
BARACK OBAMA


Looks Harmless

 

[dstraito]

So why would you impose a quarantine?

To protect people from other people that have been exposed to a disease that might spread?


Why would you NOT impose a quarantine?

Because you want that disease to spread!


Period!

End of discussion.

We have people in this country that want to perpetuate harm to the citizens in any manner they can.

Is that not an overt declaration of war?

 

[John Deere Girl]

I hope these states refuse to back down.

 

[Bogey]

^^^^^^^^^^
nail on the head

 

[Martinhouse]

Yes, theses states need to stand firm and a lot more need to follow suit, and soon.

The more states that do this, the harder it would be to force them into undoing it.

Carol

 

[Publius]

I hope these states refuse to back down.

None of them have the balls to openly tell him go to hell.

 

[celtic-cat]

I don't understand the rationale for quarantining health care workers who are entering the country from Africa but refuse to impose a travel ban on everyone else entering from Africa. I don't know what the volume of people traveling from Africa might be, but why not quarantine everyone? I know the answer to this, but it irritates me to see this happening. If they are going to quarantine health care workers, at least put them in decent quarters. Don't stick them in a tent with no shower for 3 weeks!

The answer would be that health care workers are KNOWN to have had contact with infected persons, while we cannot know with certainty with whom random travelers have been in close quarters. I, personally, think that it is too risky to allow random travelers to roam around on their pinky swear that they haven't been anywhere near an ebola patient, there is a little bit of a difference from a health care worker who was wiping vomit off of her visor less than 24 hours ago.

 

[dstraito]

Is it NOT sad, that when you think about the people that would want to harm you, it would be your own Government, the people that are supposed to represent ALL people.

We have fallen a great degree when we can have one faction using those government platforms to get rid of other factions.

what a world, what a world!

 

[lilsparky]

I keep asking, what about the staff in Bellevue taking care of Dr. Spencer? The first couple of days Fox website kept running a stock photo of two people supposedly geared up to care for an Ebola patient. One of them, identified as the assistant director of the infection control department at the hospital had nothing on her hair, and her forehead, neck and ears were exposed. If that's proper PPE, I would be on the list of staff calling in. If this is going to be stopped here, then ALL who have contact with a known infectious person need to be strictly isolated/monitored, not just those flying in from the Ebola front lines in W. Africa.

 

[Housecarl]

I keep asking, what about the staff in Bellevue taking care of Dr. Spencer? The first couple of days Fox website kept running a stock photo of two people supposedly geared up to care for an Ebola patient. One of them, identified as the assistant director of the infection control department at the hospital had nothing on her hair, and her forehead, neck and ears were exposed. If that's proper PPE, I would be on the list of staff calling in. If this is going to be stopped here, then ALL who have contact with a known infectious person need to be strictly isolated/monitored, not just those flying in from the Ebola front lines in W. Africa.

The biggest reason we've "only" had one death thus far is because the ability of US health services to provide the support care needed by someone who's contracted this virus to fight through it, just like the same manner as the flu, common cold or measles, hasn't been slammed yet. That happens and you will see the same death rates as in western Africa.

What has happened in Dallas thus far is a case in point. NYC will be next. Even if they're anal with a capital "A" regarding PPE, they're still going to have a chunk of their staff "off line" during and after this, and if more cases show up, that number of staff impacted will go up, weakening their ability to respond to anything else, including more cases of Ebola.

 

[Publius]

I don't understand the rationale for quarantining health care workers who are entering the country from Africa but refuse to impose a travel ban on everyone else entering from Africa. I don't know what the volume of people traveling from Africa might be, but why not quarantine everyone? I know the answer to this, but it irritates me to see this happening. If they are going to quarantine health care workers, at least put them in decent quarters. Don't stick them in a tent with no shower for 3 weeks!

Have you ever heard of the story about Typhoid Mary.

 

[lilsparky]

Housecarl...agree exactly. Already stretched resources will hit a new level of strain. If they don't tighten those PPEs and proper use, it's going to be way worse.

 

[lectrickitty]

He's not satisfied being POTUS? Now he wants to micro manage state Governors?

The states need to exert their rights and put the feds in their place. Tell them to coin money and protect borders, after all, that IS their purpose for existing.

 

[Wise Owl]

Just got done listening to the Sunday night Alex Jones show. They ran a clip from a congressional meeting with a "major"? from the Air Force answering questions. He was asked about if the airmen were exposed and had to be shipped home. Would they quarantine them in Liberia for the 21 days prior to flying back. No, he said. Only for 10 days then do the other 11 here in the states. Congressman asks why? He said because ALL of Liberia is a HOT ZONE, there is no place to keep them in a clean environment there. He was then asked about their PPE. At first he stuttered and said they didn't need it then quickly said they were shipping over Tyvek suits for the soldiers.

I guess if they can't do a quarantine because of it being a Hot Zone then they will need those suits, eh?

Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth, huh? Or get caught in a whopping lie.

SO, my point is this. If Liberia is a Hot Zone from border to border then why isn't everyone coming from there quarantined for the 21 days? I understand the HCW but if it's that bad, they all need to be put in quarantine. Period. I don't care who it is.

 

[Housecarl]

They are treading lightly, for now- the election is in just a few days.

After the election, the gloves come off. And we'll be lucky if we live through the next two years.

My predictions: Gun control by executive order, blanket amnesty and open borders by more of same, and a hard push to eliminate elections (honest elections, at any rate) by 2016.

A republican landslide might slow it down just a little, but only a little. And I don't expect that to happen. I expect a a lot 'close' races, just for the cameras, but I expect the election results have already been programmed into the machines. Remember, it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes....

It also matters who guards the counters. Just saying in light of some "spectacular" Secret Service "fails"(?).....

 

[Shadow]

If the quarantine is determined to be illegal charge them with possession of a weapon of mass destruction (BL-4 Pathogen). If it is not illegal make it illegal and the pardon them after 21 days.
Shadow

 

[BetterLateThanNever]

He's not satisfied being POTUS? Now he wants to micro manage state Governors?

The states need to exert their rights and put the feds in their place. Tell them to coin money and protect borders, after all, that IS their purpose for existing.

^^^This^^^