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A cause of America's labor shortage: Millions with long COVID
BY AIMEE PICCHI
FEBRUARY 1, 2022 / 7:41 AM / MONEYWATCH

One of the puzzles of the pandemic economy is the ongoing labor shortage, with business owners struggling to find workers amid the so-called "Great Resignation." But new research points to another — and more troubling — factor that helps explain the nation's shrinking workforce: long COVID.

Millions of Americans are struggling with long-term symptoms after contracting COVID-19, with many of them unable to work due to chronic health issues. Katie Bach, a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said she was "floored" when she started crunching the numbers on the ranks of workers who have stepped out of the job market due to long COVID.

Her analysis found that an equivalent of 1.6 million people are missing from the full-time workforce because of the disease, which can leave people incapacitated for months with persistent symptoms including fatigue, brain fog, headaches, memory loss and heart palpitations.

"It was so much bigger than I thought it would be," Bach told CBS MoneyWatch. "Then it was like, `Why is no one talking about this?'"

To put Bach's figure into perspective, the country's labor force remains 2.2 million people short of its pre-pandemic size — an issue that's causing headaches for many employers. Earlier in the crisis, some business owners blamed extra unemployment aid for keeping workers on the sidelines. But those benefits ended in September, and the labor force still hasn't fully rebounded.

Long COVID could keep millions of people from working or require them to cut back their hours, said Dr. Philip A. Chan, an associate professor of medicine at Brown University who works on its long Covid Initiative.

"It's a spectrum from very minor symptoms to severe that are debilitating and prevent them from working at all," Dr. Chan said. "It's not just 'Yes or no, can people work?' We are seeing people reduce hours, reduce the scope of what they work on."

Bach's research adds to the debate over America's current labor market shortage, as businesses continue to struggle to recruit and retain workers as the pandemic nears its two-year anniversary.

Employees are quitting their jobs at record rates, with some finding better-paying jobs and others starting their own businesses. But others are struggling with lingering health issues after catching COVID.

The findings also highlight what advocates for long-COVID patients have said they've been warning about since the early days of the pandemic, when it became clear that anywhere from 10% to 30% of people with COVID-19 continued to struggle with symptoms for months after their initial infection.

The impact is much wider than generally known, affecting the finances of long COVID sufferers as well as the broader economy, said Lisa McCorkell, researcher at the Patient-Led Research Collaborative, a group created by long COVID sufferers who were among the first to do research on the condition.

"This is really a massive issue for workers," McCorkell said. "What we saw in our patient-led research collaborative study is that about two-thirds of survey respondents had to reduce hours or stop working completely."

She added, "A conservative estimate of cases of long COVID is almost 19 million — and any percentage of those being unable to work will have significant impacts on the economy."

"How am I going to support myself?"
One of those workers struggling with long COVID is Charlie McCone, a 32-year-old who is on short-term disability after developing the chronic illness following a COVID-19 infection in March of 2020. McCone said his long COVID symptoms were finally starting to improve in 2021, but he then contracted COVID-19 a second time.

"Now my symptoms of fatigue and cognitive issues have gotten so much worse, and they are so much more disabling when you need to work," McCone said. "You can work through pain if you have to, but you can't work through having zero energy. I feel like I'm a cellphone battery that is constantly dying."

McCone, who lives in San Francisco, said he's able to get by on his short-term disability payments, which replaced about two-thirds of his income, although he's had to dip into savings, partly to cover medical costs for his long COVID-19 treatments. But his disability runs out in March, and McCone worries that he won't be well enough by then to return to his marketing job.

"This instills a deep terror, like when you can't get out of bed. It's like, 'How am I going to support myself?'" McCone said. "My recovery has been so slow, and it's very debilitating. I might be able to do one to two hours [of work] a week right now."

Charlie McCone, 32, in his antigravity chair that he uses for rest. He is on short-term disability after developing debilitating symptoms following a COVID-19 infection in March of 2020. "I feel like I'm a cellphone battery that is constantly dying," McCone said.

McCone said long-haulers face a lot of uncertainty, given there's no prognosis on recovery time or approved treatment for the disease, which means sufferers have no idea how long it could take for them to heal or what medical treatments could help. Some people have turned to expensive treatments that can cost thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses, he noted.

From his perspective as a long COVID sufferer who was struggling to get through the workday before going on disability, McCone expressed frustration that the risks of ending up with a chronic illness is not more widely discussed.

"This is the most infuriating thing to people with long COVID," he told CBS MoneyWatch. "I had a mild infection, and I'm still sick two years later."

He added, "People should be scared, but they also need to be informed."

Researchers say they're looking into how to better diagnose and treat long COVID. But much remains unknown, adding to the anxiety felt by patients.

"One of the big questions we have to see is how long that will last and how long people have these persistent symptoms," said Dr. Chan of Brown University. "We are only two years in this pandemic, and it seems like forever sometimes."

How widespread is long COVID?
Given the surge in Omicron variant infections, the number of people dealing with long COVID is likely to rise, experts say. There's some research indicating that vaccinations can help prevent cases of long COVID, but other studies suggest that some vaccinated people still develop the chronic condition even after getting the jab.

Long COVID sufferers can face challenges in receiving accommodations in the workplace, or may not be believed when they say they are struggling with symptoms since it can be an "invisible" illness, noted Natalie Lambert, an associate professor of medicine at the Indiana University School of Medicine who studies COVID-19.

"The phrase, 'You don't look sick' is the most common thing people report that people say to them," Lambert noted. "It's a dark side of American culture that we don't believe people unless they look sick."

Many long COVID sufferers are continuing to work despite their daily struggle to function, she said. "People in employment are doing the best to keep up work performance and hide the fact that they have an invisible illness so they don't get fired," Lambert said.

But there are challenges in getting employers, insurers and others to acknowledge that someone has long COVID. For one, there's no clinical definition of long COVID, Lambert said. And patients can struggle to apply for disability if their doctor doesn't diagnose the illness or fails to enter the appropriate medical codes in their records.

As a result, long COVID entails many unknowns, including exactly how many people are actually impacted by long-standing chronic illness. About 1 in 3 COVID patients have long-haul symptoms after getting COVID-19, even if their initial infection was mild, according to researchers from University of California at Davis.

About 100 million Americans ages 18 to 65 have gotten COVID-19 since the pandemic began, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Using the UC Davis figure, that means about 30 million people may have developed long COVID since the pandemic began, with many of them recovering enough to resume work.

Based on her research on how many long COVID patients stop working or scale back their hours, Bach estimated that about 1.1 million workers have dropped out of full-time work due to long COVID at any given time, while about 2.1 million may have cut their hours due to their symptoms. All together, that equates to about 1.6 million full-time workers who are missing from the economy, according to Bach.

Bach said more research is needed on long COVID, and she questions why the illness isn't more front and center in discussions about the economy and public health.

"I don't believe we will take steps to deal with this crisis until we understand the full economic burden," Bach said. "Understanding the economic burden of long COVID is what is most likely to move the needle in getting people to take this seriously."
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB

A cause of America's labor shortage: Millions with long COVID
BY AIMEE PICCHI
FEBRUARY 1, 2022 / 7:41 AM / MONEYWATCH

One of the puzzles of the pandemic economy is the ongoing labor shortage, with business owners struggling to find workers amid the so-called "Great Resignation." But new research points to another — and more troubling — factor that helps explain the nation's shrinking workforce: long COVID.

Millions of Americans are struggling with long-term symptoms after contracting COVID-19, with many of them unable to work due to chronic health issues. Katie Bach, a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said she was "floored" when she started crunching the numbers on the ranks of workers who have stepped out of the job market due to long COVID.

Her analysis found that an equivalent of 1.6 million people are missing from the full-time workforce because of the disease, which can leave people incapacitated for months with persistent symptoms including fatigue, brain fog, headaches, memory loss and heart palpitations.

"It was so much bigger than I thought it would be," Bach told CBS MoneyWatch. "Then it was like, `Why is no one talking about this?'"

To put Bach's figure into perspective, the country's labor force remains 2.2 million people short of its pre-pandemic size — an issue that's causing headaches for many employers. Earlier in the crisis, some business owners blamed extra unemployment aid for keeping workers on the sidelines. But those benefits ended in September, and the labor force still hasn't fully rebounded.

Long COVID could keep millions of people from working or require them to cut back their hours, said Dr. Philip A. Chan, an associate professor of medicine at Brown University who works on its long Covid Initiative.

"It's a spectrum from very minor symptoms to severe that are debilitating and prevent them from working at all," Dr. Chan said. "It's not just 'Yes or no, can people work?' We are seeing people reduce hours, reduce the scope of what they work on."

Bach's research adds to the debate over America's current labor market shortage, as businesses continue to struggle to recruit and retain workers as the pandemic nears its two-year anniversary.

Employees are quitting their jobs at record rates, with some finding better-paying jobs and others starting their own businesses. But others are struggling with lingering health issues after catching COVID.

The findings also highlight what advocates for long-COVID patients have said they've been warning about since the early days of the pandemic, when it became clear that anywhere from 10% to 30% of people with COVID-19 continued to struggle with symptoms for months after their initial infection.

The impact is much wider than generally known, affecting the finances of long COVID sufferers as well as the broader economy, said Lisa McCorkell, researcher at the Patient-Led Research Collaborative, a group created by long COVID sufferers who were among the first to do research on the condition.

"This is really a massive issue for workers," McCorkell said. "What we saw in our patient-led research collaborative study is that about two-thirds of survey respondents had to reduce hours or stop working completely."

She added, "A conservative estimate of cases of long COVID is almost 19 million — and any percentage of those being unable to work will have significant impacts on the economy."

"How am I going to support myself?"
One of those workers struggling with long COVID is Charlie McCone, a 32-year-old who is on short-term disability after developing the chronic illness following a COVID-19 infection in March of 2020. McCone said his long COVID symptoms were finally starting to improve in 2021, but he then contracted COVID-19 a second time.

"Now my symptoms of fatigue and cognitive issues have gotten so much worse, and they are so much more disabling when you need to work," McCone said. "You can work through pain if you have to, but you can't work through having zero energy. I feel like I'm a cellphone battery that is constantly dying."

McCone, who lives in San Francisco, said he's able to get by on his short-term disability payments, which replaced about two-thirds of his income, although he's had to dip into savings, partly to cover medical costs for his long COVID-19 treatments. But his disability runs out in March, and McCone worries that he won't be well enough by then to return to his marketing job.

"This instills a deep terror, like when you can't get out of bed. It's like, 'How am I going to support myself?'" McCone said. "My recovery has been so slow, and it's very debilitating. I might be able to do one to two hours [of work] a week right now."

Charlie McCone, 32, in his antigravity chair that he uses for rest. He is on short-term disability after developing debilitating symptoms following a COVID-19 infection in March of 2020. "I feel like I'm a cellphone battery that is constantly dying," McCone said.

McCone said long-haulers face a lot of uncertainty, given there's no prognosis on recovery time or approved treatment for the disease, which means sufferers have no idea how long it could take for them to heal or what medical treatments could help. Some people have turned to expensive treatments that can cost thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses, he noted.

From his perspective as a long COVID sufferer who was struggling to get through the workday before going on disability, McCone expressed frustration that the risks of ending up with a chronic illness is not more widely discussed.

"This is the most infuriating thing to people with long COVID," he told CBS MoneyWatch. "I had a mild infection, and I'm still sick two years later."

He added, "People should be scared, but they also need to be informed."

Researchers say they're looking into how to better diagnose and treat long COVID. But much remains unknown, adding to the anxiety felt by patients.

"One of the big questions we have to see is how long that will last and how long people have these persistent symptoms," said Dr. Chan of Brown University. "We are only two years in this pandemic, and it seems like forever sometimes."

How widespread is long COVID?
Given the surge in Omicron variant infections, the number of people dealing with long COVID is likely to rise, experts say. There's some research indicating that vaccinations can help prevent cases of long COVID, but other studies suggest that some vaccinated people still develop the chronic condition even after getting the jab.

Long COVID sufferers can face challenges in receiving accommodations in the workplace, or may not be believed when they say they are struggling with symptoms since it can be an "invisible" illness, noted Natalie Lambert, an associate professor of medicine at the Indiana University School of Medicine who studies COVID-19.

"The phrase, 'You don't look sick' is the most common thing people report that people say to them," Lambert noted. "It's a dark side of American culture that we don't believe people unless they look sick."

Many long COVID sufferers are continuing to work despite their daily struggle to function, she said. "People in employment are doing the best to keep up work performance and hide the fact that they have an invisible illness so they don't get fired," Lambert said.

But there are challenges in getting employers, insurers and others to acknowledge that someone has long COVID. For one, there's no clinical definition of long COVID, Lambert said. And patients can struggle to apply for disability if their doctor doesn't diagnose the illness or fails to enter the appropriate medical codes in their records.

As a result, long COVID entails many unknowns, including exactly how many people are actually impacted by long-standing chronic illness. About 1 in 3 COVID patients have long-haul symptoms after getting COVID-19, even if their initial infection was mild, according to researchers from University of California at Davis.

About 100 million Americans ages 18 to 65 have gotten COVID-19 since the pandemic began, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Using the UC Davis figure, that means about 30 million people may have developed long COVID since the pandemic began, with many of them recovering enough to resume work.

Based on her research on how many long COVID patients stop working or scale back their hours, Bach estimated that about 1.1 million workers have dropped out of full-time work due to long COVID at any given time, while about 2.1 million may have cut their hours due to their symptoms. All together, that equates to about 1.6 million full-time workers who are missing from the economy, according to Bach.

Bach said more research is needed on long COVID, and she questions why the illness isn't more front and center in discussions about the economy and public health.

"I don't believe we will take steps to deal with this crisis until we understand the full economic burden," Bach said. "Understanding the economic burden of long COVID is what is most likely to move the needle in getting people to take this seriously."
See--BS Pure propaganda and fear porn.
 

OhioBull

Contributing Member
Don’t believe it. Maybe people feel bad but you get up and do what you have to do to support yourself and loved ones. If true then, in my opinion, it’s a symptom of a broader societal problem and not so much the cause. There is a big difference between a root cause and a symptom.
 

PalmettoGirl

Senior Member
I’m unjabbed. I got covid in October followed by pneumonia. I was pretty much bedridden for seven weeks. And it was weeks after that before I could think clearly and wasn’t easily exhausted. I had a very hard time remembering words and having conversations without pausing to remember something. I was able to recover without having to take time off from work because we had a fire in August and weren’t able to fully reopen until last week. I still have phantom smells and my hair is falling out. I am able to work and went to every meeting we had even with pneumonia. I take supplements and feel better when I do. I’m not sure if what I went through would be considered long covid, but it seemed never ending to me.
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
Every time I got sick it never went away in a few days. In some cases it developed into Bronchitis. I went to work blowing, coughing, hacking, etc., but nobody cared. I think now, with whatever you have, people care - a lot.. Consequently, maybe folks are staying home until they are clear of symptoms, and sometimes it takes a while… :kaid:
 

Iowa Wiley

Contributing Member
I had a nasty bout of Wuflu in March 2021 with a nice parting gift of a PE a couple of weeks later. I was actually pretty lucky to have the PE when I did, as the rest of my lungs had covid pneumonia (full of micro blood clots) and my air intake down to 1000ml. Pumped full of blood thinners probably kept me from the ventilator. In other words they treated the PE, not the pneumonia. And then after a couple of days in the hospital and being put on Eloquis for 60 days, the long haul kicked in. All summer I was lucky if I could get 2-3 hours of work done before I was just completely exhausted. Was into the ER twice last summer with heart palpations and blood pressure wonkiness. And the anxiety has been never ending. At times my heart will race for no reason and will take a couple of hours to slow down. Here we are almost a year later and I still am lucky if I can get a good half day of physical labor out of a weekend before I'm wrung out. And before being infected with the Communist bioweapon I was quite active and did quite a bit of physical stuff in the evenings and the weekends. The long Covid stuff is a real thing. BTW, wasn't jabbed, and I sure as hell am not going to be now.
 

Anrol5

Inactive
"Long Covid" has already been studied and determined to not be a physiological condition. It is Phycological. And most likely to have been exasperated on by the constant hype of the news media and govt officials.


Yours, Longbulls, somewherepress, TidesofTruth, blueinterceptor, etc. your lack of sympathy to those who have gotten permanently sick with Covid is breath taking.

Covid affects every organ in the body, and some leave scars. From unexplained skin rashes to early death from heart disease. Or perhaps you are unable to think as your brain is affected. Maybe modify your diet as your kidneys can't handle certain foods. etc.

The problem is that Long Covid can affect one or more organs, and that makes it so difficult to diagnose. Also standard tools don't work. If someone is claiming they are always out of breath, a standard lung X-Ray shows nothing. Do a gas transfer CT scan, much much more expensive, and time consuming, and their problems show up. Working lungs light up like a Christmas tree. Long Covid lungs are dark. It will take years to work out what has happened to people's bodies. We still have not worked out what causes known disease like ME or Fibromyalgia. We know what causes lyme disease, but it is difficult to diagnose.

So Long Covid will take a long time to work out,

Currently Covid kills on average 1% of those who get it. And leave 2.5% permanently disabled, which makes the 1.6 million people permanently disabled look like a small number.

Anrol
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I’m unjabbed. I got covid in October followed by pneumonia. I was pretty much bedridden for seven weeks. And it was weeks after that before I could think clearly and wasn’t easily exhausted. I had a very hard time remembering words and having conversations without pausing to remember something. I was able to recover without having to take time off from work because we had a fire in August and weren’t able to fully reopen until last week. I still have phantom smells and my hair is falling out. I am able to work and went to every meeting we had even with pneumonia. I take supplements and feel better when I do. I’m not sure if what I went through would be considered long covid, but it seemed never ending to me.



Hope you recover fully.
Thanks for the first-person report.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Apart from long covid being a real thing for many folks, there is also the newly-recognized phenomenon called nocibo. It is the reverse of placebo.

Placebo is when a back pain sufferer is given a sugar pill but told it is wonder drug to reduce back pain. And it works great in 20-25% of pain sufferers. It is not purely “psychological” as there is a shift in neurotransmitters such as endorphins (which have a pain-easing effect) and can be quickly reversed by opiod blockers similar to Narcan. Similar effects seen in a multitude of medical problems.

But NOCIBO is just the opposite. Example: Someone with no back pain, for instance, gets an MRI for kidney or other issues and it happens to show disc herniations or degeneration. They are told they have the spine of a 90 year-old, and a few days later encounter nasty back pain. How patients are improperly “educated” about their conditions is now recognized as a strong source of disability (bone-on-bone knee xrays most often have no pain, until they are “educated” about how bad their painless knee really is. The next few days pain arrives. That pain is very often cleared with a placebo medication. Nocibo occurs when docs tell patients they are really bad off sick based on invalid tests or images, and the patient gets sick from that, especially if the doc issues dire warnings.

So articles like this can create a nocibo effect for those with mild case of long covid, turning it into a severe case just as a result of propaganda. What % of population is vulnerable to this is unknown, but certainly it is a risk.

Nocibo is often reversed once it is pointed out to the patient, even when it pisses them off to be told.

Yes, long covid is a very real disability for many. It can be quite bad. But nocibo can make it worse for many individuals and more widespread in the population. And how individuals respond to disability is a learned behavior from a lifetime of parental influence and so many other factors.
 
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Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
Shadowstats.com shows unemployment rate at 24%.

Likewise, that Glen Beck video discussed why the unemployment was 24% rather than the 4% (or so) pushed by the government.


R/T 16:35
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
A lot of long COVID may be reactivated Epstein-Barr virus. Like chicken pox it's a herpes virus that most everyone has in their body. For some people it can reactivate due to stress, including illness, in the same way that chicken pox reactivates as shingles in some people. Unfortunately most doctors don't understand or acknowledge it, or test properly (diagnosis requires four antibody tests, and sometimes a PCR test). It's real, it's difficult to treat (the COVID protocol does help), can take years to resolve, and the effects can be devastating. Mine has reactivated in the past due to life stress, and again in 2020 after probably having COVID. I'm still fighting it, and it's definitely no joke.

(I shouldn't have to add this disclaimer, but I voted for Trump and haven't been vaccinated. :) )
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Shadowstats.com shows unemployment rate at 24%.

Likewise, that Glen Beck video discussed why the unemployment was 24% rather than the 4% (or so) pushed by the government.


R/T 16:35
Is Beck arguing that 24% of the working population is actively looking for work and not finding it?
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Grand daughter has been into the Long Covid game for 14 months. There was no doubt she had something because she was not the same girl. Problem now is fatigue. Luckily she can spot it coming so has not had any bad consequences. She is in college so can work around it.

She is one of 10 in my family that has had Covid. Nobody else had anything that lasted longer than two weeks.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
A lot of long COVID may be reactivated Epstein-Barr virus. Like chicken pox it's a herpes virus that most everyone has in their body. For some people it can reactivate due to stress, including illness, in the same way that chicken pox reactivates as shingles in some people. Unfortunately most doctors don't understand or acknowledge it, or test properly (diagnosis requires four antibody tests, and sometimes a PCR test). It's real, it's difficult to treat (the COVID protocol does help), can take years to resolve, and the effects can be devastating. Mine has reactivated in the past due to life stress, and again in 2020 after probably having COVID. I'm still fighting it, and it's definitely no joke.

(I shouldn't have to add this disclaimer, but I voted for Trump and haven't been vaccinated. :) )
Even MS may be traced to an earlier viral infection (Epst-Barr maybe?). Traditionally been called a “slow virus” effect.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
For those of you who think anyone can "just get on with it," that isn't likely when there is actual physical damage to internal organs, including sometimes the brain.

One thing Long Covid has done that is "positive" (in a sad way) is to finally focus attention on some of the other weird conditions that can result in exhaustion and pain so bad that sometimes just getting out of bed is nearly impossible - no matter how much you want to or how much you "have to," you may simply find yourself lying on the floor having fainted or screaming from spasms - bosses don't tend to like that much. Nor do they tend to really appreciate workers who get severe "brain fog" and can't remember words when trying to explain something or ask a question.

All these things can happen with conditions like Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Epstein Bar, the early stage of MS, and now Long COVID (and a few others). Because Long COVID often is leaving more obvious physical damage (that can be detected by tests provided they are done), it isn't as easy for doctors, the health system, employers to just "play pretend" and "oh, if you were really motivated you would get the job done."

My grandmother (Mother's Mother) did just "have to keep going" until her body wouldn't do it anymore - she died of what the doctor called "old age and over work" at age 42.....I might have actually gotten to know her if she hadn't "had to get on with it" and been able to afford to have gotten some medical attention, even in the 1950s.
 

Buick Electra

TB2K Girls with Guns
Long covid does exist. But this story sounds wicked exaggerated. If this were as widespread and as severe as they imply, our PT clinic should be overrun with patients seeing help. Clinic has only one so far. Granted, it is a small town

Here's an article on 'Long Covid' the symptoms of which I still have exhaustion since December 2019.


Long COVID Can Last a Year; Many Sufferers Quit Jobs
Oct. 27, 2021, at 11:47 a.m.

WEDNESDAY, Oct. 27, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- Patients suffering from "long COVID" can have symptoms that last a year or more, putting their jobs and everyday routines in jeopardy, a new study finds.

Looking at more than 150 people with long-lasting effects from COVID-19, researchers said the patients reported thinking problems, fatigue, brain fog, headache, sleep problems and dizziness.

"The majority of people who we studied had been sick for at least a year, and were still seeing significant difficulty in life participation, feelings of general wellness and health, ability to socialize and ability to perform daily tasks," said lead researcher David Putrino. He's an associate professor of rehabilitation and human performance at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City.

The cause of long COVID isn't clear, Putrino said. It's possible the virus is still causing reactions months later or perhaps it has altered the immune system and that's what's causing these persistent symptoms, he theorized.

Putrino was insistent that these symptoms are real physical reactions to the virus and not caused by mental or emotional problems.
"These patients are exhibiting symptoms consistent with over 100 years of literature surrounding post-viral illness," he said. "So this is a known phenomenon that accompanies viruses, especially novel viruses, and the symptoms are very consistent with other post-viral illnesses, such as myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, Lyme disease and even the Spanish flu."

Whether these patients will ever recover also is unclear, said Putrino, who is also director of rehabilitation innovation for the Mount Sinai Health System.

"It's our hope that they will," he said. "We have some data emerging to suggest that patients do respond to rehabilitation intervention. We're also doing research to understand what could be the underlying cause, and from there we can start to think about drug development and drug targets."

Rehabilitation for long COVID consists of several steps to identify -- and avoid -- triggers. It also involves gentle exercises to help reprogram the autonomic nervous system, which regulates critical involuntary functions of the body.

If you suspect you have long COVID, Putrino suggests finding a doctor who believes what you're going through is real and is willing to work with you as a partner.

"Also, avoid anyone who is pushing aggressive exercise or exercise training. There is strong literature to suggest that in post-viral illness, exercise therapy will worsen your symptoms and will not make you better," he said.

For the study, Putrino and his colleagues looked at 156 patients treated for long COVID between March 2020 and March 2021. Participants completed a questionnaire that asked about various symptoms and what they believe triggered them a median of 351 days post-infection. None had been vaccinated at the time of the study.

More than 8 out of 10 respondents were still bothered by fatigue, brain fog (67%), headache (60%), sleep disturbance (59%) and dizziness (54%).

Further evaluation found that 60% of the patients had some degree of mental impairment, such as diminished short-term memory, difficulty remembering names and problems with decision-making and daily planning.

Of the 135 patients who answered questions about employment, 102 had worked fulltime before getting sick, but only 55 -- roughly half -- continued working afterward.

Also, the researchers found the biggest trigger of symptoms was physical exertion (reported by 86% of patients), followed by stress (69%), dehydration (49%) and weather changes (37%).

Infectious disease expert Dr. Marc Siegel said he's particularly concerned by the changes in cognitive, or mental, ability.
COVID-19 can cause inflammation in the brain, which can affect thinking, he said.

"Inflammation is a second disease. It can cause deterioration to the central nervous system directly, even white matter changes," said Siegel, a clinical professor of medicine at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York City.

Siegel, who wasn't part of the study, thinks COVID-19 has more effects on thinking and memory than other viruses. "I think that you're going to find cognitive effects more and more. The question is how long it lasts," he said.

He also said COVID-19 vaccination, even after suffering from the disease, might help prevent long COVID.
"There's some evidence, although I can't call this proof yet, that being vaccinated after COVID helps reduce long COVID," Siegel said. This can help rev up your immune system and decrease the amount of virus in your body, he explained.

The report was published Oct. 20 online in the American Journal of Physical and Rehabilitation Medicine.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Epstein-Barr virus reactivation may be the cause of long COVID symptoms

Reviewed by Emily Henderson, B.Sc.Jun 23 2021
Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) reactivation resulting from the inflammatory response to coronavirus infection may be the cause of previously unexplained long COVID symptoms -- such as fatigue, brain fog, and rashes -- that occur in approximately 30% of patients after recovery from initial COVID-19 infection. The first evidence linking EBV reactivation to long COVID, as well as an analysis of long COVID prevalence, is outlined in a new long COVID study published in the journal Pathogens.

We ran EBV antibody tests on recovered COVID-19 patients, comparing EBV reactivation rates of those with long COVID symptoms to those without long COVID symptoms. The majority of those with long COVID symptoms were positive for EBV reactivation, yet only 10% of controls indicated reactivation."
Jeffrey E. Gold, Lead Study Author, World Organization
The researchers began by surveying 185 randomly selected patients recovered from COVID-19 and found that 30.3% had long term symptoms consistent with long COVID after initial recovery from SARS-CoV-2 infection. This included several patients with initially asymptomatic COVID-19 cases who later went on to develop long COVID symptoms.

The researchers then found, in a subset of 68 COVID-19 patients randomly selected from those surveyed, that 66.7% of long COVID subjects versus 10% of controls were positive for EBV reactivation based on positive EBV early antigen-diffuse (EA-D) IgG or EBV viral capsid antigen (VCA) IgM titers. The difference was significant (p < 0.001, Fisher's exact test).


"We found similar rates of EBV reactivation in those who had long COVID symptoms for months, as in those with long COVID symptoms that began just weeks after testing positive for COVID-19," said coauthor David J. Hurley, PhD, a professor and molecular microbiologist at the University of Georgia. "This indicated to us that EBV reactivation likely occurs simultaneously or soon after COVID-19 infection."

The relationship between SARS-CoV-2 and EBV reactivation described in this study opens up new possibilities for long COVID diagnosis and treatment. The researchers indicated that it may be prudent to test patients newly positive for COVID-19 for evidence of EBV reactivation indicated by positive EBV EA-D IgG, EBV VCA IgM, or serum EBV DNA tests. If patients show signs of EBV reactivation, they can be treated early to reduce the intensity and duration of EBV replication, which may help inhibit the development of long COVID.

"As evidence mounts supporting a role for EBV reactivation in the clinical manifestation of acute COVID-19, this study further implicates EBV in the development of long COVID," said Lawrence S. Young, PhD, a virologist at the University of Warwick, and Editor-in-Chief of Pathogens. "If a direct role for EBV reactivation in long COVID is supported by further studies, this would provide opportunities to improve the rational diagnosis of this condition and to consider the therapeutic value of anti-herpesvirus agents such as ganciclovir."

Source:
World Organization
Journal reference:
Gold, J.E., et al. (2021) Investigation of Long COVID Prevalence and Its Relationship to Epstein-Barr Virus Reactivation. Pathogens. doi.org/10.3390/pathogens10060763.

 

Anrol5

Inactive
Here's an article on 'Long Covid' the symptoms of which I still have exhaustion since December 2019.

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He also said COVID-19 vaccination, even after suffering from the disease, might help prevent long COVID.
"There's some evidence, although I can't call this proof yet, that being vaccinated after COVID helps reduce long COVID," Siegel said. This can help rev up your immune system and decrease the amount of virus in your body, he explained.

The report was published Oct. 20 online in the American Journal of Physical and Rehabilitation Medicine.
Further to your article.
There was one small study, that showed vaccinating long Covid patients often improved their symptoms. More research is needed.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Yours, Longbulls, somewherepress, TidesofTruth, blueinterceptor, etc. your lack of sympathy to those who have gotten permanently sick with Covid is breath taking.

Covid affects every organ in the body, and some leave scars. From unexplained skin rashes to early death from heart disease. Or perhaps you are unable to think as your brain is affected. Maybe modify your diet as your kidneys can't handle certain foods. etc.

The problem is that Long Covid can affect one or more organs, and that makes it so difficult to diagnose. Also standard tools don't work. If someone is claiming they are always out of breath, a standard lung X-Ray shows nothing. Do a gas transfer CT scan, much much more expensive, and time consuming, and their problems show up. Working lungs light up like a Christmas tree. Long Covid lungs are dark. It will take years to work out what has happened to people's bodies. We still have not worked out what causes known disease like ME or Fibromyalgia. We know what causes lyme disease, but it is difficult to diagnose.

So Long Covid will take a long time to work out,

Currently Covid kills on average 1% of those who get it. And leave 2.5% permanently disabled, which makes the 1.6 million people permanently disabled look like a small number.

Anrol
A few is heartbreaking! 1.6 million is simply a statistic. The former breeds sympathy as it should, but few have any sympathy for statistics.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I think I may have gotten the Covid 2 weeks ago. It was horrible for about 3-4 days. Not sure where I was during that time. Wife said I went to work. Nothing got done for sure.

I felt week for about a week after that, but back to normal now.

Never been jabbed.

I can see many who have been jabbed having symptoms for weeks / months, but anyone trying to feed a family will find the energy.

People now are looking for excuses.

Can't blame them as who really wants to work all day to support those who do not.
 

subnet

Boot
Every time I got sick it never went away in a few days. In some cases it developed into Bronchitis. I went to work blowing, coughing, hacking, etc., but nobody cared. I think now, with whatever you have, people care - a lot.. Consequently, maybe folks are staying home until they are clear of symptoms, and sometimes it takes a while… :kaid:
Question i have is, how are people paying their bills if they are not working..I mean, if they all found and endless supply of money, I'd like to know the secret.
 
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