GOV/MIL 9/15 Biden to Announce National Security Initiative 5pm

[AlfaMan]

Nuclear POWERED and nuclear ARMED are two entirely different things. We have nuclear powered, conventionally armed boats in our fleet.

Should have clarified myself. I was talking proliferation in terms of the reactors onboard. US navy reactors have a bunch of proprietary technology, they use a naval reactor fuel which is enriched more than that used by a nuclear power plant, etc.

That's what I meant by proliferation. The UK has nuclear subs but if I remember correctly; the UK designed and built the reactors for them by themselves.

Are we handing over naval reactor designs to the Australian government?

 

[phloydius]

Are we handing over naval reactor designs to the Australian government?

Honestly, it sort of sounded like we were.
There was talk of sharing technology, scientists, and knowledge (at the very beginning).

 

[bw]

Are we handing over naval reactor designs to the Australian government?

I'm ok with sharing with the Aussies, in spite of how their politics is going. But I'm concerned that this might in fact be laundering our designs through Australia to get them to the Chinese.

 

[Caplock50]

Probably trying for "vielleicht", meaning Perhaps.

Thanks.

 

[greysage]

The give away of military hardware and technology continues. Here China take these.

 

[mecoastie]

I'm ok with sharing with the Aussies, in spite of how their politics is going. But I'm concerned that this might in fact be laundering our designs through Australia to get them to the Chinese.

I am not OK with sharing any of our submarine technology with anyone.

 

[greysage]

Coincidently they trotskied out their story of President Trump going rogue with nukes the day before they announce this slight of hand transfer of nuclear submarines.

 

[Hi-D]

I'm ok with sharing with the Aussies, in spite of how their politics is going. But I'm concerned that this might in fact be laundering our designs through Australia to get them to the Chinese.

Yea, they are British subjects so nothing could go wrong.

 

[Samuel Adams]

Drink everytime Joe says “and uh”.

Not sure, but I think my liver just threatened me.

Yeah. I’ll be doin’ water.....in small shots.......

 

[The Hammer]

This is in addition to our tech and intel sharing agreement with our good buddies the Taliban?

 

[mrrk1562]

Didn't our side of of the nuclear weapons treaty place a limit on how many nuclear submarines we could have .

 

[lanningro]

Misdirection

 

[Housecarl]

I've posted before on the subject of SSKs vs SSNs in RAN service. That they're pulling the trigger on it finally is one thing (devil in the details of course), but there are also a lot of other defense projects on going between the three countries.

Making this big of a deal makes me wonder what's being distracted from or is this just a propaganda exercise in the grand scheme of things.

 

[LibertyMom]

I wanted to watch, got busy and tried to tune in a bit late but it was already over. What was the big announcement? Sharing tech and resources with Australia? Why did that require a big press conference? And why did the Aussie leaders need to rush to Canberra over this? This is utterly confusing.

 

[John Green]

I wanted to watch, got busy and tried to tune in a bit late but it was already over. What was the big announcement? Sharing tech and resources with Australia? Why did that require a big press conference? And why did the Aussie leaders need to rush to Canberra over this? This is utterly confusing.

See post 92

 

[LibertyMom]

See post 92

Well, yeah, I figured. But somehow I thought they would try to make it convincing.

 

[Housecarl]

I wanted to watch, got busy and tried to tune in a bit late but it was already over. What was the big announcement? Sharing tech and resources with Australia? Why did that require a big press conference? And why did the Aussie leaders need to rush to Canberra over this? This is utterly confusing.

From the Australian end of it the "big deal" is the amount of jobs, money, contracts and relations with the EU involved. That makes this a very big domestic political event.

The "quick and dirty" way to jump start this would be some kind of transfer of SSNs from the USN to the RAN, like from LA 688 class boats that were laid up due to budget reasons (not doing their mid-life refueling and upgrades).

That all being said, it's not something you do over night....

 

[Ping Jockey]

Not being mean here, but are you talking about the Frog Subs or the U.S. subs. We don't have a very good track record lately.

We never do talk about the capabilities of our boats; opsec. It’s why it’s called the, “Silent Service”.

 

[sssarawolf]

So really straight to China.

 

[phloydius]

I wanted to watch, got busy and tried to tune in a bit late but it was already over. What was the big announcement? Sharing tech and resources with Australia? Why did that require a big press conference? And why did the Aussie leaders need to rush to Canberra over this? This is utterly confusing.

You should be able to use the youtube link in Post #1 to watch it. It was VERY short. It starts about 13m15s in...

 

[Groucho]

I'm sure the military industrial complex is pleased. This will replace the monies lost on the Afghanistan debacle.

 

[mecoastie]

Didn't our side of of the nuclear weapons treaty place a limit on how many nuclear submarines we could have .

How many ballistic missile subs we could have not regular SSNs.

 

[danielboon]

I'm sure the military industrial complex is pleased. This will replace the monies lost on the Afghanistan debacle.

INDEED

 

[Dobbin]

Owner would go on at length about the hi-jacking of nuclear technology by the CCP.

Like Westinghouse wanted to have various parts of the AP1000 nuclear reactors to be built in this country to be made in China - yunno - to save labor costs.

The problem with having anything made by China is you sign "rights" to the design over to them, and they're allowed to compete directly with you USING your own design. Same game played with almost ANYTHING formerly made in the US but now made in China. Like Briggs & Stratton, Stihl, Cummins Diesel, VW.

Like China making the components - one for you, two for us.

Like China copying the drawings, putting their own name-label on the corner, and then "upgrading" the design to create the CP1500 reactor design (same thing that Westinghouse had in mind for the US except it would be called "uprate" and do 1200MW.)

China is no follower of "intellectual property rights." Any more than they are followers of individual property right.

Dobbin

 

[psychgirl]

I wanted to watch, got busy and tried to tune in a bit late but it was already over. What was the big announcement? Sharing tech and resources with Australia? Why did that require a big press conference? And why did the Aussie leaders need to rush to Canberra over this? This is utterly confusing.

I’m with ya!
Just got home from work and trying to find a summary or anything as to what happened.

 

[psychgirl]

See post 92

No, for real. Not some quip.

 

[phloydius]

I’m with ya!
Just got home from work and trying to find a summary or anything as to what happened.

You should be able to use the youtube link in Post #1 to watch it. It was VERY short. It starts about 13m15s in...

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

and they want us gone. dead.

They'll get their wish soon enough. The question is where are each of us going? Up? Or down?

 

[mecoastie]

From the Australian end of it the "big deal" is the amount of jobs, money, contracts and relations with the EU involved. That makes this a very big domestic political event.

The "quick and dirty" way to jump start this would be some kind of transfer of SSNs from the USN to the RAN, like from LA 688 class boats that were laid up due to budget reasons (not doing their mid-life refueling and upgrades).

That all being said, it's not something you do over night....

We have no 688s laid up. And we have no free docks to build subs for the Aussies. We cant even get enough spare parts for our current fleet. I dont see how they are going to have an SSN in even 10 years. They havent built a sub in 15 years and never built a nuke.

 

[psychgirl]

You should be able to use the youtube link in Post #1 to watch it. It was VERY short. It starts about 13m15s in...

Thank you

 

[Housecarl]

We have no 688s laid up. And we have no free docks to build subs for the Aussies. We cant even get enough spare parts for our current fleet. I dont see how they are going to have an SSN in even 10 years. They havent built a sub in 15 years and never built a nuke.

According to a quick Google search, one the Bremerton, was just taken out of service in May and there are one or two more older boats that haven't gone into the "recycle" process yet, like the Olympia.

 

[glennb6]

they claim nuclear powered but not armed. and in the event things get dicey, how easy would it be for the ussa technical 'advisors' to replace the armaments?

I also think this obvious on the surface announcement was a nothing-burger. In today's world announcing plans to equip a friendly nation with better powered subs is not a huge national security announcement. And if it really was one, it would not be in the news.. What agreements were made behind the scenes were the real issue.

 

[ohiohippie]

They'll get their wish soon enough. The question is where are each of us going? Up? Or down?

Up!

 

[psychgirl]

Up!

I’ve been thinking about you. And praying

 

[mecoastie]

According to a quick Google search, one the Bremerton, was just taken out of service in May and there are one or two more older boats that haven't gone into the "recycle" process yet, like the Olympia.

Chances are those boats are already stripped of almost any part that is still worth anything. Both those hulls are 40 years old or more and have met their dive cycle life.

 

[ohiohippie]

I’ve been thinking about you. And praying

TY!

 

[et2]

Joe is giving billions away of our military equipment. Right out of the Commie playbook. Next our guns. He’s cutting off our nuts.

 

[vestige]

Joe is giving billions away of our military equipment. Right out of the Commie playbook. Next our guns. He’s cutting off our nuts.

His nuts go first.

Right behind the ears

 

[Housecarl]

Chances are those boats are already stripped of almost any part that is still worth anything. Both those hulls are 40 years old or more and have met their dive cycle life.

Understood.

 

[Profit of Doom]

Who wants a submarine that’s programmed to run away?

Or drop it’s torpedoes?