MSM 5 year old little girl shot and killed by an idiot with a Machine Gun

BigFootsCousin

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GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) -- A 5-year-old girl was killed and a woman wounded in Grants Pass after an assault rifle went off and shot them in an upstairs room of an apartment, police said.

A 30-year-old transient who was visiting the apartment was arraigned Friday on charges of manslaughter, assault and illegal possession of a machine gun, Chief Deputy District Attorney Lisa Turner said. The manslaughter charge alleges the killing was reckless, not intentional.

Police said Jon Andrew Meyer Jr. was arrested Thursday night at the scene.

The name of his court-appointed attorney was not immediately available.

Bail was set at $250,000, Turner said.

The district attorney's information charging Meyer identified the girl who was killed as Alyssa Bobbit, and the woman who was wounded as Karen Hancock.

Turner said she could not divulge the make and model of the rifle, who owned it, or whether it was manufactured as a fully automatic weapon or modified later.

Police said Meyer was in a downstairs room of the apartment when the rifle went off there, and the girl and the woman were upstairs in the same apartment. The woman was not related to the girl, whose mother was also in the apartment but not shot, Turner said.

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Link: http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jun/29/oregon-child-5-killed-by-machine-gun-shot/
 
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blackjeep

blackjeep

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The title should read: 5 year old little girl shot and killed by an idiot with a machine gun.
 
Hognutz

Hognutz

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Prolly one of the missing Gubermint machineguns........Park Service, iirc, around 1400 went missing..
 
Meadowlark

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amarilla said:
A rifle doesn't just "go off." Someone pulled the trigger.

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Not quite. You can fire a chambered round in the AK simply by taking the dust cover off and rotating the safety lever vertical. The Japanese 8mm nambu can accidently fire if you are not carefull with the safety. There are other examples.
 
mistaken1

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.... or illegally modified.

An illegally modified semi-auto rifle could be poorly done so that dropping it could cause it to fire uncontrollably until the magazine is emptied (or even just the process of chambering a round where the bolt slamming a round into the chamber would start the automatic cycle where it would continue until the magazine empties).
 
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amarilla

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My point is still it doesn't "just go off." You've said you have to take off the cover and rotate. Then it might go off. But guns don't just "go off" without someone or something doing an action. The human in this case chose to interact with the gun. The human either intentionally or unintentionally caused the death.

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Siskiyoumom

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A firearms instructor I know told me that there are no accidental discharges. They are negligent discharges caused by the individual who did not clear the chambers correctly. He suggested that when clearing your weapon you do it into your gun case to prevent a round from going through an apartment/home wall or roof.
 
BigFootsCousin

BigFootsCousin

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amarilla said:
My point is still it doesn't "just go off." You've said you have to take off the cover and rotate. Then it might go off. But guns don't just "go off" without someone or something doing an action. The human in this case chose to interact with the gun. The human either intentionally or unintentionally caused the death.

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I've heard two different scenarios about how this happened, one was that he accidently dropped it on the stairs and it went off, the other is that he slammed the buttstock down on a table and it then went off. He also reportedly was trying to impress or show off to some of his friends.

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amarilla

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Dropping the gun still means the gun didn't "just go off." Someone or something acted upon it. Slamming it on a table, same thing. Guns do nothing by themselves.

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HighStrung

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I took a couple of my guns and laid them on the table just to double check yet again. Darnedest thing, they didn't go off on their own, I'm willing to bet they could stay right there and never go off on their own. Without the action of an outside source guns do not go off on their own. Accidental discharge, negligent discharge, extreme screw up.....what ever you call it, it generally had human interaction.
 
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Garryowen

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Siskiyoumom said:
A firearms instructor I know told me that there are no accidental discharges. They are negligent discharges caused by the individual who did not clear the chambers correctly. He suggested that when clearing your weapon you do it into your gun case to prevent a round from going through an apartment/home wall or roof.
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What kind of gun case does this guy use? I have never heard of such a thing.
 
GingerN

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amarilla said:
My point is still it doesn't "just go off." You've said you have to take off the cover and rotate. Then it might go off. But guns don't just "go off" without someone or something doing an action. The human in this case chose to interact with the gun. The human either intentionally or unintentionally caused the death.

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A properly maintained gun does not. A pos can. My dad was bringing in several guns that a trading buddy was showing to him. He set a 12 guage down on the buttstock and it went off, blowing a hole in the ceiling of my living room. Had Daddy not moved as he set the gun down, it would have blown a hole in him too.

I am sorry for the little girl's family though What an awful thing to lose a child.
 
mrrk1562

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me I feel that a semi auto should never ever be turned into something that it is not ..I like my eyes and fingers and my face .I also feel that there are no such thing as a ad ..dumb ass gives the rest of us a very bad name ..I have been shot at a few times not on purpose ..out hunting it aint fun ..during deer camp if there is a beer in my I am done handling my firearm ..it is unloaded chamber clear and put in a rack ..
 
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LYoung8

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A real shame to hear this stuff. Really gives all the law abiding folks a bad name. Plus just think of how the little girls family feels. He most likely wouldn't have been breathing if it had been one of mine. Just saying...
 
Dennis Olson

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Personally, with the exception of belt-fed tripod-mounted guns, I see no use for a full-auto rifle. Spray-and-pray never works anyway. It just wastes ammo.
 
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What kind of gun case does this guy use? I have never heard of such a thing.

Not just any case, but a SafeDirection case, lined with Kevlar... the instructor should have been VERY clear on that. A basic gun case WILL NOT stop a bullet.
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