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BigFootsCousin

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5 Places World War III Could Start in 2023​

Story by Robert Farley • 3h ago

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A 19FortyFive Tradition - We Look at Where World War III Could Start As We Prepare for 2023 - In 2022, the world came closer to Great Power War than at any point since the end of the Cold War.

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Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, an attack that almost immediately resulted in a combination of sanctions and direct military support for Kyiv. By early spring, the United States and its allies were pursuing policies that would result in the death of Russian soldiers, the destruction of Russian military equipment, and the long-term degradation of the Russian economy. The war has had a ripple effect on the world stage, dramatically increasing the stakes of disputes that have quietly smoldered for decades.
These five areas pose the greatest risk for the eruption of what we might be tempted to call “World War III.”

Ukraine​

Concern that Russia might use nuclear weapons to restore its flagging fortunes in Ukraine seems to have declined since summer, as the war has settled into a destructive stalemate. However, escalation remains a concern. Russia’s inability to make progress may threaten the stability of the Putin government, inclining Moscow to contemplate dangerous escalation. Concerns over the ability of Ukraine to continue the war in the long-term might force Kyiv to take risky steps of its own to break the stalemate.

An expansion of the war to NATO remains unlikely but possible; the Russian use of nuclear weapons remains unthinkable but not at all impossible.
The Biden administration and its allies in Europe have taken extraordinary care with the risks of escalation, but Washington does not hold all of the cards and either Kyiv or Moscow might become willing to accept the risk of a wider conflict, a conflict that could develop into World War III.

Taiwan​

Worry about the immediacy of war between Taiwan and China has waned a bit in the past months, in large part because of China’s catastrophic covid experience. However, there is little doubt that cross-strait tensions remain significant. The willingness of the Biden administration to take risky rhetorical positions on the defense of Taiwan indicates that Washington has real concern over the prospects of a Chinese attack. At the same time, these statements (and unwise stunts such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taipei) run the risk of triggering Chinese escalation.
Fortunately, there is good reason to believe that we will have some warning of war; as was the case along the Ukrainian border, Chinese preparation for conflict would be glaringly visible to everyone concerned. Almost any imaginable conflict, however, would end up including the United States and very likely Japan, and would thus constitute a great power war.

Greece-Turkey​

Lost in all of the discussion of the revitalization of NATO in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has been a simmering crisis on the alliance’s southern flank. Over the past year tensions between Greece and Turkey have increased substantially, driven in large part by Turkey’s assertive foreign policy turn and by the domestic vulnerability of the Erdogan regime. Disputes between Athens and Ankara over energy exploration in the Aegean have driven the current tension, although the territorial disagreement underlying the argument have existed for decades.
While it seems unlikely that a NATO ally would openly attack another NATO ally, past conflicts have brought the two countries up to the brink of war (and sometimes slightly beyond) notwithstanding their alliance commitments. Any fight between Turkey and Greece would immediately involve NATO, and would almost certainly result in some degree of opportunistic intervention by Russia.

Korean Peninsula​

Over the past several months tensions between Seoul and Pyongyang have grown steadily, with North Korean provocations (often themselves driven by the Kim regime’s idiosyncratic and cryptic assessments of the international environment) incurring aggressive rhetorical responses from the South. The dynamic between the two states seems driven by impatience; an impatience in the North that the world still refuses to take it seriously despite its magnificent nuclear weapons, and an impatience in the South that a nation of great significance remains burdened by its inept and retrograde sibling.
These tensions aren’t new, but historically they have been constrained by the Cold War and by the post-Cold War liberal international order. The first is gone and the second is fraying, to the extent that Pyongyang may feel like it has a moment and Seoul may struggle to find the patience to tolerate the antics of its neighbor. If war does break out it could rapidly become more destructive than the Russia-Ukraine War, with conventional and nuclear weapons exacting a horrific toll on both sides.

China-India​

Sporadic fighting between China and India continues on the Roof of the World. Although the real stakes of control over small slivers of territory in nearly uninhabitable mountain terrain remain elusive, neither China nor India have backed away from the conflict. While fighting has thus far remained quite limited, the desire to defend national prestige can rapidly become poisonous for even the wisest and most sensible leaders.
Whether Modi and Xi fit such a description is a question for another day, but the governments that they lead have not managed to find a way to resolve the conflict. At some point either the Indians or the Chinese might be tempted to solve the problem through escalation, a step that could work as intended, or that could open the door to a much larger and more destructive conflict.

Pray World War III Never Happens​

It remains unlikely that any of these disputes will develop into a global conflict, although the Ukraine War already has some aspects of great power war. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has, if nothing else, demonstrated that major wars can still happen despite the best efforts of the international community. Maintaining peace requires careful statesmanship; managing escalation during war requires extraordinary skill.

We can hope that the leaders of the world’s great powers will take care over the coming year with the vast stockpiles of weapons that they control.
19FortyFive's Defense and National Security Contributing Editor, Dr. Robert Farley has taught security and diplomacy courses at the Patterson School since 2005. He received his BS from the University of Oregon in 1997, and his Ph. D. from the University of Washington in 2004. Dr. Farley is the author of Grounded: The Case for Abolishing the United States Air Force (University Press of Kentucky, 2014), the Battleship Book (Wildside, 2016), Patents for Power: Intellectual Property Law and the Diffusion of Military Technology (University of Chicago, 2020), and most recently Waging War with Gold: National Security and the Finance Domain Across the Ages (Lynne Rienner, 2023). He has contributed extensively to a number of journals and magazines, including the National Interest, the Diplomat: APAC, World Politics Review, and the American Prospect. Dr. Farley is also a founder and senior editor of Lawyers, Guns and Money.
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2dollarbill

Veteran Member
What about the Mideast?

Especially with Iran at or close to having nuclear weapons?
Interesting RB, that was always the hot spot since I was a child. Now, Israel and the Saudis have a "relationship" thanks to the Abraham Accords. I also believe that extended throughout the middle east leaving out Iran of coarse, which, the rest of the countries friendly to each other might gang up on Iran if they get a little to frosty. That may keep a lid on things,
who knows?

2db
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
It could start anywhere. Watch the liquidity and financial conditions of the western Central Banks for timing. BRICS+ financial initiation which destroys the Euro, US, Canadian and Aussie fiat currency will be the ignition. The flash point will be one of convenience and 'believability' for the masses which best hides the Central Bank involvement.
 

BigFootsCousin

Molon Labe!
What about the Mideast?

Especially with Iran at or close to having nuclear weapons?
Interesting thought. I wonder why the article left them out? As everyone knows, Iran is providing Missiles, Drones, Arms etc to Russia right now, to help them in their war against Ukraine. IMO, we *Should* include Iran in this discussion about WWIII.

BFC
 

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
I opened this thread praying...."Don't say Alaska, don't say Alaska..." Sounds ego-centric but there's a lot going on when Rus is only a handful of miles away (yeah, can't see it from my backyard *as Sarah never said*), but it's in the neighborhood.

Would that the wolves in DC faced what the rest of us do - due to their incompetence/malfeasance. I do very much appreciate all the info you good folks share here.
 

BigFootsCousin

Molon Labe!
I opened this thread praying...."Don't say Alaska, don't say Alaska..." Sounds ego-centric but there's a lot going on when Rus is only a handful of miles away (yeah, can't see it from my backyard *as Sarah never said*), but it's in the neighborhood.

Would that the wolves in DC faced what the rest of us do - due to their incompetence/malfeasance. I do very much appreciate all the info you good folks share here.
Yup, you're quite right. The Russians DO want to evict you, as well as every other Alaskan up there. Their TV pundits talk about it all the time on their shows. Heck, even one of their Generals I believe said the same thing. They still to this day consider Alaska theirs, and act like it has been stolen from them.

BFC
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They don’t need “WWIII”.


The propaganda/ever-tightening restrictions on the lungs of humanity is working perfectly.


The only reason they would need a “WWIII” is if Americans once again grew a pair.



Color me skeptical.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I opened this thread praying...."Don't say Alaska, don't say Alaska..." Sounds ego-centric but there's a lot going on when Rus is only a handful of miles away (yeah, can't see it from my backyard *as Sarah never said*), but it's in the neighborhood.

Would that the wolves in DC faced what the rest of us do - due to their incompetence/malfeasance. I do very much appreciate all the info you good folks share here.
I used to go the queen charlotte islands, in BC..

they are called haida gwai (sp) now.

I COULD see alaska from there.

beautiful place.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
'When all else fails they take you to war' as Gerald Celente has opined for years. We are in a forth turning time which usually involves huge conflagrations like WWII and we are at the end of the currency life cycle not just the US dollar but virtually all fiat currencies and all at the same time with the entire world being so in debt to the bankers it can never be paid back.

Somethings gonna break badly this time around.
 

Txkstew

Veteran Member
I've always thought India and Pakistan was the most likely place to go hot. They have been like two snarling dogs for over 75 years. I can see an exchange of 30 nukes in a matter of hours.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I've always thought India and Pakistan was the most likely place to go hot. They have been like two snarling dogs for over 75 years. I can see an exchange of 30 nukes in a matter of hours.

won't be going at it with China waiting for an excuse to attack India - that's the secondary front if China rolls in the Pacific ....

doubt if Pakistan wants to admit it - but they get involved whether they want to or not - China won't be observing national borders in any attacks
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In many ways, WW3 already started. So, the real manifestation of WW3 will happen in the place not mentioned above. Here it is: America. The United States.

Russia has already counted the lost lives and money they have experienced in Ukraine, Afghanistan, Syria and other little places around the world. They won't forget those. And the bear has been awakened by NATO and US acts of war against Russia. The threats of UK, Germany, etc are only real threats when backed by the US. Sooo..... the first target for Russia (and China) will be the US. Hit the US to disable the big bully and the others will easily fall.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
The ZUSA was pretty much exhausted. And the troop level expectation was it wouldn't be over till 47 or 48.
 

ivantherussian03

Veteran Member
I opened this thread praying...."Don't say Alaska, don't say Alaska..." Sounds ego-centric but there's a lot going on when Rus is only a handful of miles away (yeah, can't see it from my backyard *as Sarah never said*), but it's in the neighborhood.

Would that the wolves in DC faced what the rest of us do - due to their incompetence/malfeasance. I do very much appreciate all the info you good folks share here.
Why not Alaska, like Crimea Alaska is claimed by Russia as a lost province. Plus, it does not get much press, but Russia has been claiming Alaska was not sold but leased, and lease has expired.
 

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
Why not Alaska; like Crimea Alaska is claimed by Russia as a lost province. Plus, it does not get much press, but Russia has been claiming Alaska was not sold but leased, and lease has expired.
The US paid Rus an agreed-upon pricel Not a lease. The fact that Rus now regrets the sale has no bearing. Alaska is US

In other news...My sons and I have all had dreams of Russian invasion...FWIW
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I always thought the first nuke war would be Israel hitting Iran's nuke program with tactical nukes. No way is Israel going to allow an Arab nation to arm itself with nukes. They just plain will not allow it.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Add in the Straits of Hormuz. Iran hates everybody, especially the West. Consistent maritime traffic that many in the world depend on. Oil… As Iran’s rulers are insane, expect attacks upon the world’s shipping, and of course, Allied military vessels riding herd on those ships…

OA
 
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