ALERT 2 Alaska Health Workers Got Emergency Treatment After Receiving Pfizer’s Vaccine

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2 Alaska Health Workers Got Emergency Treatment After Receiving Pfizer’s Vaccine

One of the workers, who did not have a history of allergies, remained in the hospital on Wednesday night. Some reactions to the vaccine were also reported last week in Britain.


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Vaccines being prepared in Fargo, N.D., on Monday. The reaction was believed to be similar to the reactions two health workers in Britain experienced after receiving the Pfizer vaccine last week. They both recovered.

Vaccines being prepared in Fargo, N.D., on Monday. The reaction was believed to be similar to the reactions two health workers in Britain experienced after receiving the Pfizer vaccine last week. They both recovered.

Credit...Tim Gruber for The New York Times

By Noah Weiland, Sharon LaFraniere, Mike Baker and Katie Thomas
  • Published Dec. 16, 2020Updated Dec. 17, 2020, 5:42 a.m. ET
Two health care workers at the same hospital in Alaska developed concerning reactions just minutes after receiving Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine this week, including one staff member who was to remain hospitalized until Thursday.

Health officials said that the cases would not disrupt their vaccine rollout plans and that they were sharing the information for the sake of transparency.

The first worker, a middle-aged woman who had no history of allergies, had an anaphylactic reaction that began 10 minutes after receiving the vaccine at Bartlett Regional Hospital in Juneau on Tuesday, a hospital official said. She experienced a rash over her face and torso, shortness of breath and an elevated heart rate.

Dr. Lindy Jones, the hospital’s emergency department medical director, said the worker was first given a shot of epinephrine, a standard treatment for severe allergic reactions. Her symptoms subsided but then re-emerged, and she was treated with steroids and an epinephrine drip.

When doctors tried to stop the drip, her symptoms re-emerged yet again, so the woman was moved to the intensive care unit, observed throughout the night, then weaned off the drip early Wednesday morning, Dr. Jones said.

Dr. Jones had said earlier Wednesday that the woman was set to be discharged in the evening, but the hospital said late Wednesday that she was remaining another night.

The second worker received his shot on Wednesday and developed eye puffiness, lightheadedness and a scratchy throat 10 minutes after the injection, the hospital said in a statement. He was taken to the emergency room and treated with epinephrine, Pepcid and Benadryl, although the hospital said the reaction was not considered anaphylaxis. The worker was back to normal within an hour and released.

The hospital, which had administered 144 total doses as of Wednesday night, said both workers did not want their experiences to have a negative impact on others lining up for the vaccine.

“We have no plans to change our vaccine schedule, dosing or regimen,” Dr. Anne Zink, Alaska’s chief medical officer, said in a statement.

Although the Pfizer vaccine was shown to be safe and about 95 percent effective in a clinical trial involving 44,000 participants, the Alaska cases will likely intensify concerns about possible side effects. Experts said the developments may prompt calls for tighter guidelines to ensure that recipients were carefully monitored for adverse reactions.


Dr. Paul A. Offit, a vaccine expert and member of an outside advisory panel that recommended the Food and Drug Administration authorize the Pfizer vaccine for emergency use, said the appropriate precautions were already in place. For instance, he said, the requirement that recipients remain in place for 15 minutes after getting the vaccine helped ensure the woman was quickly treated.

“I don’t think this means we should pause” vaccine distribution, he said. “Not at all.” But he said researchers need to figure out “what component of the vaccine is causing this reaction.”

Dr. Jay Butler, a top infectious-disease expert with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the Alaska situation showed that the monitoring system worked. The agency has recommended that the vaccine be administered in settings that have supplies, including oxygen and epinephrine, to manage anaphylactic reactions.

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The Alaska woman’s reaction was believed to be similar to the anaphylactic reactions two health workers in Britain experienced after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine last week. Like her, both recovered.

Those cases are expected to come up on Thursday, when F.D.A. scientists are scheduled to meet with the agency’s outside panel of experts to decide whether to recommend that regulators approve Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine for emergency use.

Although the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines are based on the same type of technology and similar in their ingredients, it is not clear whether an allergic reaction to one would occur with the other. Both consist of genetic material called mRNA encased in a bubble of oily molecules called lipids, although they use different combinations of lipids.
Dr. Offit said that in both vaccines, the bubbles are coated with a stabilizing molecule called polyethylene glycol that he considered a “leading contender” for triggering an allergic reaction. He stressed that more investigation was needed.

Pfizer’s trial did not find any serious adverse events caused by the vaccine, although many participants did experience aches, fevers and other side effects. The Alaska reactions were assumed to be related to the vaccine because they occurred so quickly after the shot.

A Pfizer spokeswoman, Jerica Pitts, said the company did not yet have all of the details of the Alaska situation but was working with local health authorities. The vaccine comes with information warning that medical treatment should be available in case of a rare anaphylactic event, she said. “We will closely monitor all reports suggestive of serious allergic reactions following vaccination and update labeling language if needed,” Ms. Pitts said.

After the workers in Britain fell ill, authorities there warned against giving the vaccines to anyone with a history of severe allergic reactions. They later clarified their concerns, changing the wording from “severe allergic reactions” to specify that the vaccine should not be given to anyone who has ever had an anaphylactic reaction to a food, medicine or vaccine. That type of reaction to a vaccine is “very rare,” they said.

Pfizer officials have said the two British people who had the reaction had a history of severe allergies. One, a 49-year-old woman, had a history of egg allergies. The other, a 40-year-old woman, had a history of allergies to several medications.

Both carried EpiPen-like devices to inject themselves with epinephrine in case of such a reaction.

Pfizer has said that its vaccine does not contain egg ingredients.

The British update also said that a third patient had a “possible allergic reaction,” but did not describe it.

In the United States, federal regulators issued a broad authorization for the vaccine on Friday to adults 16 years and older.

Health care providers were warned not to give the vaccine to anyone with a “known history of a severe allergic reaction” to any component of the vaccine, which they said was a standard warning for vaccines.

But because of the British cases, F.D.A. officials have said they would require Pfizer to increase its monitoring for anaphylaxis and submit data on it once the vaccine comes into further use. Pfizer also said the vaccine was recommended to be administered in settings that have access to equipment to manage anaphylaxis. Last weekend, the C.D.C. said people with serious allergies could be safely vaccinated, with close monitoring for 30 minutes after receiving the shot.

Anaphylaxis can be life-threatening, with impaired breathing and drops in blood pressure that usually occur within minutes or even seconds after exposure to a food or medicine, or even a substance like latex to which the person is allergic.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I've been trying to warn people about the high rate of bad reactions but just like everything else they brush it off as a conspiracy theory, ask me a ton of questions about my sources and never accept any of my answers about where to look for them :(

This one is the NY Times so it should be an acceptable source for them, kinda like their need to have CNN as their source of truth.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Not uncommon for a mild-to-middling reaction in some people . My guess is that most of these will be given in a setting with monitoring, where an epi-pen or qualified help is close-by.

These vax are sorta "new tech" and I'd say...get it in a clinic vs. some neighborhood cattle-call or your local Walmart pharmacy.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Only problem with this is that they can still just brush it off as outliers and I can't "prove" that the rate of bad reactions is likely higher than for actually getting COVID itself.

CDC has already stated that survival rate of the vaccine is 95% where as the survival rate of covid is 99%. A 'high school friend' got pissed at me because survival rate does NOT mean recovery from Covid, she was pissed when I pointed out that the same was true for the vaccine! Just because you take it, have a severe reaction, does it mean you'll fully recover, ever!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I'm waiting for the 2nd dose reactions. Won't be pretty.

Yep, agreed. I'm in a Mast cell group on Faceborg and the majority of the members there are freaked out over this vaccine, as most members there ended up with mast cell issues after taking a vaccine, specifically the flu vaccine. Like me now they're allergic to every damned thing, sometimes even the air around me.
 

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Well their little reaction rate for their few little thousand of people is a pathetic excuse for saying it is safe when they will be vaccinating MILLIONS of people in some cases the worst shape ever and not their little study group who never smoked and no problems. My daughter just told me a group she is on, one of the main people who she has followed for a few years said something about a couple of nurses in Oklahoma DIED after the vaccine. No proof or other information but I am going to try to find out more.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
As I wrote somewhere, I have personal knowledge of two "health workers" (all I can say) who had to go to the ER within hours after getting the vaccine (both from different work sites). One had a rash and severe headache. I don't know about the other. Both were treated and sent home and told not to take the second shot. Apparently this info is being kept out of the local news.

Added: one seems to be OK today. I don't know about the other.
 

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
Are you aware of the 59 DEATHS in South Korea during the first week of their vaccination rollout?


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As of October 26, CDC is aware of media reports of 59 deaths in South Korea following flu vaccination with flu vaccines distributed in South Korea. The Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA) reported that most of these deaths involved people in their 70s and 80s. The KDCA has investigated 46 of these deaths and has reported it did not find evidence of a causal association with flu vaccination. Autopsies were performed on most of these 46 people, and all had serious health conditions that could account for the cause of death. Of note, among the total deaths reported so far, there has been no association with anaphylactic shock, a serious allergic reaction that can follow immunization, according to the KDCA. The KDCA has not suspended its flu vaccination program and is continuing its investigation. CDC will continue to monitor this situation closely.
Flu vaccines have been used safely in the United States for decades, with millions of doses given each flu season. Flu vaccines used in the United States are subject to rigorous safety standards and oversight by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). CDC reports that monitoring by the nation’s vaccine safety systems, such as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon and the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), has not detected any safety concerns for deaths following flu vaccinations in the United States at this time, despite about 150 million doses of flu vaccine having been distributed and reports of robust flu vaccine uptake so far this season.
CDC recommends annual flu vaccination for everyone 6 months and older. Getting a flu vaccine is more important than ever during 2020-2021 to protect people from flu, to help reduce the burden on the health care systems responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, and to save medical supplies for care of COVID-19 patients. Everyone 6 months and older should get an annual flu vaccine, and now is a good time to get vaccinated.

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So far I am not being forced to take this vaccine for my job, but being encouraged to do so. I told them "put me in the back of the line." I am observing and saving the documentation about severe reactions.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
I'm waiting for the 2nd dose reactions. Won't be pretty.
And then something wicked this way comes when your immune system comes in contact with SARS Cov-2 in the wild. I believe that was the model that happened before:
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
If I was still working (medical field) I would refuse to take the vaccine. I was allergic and still am to the flu shots, so my doc told me a few months ago when I went in for my 6 month checkup that I was probably allergic to the china virus vaccine too.
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Only problem with this is that they can still just brush it off as outliers and I can't "prove" that the rate of bad reactions is likely higher than for actually getting COVID itself.
Would you not need maybe a 2-3% death rate for vaccination reactions to exceed COVID? Be sure to let us know when the corpses from vaccination start piling up.
 

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Would you not need maybe a 2-3% death rate for vaccination reactions to exceed COVID? Be sure to let us know when the corpses from vaccination start piling up.

I really expect it. They just got vaccines in my local hospital and people here know each other, so if something happens, they cannot hide it. I also type medical reports from 2 other states and I might see something there, but I doubt it. I am hoping family members will spread news if they have a healthcare worker or someone in a nursing home have a reaction to this vaccine.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Be sure to let us know when the corpses from vaccination start piling up

How many people 70 plus years old are still working in health care?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Someones ol man here pulled those numbers from the paperwork
Cant remember who though
Nightwolf aka my husband, and now I'm asking the same question he did: "In America, who will pay these hospital bills?" A couple of days in intensive care isn't cheap, and that is a full "high" level 4 reaction.

Remember what Nightwolf said (more or less - I wrote this part up):

Level 1 - you get a bit of fever, a slight headache but you can probably stay at work.

Level 2 - you feel rather rotten for a few days, fever about 100, a rather sore arm but manageable, you may not feel like working and need to take a day off but you probably can push through and work if you have to.

Level 3 - you feel like death warmed over, your arm may swell twice its size, you have terrible chills, fever may be 104 or 105 perhaps a violent headache and may become dizzy. You may not have to go to the hospital (though sometimes it is a good idea) but you will NOT be working a job, because you are likely to be in bed, with the worst flu-like symptoms you've ever had - and it can on for hours or several days.

Level 4: extreme reactions in danger of death without medical intervention aka ALL the bad allergic reactions, the second guy got lucky (he's the midpoint between a 3 and 4, and Nightwolf noticed there were enough level 3s to make one wonder) anyway in addition to the allergic reactions that can kill, there were lung issues, arms swelling twice or more the size they should be, extreme temperatures (like 105/106) rashes, etc, etc.

Level 5 - we tried by the patient died anyway, there was no level 5's reported by either company but then they didn't report hardly any allergic reactions either.

The other thing he noticed was that Pfitzer didn't list who had what, just the number of each individual symptom; so there is no way to know if one person had both say a horribly swollen arm and a fever of 105 or if that was two different people.

To me, that is also a great way to hide anaphylactic allergic reactions because not everyone gets the hives, not everyone stops breathing, not everyone gets dizzy; some people get all of the above and others only a few of the symptoms but the not breathing one will kill you.

Hope that helps, I think this is all on my vaccine thread on the main and the Tidbits from Nightwolf in the bomb shelter.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Nightwolf aka my husband, and now I'm asking the same question he did: "In America, who will pay these hospital bills?" A couple of days in intensive care isn't cheap, and that is a full "high" level 4 reaction.

Most people (if they are paying attention and not completely incompetent) have SOME kind of hospitalization coverage...even the poorest. The basic is bare-bones Medicare or Medicaid, but they'd cover it.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And if this vaccination suite ends up being a disaster, even down the road, it's all Trump's Fault! (tm)

(the MSM will pound that message home...)

The Vaccine companies are protected from Litigation, and it's well documented how Trump was pushing for a Vaccine so we could re-open the Economy.

Man, they're good at playing "Heads we win, Tails you lose!"
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Are you aware of the 59 DEATHS in South Korea during the first week of their vaccination rollout?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2020-2021/death-south-korea-following-flu-vaccination.htm
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The KDCA has investigated 46 of these deaths and has reported it did not find evidence of a causal association with flu vaccination. Autopsies were performed on most of these 46 people, and all had serious health conditions that could account for the cause of death.

Yet if those people had tested positive for covid then serious health conditions covid would be the cause of death.

Lying sacks of excrement .... may they all receive justice while still on this planet.
 
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bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would rather take my chances with the meds they are giving politicians. Seems like they are safe and work fast.

My DH might receive remdesivir depending on how his pneumonia progresses. I took him to the ER last night and his estimated length of stay is 2-5 days.

I have been offered the monoclonal antibody treatment - 1-hour IV infusion, then one more hour in the hospital to monitor me - but with hubby in the hospital and everyone else in our house sick, I cant see how that would work.

Im just thrilled these treatments are actually available here!
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
My DH might receive remdesivir depending on how his pneumonia progresses. I took him to the ER last night and his estimated length of stay is 2-5 days.

I have been offered the monoclonal antibody treatment - 1-hour IV infusion, then one more hour in the hospital to monitor me - but with hubby in the hospital and everyone else in our house sick, I cant see how that would work.

Im just thrilled these treatments are actually available here!
Good luck and prayers for you and your family.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
My DH might receive remdesivir depending on how his pneumonia progresses. I took him to the ER last night and his estimated length of stay is 2-5 days.

I have been offered the monoclonal antibody treatment - 1-hour IV infusion, then one more hour in the hospital to monitor me - but with hubby in the hospital and everyone else in our house sick, I cant see how that would work.

Im just thrilled these treatments are actually available here!
Keeping you and your family in my prayers bev.
 

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
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