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coalcracker

Veteran Member
…he was killed in a motorcycle accident. I mean, yea, that constitutes ‘died suddenly’. But we all know what ‘sudden/unknown’ *really* means, whether people know a persons vaccination status or not.
In that case, he must’ve died of Covid. :angl:

Yes, we get some of these wrong. The sad truth is that the media has censored not only the anti-vax perspective, but they are now also ignoring the statistical evidence that young people have been dropping over dead in unprecedented numbers. No MSM stories about that. All we currently have are the inferences that we can make from the numerous obituaries.

It is a very disturbing truth. Genocide always is. It is especially difficult for those of us who may be starting to realize that we ourselves have mistakenly boarded this particular train to Auschwitz.

May we all find the courage to face this evil.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
On a side note on my way home yesterday a man collapsed on the airplane
He had chest pains.and they had to have paramedics take him off the plane before any one could get off.it was fortunate that there was a doctor on the plane. Hopefully he will be ok
 

Southside

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‘Mamma Mia!’ and ‘Wicked’ star dead at 40​



By
Samantha Ibrahim




Broadway actor Chris Peluso has died at the age of 40.
The stage star — best known for his roles in “Mamma Mia” and “Wicked” — died suddenly Aug. 15. The sad news was confirmed by his family to Playbill, but no cause of death has yet been revealed.
Peluso is survived by his wife Jessica Gomes, and their two children, Aria Li and Caio Lian.
His alma mater, the University of Michigan, shared an emotional tribute to the entertainer earlier this week.
“The Michigan Musical Theatre family is heartbroken as we announce the passing of our dear family member/alum, the loving, charismatic, and divinely gifted Chris Peluso,” Linda Goodrich, interim chair of the school’s musical theatre program penned on Instagram. “Our hearts go out to his family.”



Peluso had many stage acting credits to his name, including the Broadway productions of “Assassins,” “Lestat,” “The Glorious Ones” and “Beautiful: The Carole King Musical.”

Chris Peluso Broadway actor Chris Peluso died suddenly on Aug. 15.David M. Benett Eva Noblezada and Chris Peluso performing in the Miss Saigon musical at West End Live 2015 in London. Eva Noblezada and Chris Peluso performing in the Miss Saigon musical at West End Live 2015 in London.Paul Brown/Shutterstock
However, his biggest roles were as Sky in “Mamma Mia!” and Fiyero in “Wicked.


Peluso also traveled across the pond to London’s West End, where he appeared in plays such as “Funny Girl,” “Show Boat,” “Miss Saigon” and “The Woman in White.


The performer’s passing came months after it was announced that he was suffering from schizoaffective disorder.


The illness is categorized as a “mental health disorder that is defined as being a combination of schizophrenia symptoms, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorder symptoms, such as depression or mania,” according to the Mayo Clinic.

Chris Peluso Peluso is survived by his wife Jessica Gomes, and their two children, Aria Li and Caio Lian.Corbis via Getty Images
The performer's passing came months after it was announced that he was suffering from schizoaffective disorder.
The performer’s passing came months after it was announced that he was suffering from schizoaffective disorder.David M. Benett
In September 2022, a GoFundMe page was created for Peluso that asked fans for donations for his mental wellness treatment.


The post mentioned that his diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder had “resulted in Chris experiencing debilitating paranoia, which has kept him from performing in recent years.”


Contributions were paused two months later and over $25,000 was raised at the time. Peluso noted on the page that his treatment had concluded and was doing better.

Chris Peluso Chris Peluso and Gina Beck bow at the curtain call during the press night performance of “Show Boat” at The New London Theatre, Drury Lane, on April 25, 2016.David M. Benett

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“I’m able to hold down a job again and even began taping some auditions,” he wrote. “It’s going to be a life long process of going to therapy and working with doctors but I’m so much better than I was before treatment.”



He continued: “It really means the world to me to have such incredible support from you all. None of this progress would have been possible without you.”
 

Southside

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New Jersey police officer, father-to-be dies of sudden cardiac arrest while exercising​


Published August 3, 2023

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FOX 29 Philadelphia

New Jersey police officer, father-to-be dies of sudden cardiac arrest while exercising​


A New Jersey family and police department are mourning the sudden and tragic loss of a young officer who died of cardiac arrest while exercising.

COLUMBUS, N.J. - A New Jersey family and police department are mourning the sudden and tragic loss of a young officer who died of cardiac arrest while exercising.

Sam Irvin, 23, collapsed while running sprints at his fiancé's family's farm in Columbus, New Jersey. An autopsy showed Sam had an enlarged heart, and his sudden death was unpreventable.

"His heart just stopped, and they said it happened within seconds, so he didn't feel pain," Sam's fiancé Mackenzie Santucci said. "Probably the most traumatic day of my life."

Family members say Sam was in great shape and never had any health problems. He graduated police academy and was an officer with the Mansfield Police Department.

"It was really unexpected," Sam's mother Deb said. "He just went through the police academy, and he ran 300 miles in those 20 weeks at the academy."

Sam and Mackenzie were high school sweethearts, dated though college, and recently became engaged at the end of May. The couple recently found out they were expecting their first child.

"I'm 11 weeks pregnant, so I get to carry a little piece of him my whole life," Mackenzie said. "I think that has helped me get through everything."

Deb called her son "a joy" and his father remembered Sam's kindheartedness.

Mackenzie's sister set up a GoFundMe page to help with expenses for the baby that's due next February. The family has been overwhelmed by the generosity of friends and complete strangers.

"I couldn't say thank you enough," Mackenzie said. "Sam was literally perfect, if you could think of a perfect human, it was him."
 

StarryEyedLad

désespéré pour le ciel
Two men die in Ironman competition in Ireland
Reuters
August 20, 202312:32 PM EDTUpdated a day ago

Aug 20 (Reuters) - Two male participants in the Ironman Cork competition have died in separate incidents during the 1.9km swimming leg of the 70.3km event on Sunday in Youghal, Ireland.

Local media reported that emergency services pulled the men, aged 40 and 60, from the water. Medical personnel pronounced them dead.

"We are deeply saddened to confirm the deaths of two participants in the IRONMAN 70.3 Ireland, Cork 2023 race. During the swim portion of Sunday's race, security personnel provided immediate medical attention upon recognising that the athletes were in need of assistance," the organisers posted on Facebook.

"We share our deepest condolences with the families and friends of the athletes and will continue to offer them our support during this difficult time," they added.

The event was scheduled to be held on Saturday but was postponed by a day due to the effects of Storm Betty.

Reporting by Angelica Medina in Mexico City

 

Southside

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Dad dies after he couldn't get a GP appointment for six weeks​

Kevin Gillett leaves behind a seven-year-old son who was "his world"


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A "fun, loving" dad died just weeks after receiving a phone call telling him to go straight to hospital.

Kevin Gillett, from Huyton, started feeling increasingly tired and unwell with sickness in April this year, which was initially believed to be symptoms of his Crohn's disease. Mum Odette De Freitas said Kevin struggled to get an in person doctor's appointment for six weeks and by the time he was seen in early June, he couldn't keep any food down at all.

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Less than a week after his appointment on June 13, Odette said Kevin, 40, received a phone call from a nurse who told him to go straight to the Royal Liverpool Hospital where doctors would be waiting for him.

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Odette, 60, said: "He had high calcium levels. I knew straight away it's indicative of advanced cancer because I've had it happen to someone I know."


Kevin underwent a series of scans which showed he had a tumour on his liver that had attached to a vein. Following a biopsy, he was told the devastating news the cancer had also spread to his blood, lungs and lymph nodes.

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Kevin was initially told he could have four months left to live but he tragically died at Whiston Hospital just six weeks after his diagnosis on August 1, surrounded by his family. A Gofundme page has been set up by neighbours Lauren and Laura to raise money for Kevin's funeral, and cover the cost of a memorial where his seven-year-old son can go to remember him.
Odette said: "He'd been feeling quite unwell since having covid after Christmas but by the end of April, May, he was finding he couldn't eat at all and was vomiting. Six weeks he was trying to get an appointment.
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"I feel like he's been badly let down by the whole system. I couldn't knock the nurses at the Royal or Whiston they are amazing. But it's the whole system - they're not seeing people and doing tests before it gets to that stage.
"The staff are trying their best. It's the whole process. I don't know why they're not getting face to face appointments.
"I know there's a backlog after covid. We just feel that when somebody has a chronic condition anyway that they would monitor it more closely and not do a telephone appointment."
Kevin's family are hoping to hold his funeral at GreenAcres in Rainford, St Helens. Before he died, Everton FC fan Kevin shared his wishes for the service to begin with a rendition of Everton's anthem Z-Cars and end with The Killers' cover of Forever Young.


Kevin Gillett died on August 1 just weeks after being diagnosed with terminal cancer

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Paying tribute, mum Odette said: "He was a lovely, decent, hardworking guy who sadly had so much suffering in his life with Crohn's then at the end. But every day he battled on, determined not to let that define him.

"His son and dogs were his life and he was truly inspirational, he was loved by everyone which speaks volumes. He used to love music and went to Kendal Calling festival every single year. He was a big Everton supporter."

Kevin, who was born in London and moved to Liverpool when he was 20, worked as an account manager at Baa Bar followed by the NHS. He was diagnosed with Crohn's disease when he was 25, which Odette said had a big impact on his life due to the nature of the illness.

She added: "He had a little boy and that child was his absolute world. He did everything for him - no matter how ill he was he would always make sure he had something planned."

Kevin set up Huyton under 7s football team to help his son grow in confidence and make new friends. The team have now decided to change their name to Sporting KG in honour of Kevin - a gesture which Odette described as "unbelievably touching."
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
Double cardiac arrest, is it just me or are there a lot of heart issues amongst the younger folks today?



A Brazilian fitness influencer, who was just 33-years-old, tragically died after suffering a double cardiac arrest due to unknown causes.

Family confirmed Larissa Borges death in a social media post Wednesday, saying that losing her is "overwhelming."

"The pain of losing someone so young, just 33 years old, and so kind, is overwhelming," the family wrote in an Instagram post. "Our hearts are broken, and the longing we will feel is indescribable."

Lari Borges

Lari Borges' family wrote a heartfelt tribute after the fitness influencer passed away from a double cardiac arrest. (Lari Borges via Instagram)
Lari Borges

Brazilian influencer and fitness instructor Larissa Borges. (Lari Borges via Instagram)

According to local media, the popular fitness influencer with over 32,000 followers was hospitalized Aug. 20, after suffering from her initial cardiac arrest during her travels in Gramado, Brazil.

The incident placed influencer in a coma for a week, with family keeping her fans updated on her condition through social media.

Lari Borges

Lari Borges was a fitness influencer in Brazil and had over 30,000 followers at the time of her tragic death. (Lari Borges via Instagram)
Tragedy struck again after the healthy young woman faced another cardiac arrest that she, "could not resist."

Her family said that she is leaving a legacy of "love, joy and determination."

"She was known for her captivating personality, always bring smiles to those around her," her family wrote. "Her presence illuminated any environment and her contagious energy will be missed by everyone who had the privilege of knowing her."

Lari Borges

Family remembered Lari Borges for her love, joy and determination in life. (Lari Borges via Instagram)

Her family said that she "struggled tirelessly for her life." Family did not share details about her difficulties.

"She struggled tireless for her life, facing all the obstacles that a warrior and determined woman makes-without complaining," family wrote.

Family finished their heartfelt tribute to the fitness influencer, saying that her passing leaves a "void" in their hearts.

"May your soul rest in peace and may your memory always be remembered with affection and gratitude," family wrote.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
Double cardiac arrest, is it just me or are there a lot of heart issues amongst the younger folks today?



A Brazilian fitness influencer, who was just 33-years-old, tragically died after suffering a double cardiac arrest due to unknown causes.

Family confirmed Larissa Borges death in a social media post Wednesday, saying that losing her is "overwhelming."

"The pain of losing someone so young, just 33 years old, and so kind, is overwhelming," the family wrote in an Instagram post. "Our hearts are broken, and the longing we will feel is indescribable."

Lari Borges

Lari Borges' family wrote a heartfelt tribute after the fitness influencer passed away from a double cardiac arrest. (Lari Borges via Instagram)
Lari Borges

Brazilian influencer and fitness instructor Larissa Borges. (Lari Borges via Instagram)

According to local media, the popular fitness influencer with over 32,000 followers was hospitalized Aug. 20, after suffering from her initial cardiac arrest during her travels in Gramado, Brazil.

The incident placed influencer in a coma for a week, with family keeping her fans updated on her condition through social media.

Lari Borges

Lari Borges was a fitness influencer in Brazil and had over 30,000 followers at the time of her tragic death. (Lari Borges via Instagram)
Tragedy struck again after the healthy young woman faced another cardiac arrest that she, "could not resist."

Her family said that she is leaving a legacy of "love, joy and determination."

"She was known for her captivating personality, always bring smiles to those around her," her family wrote. "Her presence illuminated any environment and her contagious energy will be missed by everyone who had the privilege of knowing her."

Lari Borges

Family remembered Lari Borges for her love, joy and determination in life. (Lari Borges via Instagram)

Her family said that she "struggled tirelessly for her life." Family did not share details about her difficulties.

"She struggled tireless for her life, facing all the obstacles that a warrior and determined woman makes-without complaining," family wrote.

Family finished their heartfelt tribute to the fitness influencer, saying that her passing leaves a "void" in their hearts.

"May your soul rest in peace and may your memory always be remembered with affection and gratitude," family wrote.
This will be attributed to drugs/alcohol. Authorities are already looking at it as a prime factor, and unfortunately, the vast majority of fitness influencers are on a lot more than whatever juice, cleanse, or vitamin they’re selling.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
You can’t leave out the fact that after he had Covid last year, he developed a significant heart issue that also kept him from performing. A week before his death, his doctor gave him an external defibrillator to wear at all times, and he had left it in the vehicle when he took a nap and didn’t wake up.

No idea if he was vaxxed or not, but the above are the only known facts at this time.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
You can’t leave out the fact that after he had Covid last year, he developed a significant heart issue that also kept him from performing. A week before his death, his doctor gave him an external defibrillator to wear at all times, and he had left it in the vehicle when he took a nap and didn’t wake up.

No idea if he was vaxxed or not, but the above are the only known facts at this time.
You can glean some things from just that info though.
He likley didn't die of a "heart attack" but rather of a fatal arrythmia. Dilated cardiomyopathy--where the heart doesn't squeeze enough to effectively move blood forward usually has associated arrythmias. The external defibrillator (lifevest) is there to provide a shock when it detects a fatal rhythm. Would probably still be alive if he were wearing it. The question to ask is what caused the cardiomyopathy. Covid can, yes. As can a real heart attack.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
You can glean some things from just that info though.
He likley didn't die of a "heart attack" but rather of a fatal arrythmia. Dilated cardiomyopathy--where the heart doesn't squeeze enough to effectively move blood forward usually has associated arrythmias. The external defibrillator (lifevest) is there to provide a shock when it detects a fatal rhythm. Would probably still be alive if he were wearing it. The question to ask is what caused the cardiomyopathy. Covid can, yes. As can a real heart attack.
I’m not his doctor, nor do I know him personally - at all. This is the information that either he himself put out (I.e. when he had Covid and was hospitalized/heart issue) or what his family has chosen to release. I just find it interesting that people want to add him to this ‘died suddenly’ list (not just here, but multiple places), but are leaving out a huge chunk of this story. Same thing as people who have cancer, known mental issues that COD was probably suicide or OD - no one even bothers to ask WHY they died anymore, much less if they’re even vaccinated. They’re just automatically added to these online lists that basically blame the vaxx with absolutely zero information to back it up.

If the roles were reversed, and it were leftists blaming Covid for these deaths, people would be losing their minds and actually researching it. But because it confirms their bias, there is no research being done, just a ‘lookie here, yup, clot shot!’
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
I’m not his doctor, nor do I know him personally - at all. This is the information that either he himself put out (I.e. when he had Covid and was hospitalized/heart issue) or what his family has chosen to release. I just find it interesting that people want to add him to this ‘died suddenly’ list (not just here, but multiple places), but are leaving out a huge chunk of this story. Same thing as people who have cancer, known mental issues that COD was probably suicide or OD - no one even bothers to ask WHY they died anymore, much less if they’re even vaccinated. They’re just automatically added to these online lists that basically blame the vaxx with absolutely zero information to back it up.

If the roles were reversed, and it were leftists blaming Covid for these deaths, people would be losing their minds and actually researching it. But because it confirms their bias, there is no research being done, just a ‘lookie here, yup, clot shot!’
Agreed.
The things posted are usually a google search for obituary+"died suddenly" and that is about as far as it goes.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Agreed.
The things posted are usually a google search for obituary+"died suddenly" and that is about as far as it goes.
I have personally posted numerous (a hundred or so) photos/names of young people just from my local area who died suddenly. Many can be found within the 22 pages of this thread.

Many others can be found on this linked thread:
CORONA - Sudden death after Covid vax?

These names and faces cannot be explained away as “business as usual.”


I knew from the recent uptick in increasing covid propaganda that you Pfizer apologists would be crawling back out from the shadows.

Incidentally, google searches for “died suddenly” yield basically nothing, except for the state-sponsored misdirections, but y’all knew that, didn’t you?
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
I have personally posted numerous (a hundred or so) photos/names of young people just from my local area who died suddenly. Many can be found within the 22 pages of this thread.

Many others can be found on this linked thread:
CORONA - Sudden death after Covid vax?

These names and faces cannot be explained away as “business as usual.”


I knew from the recent uptick in increasing covid propaganda that you Pfizer apologists would be crawling back out from the shadows.

Incidentally, google searches for “died suddenly” yield basically nothing, except for the state-sponsored misdirections, but y’all knew that, didn’t you?
You’ve posted a hundred or so obits, but have you bothered *even once* to look at their social media? See their history, see what people posted in tribute, what their friends and family said about their death? Because 9 times out of 10, when I’ve delved into any of these ‘died suddenly’ stories that were ordinary people…according to friends and family, it’s not that suddenly. There were known issues, but it’s not something they would attach to a regular obit - because that’s not how they want their loved one to be remembered. Even in this very thread, the first 2 or 3 posts were directly attributed to substance abuse.

But no one wants to talk about THAT. It’s more comfortable to blame a vaccine than talk about the fact that fentanyl deaths have been rising by 30% year after year for the last 4 years.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
I have personally posted numerous (a hundred or so) photos/names of young people just from my local area who died suddenly. Many can be found within the 22 pages of this thread.

Many others can be found on this linked thread:
CORONA - Sudden death after Covid vax?

These names and faces cannot be explained away as “business as usual.”


I knew from the recent uptick in increasing covid propaganda that you Pfizer apologists would be crawling back out from the shadows.

Incidentally, google searches for “died suddenly” yield basically nothing, except for the state-sponsored misdirections, but y’all knew that, didn’t you?
Most of the people posted on these pages have no confirmation of their vaccination status whatsoever. Was it one? Two? Couple of boosters? Who knows! It’s a mystery. Unless you’re pushing an agenda.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Most of the people posted on these pages have no confirmation of their vaccination status whatsoever. Was it one? Two? Couple of boosters? Who knows! It’s a mystery. Unless you’re pushing an agenda.
You are correct. What I, and others, are doing here is more of an inferential/statistical approach than a courtroom burden of proof approach. I could only provide you with a handful of “died suddenlies” that I knew personally who were vaxxed and were not drug overdoses or suicides. Even for that handful, I can’t provide a definitive cause and effect that would stand up in a court of law. Our legal evidence is certainly lacking, and maybe that is your point/perspective?

However, I know a 43 year old guy who fell dead onto his kitchen floor 8 days after getting the shot. No drugs. No known health problems. I also know of a few others. Meanwhile, since I moved in 2015, I’ve been checking the obituaries from my prior location on a daily basis:

2015 - maybe 1 or 2 young people all year
2016 - same, maybe 1 or 2
2017 - same
2018 - same
2019 - same
2020, 2021, 2022 - insane increases in young people dying! Many of these photos I’ve posted. Just ordinary folks, John and Jane Nobodies in the eyes of the world, but they’re young, and they’re dying.

No one in the media is talking about it. Why do you suppose that is? If you extrapolate the numbers from my one rural county in nowhere Pennsylvania across the 3,000+ counties in the US, most of which have a much higher population density, what kind of number would that yield? Yet, the media remains silent, as if it’s not happening.

Something is up here, and it is up to us to make the inferences. I would prefer to be wrong on this one…
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
‘We Need A Miracle’: Pennsylvania High School Football Quarterback Collapses Mid-Game
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A high school football game in Pennsylvania was suspended Friday night after a quarterback collapsed in the middle of the contest and was then rushed to the hospital.

Played in Butler County, the game was between Redbank Valley High School and Karns City High School. Mason Martin, who is the quarterback for Karns City, started to stagger during the third quarter, with referee Mike Vasbiner noticing it, according to the Butler Eagle.

“I had to talk to him, and when I asked if he was alright, he told me, ‘No,’” said the referee to the news outlet. “So, that’s when I knew something was wrong.”

Then, Martin collapsed and was rushed to Pittsburgh‘s UPMC Presbyterian Hospital by helicopter. As a result, the game was called off and Redbank Valley was named the winner as they were leading 35-6 at the time of the incident.

Ref Mike Vasbiner spotted the Karns City quarterback Mason Martin starting to stumble during the third quarter.

Speaking to KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, Martin’s parents said their son suffered a “significant brain bleed as well as a collapsed lung.”

On social media, Karns City’s football team published an update from Martin’s mother.

“Mason remains in critical condition with little change over the last 36 hours,” read the post Sunday. “The truth is we need a miracle. I’m not saying that to sound grim, but to let you know that we need the strength of your prayers.”

“No one believes in this kid more than us, but he needs everyone’s strength and prayers. Right now, we have to wait for the swelling to go down to assess the extent of the damage to the brain.”

 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
TAMPA, Fla. - A shining light in local non-profit organizations has died unexpectedly, according to a social media post from the weekend.

Katie McGill was the long-time executive director of Dress for Success, a group that gives low income women clothes and counseling to help them succeed in the job market.

According to a post on the group’s social media page, McGill’s death came suddenly and unexpectedly. A cause of death wasn’t given.

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coalcracker

Veteran Member

Boston Police Officer Brian J. MacLean died last week after an accidental fall, a little more than a year after his brother's unexpected death.​


His death comes a little more than a year after his brother, 16-year Boston Police Officer Robert J. MacLean, died unexpectedly on April 6, 2022. Their father, Harold MacLean, also died suddenly earlier this year.

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Officer Robert J. MacLean
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
A grief-stricken Kickapoo High School community is rallying around the family of longtime teacher Amy Barron, who died unexpectedly just hours before the start of class Tuesday.

Barron, 39, was a fixture at the city's largest high school for 11 years. She taught Family and Consumer Sciences, as part of the close-knit FACS team, and coached dance and cheerleading.

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coalcracker

Veteran Member
Laura Quaynor, a Johns Hopkins University School of Education researcher who specialized in language, civic education, and English as a second language learners, died suddenly on Aug. 30 in her home in Powder Springs, Georgia. She was 41.

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Kewpie

Senior Member
Laura Quaynor, a Johns Hopkins University School of Education researcher who specialized in language, civic education, and English as a second language learners, died suddenly on Aug. 30 in her home in Powder Springs, Georgia. She was 41.

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She died in a car accident…I mean, died suddenly, I’m sure, but this doesn’t fit the narrative being portrayed here.
 
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