INTL Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Under Investigation After Being Accused of Antisemitism at German Concert

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Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Under Investigation After Being Accused of Antisemitism at German Concert: Police​


The British bassist wore a Nazi-like outfit during a two-night stint in Berlin earlier this month

Published on May 26, 2023 06:55 PM

Musician Roger Waters of Pink Floyd has been accused of promoting antisemitism at a recent set of shows in Germany — though those familiar with the group say the rocker was in character as Pink from the band's rock opera The Wall.

Waters was filmed at the Mercedes-Benz Arena in Berlin on May 17 and 18 wearing a long black coat and red armband, with insignias that featured crossed hammers instead of swastikas during a two-day stint in Berlin, according to Billboard. In a skit between songs, the 79-year-old British bassist and singer also pretended to shoot a fake machine gun.

Another part of the concert deemed controversial featured names of activists killed by authorities, including political activist Sophie Scholl, George Floyd and Anne Frank, tweets from attendees at the concert posted to social media show. Frank’s photo was reportedly juxtaposed with a photo of a journalist killed by Palestinian militants. Other stage set pieces allegedly included a giant inflatable pig featuring a Jewish star with symbols and words that floated over the audience. Banners in the style of the Third Reich featuring crossed hammers instead of swastikas reportedly hung from the ceiling.

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Prior to the start of the show, the Pink Floyd singer took to the stage with the following message, "The show will start in 10 minutes and a court in Frankfurt has ruled that I am not an antisemite… just to be clear, I condemn antisemitism unreservedly."

Those comments were in response to a ruling in April by a Frankfurt court that said the city could not cancel a planned May 28 show by Waters, despite protests by several Jewish groups. Walters has been described by city officials as being "one of the most widely known antisemites in the world."

Police in Germany and Israeli authorities have since launched an investigation into the incident, they confirmed to Reuters. Use of Nazi imagery carries strict penalties in Germany — punishable up to three years in prison, though exceptions are made in the law for educational and artistic reasons. In Germany, Waters is currently being investigated under a separate law on suspicion of "incitement of the people."

 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Rt :58

From the comments on YouTube...
aftd100
1 day ago

Roger has been wearing that costume and shooting a fake gun on tour for years, since 2010 at least. It's just part of the show. It's in context with The Wall.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Guess many governments are morons not just ours.

Roger Waters is both a flake and a brilliant musician. I am sure the costume was a political stunt to make some over dramatic point and not some call for a ‘new Reich’.

Germany grow the $&@#**~ up.

I do find it ironic when liberals get swept up by tyranical leftist government over reach. The left in entertainment has been warning against the ‘fascist’ conservatives for decades, they missed the fascism of their ‘own’ leftist governments.

Ha ha welcome to the great society You freakin created.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The problem is Germany does have laws against this on the books. Now I don't know if the band knew this or not. I wouldn't have, except Nightwolf told me. The other issue is that these laws are used selectively and capriciously. I was wearing a sweater at the Frankfort Airport on my way to a Norse religion conference wearing a sweater I knit for Nightwolf with horses and bronze age symbols. It also had a couple of later Nordic runes incorporated into it, all positive ones like the run for prosperity and partnership. As far as I know, none of which the Nazis ever used for anything.

Anyway, as we were chatting in the coffee shop, waiting for some more conference members to arrive, our German driver pointed out that "technically," my sweater was illegal in Germany because it had any of the Elder Futhark runes on it at all. But then he said, "Of course, they will not bother you at an airport. But if you wore it to a right-wing political rally, they might arrest you for wearing it."

Around the same time, some weavers who were also serious reenactors and made museum-quality reproductions made copies of some early (like early iron age, if I recall) tablet woven pieces that had stylized swastikas on them. These patterns were at least 2,000 years old and did not resemble the NAZI flag. They were not the same shape or the same colors.

Somehow a photo of their amazingly detailed work got online. The German police swept in, confiscated their computers and ransacked their apartments, and "confiscated" the illegal trim, which may have taken hundreds of hours to create (I know, I'm a weaver).

If I remember, they stayed out of jail, but they lost their computers and trim and now had a police record for being "Nazi" (or something like that).

That same pattern was used around the same time by a new "King and Queen" in the SCA who had friends make their Viking Clothing. Being in the USA, they were not arrested, but the organizational fights over it ended with them resigning from their positions that usually would have lasted for six months.

The United Kingdom tried to pass laws against these "symbols" a few years before BREXIT, especially the Swastika. Still, the Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists threatened to take them to court because it is a powerful and essential religious symbol (the Hopi too, but not too many of them in the UK). The government's lawyers advised them they were likely to spend a lot of money and lose a religious discrimination suit, so the idea of copying German's "hate symbols" law was quietly dropped.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Contrast the German government's angst over a performer (in character) wearing a Nazi like uniform while doing his music as opposed to the reaction of their government during Covid and the enforcement steps they took along with mandating experimental 'vaccines' like their infamous Dr. Mengele and maybe latent Naziism has more than a foothold in their society today.

If they were that concerned about Nazi's they wouldn't have acted the way they did during Covid nor would they have funneled funding and arms to real Nazi's in the Ukraine. But then again politicians around the world are born hypocrites and they'll never see or detect their own malfeasance.
 
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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
If I remember, they stayed out of jail, but they lost their computers and trim and now had a police record for being "Nazi" (or something like that).
We have similar but so far less official "suppression" in this country too methinks.

Owner tells a story of standing in line at Lowes and suddenly someone catches his red baseball cap from behind and "flips it" causing it to come off his head and land on the floor. There was a brief scuffle as the man behind him tried to get his foot on Owners hat to step on it.

"Hey what are you doing?" Owner said.

"NOBODY should be allowed to wear THAT hat!"

"Why not? Can't I wear my hat that I got from a vendor for free?" (Free is important to Owner on certain things.)

Owner picks up the hat and shows it to the hat flipper. There on the front are the words "Babcock and Wilcox" - which happens to be a boiler making concern for utility boilers that Owner has done business with. The fact that the baseball cap was RED and apparently similar, at least from behind, to a "MAGA" hat was what set off the hat flipper.

"Oh, I'm sorry" hat flipper said. "I thought that was something else."

"Yuh. Perhaps you should consider better your action before you get a 1st Amendment lawsuit - or a punch in the nose for your arrogance?"

"No, I'm truly sorry." And the man disappeared.

And that was an "unofficial" suppression. How long will it be before suppression will become "Official" and endorsed by TPTB?

And you know there will be those like Roger Waters who for the sake of public attention will bring it front and center.

Which IS the point of protest.

And how long will it be after that before the Sheeple wake up and realize they are no longer free?

Dobbin
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I found out when I was teaching ESL that Germany was castrated via turning the younger generation into snowflakes who are easily triggered. They are as bad and woke as our snowflakes are.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize….
Interesting discussion recently on the quote.


The article puts the quote to a White Supremacist named Strom who is currently doing time for pedophilia. The quote dates from 1993. The article goes on at length with substantiation about how Voltaire "said no such thing."

Meanwhile, a google query of Voltaire quotes yields as the TOP entry. “If you want to know who controls you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Note the difference in wording. "Rules" versus "Controls." The meaning is the same, just said differently with controls perhaps a wider application to include non-political.

And there you have yet another case of "cherry picking" of data to support an end. The Reuters article "narrows" the discussion to give the impression that only White Nationalist Pedophiles would defend such a statement. And Voltaire did in fact NOT say the Strom variation. Lest Reuters be accused of "inaccuracy."

And on the Internet we find more and more of this cherry picking. I like cherries and will strip Owner's tree clean on those branches within reach - but I can spit out the twigs and keep the best for even branches on my margin.

TRUE information comes with pits and sticks. Google AND Reuters wants put a fence around your informational tree.

Take the Internet for what you can - WHILE you can.

Dobbin
 
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ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Actually saw Waters in concert recently on this very tour during the US leg. Yep, he's over the top NUTZ and VERY politically oriented and makes sure you know it. Which was his issue with other band members. He's really out there in the extreme in your face way.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yep...Melodi is right on. German laws about such things. There will be some butt-kicking happening over it.

Americans forget that no place else on Earth enshrines free speech (in this case, artistic license) like our U.S. Constitution.
Right or wrong - approve or not, ya know what? It's a rock concert. There's gonna be some edgy shtuff once in a while.
Get over it.
 
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BillyT

Contributing Member
Actually saw Waters in concert recently on this very tour during the US leg. Yep, he's over the top NUTZ and VERY politically oriented and makes sure you know it. Which was his issue with other band members. He's really out there in the extreme in your face way.
I was lucky enough to see Pink Floyd on the Division Bell tour back in 1994. I've thought a couple times of going to see Roger Waters but after watching a few clips online decided not to. It would be nice just to go hear the music but that's not happening.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Thanks, guys, I didn't know how to make the post much shorter since the article mentioned the symbols were illegal in Germany, but many Americans don't understand how that works. I didn't until Nighwolf told me, and then I experienced it for myself, as did the weavers I knew online (not well, but I was aware of them).

And I wanted to compare what happened in Germany - fines, criminal record, losing your computers to the US, where a private organization can ask you to resign. But you are not in legal trouble. Also that Germany's laws are not evenly enforced. They are doing this because it was a high-profile rock concert and a famous artist. They didn't care about my sweater.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Melodi's post may be long, but they chock full of info. I appreciate the all meat / no fillerposts.
I don’t mind that her post was long. I kinda bugs me that ALL her posts are long, and often shoot off at a significant tangent from a thread topic. In short, she rambles. A lot.
 

WriterMom

Veteran Member
I was lucky enough to see Pink Floyd on the Division Bell tour back in 1994. I've thought a couple times of going to see Roger Waters but after watching a few clips online decided not to. It would be nice just to go hear the music but that's not happening.
I've seen him in concert on his last two tours - he was amazing!! I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan. I just ignored the political crap (I knew what to expect) and enjoyed the music. I soooo wish I could have seen Pink Floyd back in the 80s or 90s!
 

alchemike

Veteran Member
They can't handle free thought...and don't understand mockery.....you have to stay in line and agree 2+2=5...

They are too stupid to know when they are being mocked...

Next show he should go on stage impersonating Janet Reno.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
At the same time I wrote this post, I had also written several that were a couple of sentences or less. I will try to shorten my posts again, but I also think you are paying attention to the long ones and not noticing the short ones.
 

DFENZ

Contributing Member
Hands-down, the best concert I've ever been to was the Cedar Falls, Iowa stop of the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour in 1988. Roger Waters is- and always has been- a douche, but back in the day, Pink Floyd as a band was one of the best.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
At the same time I wrote this post, I had also written several that were a couple of sentences or less. I will try to shorten my posts again, but I also think you are paying attention to the long ones and not noticing the short ones.

Please don't. I enjoy your posts just as they are.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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No the Aspie was Nightwolf. I was the emotional one who emotes, cries, and laughs at the drop of a hat!
None of which matters to me. It just gets old when virtually every post is a page long essay and often only tangentially related to the topic being discussed. That’s 100% Commander Data. Im not saying it isn’t interesting at times. But EVERY TIME gets very old.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Waters is a ass.
The Germans have been RABIDLY anti-anti-semitic since 1947-1950. After the West rubbed their noses in the Holocaust, the killings and torture. They went with knee jerk reactions and enshrined them in law.
They have the LEAST flex when discussing, Semitic ANYTHING!!

His lawyer SHOULD have made it clear to him what that was going to create.

May the ass reap that which he has sown.


One of the things I LOVE about FBI-International is when the Fly-Team is working on a US citizen in a European city, the "Ugly American" says "I KNOW my RIGHTS!" and then gets schooled as to the differences between US and other countries.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The problem is Germany does have laws against this on the books. Now I don't know if the band knew this or not. I wouldn't have, except Nightwolf told me. The other issue is that these laws are used selectively and capriciously. I was wearing a sweater at the Frankfort Airport on my way to a Norse religion conference wearing a sweater I knit for Nightwolf with horses and bronze age symbols. It also had a couple of later Nordic runes incorporated into it, all positive ones like the run for prosperity and partnership. As far as I know, none of which the Nazis ever used for anything.

Anyway, as we were chatting in the coffee shop, waiting for some more conference members to arrive, our German driver pointed out that "technically," my sweater was illegal in Germany because it had any of the Elder Futhark runes on it at all. But then he said, "Of course, they will not bother you at an airport. But if you wore it to a right-wing political rally, they might arrest you for wearing it."

Around the same time, some weavers who were also serious reenactors and made museum-quality reproductions made copies of some early (like early iron age, if I recall) tablet woven pieces that had stylized swastikas on them. These patterns were at least 2,000 years old and did not resemble the NAZI flag. They were not the same shape or the same colors.

Somehow a photo of their amazingly detailed work got online. The German police swept in, confiscated their computers and ransacked their apartments, and "confiscated" the illegal trim, which may have taken hundreds of hours to create (I know, I'm a weaver).

If I remember, they stayed out of jail, but they lost their computers and trim and now had a police record for being "Nazi" (or something like that).

That same pattern was used around the same time by a new "King and Queen" in the SCA who had friends make their Viking Clothing. Being in the USA, they were not arrested, but the organizational fights over it ended with them resigning from their positions that usually would have lasted for six months.

The United Kingdom tried to pass laws against these "symbols" a few years before BREXIT, especially the Swastika. Still, the Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists threatened to take them to court because it is a powerful and essential religious symbol (the Hopi too, but not too many of them in the UK). The government's lawyers advised them they were likely to spend a lot of money and lose a religious discrimination suit, so the idea of copying German's "hate symbols" law was quietly dropped.
Yes, anything Nazi, or resembling Nazi is strictly verboten in Germany!
 
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