WAR Looks like “it” is gonna happen

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
World Wars start not because of expectations but when parties stop reacting as predicted and expected.

Then years later it all looks so obvious.
Yes, it's only well after the fact that it is widely acknowledged that avoidance was always possible and preferable. And there have always the people on the ground like us trying to get them to see what they are walking into, and they always refuse to look.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Rumor? "Massive search underway to verify Russian nuclear weapons in Europe. U S spyplanes appear to be monitoring a Russian enclave in Europe possibly looking for signs of nuclear weapons activity". Insider paper@theinsiderpaper.

Don't know if this came up here already.

I believe The West, especially the US wants nuclear war with Russia.
 
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greysage

On The Level
Rumor? "Massive search underway to verify Russian nuclear weapons in Europe. U S spyplanes appear to be monitoring a Russian enclave in Europe possibly looking for signs of nuclear weapons activity"

I don't know about it being a rumor. But I'd say it's pre-programming for that Russian enclave to be made into a prison camp or just plain old murdering every Russian in it.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Only way to break the deep state and bring down the WEF

There you go.

That is EXACTLY what they want you to believe.

Everyone waits for the nukes to save them from NWO.

Nukes could and probably would far more readily finalize “their” plan, rather than foil it.


Good, average people…..drawing a hard line and holding it….is the only way to BEGIN the process of reversing the NWO.


For evidence of the sacrifice required to DEFEAT it, reference the fates of the Signers of The Declaration……and multiply by….a lot.


Not got the stomach for it ?


You WILL live to see your kids and grandkids in shackles.

Not directed at you, Coastie…..but a warning to all.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
There you go.

That is EXACTLY what they want you to believe.

Everyone waits for the nukes to save them from NWO.

Nukes could and probably would far more readily finalize “their” plan, rather than foil it.


Good, average people…..drawing a hard line and holding it….is the only way to BEGIN the process of reversing the NWO.


For evidence of the sacrifice required to DEFEAT it, reference the fates of the Signers of The Declaration……and multiply by….a lot.


Not got the stomach for it ?


You WILL live to see your kids and grandkids in shackles.

Not directed at you, Coastie…..but a warning to all.
My response was poorly done sarcasm. Getting nuked doesnt solve anything.

What fates of the Signers are you talking about?
 

raven

TB Fanatic
My concern is Russia's potential action (i.e., detonating a nuke on U.S. resources) if it determines that the U.S. perpetrated the pipeline(s) sabotage.
Nukes aren't necessary.
Consider the power outage in Texas a couple years ago or the pipeline that was hacked.
Conventional or unconventional would also work.
Any "Purple Swan" would work (because its getting close to winter and Black Swans can be seen daily flying in V squadrons every day)
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
I have a question. It seems to me that there is a not-insignificant number of members who actually want a nuclear war. I can’t help but wonder why that is.


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Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Seems to me, our eyes are off the target, in the sense that ”We the People”, and all the free peoples in Europe, are being played by the powers that be in our respective nation states. Played like a trick set of cards. Putin is no fool, nor is the deep state, or the “Young Leaders“ of the WEF.


I presume they are all working together, like strings on a guitar. As time goes by, they gain ground.

There needs to be an urgency amongst the people. As it is, urgent to turn this ship around.... or admit, Jesus will be on scene soon, but not quite soon enough......not that I’d question the timing of Jesus...he knew that...we’re like that.
 
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kochevnik

Senior Member
NATO does not have to respond with nukes. The conventional military option will destroy russia's military in 72 hours. We all know that russia has a third rate military. NATO should destroy all of the russian military in occupied Ukraine including the Crimea and push the russians back into russia. This can be done without using nukes.

You mean like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

What you are talking about is a pipe dream. The US could take out a handful of Russian bases in 72 hours is about it. And the Russian AND Urkraine militaries are both interspersed among the civilian population in this war zone - you cannot take either of them out with any type of air or missile strikes without killing an equal number of civilians. Boots on the ground could do it - and how long would it take for the Marines and Army to form up in Ukraine and be effective ? Many months and the Russians would see it all coming from a mile away.

In 6 months of concentrated conventional war they could take out the Russian military - yes - and long before that happens Russia would nuke every single one of the 800+ US military bases around the planet and every carrier group for dessert. And it would be the USA that no longer has a military - which most of the planet would be very happy about.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
What does this have to do with the original post ?

A little something called PDD 60 - Presidential Decision Directive #60. Here's Joel Skousen:

Skousen: PDD 60 is missing at the Clinton Library archives (Eliminates Launch on Warning)
ON NOVEMBER 16, 2021 BY JEFF FENSKEIN BOMB BOMB AMERICA?, JOEL SKOUSEN, WAR
World Affairs Brief, November 12, 2021 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World.

Copyright Joel Skousen. Partial quotations with attribution permitted. Cite source as Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (World Affairs Brief).

BIDEN ADMINISTRATION’S NUCLEAR POSTURE REVIEW

The anti-nuclear disarmament lobby, primarily Arms Control Today (ACT) and the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), are enthused about the upcoming Nuclear Posture Review, due out early next year. They are hoping Biden will make good on his promises to advance nuclear disarmament and undo president Trump’s attempts to modernize America’s aging nuclear arsenal. Kingston Reif of Arms Control Today lays out the hopes of the disarmament crowd:

The Biden administration has formally begun a review of U.S. nuclear weapons policy against the backdrop of several competing pressures. These include President Joe Biden’s desire to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. strategy and put the emphasis on a more holistic and integrated view of deterrence, concerns about increasingly aggressive Russian and Chinese nuclear behavior, the growing cost of the U.S. nuclear modernization program, and divisions in Congress about the future of U.S. nuclear policy.

As a candidate, President Joe Biden said the United States does not need new nuclear weapons. Whether he plans to act on that rhetoric will be reflected in the Nuclear Posture Review, which is intended to examine the size, role, and capability of the country’s nuclear arsenal.

Biden also expressed his belief that “the sole purpose of the U.S. nuclear arsenal should be deterring—and, if necessary, retaliating against—a nuclear attack” against the United States and its allies.

PDD 60 is missing at the Clinton Library archives:

The above statement, “retaliating, if necessary” harks back to PDD-60, the dangerous 1997 change to our nuclear strategic doctrine, demanding our missile forces should NOT “launch on warning” in response to an incoming strike, but retaliate afterward—which is suicidal. Absorbing a massive first strike would take out all our silo-based missiles (400 + Minuteman III ICBMs with only a single warhead each) and all of our military bases capable of conducting a retaliation.

While a summary of PDD-60 still remains in the ACT archives and on the FAS.org website, the listing of Clinton Presidential Decision Directives (PDD) at the Clinton Presidential Library does not show a PDD-60, because it is classified. There are many others which are still classified which are missing too.

To illustrate how important a launch on warning strategy is, it is a long established nuclear doctrine that he who launches second, before enemy missiles arrive on target, wins the war. That’s because it takes between 15 minutes for a sub launched missile to hit its target and almost 30 minutes for a land based missile in Russia and China to hit US missiles fields. In addition, a warhead’s targeting cannot be changed once it separates from the missile. This time delay in missile trajectory gives just enough time to launch US missiles so that the incoming warheads hit empty silos. US missiles can then be redirected to hit viable enemy targets.

Eliminating Launch on Warning is not only a grave strategic error, it dismantles this core deterrent aspect of building nuclear weapons in the first place. Disarmament lobbies often cite the potential of a mistaken nuclear exchange where the US might launch a full nuclear response based on a false alarm. But it was never likely that the US would launch any missiles in response to a single warhead—it would just intercept that warhead. In addition, a huge first strike of hundreds of enemy missiles would never be mistaken as a false alarm.

The dangers of delaying a response to an incoming strike are increasing with the development of hypersonic warheads that are not only much faster than conventional warheads but maneuverable so they can evade the current anti-ballistic missile interceptors.

And, letting such a strike fall, can only be construed as our government’s intention to allow our military to be decapitated in order to force us the US into a militarized global government in response.

But the actual process of deciding when and how to respond to a Launch on Warning scenario is crucial and doesn’t allow for hardly any discussion. Here’s an article (ACT Jan/Feb 2018) by Bruce Blair who had a major role crafting PDD-60 in discussing how a presidential decision to launch comes down. His not-so-subtle purpose was to warn people about how an “unstable president” back then (Donald Trump) might make a mistake under Launch on Warning. Despite the bias, the protocol of how a nuclear response happens is good reading:

U.S. nuclear launch protocol has important virtues and serious liabilities. Major changes are needed to constrain a president who would seek to initiate the first use of nuclear weapons without apparent cause and to prevent him or her from being pushed into making nuclear retaliatory decisions in haste.
/snip/
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
NATO does not have to respond with nukes. The conventional military option will destroy russia's military in 72 hours. We all know that russia has a third rate military. NATO should destroy all of the russian military in occupied Ukraine including the Crimea and push the russians back into russia. This can be done without using nukes.
The problem is that Russia would definitely get a vote on that. Yes I believe the US would have an easy conventional victory over Russia at this point. But Russian doctrine did not envision them fighting the US with only conventional weapons.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
The problem is that Russia would definitely get a vote on that. Yes I believe the US would have an easy conventional victory over Russia at this point. But Russian doctrine did not envision them fighting the US with only conventional weapons.
Wasn't it Medvedev (or whatever his name is) who said, "Russian MUST NOT lose" ?
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
You beat me. I was just getting ready to post this. And, to complete your sentence, ......is not to play the game. Hopefully our leaders remember this wisdom.

They won't.

The world is mad, and going more mad by the day.....hour....

By the time it's done, they'll see GOD coming down from the sky on His white horse--and think they can even FIGHT HIM, and win...!
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What fates of the Signers are you talking about?

The men who signed the Declaration of Independence, by and large, lost everything to direct British retribution…..farm, family, fortune….a.k.a….life, liberty and property.

I don’t have a link, but I have quoted from a few books, elsewhere in forum some months ago.

You should look into it….as should any and all who have a keen interest in turning this current tide, or, if only to gain an appreciation for what a small remnant of men did to kick start this nation and wrest it from the NWO of their day.
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
The above statement, “retaliating, if necessary” harks back to PDD-60, the dangerous 1997 change to our nuclear strategic doctrine, demanding our missile forces should NOT “launch on warning” in response to an incoming strike, but retaliate afterward—which is suicidal. Absorbing a massive first strike would take out all our silo-based missiles (400 + Minuteman III ICBMs with only a single warhead each) and all of our military bases capable of conducting a retaliation.

OK but that's not what is being discussed here - this is :

MOSCOW, September 27. /TASS/. NATO will not interfere if Russia uses nuclear weapons in response to Ukrainian aggression, and Kiev must realize this to some degree, Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said on his Telegram channel on Tuesday.

"Let’s imagine that Russia is forced to use its most formidable weapons against the Ukrainian regime, which has committed a large-scale act of aggression that is endangering the very existence of our state. I believe that NATO will not directly interfere in the conflict even in this scenario," Medvedev wrote.

That's not an allout attack on the USA - so the launch on warning posture of the USA is only tangential to this situation.

Medvedev IS an idiot in this case - it IS correct in that I don't see the US or NATO using nukes in retaliation to Russian use of nukes - but that's also irrelevant because the US has the capability to badly hurt the Russian military in a lot of different other ways - short of actually nuking them.

They could use conventional munitions to destroy some target(s) that the Russians dearly need - like the Black Sea Fleet which action they have already telegraphed on twitter - or take out the Nord Stream pipelines - whoops they already did that one - AS A WARNING to Russia ahead of any potential use of nukes.

Or maybe MOABs on half a dozen Russian military bases or a no-fly zone over Ukraine - I dont know - I'm sure the DOD has lots of cool stuff they could do.

But there is no way in hell NATO and the US does NOTHING in response to Russia using nukes. Medvedev is just as wrong about this as Biden and Blinken and all those idiots on our side.

And thats a big problem if the Russians are just as stupid and clueless about this situation as the US govt is.
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
Any combatant in modern peer/peer war will cease to exist if they lose....

Well that's what Fourth Turning wars are all about aren't they - they are EXISTENTIAL WARS - if u lose - u cease to exist as a nation or a people.

That's another thing that isnt being discussed here enough - the fact that this small skirmish has warped into a potential WW3 right under our noses and RIGHT ON SCHEDULE as predicted by the theory.

THAT scares me as much as anything else - the idea that this whole thing has momentum and Destiny and cannot be stopped no matter what steps are taken at this juncture - that it just ramps up and up and up until both sides just lash out in total destruction.
 
Well that's what Fourth Turning wars are all about aren't they - they are EXISTENTIAL WARS - if u lose - u cease to exist as a nation or a people.

That's another thing that isnt being discussed here enough - the fact that this small skirmish has warped into a potential WW3 right under our noses and RIGHT ON SCHEDULE as predicted by the theory.

THAT scares me as much as anything else - the idea that this whole thing has momentum and Destiny and cannot be stopped no matter what steps are taken at this juncture - that it just ramps up and up and up until both sides just lash out in total destruction.
Why such fatalism?

Because you were told/read it on the internet, so it must be true?

Boogeyman stories are designed to raise the psychological stakes, along with the fear-factor. THAT is how "they" become effective - YOU (not you, personally) let them in your "front door," to mess with your personal inner space - and they are programmed to take over once they shove your reason/intellect aside, to then proceed to torture your emotions, mercilessly.

War, By Other Means® (but war it surely is)


intothegoodnight
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Wasn't it Medvedev (or whatever his name is) who said, "Russian MUST NOT lose" ?
For the Russians, this is existential.
Problem is that word "existential" has been used so often, people do not understand what it means.
Biden says addressing climate change is existential . . . and everyone knows it isn't.

You can get closer to what the Russians believe is you replace "existential" with "genocide."

The west intends to impoverish the population, execute Putin and the leadership like Gaddafi in the street by mobs, break the country into small manageable fiefdoms ruled by the drug addled children of western politicians, eliminate Russian culture and religion and replace it with Homosexual Hedonism, and replace the population with immigrants from Muslim countries all while robbing the country of every natural resource and inflicting a level of debt that is insurmountable.

Almost exactly what they have done to the United States.

Russia will be extinguished.
Putin says No.
 
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