ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Moscow and both European Russia, Urals and west, as well as the EU. The US will wake up to the MSM and talking heads trying to figure out what just happened and trying to explain how they missed it. Then there's the speech Biden’s giving at the UN after Putin's address....
Grumphau
Veteran Member
The timing seems ominous to me. I've got a bad feeling about this one. I think we are about to see a major escalation.
Something happened today that we are not aware of.
Now I'm hearing that Putin's speech is pre-recorded.
I was under the impression that he was going to address his nation live?
Yeah, "pre-recorded" has "gone to a secure location" written all over it. Merde.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
This will be about the time most of Western Europe (and the UK/Ireland) are either just waking up or getting ready to have breakfast/leave for work. It is a bit complicated to figure out exactly but it looks like it is two hours ahead of British Summer Time (Moscow doesn't do Summer Time) and so one hour or so ahead of most of Western Europe (if I read the comparison chart correctly).
So about 7 am in France/Germany and 6 am UK and Ireland; I think the speech was supposed to be live and now it is recorded which as pointed out, suggests a secure location. The referendums on the Ukrainian "regions" are not until Friday, which makes the timing of this a bit interesting; especially if they are using that as an excuse to formally declare war or something because the "vote" hasn't been taken. Although the EU and the US have already said they will not recognize the outcome anyway.
This has me a tad concerned as well...
So about 7 am in France/Germany and 6 am UK and Ireland; I think the speech was supposed to be live and now it is recorded which as pointed out, suggests a secure location. The referendums on the Ukrainian "regions" are not until Friday, which makes the timing of this a bit interesting; especially if they are using that as an excuse to formally declare war or something because the "vote" hasn't been taken. Although the EU and the US have already said they will not recognize the outcome anyway.
This has me a tad concerned as well...
155 arty
Veteran Member
not necessarily so ,we shot a mix of white phosphorus and high explosive aka shake and bake ... standard doctine in usmc
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
What really makes absolutely no sense is attacking towns in supposedly Russian speaking areas. These are the people Putin says he wants to save from the Ukainians.
onetimer
Veteran Member
I wouldn’t be surprised if this speech is to meant to layout their false pretext to general mobilization in the coming weeks. Some crap about if\when the referendums are in favor of joining the RF then Russia will immediately declare Luhansk and Donetsk annexed, any attacks on these areas will be a direct attack on Russia.
This will be ignored and his bluff called yet again. Slow rolling this war until it’s too late.
This will be ignored and his bluff called yet again. Slow rolling this war until it’s too late.
jward
passin' thru
Editor-in-Chief RT... Judging by what is happening and still about to happen, this week marks either the eve of our imminent victory, or the eve of nuclear war. I can't see anything third.
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@EndGameWW3
Declaration of war, general mobilization and the annexation of separatist/occupied regions in Ukraine, all open clearer avenues of Russian use of nukes in Ukraine. I find it highly unlikely, but I've come to conclusion we are closer to nuclear war today since the Cuban crisis.
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@EndGameWW3
Declaration of war, general mobilization and the annexation of separatist/occupied regions in Ukraine, all open clearer avenues of Russian use of nukes in Ukraine. I find it highly unlikely, but I've come to conclusion we are closer to nuclear war today since the Cuban crisis.
jward
passin' thru
I won't bloat an already sizeable thread by adding to the pointless restatements of already well covered material, but will note that this was the conclusion reached this morning, and the info that's come in since does nothing to suggest that analysis was in error.
I'd also have to question whether in this day and age biden's cabal could use green screens and subterfuge to move to a bunkered situation. It seems there are far too many eyes, domestic and foreign, for any such measure to be attempted successfully. As a side note, for those worried bout the meat puppets ability to handle this- I still have considerable doubt that he's left in charge of his breakfast menu, let alone any thing requiring this measure o' gravitas.
On a possibly encouraging note, I'll remind us that this mercury retrograde, so these communication snaffus are par for the course; if we're lucky this will prove to be no more than that, and a few days will find the flow into virgo will increase discernment and the ability for any good faith actors to steer the situation through the minefields it faces at present.
I'd also have to question whether in this day and age biden's cabal could use green screens and subterfuge to move to a bunkered situation. It seems there are far too many eyes, domestic and foreign, for any such measure to be attempted successfully. As a side note, for those worried bout the meat puppets ability to handle this- I still have considerable doubt that he's left in charge of his breakfast menu, let alone any thing requiring this measure o' gravitas.
On a possibly encouraging note, I'll remind us that this mercury retrograde, so these communication snaffus are par for the course; if we're lucky this will prove to be no more than that, and a few days will find the flow into virgo will increase discernment and the ability for any good faith actors to steer the situation through the minefields it faces at present.
jward
passin' thru
Liveuamap
@Liveuamap
11m
President @AndrzejDu: This is not a regional conflict: this war - Russia's war against Ukraine - is the source of a global fire, this war will affect both our and your countries. Unless it has already happened https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/20-september-president-andrzejduda-this-is-not-a-regionalvia @prezydentpl
View: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1572349506397552640?s=20
@Liveuamap
11m
President @AndrzejDu: This is not a regional conflict: this war - Russia's war against Ukraine - is the source of a global fire, this war will affect both our and your countries. Unless it has already happened https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/20-september-president-andrzejduda-this-is-not-a-regionalvia @prezydentpl
View: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1572349506397552640?s=20
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
You mean like leaders who used MDW helicopters like Uber rides now scooting around in 2 car Suburban motorcades? And Capitol Shield going on right now with the premise of a large body of officials trapped under rubble in a certain US national landmark? And other fun and games?
Yeah, like that
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
When they started supplementing the civilian staff in a number of interesting local agencies. Been about two weeks now.
Just sayin'.
jward
passin' thru
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
Serbia's president believes that in a "month or two" the world may enter into a conflict that has not been seen since the Second World War, Ria Novosti reports
1:33 PM · Sep 20, 2022·Twitter Web App
@Faytuks
Serbia's president believes that in a "month or two" the world may enter into a conflict that has not been seen since the Second World War, Ria Novosti reports
1:33 PM · Sep 20, 2022·Twitter Web App
jward
passin' thru
??? When and why did this get slipped into the convo?
Fuat
@lilygrutcher
US Airforce Commander: "If decision is made to send US troops to Ukraine, US Airforce will create no-fly zone for Russians over Ukraine within a few hours."
Fuat
@lilygrutcher
US Airforce Commander: "If decision is made to send US troops to Ukraine, US Airforce will create no-fly zone for Russians over Ukraine within a few hours."
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh my!??? When and why did this get slipped into the convo?
Fuat
@lilygrutcher
US Airforce Commander: "If decision is made to send US troops to Ukraine, US Airforce will create no-fly zone for Russians over Ukraine within a few hours."
That’s not gonna sit well if “the wrong people” see it!
jward
passin' thru
Well, if "we" see it, EVERYONE has seen it- and everyone knows that everyone else knows we're all b ut fighting the war ourselves, anyway. . . but admitting these things never seem to end well. Just mean the other parties can't pretend ignorance, but must address in some fashion.
jward
passin' thru
Igor Sushko
@igorsushko
#RUSSIA: Two connected rumors - 1) Putin is starting silent mobilization. Notices are being handed out to conscript in public places in Moscow. 2) Central Bank Governor #Nabiullina submitted her resignation. Nabiullina's condition from start was no mobilization or she resigns.
Russian Telegram channels are freaking out, writing that starting at midnight Sep 21st (5 hours from now) men ages 18-65 will be prohibited from leaving Russia.
If the rumor that Nabiullina submitted her resignation to Putin is true, I'd think it's unlikely Putin will accept it.
Russian Stock Market Index on MOEX crashed nearly 10% on September 20th.
View: https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1572261539607871489?s=20
Viktor Sobolev, member of the Russian Duma (Parliament) Defense Committee, has adamantly denied rumors of mobilization.
JUST IN: Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor to President Biden: Putin is preparing to potential mobilization measures.
View: https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1572269851347136519?s=20
Putin planned to make a speech around 8pm tonight local time Moscow. Let's see if the plan got scrapped.
UPDATE: Putin's speech is being "delayed."
Putin and Shoigu's planned speeches to the nation are already over an hour late. This silence seems ominous for Putin. One can dream.... Unfortunately, #1 coup candidate is #Patrushev.
Putin's press secretary #Peskov has gone radio silent despite being inundated by questions from Russian press. Anxiety in Russia right now is palpable.
Fascist Putin's big speech has been rescheduled for tomorrow, September 21st.
No one in the Russian press / politics so far can recall a single instance of Putin canceling his own officially pre-announced speech.
10:46 AM · Sep 20, 2022·Twitter for Android
Scrapman
Veteran Member
If you haven't noticed Russia has yet to use there airforce. Remember what we used on Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeh. They have the same shit . Fuel air , cluster bombs . Remember that. I don't think this is even close to finished and
Quoting Ukrainian and main stream media reports mean nothing.
Quoting Ukrainian and main stream media reports mean nothing.
okie-carbine
Veteran Member
Up in the thread, it said the speech was for 9am local time on the 21st, so that translates to 2am est tonight.
I would wait up, but probably won't hear anything about it right away. And if they launch the nukes, I would rather be asleep when it happens so I won't know.
He is going to say that they are going full-scale mobilization, full-on war with Ukraine, they are going to "vote" on the eastern parts of Ukraine joining Russia (meaning they are going to take them), nukes will be positioned close by for "defense" of the newly acquired land should it be attacked.
Somebody really needs to find out what Russia's nuclear doctrine states. I bet it says that if any part of Russia is attacked, nuclear weapons are fully authorized for immediate use.
I would wait up, but probably won't hear anything about it right away. And if they launch the nukes, I would rather be asleep when it happens so I won't know.
He is going to say that they are going full-scale mobilization, full-on war with Ukraine, they are going to "vote" on the eastern parts of Ukraine joining Russia (meaning they are going to take them), nukes will be positioned close by for "defense" of the newly acquired land should it be attacked.
Somebody really needs to find out what Russia's nuclear doctrine states. I bet it says that if any part of Russia is attacked, nuclear weapons are fully authorized for immediate use.
Mprepared
Veteran Member
11 Pacific time and I am not sure I want to hear because I might not be able to go to sleep.
Russia has been avoiding a full scale draft, which would constitute a "mobilization".
onetimer
Veteran Member
Nope, don't like the timing on statements like this.
JAPAN PM KISHIDA: THREAT OF USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AS RUSSIA DID, LET ALONE USE OF THEM, CANNOT BE ACCEPTED
View: https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1572379364326780928?t=MjFEyy1dHI1hishXeG-s4g&s=19
JAPAN PM KISHIDA: THREAT OF USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AS RUSSIA DID, LET ALONE USE OF THEM, CANNOT BE ACCEPTED
View: https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1572379364326780928?t=MjFEyy1dHI1hishXeG-s4g&s=19
okie-carbine
Veteran Member
From Wikipedia:
According to a Russian military doctrine stated in 2010, nuclear weapons could be used by Russia "in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies, and also in case of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is threatened". Most military analysts believe that, in this case, Russia would pursue an 'escalate to de-escalate' strategy, initiating limited nuclear exchange to bring adversaries to the negotiating table. Russia will also threaten nuclear conflict to discourage initial escalation of any major conventional conflict.[
According to a Russian military doctrine stated in 2010, nuclear weapons could be used by Russia "in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies, and also in case of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is threatened". Most military analysts believe that, in this case, Russia would pursue an 'escalate to de-escalate' strategy, initiating limited nuclear exchange to bring adversaries to the negotiating table. Russia will also threaten nuclear conflict to discourage initial escalation of any major conventional conflict.[
onetimer
Veteran Member
Transponders off
There are no trackable NATO aircraft from the Black Sea to the Baltics. Not one.
Only I could find were a RQ4 heading from Sigonella to Southern France (RICO28) and 3 AAR assets (1 Italian and 2 French) in Southern France
View: https://twitter.com/Felix_Nuno/status/1572377515020124161?t=3LqNsVOoCjjgoAebo6tZow&s=19
There are no trackable NATO aircraft from the Black Sea to the Baltics. Not one.
Only I could find were a RQ4 heading from Sigonella to Southern France (RICO28) and 3 AAR assets (1 Italian and 2 French) in Southern France
View: https://twitter.com/Felix_Nuno/status/1572377515020124161?t=3LqNsVOoCjjgoAebo6tZow&s=19
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Game Changer? Immediate Referendums, Ukraine's Spent Reserves - Russian Ops in Ukraine 09/21/2022
Runtime - 34:20
Sep 20, 2022 Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for September 21, 2022
- Referendums have been announced across Russian-held territory in Ukraine;
- If incorporated into the Russian Federation, Moscow could upgrade the special military operation significantly;
- The US Department of Defense, in a recent briefing, seems to acknowledge the limits of what aid it can provide Ukraine;
- Western analysts appear to agree that Ukraine’s offensives may have been a final gamble, exhausting their reserves and leaving them at the mercy of subsequent Russian escalations;
References:
US Department of Defense - Senior Defense Official and Senior Military Official Hold a Background Briefing SEPT. 19, 2022: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...
Newsweek - Putin Gives Army September Deadline to Take More Ukraine Land: Official: https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-put...
Österreichs Bundesheer (YouTube) - "All in!" The Ukrainian Offensives in Cherson and Charkiv: https://youtu.be/Q9-NER8aFJ4
Washington Post - Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
They're either still there and have gone dark, or some "toys"are about to fly?
Right now there are several cargo planes and at least refueler. I check this almost nightly and this seems about normal for traffic at this time.
It also allows them to call up there reserves which they couldnt under the SMO.
DuckandCover
Proud Sheeple
Russian stocks crash on signs Putin may escalate Ukraine war with military mobilization and Ukraine annexation
Lawmakers are advancing legislation to heighten punishments for military crimes, raising fears of full mobilization.
Russian stocks crash on signs Putin may escalate Ukraine war with military mobilization and Ukraine annexation
Lawmakers are advancing legislation to heighten punishments for military crimes, raising fears of full mobilization.www.yahoo.com
I guess so much for the "strong" ruble...
DuckandCover
Proud Sheeple
Yeah, I believe that majority of the strength in the ruble was because the Russian gov't required Russian corporations to buy a certain amount of rubles. That is a major reason why the ruble was up for a while.
You are correct.
I would not have expected Putin to screw this up so much.
See we can agree. Cats and Dogs living together must be a new age of miracles!!!!
;-)
might be time to follow Monkey Werx for sketchy gov jets scattering the demo rats to their gold plated bunkers.
