MNKYPOX Monkeypox - Consolidated Thread.

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Monkeypox was first discovered in a colony of monkeys in 1958 when they were testing the polio vaccine. First found in a human in 1970 when they were looking for smallpox in DRC.

Start at the 5 minute mark:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0AZsQ_UCbg
Monkeypox Update
1 hr 16 sec
Jun 14, 2022
Monkeypox is a rare infectious disease first discovered in 1958 after outbreaks occurred in monkeys kept for research. It is a more benign version of smallpox that is endemic in parts of Central and West Africa. During this panel conversation, we will discuss what is monkeypox, how concerned we should be in the U.S. and around the world, and measures that state, national, and international organizations are taking to monitor and address this issue.


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Monkeypox was first discovered in 1958 when two outbreaks of a pox-like disease occurred in colonies of monkeys kept for research. The first human case of monkeypox was recorded in 1970 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo during a period of intensified effort to eliminate smallpox.
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
What I’d like to hear is what are people doing about it when they contract it? What IS helping them? If they aren’t getting help from doctors, is there anything OTC that can help at all?

Here is a list of items that I found and posted made into a google document by one of the positive cases. It is a list of things that helped them:


Found this google document, made by one of the positive cases in the hospital (listed in the main Monkeypox Thread) with what they found helpful in the treatment of the symptoms of Monkeypox.



Specifically listed in the document:

Remedies that might help and/or to ask your doctor about:
  • Antivirals, primarily Tecovirimat, but can be hard to get**
  • Narcotic painkillers, especially for constant pain and sleep issues
  • Hydroxyzine pills for itching and to help sleep
  • OralJet for oral lesions
  • Epsom salt sitz baths for perianal/genital lesion pain
  • Steroid/cortizone creams for lesions (debated by doctors, more info needed)
  • Sleep aids (meltaonin, etc)
  • Tylenol and Advil to alternate and maximize daily dosage allowances
  • Lidocaine cream to numb pain (mixed anecdotal results)
  • Vaseline for perianal area
    • Air interacting with the sores can cause pain. Adding a thick layer over the area to completely coat before bed might help with sleep.
  • Anti-scarring ointments for when the lesions have scabbed and are falling off
 

meandk0610

Veteran Member
I am surprised that is your experience, summerthyme. Because, I have read studies that seem to indicate it does help with viruses...
Silver Nanoparticles as Potential Antiviral Agents Silver Nanoparticles as Potential Antiviral Agents
Silver nanoparticles are broad-spectrum bactericidal and virucidal compounds
So, there are some variables that are not clear. If you have a theory about the different results, I would love to hear it.
In our family’s experience, my DD and I have had noticeable reductions in cold symptoms when using CS prior to COVID (haven’t really been sick since because we mask due to my health conditions). We use the Sovereign Silver “bio-active silver hydrosol.”
 

psychgirl

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Hmm…they’re updating this morning. I only checked it just to see if they were…

22,953 world cases

5,189 United States cases -holding steady but remember, the US always lags behind submitting new numbers.
 

psychgirl

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Just noticed my preferred N95 mask is on sale on Amazon, reduced in price by over 20% to under $15 for 20 masks.

3M Personal Protective Equipment 8210 Particulate Respirator, N95, Pack of 20 Disposable Respirator, Two-Strap Cup Style Design, Lightweight with Cushioning Nose Foam
Thais a good price.
Unfortunately for me though, the only ones that fit my face correctly are the child sized N95. Mine are the black N95.
I got 50 masks for 22$ on sale….a couple of months ago.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I use the 3M half-mask with replaceable filters. The masks come in three sizes. Very good fit, very comfortable. I wear those all day when working with dust, etc. Don't have the model number handy.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
This story is REALLY making the rounds, today.
But, are we sure that is pox, or maybe just a skin disorder? I don’t think it’s fair to assume the story is true, as presented (?)

Perhaps he doesn't actually have MP. But if his quote of his doctor is correct, his doctor should be in a different line of work.
 

psychgirl

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Perhaps he doesn't actually have MP. But if his quote of his doctor is correct, his doctor should be in a different line of work.
Yeah, that’s the even stranger part of this story!

Also, I’d “think” if he was this heavily infected, wouldn’t he be too sick to be out and about like that??
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Wut are you bleating about now?
Are you hoping a few brainwashed sheep on the board will fall for your pro-vaxx, pro-Big Pharma word salads? LOL
No just laughing at the unhinged paranoia.

It's quite funny to watch "don't comply ima purebred sheep" do exactly what they hope you will do.

Carry on....pretty please!
 

somewherepress

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No just laughing at the unhinged paranoia.

It's quite funny to watch "don't comply ima purebred sheep" do exactly what they hope you will do.

Carry on....pretty please!

Paranoia? LOL
Precisely whom are the "they" who hope I will not comply? Are they in the room with you now? :sheep::stfu::jstr:
 

somewherepress

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No just laughing at the unhinged paranoia.

It's quite funny to watch "don't comply ima purebred sheep" do exactly what they hope you will do.

Carry on....pretty please!

Do you find stuff like this--that results from forced compliance-- funny to watch too?:

View: https://twitter.com/ManoGov/status/1553405165633523713

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phloydius

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I went in and looked at the other posts by this poster, and copied the google translations in order (as best I could ascertain):

Could it be that I was infected in a 15-minute contact in which we only greeted each other by shaking hands? Contact with a medical friend who tells me about contagious sores on the face and hands. The boy confirms that he has had small injuries even before being diagnosed.

Mei Rito @mei_rito
July 30, 2022

Yesterday I was diagnosed with monkeypox. No, I haven't participated in any sex party as the WHO says, nor have I gotten a tattoo... You're going to freak out when you find out how I caught it #MonkeyViruelaDelMono

Three weeks ago I decided to park my bike due to the high temperatures and I contacted a guy on Wallapop who was selling an electric scooter. We agreed to meet to check on your status.

The transaction was great. A pretty nice guy, he explained everything he had to know about the scooter and let me try it for fifteen minutes on the street to see if it really met my needs. Once the decision is made, we make the exchange and say goodbye.

A week later I start to have a fever and muscle aches. I immediately thought of Covid and had up to 3 PCR tests in the next 48 hours, all negative. Anyway, I ask to work from home for what might happen.

Without feeling much better, two days ago I decided to return to the warehouse where I work and when I go to pick up the scooter, I see that the pressure in the wheels has dropped, so I write to the seller to ask him how often I should fill them.

A few minutes later he calls me. He gives me all the information I needed and, speaking of other topics, he tells me that, SURPRISE, a few days ago he was diagnosed with monkeypox after several days with symptoms. That's where my alarm goes off.

That same day I go to the ER and they do tests. Positive for monkeypox. The most likely contagion, according to what they tell me, given that my sexual life has not changed, is that the virus ended up on my mucous membranes after impregnating me with it on the handles of the scooter.

Could it be that I was infected in a 15-minute contact in which we only greeted each other by shaking hands? Contact with a medical friend who tells me about contagious sores on the face and hands. The boy confirms that he has had small injuries even before being diagnosed.

I am a normal person, I am not used to this repercussion, nor am I comfortable with it. In any case, I must thank you for your concern and messages of encouragement. I feel fine and am under medical supervision.
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
Note: Some great notes from a health care worker (nurse) in Dallas, Texas. I would also note that last I read, the Fed.gov has only provide the Dallas / Fort Worth metroplex about 100 vaccines (and reports that they are sending the majority to California, New York, and DC). This number has too be to small, but I've not seen a number reported higher than that, yet.

View: https://twitter.com/pooroverspender/status/1553584205501702149


Mar @pooroverspender
Jul 30, 2022
Oh hell nah. I showed up to work and 1/3 suspected monkey pox cases confirmed on the floor as of now, many positive on other floors, plus covid patients. YALL NEED TO PAY US EXTRA #hospital #HealthcareWorkers #monkeypox #dallas #texas

Mar @pooroverspender
Replying to @pooroverspender
And in regards to covid spikes, just remember healthcare workers (not all) in hospitals were not granted covid leave if they came in contact and if they tested positive. We still had to work while having covid and many patients got it because of infected employees.

bumblebuzz @bumblebuzz6
Replying to @marlennelram_ and @ToshiAkima
Do HCWers have access to Jynneos?

Mar @pooroverspender
At my location, no. There has been no talk about any vaccine here at all (Texas)
*Dallas

Mar @pooroverspender
Yes they are hiring travel nurses again and have float pools cause staffing is so bad. I already get paid nothing for being a cna although I’m working with these people, cleaning them, touching every fluid possible. They don’t care.

Mar @pooroverspender
On my specific floor, one positive as of now, but new admissions are suspected to be positive. We were told there are multiple in different floors and they are NOT in isolated units.

Michael Ben-Yehuda @M_Ben_Yehuda
Replying to @marlennelram_
Well ya better put on the full PPE or you'll go home with the Mpx on us and get sick in a few weeks. Dry particles from the linens can infect you.

Mar @pooroverspender
We have the ppe at the moment but I’m afraid that might not be for long. In general there has been supply shortage in everything.
 

somewherepress

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For pioneering AIDS activists, monkeypox outbreak evokes déjà vu
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As cases of monkeypox surge around the globe, four pioneers of the AIDS activist movement watch in awe and with a sense of nostalgia.
Some of the similarities between the two viruses speak for themselves. Like the HIV strain that started the AIDS pandemic in the late 1970s, the current monkeypox outbreak has emerged from sub-Saharan Africa and has been found overwhelmingly in men who have sex with men who live in the world’s metropolises. And while epidemiologists have not reached a complete understanding of how the current outbreak of monkeypox spreads, recent research points to sexual transmission.
Four pioneering AIDS activists of the 1980s and ‘90s contend that there are other, consequential yet less obvious parallels playing out in real-time.
Image: People hold up signs representing the numbers of AIDS victims in a demonstration in support of AIDS victims in Central Park in New York City on Aug. 8, 1983. (Allan Tannenbaum / Getty Images file)
© Allan TannenbaumImage: People hold up signs representing the numbers of AIDS victims in a demonstration in support of AIDS victims in Central Park in New York City on Aug. 8, 1983. (Allan Tannenbaum / Getty Images file)
As in the early days of the AIDS crisis, they argue, government messaging around the outbreak has been flawed, gay men have been blindsided and public health officials have failed to defeat a severe disease plaguing the LGBTQ community.
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“It feels like déjà vu,” said gay rights activist Peter Tatchell, who was a leading member of the Gay Front in the United Kingdom. “The lessons from the AIDS crisis and Covid have clearly not been learned.

Public health officials around the world were slow to combat AIDS when it first began to emerge in men who have sex with men during the late 1970s. It wasn’t until June 5, 1981, that the United States released the world’s first government report on the infectious disease in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, a government bulletin on perplexing disease cases.
“In the period October 1980-May 1981, 5 young men, all active homosexuals, were treated for biopsy-confirmed Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia at 3 different hospitals in Los Angeles, California,” the report read. “Two of the patients died.”

Three years later the U.S. government announced the development of an AIDS test, in addition to a vaccine, which never came to fruition. By 1985, an estimated 12,000 Americans had died of the disease.

Similarly, activists argue that the global response to tame monkeypox has been too slow to curb ballooning case numbers — more than 20,500 cases of the current monkeypox outbreak have been reported globally across 77 countries and territories since the start of May, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

No one has died from monkeypox outside the 11 African nations where the infectious disease has become endemic since it was discovered in 1970. However, a substantial proportion of patients infected with monkeypox have been hospitalized for severe pain caused by pimple-like sores that commonly develop.

Since the first cases were discovered in May, the United States has distributed nearly 200,000 Jynneos vaccines — a two-dose vaccine to prevent smallpox and monkeypox — to the most at-risk population, far short of its roughly 3.8 million gay men. In France, only an estimated 6,000 people have been vaccinated across more than 100 vaccine centers in recent weeks, French Minister of Social Affairs and Health François Braun said on Monday. And in the United Kingdom, health officials ordered an additional 100,000 vaccine doses last week to keep up with ballooning demand.

Last Saturday, the World Health Organization declared monkeypox a public health emergency of international concern, a designation reserved for the most threatening global disease outbreaks, after initially forgoing to do so last month. More than two months after the first U.S. case of monkeypox was detected in mid-May, on Thursday, public health officials in New York City issued a declaration that the infectious disease posed an imminent threat to public health, and officials in San Francisco declared a state of emergency.

“What’s interesting is that many of the scientists and clinicians who were trained during the AIDS epidemic or were there at the beginning, people like Tony Fauci, know this history, but the response to monkeypox has been alarmingly slow and chaotic,” said Gregg Gonsalves, who joined Act Up — the leading group that fought for action to combat AIDS — in 1990 and is now a professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health. “As an individual, it’s like, ‘Three strikes you’re out, man.’ HIV, Covid and now monkeypox? How many times can you make the same mistakes over and over again?”

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Representatives from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which Dr. Anthony Fauci has directed since 1984, and officials from the White House, where Fauci is serving as the chief medical adviser to the president, did not immediately respond to NBC News’ requests for comment.


Images of men waiting in long lines outside clinics around the world to get vaccinated, technical issues with online vaccine portals and reports that accused the U.S. government of developing a “wait-and-see” response to the outbreak — reportedly calling for shipments of vaccines only as cases surged in the last handful of weeks — have piled on to activists’ concerns that the public health response to monkeypox is shaping up to be a repeat of its flawed strategy to combat AIDS.
People lined up outside of Department of Health & Mental Hygiene clinic on June 23, 2022 in New York, as NYC makes vaccines available to residents possibly exposed to monkeypox. (Tayfun Coskun / Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)
© Provided by NBC NewsPeople lined up outside of Department of Health & Mental Hygiene clinic on June 23, 2022 in New York, as NYC makes vaccines available to residents possibly exposed to monkeypox. (Tayfun Coskun / Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)

Although the virus started spreading in May, the U.S. didn’t order more monkeypox vaccine doses to add to its stockpile until June. Regulators also did not finish inspecting a key Denmark facility manufacturing monkeypox vaccines until July, leaving 1.1 million ready-to-distribute doses stuck in Europe.

“Just like during the AIDS pandemic, it seems that some governments care very little so long as monkeypox is just affecting men who have sex with men,” said Tatchell, who was turned away from a hospital in London that had run out of monkeypox vaccine last Sunday. “What other explanation can there be? Governments should have been rolling out emergency vaccination programs for gay and bisexual men two or three weeks ago.”

Some veteran AIDS activists also argue that as during the AIDS crisis, the messaging to combat monkeypox has not been tailored enough to reach the LGBTQ community.

Ron Goldberg, an early AIDS activist who joined Act Up in 1987, points to the “America Responds to AIDS” public service announcement campaign, which the government launched at the height of the crisis in the late 1980s. Many of the commercials featured heterosexual couples and displayed messages including “AIDS Is Everyone’s Problem.”

“At that time, they were so afraid of talking about gay sex, or anything like that, they had to bland out the message when they were trying to give some information,” Goldberg said. “If it’s happening within a certain population, you have to direct your messaging to that certain population.”

Activists have largely applauded public health officials’ efforts to not link monkeypox directly to the LGBTQ community — as many believe they did with AIDS — and thereby create stigma. However, some argue that repeated statements from public health officials that “anyone can get monkeypox” mirrors AIDS messaging that “anyone can get the AIDS virus” and also circumvents efforts to alert the demographic most at risk.

Research overwhelmingly suggests that the current outbreak of monkeypox is being driven overwhelmingly by men who have sex with men. A study in the New England Journal of Medicine published last week found that of the 528 cases of monkeypox researchers analyzed, 98% were found in men who identified as gay or bisexual. Another recent report by the the British Health Security Agency finding that of the 699 monkeypox cases for which there was available information, 97% were in gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men.

“The numbers are there,” said Didier Lastrade, who founded the first French chapter of Act Up in 1989. “We shouldn’t shy away from this. … We’re big people, we’re grown-ups, we can take it. The stigmatization is happening either way.”
On Thursday, the WHO recommended that gay and bisexual men limit their number of sexual partners to protect themselves from monkeypox and contain its spread.

But compiled with two years of pandemic isolation and big summer events, such last weekend’s annual Pines Party on Fire Island, some activists fear it will be difficult to get gay and bisexual men to curtail their sexual behaviors.
“You want to be able to reach people in their 20s and 30s and say, ‘Look, this is no joke.You’ve all seen the pictures. You’ve all had friends who have had monkeypox. You don’t want it,’” Gonsalves said.

More broadly speaking, Lastrade argued, the advent of pre-exposure prophylaxis, the HIV prevention pill also known as PrEP, along with scientific proof over the past decade that treating HIV can prevent transmission, have caused gay and bisexual men to fall asleep at the wheel when it comes to their sexual health.

“The new generation totally forgot about the story of AIDS. I keep on writing books about AIDS, but nobody reads them,” said Lastrade. “When s— happens, they forget their reflexes that we used to have because it was a question of life or death.”
Regardless of the messaging, with a lackluster global vaccine rollout, the activists fear the virus will become an infectious disease the LGBTQ community has to permanently live with, as they did with AIDS decades ago.

“Many people are saying we’re past the point of containment, that we already missed our chance,” Gonsalves said. “If that’s true, that is incredibly serious because this disease doesn’t necessarily kill, but the enormous suffering and expense of all of this is going to put a burden on many, many people, many, many health systems and many, many communities who have been already plagued.”
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phloydius

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Death Rate PSA

I have see a few posts start to pop up on social media saying things like "only 2 deaths" or "only 4 deaths" or "less deadly than Delta". They normally reference a rate of about 0.01% - 0.02% chance of dying, comparing the number of deaths (2-4) to the number of total cases (over 20,000). This is a very false reference. One important reason is that Monkeypox does not kill you the first day you start to show symptoms!

We do NOT know what the death rate for this version of the virus will end up being, and honestly the death rate is quite honestly one of the less scary parts of this disease.

What we do know is that the two old versions of Monkeypox had a death rate of 1% and 10%, as one was considerably more deadly than the other one. Those death rates were in areas of countries in Africa which had very limited health care. So, it is likely the death rate would be much lower with much better health care. I was never able to find a single case where someone flew from Africa, infected with Monkeypox already, into a country in Europe or North America that died of Monkeypox.

One data point I am missing is the average amount of time that someone takes to die after with/from Monkeypox. I do have a note in my old notes (Y2k-2010) that someone dies 4-8 weeks after showing the first symptoms. There is no mention of where I pulled that information from, and when I went out recently to validate it I have been unable to find any research that collaborates that data. However I have found quite a bit of data that says that "mild" cases resolve themselves within about 3 weeks after the first lesion appears. So until I find better data, I have been moving forward with the assumption that if you die with/from Monkeypox it is likely to take at least 4 weeks, and may take up to 8 weeks on average.

So if we take the 5 deaths, and compare them to the number of cases 4 weeks (6627) and 8 weeks ago (988), we get very different death rates than 0.01% - 0.02%. [And yes, I write down the number of total world wide and US cases every morning].

We get a death rate between 0.07% - 0.5% with the amazing full support of a dedicated medical staff focusing on their care.


If the numbers start piling up in the next few weeks, I may make future reference to the death rate in this format -- unless someone finds and posts better data that tells us how long Monkeypox takes to kill someone.
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
What we do know is that the two old versions of Monkeypox had a death rate of 1% and 10%, as one was considerably more deadly than the other one. Those death rates were in areas of countries in Africa which had very limited health care. So, it is likely the death rate would be much lower with much better health care.

What we don't know is what kind of practical support victims had. Medical care is one thing, but if the victims are in extreme pain they need someone forcing food on them and tending to body needs. Depending on the culture for various African victims, the outcomes might be quite different for that reason alone.

In a Western setting, this amounts to family support. It's clear that MP is already taking a toll on medical workers. Several have forecast a collapse of the hospital system, which is not implausible, but overloading is almost a gimme. So outcomes may well depend on family support, and singles and elderly may have very bad outcomes simply by virtue of being alone. How many twenty-somethings far from home will find that their BFFs suddenly melt away when faced with MP?
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Death Rate PSA

I have see a few posts start to pop up on social media saying things like "only 2 deaths" or "only 4 deaths" or "less deadly than Delta". They normally reference a rate of about 0.01% - 0.02% chance of dying, comparing the number of deaths (2-4) to the number of total cases (over 20,000). This is a very false reference. One important reason is that Monkeypox does not kill you the first day you start to show symptoms!

We do NOT know what the death rate for this version of the virus will end up being, and honestly the death rate is quite honestly one of the less scary parts of this disease.

What we do know is that the two old versions of Monkeypox had a death rate of 1% and 10%, as one was considerably more deadly than the other one. Those death rates were in areas of countries in Africa which had very limited health care. So, it is likely the death rate would be much lower with much better health care. I was never able to find a single case where someone flew from Africa, infected with Monkeypox already, into a country in Europe or North America that died of Monkeypox.

One data point I am missing is the average amount of time that someone takes to die after with/from Monkeypox. I do have a note in my old notes (Y2k-2010) that someone dies 4-8 weeks after showing the first symptoms. There is no mention of where I pulled that information from, and when I went out recently to validate it I have been unable to find any research that collaborates that data. However I have found quite a bit of data that says that "mild" cases resolve themselves within about 3 weeks after the first lesion appears. So until I find better data, I have been moving forward with the assumption that if you die with/from Monkeypox it is likely to take at least 4 weeks, and may take up to 8 weeks on average.

So if we take the 5 deaths, and compare them to the number of cases 4 weeks (6627) and 8 weeks ago (988), we get very different death rates than 0.01% - 0.02%. [And yes, I write down the number of total world wide and US cases every morning].

We get a death rate between 0.07% - 0.5% with the amazing full support of a dedicated medical staff focusing on their care.


If the numbers start piling up in the next few weeks, I may make future reference to the death rate in this format -- unless someone finds and posts better data that tells us how long Monkeypox takes to kill someone.
Thank you for keeping notes and understanding this disease death rate.

I’ve been doing chores, just peeking in a second
 

somewherepress

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Monkeypox Terror vs. LGBTQ© Agenda: When Contradictory Leftist Narratives Collide
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BY TDB
FRIDAY, JUL 29, 2022 - 13:04
by Ben Bartee via The Daily Bell
One of the more pernicious tactics that the social justice movement uses is placing its opponents into rhetorical double-binds:
“A psychological predicament in which a person receives from a single source conflicting messages that allow no appropriate response to be made.”
Once you understand how this manipulative trick works, you’ll discover it everywhere in SJW discourse.

For example, let’s take the recent monkeypox scare, which primarily affects homosexual men – or, to use the new PC phrase, “men who have sex with other men.”

Via Associated Press:

“So far, more than 2,800 U.S. cases have been reported as part of an international outbreak that emerged two months ago. About 99% have been men who reported having sex with other men, health officials say.”
On the one hand, LGBTQ+++© activists criticize the public health response on the grounds that it’s not responsive enough to the needs of “vulnerable” populations.

Via ABC News:

“Demonstrators, including many LGBTQ activists, say officials have yet to provide the necessary outreach to vulnerable populations as issues continue to plague the vaccine rollout.”
And via MSN:

“Some LGBTQ critics have accused government officials of being slow to tackle the outbreak because it is primarily affecting LGBTQ men, a community that has long faced discrimination and limited care when it comes to health crises.”
Yet, on the other hand, tailoring the monkeypox response to gay men – who, again, account for 99% of cases, is framed as “stigmatizing”:

Via LA Times:

“The singling out has sparked fears that gay and bisexual men, who appear to account for most of Europe’s monkeypox cases so far, are once again in danger of being stigmatized as carriers of an exotic and frightening disease.”
And via The Conversation:

“Many cases, but not all, that were recently reported were in gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men. This is unfortunate as there is a real danger here of further stigma being generated towards this group
They have suffered tremendously over the years with the stigma attached to infectious disease, most notably with the HIV/Aids pandemic, and there is still a strong undercurrent of homophobia even in countries with strong LGBTQ+ rights.”
LGBTQ+++© activists make contradictory, simultaneous criticisms:

  • Monkeypox specifically affects homosexual men and not framing it explicitly as an LGBTQ+++© public health emergency is negligent/discriminatory
  • Monkeypox is not an LGBTQ+++©-specific disease and framing it as such is homophobic/discriminatory
Consequently, the doctors and “experts” tasked with administering the Public Health© response to monkeypox walk on eggshells to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of the LGBTQ+++© community:

“Doctors and public-health experts have spoken to the BBC about the ‘delicate balance’ of keeping those currently most at risk informed, without stigmatising them or letting others become complacent.”
No matter the response from the government, the LGBTQ+++© community emerges as the victim. And since victimhood is the ultimate virtue in their ideology, they win.

This evidences the iron law: you can’t ever win with these people when you play the game on their terms. They require submission to their demands, but meeting those demands is impossible because they contradict one another.

Using the same tactic, LGBTQ+++© activists make both of the following claims at the same time.

  • LGBTQ+++© persons are just like everyone else; they want to live their lives like everyone else; transgender women are women; they should be permitted to play on whatever sports team they want
  • LGBTQ+++© persons are unique; Transgender women deserve special consideration and representation; roles in films should for transgender women should be reserved exclusively for transgender women; ignoring their transgenderism erases their identity
In effect, if you treat a transgender women exactly like any regular fronthole woman, you’re a bigot who denies their existence. If you treat a transgender woman differently than a regular fronthole woman, you’re discriminating against the protected class and, therefore, also a bigot.

“The answer is ‘bigot.’ I forgot the question.”
-the SJW ethos


Here’s yet another recent example of duplicitous logic, regarding the British bank Halifax’s policy of coercing its employees to wear pronoun badges like Jews in Nazi Germany.



The LGBTQ+++© activist guest makes two claims:

  • “[Trans people] just want a boring life. They don’t want to be talked about.” Conversations about pronoun badges cause trauma to LGBTQ+++© people
  • More banks need to mandate employees wear pronoun badges at work to virtue-signal their acknowledgment of the unique suffering of LGBTQ+++© individuals
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The smug face of rhetorical victory over the cis-scum

So, talking about trans identities is traumatizing, as is not actively acknowledging them at all times while at work with pronoun badges.

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You can never win the game. You can never be a good enough “ally.” If you’re a member of the oppressor class, like white or straight or male, you can never compensate enough for your “privilege.”

The point is to confuse and disorient you, to scramble your critical thinking faculties by forcing you to accept contradictory ideas as equally valid.

As a tool of social blackmail, it also enables the in-group (in this case, the LGBTQ+++© “community”) to smear anyone in the out-group at will. Anything and everything, no matter on which side of a given issue, can be denounced as bigotry at any time.

The ultimate aim is to induce uncritical compliance.

In the end, you’ll just go along with whatever nonsense, without question, to avoid accusations of bigotry.

Unless you decide to quit playing the game on their terms.
 
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