CORONA Ragnarok's Ponderings on Where we are Headed

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I'm sitting here contemplating all that is going on in America and where this seems to be leading. The fact that we are so willing to give up the core of what it means to be an American is depressing. Almost everyone has someone in their family that fought against fascism, many died, almost everyone sacrificed in some way to preserve liberty. Is this the country they imagined saving?

I look at the current administration and it appears to be a rudderless ship in a category 5 hurricane. And we all know what eventually happens to a rudderless boat in a tempest.

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The lack of an opposing voice is quite disheartening and confusing. Can nobody see the long term implications? Are we satisfied with the chants and slogans of "Drain the Swamp" with no further action? Are we content to watch Rand Paul lay out a clear cut case of Fauci lying to congress and the referral to the DOJ for a criminal investigation? Are we seriously placing our trust and the future of America in the DOJ? Waco, Ruby Ridge, the January 6th debacle...

When will we say, "Enough!"

I am praying that the line in the sand will be mandatory vaccines because if we fold on this we will have shackled ourselves to the whims and decrees of the government.

Fauci has been given the reins of power by an evil administration. Fauci is dictating policy. Social distancing, wearing a mask indoors and outdoors, wearing 2 masks... 3 masks... Lockdowns, rent and eviction moratoriums, this is all originating from him.

Through his constant exposure in the media and through their hype machine Fauci has surrounded himself in the cult of personality. He has the entertainment industry, the sports industry, the "news" industry all calling for "consequences" for the unvaccinated. Local governments are restricting access to nightclubs, restaurants, theatres, sporting events, retail shops, grocery shops and many other venues. You are not allowed to enter unless you are vaccinated. There are health workers teaming up with military members to go house-to-house to encourage vaccines. They will even give you the shot right there, on the spot. They are compiling a list of those who have submitted to the government by taking the vaccine and those who have not. The Governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, is calling for citizens to be rounded up and driven to get vaccines. Many other congressmen, governors, city mayors and others involved in policy making are calling for "vaccine mandates".

This vaccine has not been approved by the FDA and is still considered "experimental". It is supposed to be against the law to mandate an experimental vaccine but here we are.

If the government becomes directly involved in enforcement, where does that lead?

Denial of business licenses? Denial of driver's licenses? Building permits? VA benefits, Property confiscation? Denial of any welfare or social security benefits? It's a scary list.

The country has been divided along race classes, political classes, wealth classes and gender classes. Now we are being further divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated. I've read the history books. This leads to concentration camps.

And the vaccine does not even work like I hear so many argue. "It is the same as the polio vaccine, the smallpox vaccine, the mumps vaccine... You took those, right?"

Yes, because those functioned as vaccines should. They gave lifetime immunity. Even though the mortality rate of those diseases was far and away higher than COVID, we took years to study the vaccine and it's long term effects on the population.

Why the hysterical push to get everyone to take these shots? Why the crazy incentives? Why is no one pumping the brakes as we slide off the rails?

Because once you take the vaccine you have signed away your birthright of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Fauci's own NIH released the studies.

Fauci knows he can manipulate the virus that he funded with tax dollars to create in the Wuhan lab. Fauci has said that even if the virus was accidentally released into an unsuspecting population the resulting research was "worth it".

Fauci knows that these vaccines decrease the severity of the virus. We all know this, too, because it is all you hear, "The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus, it just lessens the symptoms". Well, how does that work? Because the vaccine kills off the weaker viral load while allowing the stronger to flourish. Which leads to a more virulent strain. The Delta variant is probably the first example of a strain created by the vaccines. The stronger variant is now spread by the vaccinated to the unvaccinated and other vaccinated subjects who have taken a shot but are not protected from the newly mutated strain. Otherwise known as "breakthrough" cases. It is the vaccinated who are putting others at risk, not the unvaccinated.

Further, the efficacy of vaccines degrades over time... Unless you get booster shots. And, you will need additional vaccines to "protect" against the newer, stronger variants... That are being created by those same vaccines in willing test subjects ( it is still an experimental vaccine which means everyone who takes it is nothing more and nothing less than a lab experiment. But, remember, Fauci says that the knowledge gained is worth it. )

Fauci now controls government policy, he controls the populace in an ever tightening noose of vaccines and the resulting new strains of covid, he has a cult following, he controls the message people hear through the coddling of the MSM and he has the means to enforce his dictates through the denial of basic life essentials if you refuse to conform. And so far, he has carte blanche.

In other circles throughout history a person with that much power is known as a dictator.

That's a scary thought.

Remember, where we are now only began around 18 months ago.

If this continues unchecked, how much time does America really have left? How much longer is the lifespan of freedom? How much time is left until you no longer have control of your own body... Your own destiny?
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
References ( in no particular order )

NYC to give $100 to those getting COVID-19 vaccine

NYC to give $100 to those getting COVID-19 vaccine

Piers Morgan Calls For Unvaccinated to be Denied Medical Treatment

“Those who refuse to be vaccinated, with no medical reason not to, should be refused NHS care if they then catch covid,” tweeted Morgan. “I’m hearing of anti-vaxxers using up ICU beds in London at vast expense to the taxpayer. Let them pay for their own stupidity & selfishness.”

Morgan failed to mention that those who have chosen not to take the vaccine also pay for the NHS through their taxes.

He subsequently called those who haven’t taken the shot “incredibly stupid and deeply depressing,” asking, “What the f*ck is wrong with you????”

Piers Morgan Calls For Unvaccinated to be Denied Medical Treatment

NYC Mayor: “The Time for Voluntary Vaccines is Over, It’s Time for Mandates”
Communist NYC Mayor: “The Time for Voluntary Vaccines is Over, It’s Time for Mandates”

Celebs, Pundits, Politicians Shame Unvaccinated Americans: ‘A**holes,’ ‘Selfish’
Celebs, Pundits, Politicians Shame the Unvaccinated: 'A**holes,' 'Selfish'

Andrew Cuomo: We Must Knock on Doors, Put People in Cars, ‘Drive them and Get that Vaccine in Their Arm’
Cuomo: We Must 'Drive Them and Get that Vaccine in Their Arm'

Joy Behar: Next Step Is ‘Threats’ for Unvaccinated - They Are Taking Away My ‘Freedom to Not Get Sick’
Behar: Next Step Is 'Threats' for Unvaccinated -- They Are Taking Away My 'Freedom to Not Get Sick'

San Francisco Bars to Require Vaccination, Negative Coronavirus Test to Sit Inside
San Francisco Bars to Require Vaccination, Negative Coronavirus Test

Fauci, CNN, White House, Newsom And Cuomo All Ratchet Up Attacks On Unvaccinated Americans
Fauci claims the next deadly variant will be caused by the unvaccinated
Videos: Fauci, CNN, White House, Newsom And Cuomo All Ratchet Up Attacks On Unvaccinated Americans

California Counties with Above-Average Vaccination Rates Reporting Higher Coronavirus Case Rates
More evidence of leaky vaccines
Analysis: Counties with Above-Average Vaccination Rates Reporting Higher Coronavirus Case Rates

Teachers Unions Push Mandatory Vaccines, Masks for Students
Teachers Unions Push Mandatory Masks, Vaccines for Students

CNN’s Lemon: Unvaccinated Should Not Be Allowed in Supermarkets, Ball Games, Work
CNN's Lemon: Unvaccinated Should Not Be Allowed in Supermarkets, Ball Games, Work

Pfizer Data Claims Third Jab ‘Strongly Boosts’ Protection Against Coronavirus Delta Variant
Vaccines Forever: Pfizer Data Claims Third Jab 'Strongly Boosts' Protection Against Delta Variant

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine efficacy drops to 84% after 6 months, preprint study suggests
The study, supported by Pfizer and BioNTech, has not undergone peer review
Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine efficacy drops to 84% after 6 months, preprint study suggests

Federal law prohibits employers and others from requiring vaccination with a Covid-19 vaccine distributed under an EUA ( Emergency Use Act )

Experimental COVID Shots Cannot Be Mandated

DOJ declares vaccine mandates legal
DOJ declares vaccine mandates legal

Fauci once argued for risky viral experiments - even if they can lead to pandemic
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote at the time.

“Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”


Penn State Sponsors ‘Vaccine Street Team’ to Go Door-to-Door in Philadelphia
UPenn Sponsors 'Vaccine Street Team' to Go Door-to-Door in Philadelphia

You can still get COVID after being vaccinated, but you’re unlikely to get as sick



Remember how leaky vaccines were defined. Compare those definitions with what you are hearing nonstop in the media.




‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses
When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University

These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

“Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk”

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence
Leaky vaccines prevent the development of disease symptoms, but do not protect against infection and the onwards transmission of pathogens, which has been a concern because the consequences for unvaccinated contact individuals are unknown
An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence - Nature Reviews Microbiology

Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence ( This is the NIH Release )
Many livestock and human vaccines are leaky because they block symptoms but do not prevent infection or onward transmission. This leakiness is concerning because it increases vaccination coverage required to prevent disease spread and can promote evolution of increased pathogen virulence. Despite leakiness, vaccination may reduce pathogen load, affecting disease transmission dynamics. However, the impacts on post-transmission disease development and infectiousness in contact individuals are unknown.

Leaky vaccines are commonly used to prevent or alleviate disease symptoms in livestock and are becoming more prevalent among human vaccines. Leakiness allows pathogen populations to persist even at high levels of vaccination coverage, and reduced mortality of vaccinated individuals can lengthen their infectious period and hence promote the evolution of increased pathogen virulence. A better understanding of the overall impacts on populations of vaccination with leaky vaccines is therefore urgently needed.

Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Viruses
The vaccine protects from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out
Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses

Massachusetts General Hospital: Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine
Andrew F. Read of Penn State is one of the more outspoken voices in the field of evolutionary medicine, an emerging specialty that urges medical researchers to account for the forces of evolution in their work. Some of Read’s own research, for instance, looks at the growing problem of antibiotic resistance. Antibiotics kill some germs but allow others to survive, reproduce and emerge as new drug-resistant strains. That sequence of events is a classic exhibition of natural selection at work.

In a controversial 2001 paper in Nature, Read applied similar thinking to vaccines, which work by training the immune system to identify and destroy a specific pathogen. If a vaccine is only partially effective, he argued, it may protect the recipient from disease but allow the pathogen to replicate in the host’s body, which could then spread to unvaccinated populations. At the time, the idea that such evolution could be driven by “leaky” vaccines was only theoretical. But in a paper published last July in PLoS Biology, Read and several colleagues said they have confirmed the idea in a study involving Rhode Island Red chickens.

Read’s group looked at whether a vaccine for Marek’s disease, a condition specific to chickens, created an evolutionary condition that enabled virulent strains to thrive. They infected different groups of chicks—some that had been vaccinated and some that hadn’t—with the most lethal strains of Marek’s disease. Unvaccinated birds died within 10 days. Most vaccinated chicks, meanwhile, survived the infection for 30 days or more. But because the vaccines didn’t make them virus-free, the vaccinated chicks transmitted a great deal of lethal germs through shed feathers, which quickly infected and killed unvaccinated chickens nearby. The experiment suggests that a leaky vaccine can cause recipients to become incubators and carriers of dangerous strains.

Read stresses that vaccines for common diseases such as measles, mumps and polio don’t leak, since they mimic natural immunity, which lasts a lifetime. (Why others leak is harder to say, he adds.) And Read is quick to note that he is strongly in favor of immunization and the advantages it confers to those vaccinated. Those who falsely link childhood vaccinations to autism and other diseases have dampened legitimate conversations, he says. “The fear of risks in the public is leading to a fear of discussion about the risks [of vaccines] in the scientific community,” says Read, “and I think that’s bad all around.”

Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine

Virology: the problem with ‘leaky’ vaccines
Fresh evidence supports the theory that some vaccines lead to the evolution of more virulent viral strains
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" A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "
- Proverbs 22:3

"No man knows but that the last backward glance over his shoulder may be his last look, forever."
Ernie Pyle

Born: 1900
KIA: 1945 Shima Prefecture, Okinawa
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
It's not about the vaccine. It's not about the virus. It's about imposing absolute control, absolute authority, and it is an attempt to annihilate free will and free thought. The virus and the vaccine are only a means to an end. The fanaticism with which this is pursued shows the true evil and insanity of the psychopaths and parasites who are using this bioweapon to attempt to bludgeon the population into absolute obedience.

If your employer threatens to fire you for refusing the vaccine, then they are demonstrating that they are MONSTERS.

If a business will not serve those who refuse the vaccine, then they are exposing themselves as MONSTERS.

If a hospital will not treat those who refuse the vaccine, then they are absolute MONSTERS.

It is time to leave the monsters behind and form a new civilization, a new economy, a breakaway culture.

As in the book of Exodus, it is time to leave behind the slavery of Egypt and enter the wilderness to build something new and enduring.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This is a key interview with Dr. Malone who developed the concept of the MRNA vaccine. He says that we should immediately halt the push for vaccination and only the immune compromised elderly should consider it.

If this turns out to be true, the CDC/public health/Administration will have lost any credibility with the public. People will be extremely angry.

Post 54,659 on the Coronavirus thread



Inventor of mRNA Vaccine: Some Covid Vaccines Make the Virus More Dangerous

By Larry Johnson
Published July 28, 2021 at 8:48pm

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Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S.,, a distinguished physician who discovered RNA transfection and invented mRNA vaccines, was on Steve Bannon’s War Room Weednesday with some alarming news–new data indicates that people who have taken the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are at greater risk of getting Covid than someone who is not vaccinated.

Before you watch the video, you need to understand the term–Antibody-Dependent Enhancement aka ADE:

Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), sometimes less precisely called immune enhancement or disease enhancement, is a phenomenon in which binding of a virus to suboptimal antibodies enhances its entry into host cells, followed by its replication.[1][2] ADE may cause enhanced respiratory disease and acute lung injury after respiratory virus infection (ERD) with symptoms of monocytic infiltration and an excess of eosinophils in respiratory tract.[3] ADE along with type 2 T helper cell-dependent mechanisms may contribute to a development of the vaccine associated disease enhancement (VADE), which is not limited to respiratory disease.

According NBC reporting (I can’t believe I’m citing that outfit as a reliable source):

New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread, my NBC News colleagues are reporting. New indoor masking guidance expected today.

Dr. Malone has warned of this risk for several months. What are we to do?

Malone says that instead of relying on the flawed vaccines, Doctors should use drugs for treating Covid that have proved effective, such as Ivermectin (more about that following the video), is neutralizing Covid:

The Vaccine Causes The Virus To Be More Dangerous 10:07 min

[See website for rest of story]
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
:hmm:
So they skip Zeta, Eta, Theta, Iota, Kappa and went straight to Lambda? Or was I not paying attention? Y’all pease confirm!
View: https://twitter.com/RN_Destiny/status/1420510918082023426?s=19


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Excuse my too early/ morning/ brain fog but is this an ACTUAL SCHEDULE for when they’ll release each new “variant”???

I know I know ..... of course it is, but soooometimes I still question before sharing or swallowing everything I read 100% .

I’ve been way too naive and gullible with so much I now hesitate.
 

Ta-wo-di

Veteran Member
The lack of an opposing voice is quite disheartening and confusing. Can nobody see the long term implications? Are we satisfied with the chants and slogans of "Drain the Swamp" with no further action? Are we content to watch Rand Paul lay out a clear cut case of Fauci lying to congress and the referral to the DOJ for a criminal investigation? Are we seriously placing our trust and the future of America in the DOJ? Waco, Ruby Ridge, the January 6th debacle...

When will we say, "Enough!"
Wow, you must have been sending these comments by telepathy this morning. As I was driving to work my mind was going to exactly the point of "When will we say enough". Where are the descendants of the greatest generation? The greatest generation won simultaneous wars. We can't even fight one and win decisively. Yes I realize there is a different ideology and tactics today, but still. Everyone is supposed to just go hide in the closet or basement because the big bad Rona might get you. I'm not saying there isn't a virus, but oh for crying out loud. When they have to announce that the Ravens quarterback has tested positive again for Covid good grief. How many times has someone gotten the flu multiple times. Fear, fear, fear is all they can spread. Enough already. Take you chances. If you want to wear a mask and stay inside fine go ahead. If you don't then don't wear it and go out. If you want to take the vax that's your choice. I know what mine is, but ENOUGH already. /rant off.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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On a serious note, the op is a fantastic summation of where we're at.

I'm going through an epic battle for the ages in my extended family over this. Hopefully I will come through this.
It also says what I was trying to crystallize in my rant thread about woo, far better than I did. I had a vague set of “feelings,” but Rags’ posts show why I have been feeling so uneasy.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Even since the develop of societies and the common barter (aka fiat declared money) as an exchange of goods and services has allowed those who control and/or accumulate wealth to desire the determination of how they think humanity should evolve.................many are selfish with intent to centralize all wealth and power at the expense of the masses........others have a messiah complex to "save the world from itself" whether than intent leads to a possible better idea of how humanity should be managed or hell on earth..... they are determined to implement that.

Here's the key though to what is going on today...........

In the past wars, economic calamities and violent revolutions have preceded much of these intents............but in today's world of the powers to be elite..........it has been gradualism that rules the day.

So it erodes little by little the past and replaces it with their future..................the frog in the pot with the water being turned up until its too late with too little left to oppose it.......

That's what's going on..........
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
The lack of an opposing voice is quite disheartening and confusing. Can nobody see the long term implications? Are we satisfied with the chants and slogans of "Drain the Swamp" with no further action? Are we content to watch Rand Paul lay out a clear cut case of Fauci lying to congress and the referral to the DOJ for a criminal investigation? Are we seriously placing our trust and the future of America in the DOJ? Waco, Ruby Ridge, the January 6th debacle...

When will we say, "Enough!"

There are plenty of dissenting voices, both from the medical community and everyone else. The problem is every single media organization is in lockstep with the official narrative, and suppresses all other speech. I think their biggest concern is how many dissenters there actually are. If their ability to suppress and control ever faltered I think people would be shocked by just how many are standing shoulder to shoulder with them.

Another argument for building local. Tribe up.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
It also says what I was trying to crystallize in my rant thread about woo, far better than I did. I had a vague set of “feelings,” but Rags’ posts show why I have been feeling so uneasy.

I love and miss Ragnarok's weekly Four Horseman informative recap threads with thoughtful commentary catching you up the week's highlights in posts and news.

They're a lot of work to track down and piece together, but really nice for those that don't have the time to scour through tons of threads and posted information all over the place.

Great thread @Ragnarok!
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
Ragnarok>>>>>THANK YOU!!!!

I was talking with my PCP, who is also my personal friend and co-worker yesterday>>>>>this was the topic of our conversation, as out company is attempting to force the vaccine on all employees>>>>>especially us, the medical providers.

Your information provided MUCH NEEDED information to me and I will pass this on to my small group of others who plan to resist!!

Again>>>>THANK YOU!!
 

jward

passin' thru
America has not shown the resistance (yet) that I had hoped to see-
but it looks and feels to me like some of the many riots and protests globally are authentic,
and not just more colour revolutions. That brings me some hope.

On the other hand, the archbishop comparing greta to a prophet, and the guidestones, among
other things, have me wondering just how deeply through the looking glass
those bat-scat-cray-crays are planning to take us.

Ultimately they cannot touch anything of mine that I value. My heart breaks for you though who
still have spouses and kids this side of the veil : (
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The problem is every single media organization is in lockstep with the official narrative, and suppresses all other speech.

That's the "BIN" so far......................now realize what group has the dominate position of ownership in the media so as to contol its content and you now have the........"GO" to put it together.
 

chumly2071

Contributing Member
In the voice of Master Oogway from Kung Fu Panda, I hear "Woo...No Woo.."

In more seriousness, the harder the push from all aspects of the left, the .gov, etc, the more it reeks of desperation, like they are truly hiding something, or fear total loss of control. Call it conspiracy if you want, but there is much more to this virus/vaccine than we will ever know, and it begins with following the money, and the power. There has been an unprecedented power grab by all levels of government, installed under the guise of "emergency powers", which brazenly taunt constitutionality. The harder they push, the more I question their motives, and any real efficacy of their proposed solutions.

I do think the virus is real, and I know people have died both from it, and/or with it. However, rational thought and logical problem solving on both sides have been discarded with the soiled paper masks. I trust our benevolent .gov less with each passing day.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
The problem is every single media organization is in lockstep with the official narrative, and suppresses all other speech.

That's the "BIN" so far......................now realize what group has the dominate position of ownership in the media so as to contol its content and you now have the........"GO" to put it together.

Every. Single. Time

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Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
It's time to verify your 5.56 and 7.62 pain pill balance. Check to see that you've got adequate pill holders and check the zero on your pill dispensers.

If you don't have an anti-pill plate for your special clothing, you might look around, there are some good prices out there.

These sumbitches won't stop until they force the issue. Then they'll piss and moan about getting their butts (and more) handed to them.

Jeff B.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The problem is every single media organization is in lockstep with the official narrative, and suppresses all other speech.

That's the "BIN" so far......................now realize what group has the dominate position of ownership in the media so as to contol its content and you now have the........"GO" to put it together.

Oh, just go ahead and say what you mean:

It's all because of them dirty "JOOOOS" ain't it?
 
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