POL Virginia father pays last child support payment in with 80,000 pennies, report says

ShadowMan

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OOOOOH it gets even better. How'd you like to be a college educated, successful, single guy in Los Angeles and suddenly you get hit with an order for child support for a kid that's not yours, from a women you've NEVER MET, all because your name got picked out of a telephone book?!? BTW....if I remember correctly his name was something like Garcia. Do you have ANY IDEA how many Garcia's there are in the LOS ANGELES area telephone book?

Judge doesn't care what your side of the story is....YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!! So the guy after several years of battling the courts gets a DNA test that proves unequivocally beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE FATHER and the court totally ignores the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and continues to dock his pay for a kid that is not his.

So he appeals the case and it goes up the chain and still he's paying child support for a kid that's not his. Where it's at in the court system today, I have no idea. The last I heard it was headed to the 9th Federal Court of appeals....ONLY THE WORST FEDERAL COURT IN THE NATION and the MOST overturned court in the ENTIRE SYSTEM....and still he's being forced to pay for child support!! Probably until it hits the Supreme Court.
 
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20Gauge

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9idrr said:
Sorry, but I can't see where the dot-gov has made sure you can't marry. We all make choices, and some of 'em come back to bite us. And if all the money you pay in support comes back into the same household, what's the problem? You're helpin' somebody keep a chair warm at a desk in an office somewhere. :)
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The dot-gov has not made it so you can't marry. It has made it so it is very dangerous to marry for virtually all men.

Why?
She cheats and gets preggo...... you pay regardless. Why? you are married.
She declares you violent? ....... you pay regardless and lose the home.
She divorces you....... you pay regardless and the family suffers as a whole. Why? Because that body warming a chair wants a piece of the action. You end up giving up your piece and not the ex.
 
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byronandkathy2003 said:
it was soc sec that told us if we got married we would loose money ..
i never said it was a problem just that it was stupid ...
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And you can marry and live on lowered income. I could've worked lots more hours over the years that would've meant maybe another 50% in my potential retirement income. Instead I chose to work less and have more time to spend with my family.
BTW, is "loose money" the same as the "spare change" some folks seem to think I have to give 'em? ;)
 
20Gauge

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ShadowMan said:
OOOOOH it gets even better. How'd you like to be a college educated, successful, single guy in Los Angeles and suddenly you get hit with an order for child support for a kid that's not yours, from a women you've NEVER MET, all because your name got picked out of a telephone book?!? BTW....if I remember correctly his name was something like Garcia. Do you have ANY IDEA how many Garcia's there are in the LOS ANGELES (and surrounding area) telephone book?

Judge doesn't care what your side of the story is....YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!! So the guy after several years of battling the courts gets a DNA test that proves unequivocally beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE FATHER and the court totally ignores the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and continues to dock his pay for a kid that is not his.

So he appeals the case and it goes up the chain and still he's paying child support for a kid that's not his. Where it's at in the court system I have no idea. The last I heard it was headed to the 9th court of appeals....ONLY THE WORST FEDERAL COURT IN THE NATION and the MOST overturned court in the ENTIRE SYSTEM....and still he's being forced to pay for child support!! Probably until it hits the Supreme Court.
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and if it is proven he never even met the mother, much less fathered a child, does she have any penalty?

Nope!

Does she pay it back?

Nope! Not a single dime.
 
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20Gauge said:
The dot-gov has not made it so you can't marry. It has made it so it is very dangerous to marry for virtually all men.

Why?
She cheats and gets preggo...... you pay regardless. Why? you are married.
She declares you violent? ....... you pay regardless and lose the home.
She divorces you....... you pay regardless and the family suffers as a whole. Why? Because that body warming a chair wants a piece of the action. You end up giving up your piece and not the ex.
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Hey, and for all you know, she's givin' up that piece to the guy in the chair.;)
 
ShadowMan

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One of the things I've told my kids (mine and step) that I'd gladly pay for SIX MONTHS of PREmarital marriage counseling for them. ANYTHING to avoid the crap I had to go through. Better to get all the skeletons out of the closet, flip all the playing cards face up and sweep out all the dust bunnies from under the couch than going through a divorce.

Far better to spend that money on finding out if their potential partner to be is a pycho bitch/bastard from hell BEFORE the wedding vows than spend a life time of having to deal with the sick bitch/bastards!

P.S. OH and thoroughly check out the family you're marrying into. IF they are crazy as "F", RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!
 
Melodi

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byronandkathy2003 said:
it was soc sec that told us if we got married we would loose money ..
i never said it was a problem just that it was stupid ...
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I knew a lot of older couples even back in the 1990s in this situation, it is a very stupid law that has had older people (or disabled people) having "spiritual marriages" for decades now.

I know of several situations where the Pastors were totally on board with this, it wasn't just the Pagan clergy.
 
Melodi

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On the original topic, the flip side of DNA testing is that today a man doesn't have to get married to end up paying child support. Being married just makes it easier for either custodial parent to claim support.

But if the DNA shows it is your kid, then the judge can order it.

The Los Angeles case was the one I was referring to, there were a number of them but that was already in the news when I was AFDC in San Francisco. Thankfully most of those cases no longer occur because of modern testing and revised regulations but that doesn't repair the damage already done.
 
rob0126

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When .gov considers you and your family corporate entities, its all down hill from there.

Best to divorce from the system (if you can afford it) and be married under God like it has been for thousands of years.
 
West

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iboya said:
Divorce is ugly, parents behave badly, children suffer.
The children should always be the first consideration by both parents.
But emotions get the best of people.
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Agree, I'll just add that the custodian parent that does NOT ask for child support or any kind of aid from safety nets should have first dibs on full custody rights given to them.

Instead the system automatically calls every dad a deadbeat and attach their wages no matter what. That's humiliating and IMO a real racist thing yo do.

Then when hard times do hit they charge compounding interest and take the man's licenses away. Insane.
 
Dennis Olson

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20Gauge said:
Avery Sanford, who is 18 and hasn’t spoken to her father in years
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20Gauge said:
The father told the station that his emotions got the best of him and he regrets the decision.
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I’d do exactly the same thing 7nder those circumstances.

Blacknarwhal said:
"Devastated"? Seriously? How is ANYONE "devastated" by this?
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Do you know how much 80,000 pennies weigh? And how tedious it’d be to pick them up?

iboya said:
He embarrassed himself by showing how spiteful he is toward his children.
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You’re full of it.
 
packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
20Gauge said:
$800 is big money?????? LOL

Mine was in excess of $1500 per month ...... per month...... That was in 1999.
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That was his final payment for that child, go back and read the OP there are other children in the home... how many of them are his and how many of them is he still supporting.
 
Blacknarwhal

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Dennis Olson said:
Do you know how much 80,000 pennies weigh? And how tedious it’d be to pick them up?
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"Tedious" and "devastating" don't belong in the same sentence. Unless you'd like to separate the two with the clause "doesn't mean anything near the same as".

We've already established how much 80,000 pennies weighs; about 500 pounds, I believe was said on this thread. As for picking them up, there are options. Shovels, for one. A Shop-Vac, perhaps.
 
Kathy in FL

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Simple response to most of the problems mentioned ... keep it in your pants and don't even donate sperm.

And for the womens ... put a cork in it and keep your legs crossed.

And make divorces harder to obtain if a minor is involved. I mean if you are going to be unhappy one way or the other what is the difference?
 
packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
ShadowMan said:
One of the things I've told my kids (mine and step) that I'd gladly pay for SIX MONTHS of PREmarital marriage counseling for them. ANYTHING to avoid the crap I had to go through. Better to get all the skeletons out of the closet, flip all the playing cards face up and sweep out all the dust bunnies from under the couch than going through a divorce.

Far better to spend that money on finding out if their potential partner to be is a pycho bitch/bastard from hell BEFORE the wedding vows than spend a life time of having to deal with the sick bitch/bastards!

P.S. OH and thoroughly check out the family you're marrying into. IF they are crazy as "F", RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!
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well I do have some bat shit crazy family members, OC married me anyway. My parents and his parents are deceased, I have zero to do with my crazy brother and his psychotic controlling wife, we live 7.5 hours away, and my life is better because of this distance.
 
packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
Melodi said:
I knew a lot of older couples even back in the 1990s in this situation, it is a very stupid law that has had older people (or disabled people) having "spiritual marriages" for decades now.

I know of several situations where the Pastors were totally on board with this, it wasn't just the Pagan clergy.
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OC and I know several people who are profoundly disabled in spirit marriages as well, and by profound I mean quads, etc. due to a horrific accident.
 
Kathy in FL

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West said:
Agree, I'll just add that the custodian parent that does NOT ask for child support or any kind of aid from safety nets should have first dibs on full custody rights given to them.

Instead the system automatically calls every dad a deadbeat and attach their wages no matter what. That's humiliating and IMO a real racist thing yo do.

Then when hard times do hit they charge compounding interest and take the man's licenses away. Insane.
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Depends on what state you are in. You can't really get alimony here in Florida except under certain extreme circumstances and even then the judge usually says that splitting all jointly held property is all you get. As for child support, it is spelled out here in Florida. The based amount and usually that's it. There can be mediation for more but that's no guarantee, especially if there is more than one child involved. And if the custodial parent prevents the non-custodial parent from exercising their parental rights the judges are just as likely to throw the book at the custodial parent ... perhaps more so from the cases I know of.

In general adult humans act like asses regardless of the circumstances so I have a tendency to ignore the feelz and look at the facts of a case. I don't care what your gender is.
 
packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
Kathy in FL said:
Simple response to most of the problems mentioned ... keep it in your pants and don't even donate sperm.

And for the womens ... put a cork in it and keep your legs crossed.

And make divorces harder to obtain if a minor is involved. I mean if you are going to be unhappy one way or the other what is the difference?
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I tell young women to get a vibrator and stay home and read a book or watch a good movie. You'll have a lot less woes in life if you work on improving yourself and wait for the right person. I would tell the same thing to a young man if he asked me for advice... extreme restraints they have great options for both men and women in their vibrator sections. Keeps the organs healthy and you're less likely to end up with an incurable STD(s) or a baby and unwanted child support.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Kathy in FL said:
Depends on what state you are in. You can't really get alimony here in Florida except under certain extreme circumstances and even then the judge usually says that splitting all jointly held property is all you get. As for child support, it is spelled out here in Florida. The based amount and usually that's it. There can be mediation for more but that's no guarantee, especially if there is more than one child involved. And if the custodial parent prevents the non-custodial parent from exercising their parental rights the judges are just as likely to throw the book at the custodial parent ... perhaps more so from the cases I know of.

In general adult humans act like asses regardless of the circumstances so I have a tendency to ignore the feelz and look at the facts of a case. I don't care what your gender is.
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Sounds like Iowa. There's only one case I know of where alimony was ordered in the past 20 years and that's because the offending husband was friends with the judge and his attorney whined that he needed alimony because it wasn't fair that his lifestyle be lowered. So she was forced to play alimony for something like five years... he committed adultery multiple times during the 30 plus years they were married.
 
Kathy in FL

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rob0126 said:
When .gov considers you and your family corporate entities, its all down hill from there.

Best to divorce from the system (if you can afford it) and be married under God like it has been for thousands of years.
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Not having a piece of paper that says you are married does not protect you from "common law" issues. Remember "palimony". If you live together and are acting as man and wife ... sex, shared expenses, jointly gifted items, etc. ... then the law can and does view you as partners and as a result there can be a ruckus.
 
West

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Well, in California the family court systems are geared to cater to the women. And the fathers are considered dead beats even if their current in child support. That's biblically wrong and psychologically a huge hit to any man's esteem. Plus it burdens their employers with extra cost.

Also as soon as the courts levied your income it crashes your credit score. Again so wrong it's disgusting.

Again full custody should only go to the parent who is totally independent and doesnt want child support.
 
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Kathy in FL said:
Depends on what state you are in. You can't really get alimony here in Florida except under certain extreme circumstances and even then the judge usually says that splitting all jointly held property is all you get. As for child support, it is spelled out here in Florida. The based amount and usually that's it. There can be mediation for more but that's no guarantee, especially if there is more than one child involved. And if the custodial parent prevents the non-custodial parent from exercising their parental rights the judges are just as likely to throw the book at the custodial parent ... perhaps more so from the cases I know of.

In general adult humans act like asses regardless of the circumstances so I have a tendency to ignore the feelz and look at the facts of a case. I don't care what your gender is.
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In my parents' case, this was in California and back in the Fifties, before no-fault divorce.
 
WildDaisy

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I didnt get a penny of child support. The involvement of my ex-husband in my son's life was more valuable. I had a child with special needs that needed a lot of Dr appointments and therapy visits. It was going to take both of us to raise him. My son was 3 when we divorced.

We had an amicable divorce, still are friends. We had joint custody, and while it was a hassle to exchange my son twice a week, it was beneficial for him to keep relationships with both sides of the family. We went to functions together for my son, and even had a monthly outing with both families (ex and his GF and me and my bf/new husband). I met my now-husband when my son was 7 and we didn't marry until my son was 18. He is 28 now.

I never told my son why his dad and I divorced. He cheated several times and is still with the last woman he was with. All those years my son blamed me for the marriage not working, thinking I just walked away because ex drank. It wasnt until my son was 18 and figured things out from a discussion with ex's new wife that he understood what had happened and my son came to me to apologize.

The only thing I made sure of was college tuition. Husband had to pay half and I made sure that he had a full-time set up at his home. I wasn't going to pack and unpack twice a week for visits. He had to have his own wardrobe at his dads. Which was funny, because in the first weeks following the divorce, I got many, many phone calls from him while he was out shopping "What size shoe is he"? What size shirt"? etc. He even had trouble figuring out bedding. The woman he married - and I quote - "didn't want to be a mother". To which, my husband responded to her "Well you should have thought about that before having an affair with a married man with kids. While he is at your house, you are "mom". She never did do "mom" things with him, in fact, my son and her rarely spoke more than they had to. Which is a shame. My husband has a wonderful relationship with him. My son was best-man at our wedding and told everyone that John didn't replace his dad, but he has another man in his life that loves him just the same. When son was 18, he choose to live full time at our home, went off to college and now works full time. He's saving hard to get a place of his own.
 
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Meadowlark

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I once heard of a college student who had to pay the last of his onerous student fees before graduation. He paid his last fees with a giant bag of pennies. The people behind the window were pissed.
 
onmyown30

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I was a single mom who got child support from my ex, I took less than the “charts” told me I was able to get.
My now disabled veteran husband is $80,000 I back child support for the last 12 yrs he has been disabled. He told his ex to get the girls on social security they would qualify. He could not afford the amount that he was supposed to do. Now yes my husband should have been on top of it and I asked many times and he thought she was getting social security since she never asked for money.

flash forward to February 2020, husband gets notice in the mail that ex is on welfare now and they are coming after him for the nearly $80,000 in back support. Finally gets his ex to file for the social security but child support has yet to adjust for that, 2 girls are now graduated and 18 but he will be paying her probably for life. And get this!!!! the back social security that she will be getting for waiting so long to file…. Will NOT count towards the back support he owes!! Sounds like she knew what she was doing! Thus doesn’t seem fair at all. Oh and also the girls haven’t even lived with it for the past 8 yrs she married a sex offender so the girls had to move ti their uncles. Yes, we have tried getting a lawyer but none will take the case mid pandemic. We haven’t even had a court date for all these “rulings” Now that the pandemic is winding down we will pursue this further
 
Kathy in FL

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Faroe said:
The government has no business in most of this.
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Yeah they do but not for the reason that most people think. See if people get tax breaks for being married then the .gov can stick their nose in. If you get some kind of assistance or tax break for having kids then the .gov can stick their nose in. If you get anything for being married or having kids then yeah, the .gov can stick their nose in. Unless or until The People stop taking money from the .gov ... including social security and/or survivor benefits ... then the .gov can and will stick their nose in.

But to be honest? Most people would rather have the money, even if it is at the risk of their privacy and freedom.
 
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A point everyone seems to have overlooked -- child support must be paid through the clerk of court or child support recovery in order to get credit for the payment. So while the pennies might have made dad feel vindicated, he will still owe the $800.
 
Sportsman

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anna43 said:
A point everyone seems to have overlooked -- child support must be paid through the clerk of court or child support recovery in order to get credit for the payment. So while the pennies might have made dad feel vindicated, he will still owe the $800.
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That depends upon the venue. Some don't.
 
Kathy in FL

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anna43 said:
A point everyone seems to have overlooked -- child support must be paid through the clerk of court or child support recovery in order to get credit for the payment. So while the pennies might have made dad feel vindicated, he will still owe the $800.
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Not necessarily. If the arrangement is made during mediation then it can be distributed however. Only if it is a court order support payment and some duress is involved, does it have to be made through the clerk. Now sometimes dads will do it that way to make sure they are covered and the woman can't lie. They sometimes also do it because there is a fee involved for the mother to receive the check.
 
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