ALERT Costs Are Going Up and UP and UP

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
We just got a propane delivery, $432 plus change to fill our twin 100 gallon tank setup. Propane was 3.049/gal this delivery. Sub zero and single digit lows with highs in the teens and low twenties are horrible on the stuff.

What sucks is that we make money off natural gas wells that tap from under our property, but nobody in the county has natural gas service. I'd love to use natural gas at producer prices.

ww,

Many of the natural gas companies will allow for the supply line to be tapped to supply NG to the land owner. The cost for the tapping and distribution would be your expense. If the odorant isn't added at the well head, then the odorant injection would also be your cost.

Many natural gas wells also have a system to remove what is called drip gas which can be used in a vehicle, but it runs hot.

Texican....
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
ww,

Many of the natural gas companies will allow for the supply line to be tapped to supply NG to the land owner. The cost for the tapping and distribution would be your expense. If the odorant isn't added at the well head, then the odorant injection would also be your cost.

Many natural gas wells also have a system to remove what is called drip gas which can be used in a vehicle, but it runs hot.

Texican....


Texican, can you fill me in on what you mean by "runs hot" in relation to a vehicle?

Would the vehicle need to be configured or adapted to use the Drip Gas?
 

Masterchief117

I'm all about the doom
Propane man just left. $2.19 per gallon here in southern Oklahoma. Up 0.29 since last month ($1.90/gallon).
100% gasoline was $2.53/gallon yesterday at the closest "big" town.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
It is really strange here.

We have two gas stations right next to each other.

Place A (Sams) has a gasoline price of $ 2.11 per gallon regular
Place B (Raceway) has a gasoline price of $ 2.38 per gallon regular.

It has been that way for the last 3+ weeks. Usually the prices are within 5-10 cents of each other. Variations only last for a few days.

Something is off....
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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I'd suggest that #'s 5 and 6 need to be switched.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Texican, can you fill me in on what you mean by "runs hot" in relation to a vehicle?

Would the vehicle need to be configured or adapted to use the Drip Gas?

Drip gas is a naturally occurring form of gasoline found at many natural gas wells. It can be used in vehicles, but doing so is illegal (no taxes paid and stolen from the oil companies) and has been reported to cause damage to engines. It has higher octane and is dry due to a lack of additives. Those that use drip gas generally mix with other gas and install additives.

Letter from Survival Blog.

Letter Re: Natural Gas “Drip” Condensate

James Wesley Rawles
February 18, 2012

Letter Re: Natural Gas "Drip" Condensate - SurvivalBlog.com
JWR,

I noticed your description of “drip” as an alternative fuel in your novel “Survivors”. Many years ago I was on a task force in Farmington, New Mexico to catch and convict “drip thieves”. I was then a Special Texas Ranger and worked along with New Mexico Highway Patrol, local law enforcement officials and the then Tenneco Oil Company Security investigators. Theft of drip was very big then, as probably now due to the high cost of gasoline. I will share with you some of what we learned from the experts, the actual thieves we caught.

First of all it is not called “drip oil”, but only “drip” in thieves term. It is actually what the oil industry calls “condensate” and as you correctly stated is a by product of natural gas production. It is the condensate liquid that forms from natural gas as it is produced from the wells. Some wells are “wetter” than others and produce more condensate. Those are the wells drip users look for. Wells produce through a well head valve system and flow through pipes to the collection system. Each well has a flow meter, usually a Barton type, that measures the volume of gas produced. Several wells may feed their condensate into what is usually a “210” barrel collection tank, also low points in the pipelines collect the condensate and are routed to the storage tanks. These tanks are the targets of drip users, which will fuel vehicles.

Drip users, which is illegal but common in areas where it exists, like the high gravity clean type, and different wells produce different types. One thief explained the tests he used to test drip, the spit test and the burn test. He would get drip from the valves on the lower part of the storage tanks, the 210 barrel type. He would first get a sample through the top of the tank by climbing the catwalk to the upper hatch, oddly enough called the “thief hatch”, he would lower a small can into the hatch and obtain a sample of the condensate, either a coffee can or similar. Once he had several inches of drip, he would first spit into the drip and see how fast it sank, the faster the better the drip. If it lingered on top or was slow to sink, it was not what he wanted. If it sank and passed that test, he would light the fluid and watch the flame, if it was blue, it was great, if it was yellow or orange and let off smoke, it was too high in sulfur and not too good. Once he identified a good well, he always remembered where it was located.

One thief drove a van and had 55 gallon drums in the back that he would fill. The 210 designation tanks were 20′ tall and gravity would usually fill the drums. He would also fill his own gas tank in the van. But, a good thief would always install a drain cock in his tank in case he got bad drip and had to dump it. Many thieves would use drip for mainly private consumption, however we caught some selling it to regular gas stations who would just mix it with their regular gas and sell it blended, no one knew.

Some thieves told us they needed to advance or retard their distributors a bit to get drip to run the best, but that was in a day before all this electronic fuel injection stuff.
I hope I did not go into too much detail, but now you have a basic idea of drip usage in vehicles and how it is stolen. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to ask.
Regards, – C.R., Retired in Colorado
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
I think the Dims (eta: and Repugs) would prefer open civil war.

They certainly seem to be sowing the field, if you know what I mean.
So, I expect they will do everything and anything in their power to assure that (TRUMP'24) won't happen.


As gasoline marches toward 5$ a gallon, No one will vote for a dem at any level of govt. including dog catcher
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We use 20 lbs propane tanks for backup heat. With the coming cold front expected in a day or two - and bringing sub-freezing temps for the better part of a week - I filled all of our empty tanks, even though we had several full spares. DW and I also spent a couple of days cutting and stacking extra (seasoned) firewood.

The beauty of having different heating methods - in addition to the prep angle - is that you can use your cheaper options with changing circumstances. We use electric, wood, propane and even lanterns and candles for emergencies.

Best
Doc
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Everyone loves higher taxes when it doesn’t affect them. When gasoline costs 5$. Everyone is affected

When minimum wage is 15$ an hr. No one will be below the poverty line, if you work 40 hrs. I can hear the howling now. Those that’ll still have a job.
The last time gas was near or at 5$ a gal, some jerk came in my yard and sucked gas out of my car. The car cannot have a locking cap on.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Went to the hardware store yesterday and just about fainted from the prices. They’re going up so fast. And the grocery store is worse. How do people do this? And why isn’t msm talking about it?
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Bayou Renaissance Man: It's not higher value - it's dollar devaluation

Thursday, February 11, 2021
It's not higher value - it's dollar devaluation


I've written many times before about inflation. It's a growing problem, and it's getting worse more rapidly than ever. I've been watching our local prices for a long time, and I'd say they've increased faster over the past three months than I've ever seen happen before.

The reason, in this case, is fairly obvious. It's not that products and services are worth more, and therefore getting more expensive - it's that the currency we use to buy them is worth less, because it's becoming depreciated. It's a simple equation. If you have 100 dollars in circulation, and an egg costs a dollar, that's what you pay. If you suddenly double the number of dollars in circulation, those extra dollars are chasing the same number of items for sale - so prices will rise, to accommodate the new "value" (or, rather, lowered value) of the currency. An egg will now cost $2. In a microcosm, that's what causes most inflation. Oh, sure, scarcities will also drive up prices, but that's a localized and temporary thing. We're talking about sustained increases across the board, everywhere.

This isn't an accident. It's actually deliberate Federal Reserve policy. As Wolf Richter points out:


The “Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar” – part of the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Consumer Price Index data released today – is the politically incorrect mirror image of inflation in consumer prices, as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI). By wanting to increase consumer price inflation, the Fed in effect wants to decrease the purchasing power of the consumer dollar, to where consumers have to pay more for the same thing. Thereby it wants to decrease the purchasing power of labor paid in those dollars.
And that purchasing power of the dollar in January dropped by 1.5% year-over-year to another record low.


There's more at the link.

The US government, over the past year, printed or electronically created over 40% of all the dollars that have ever existed. Click the image below (provided by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis) to be taken to a larger version at the Fed's Web site (which will update on a regular basis).



That's an enormous growth in the US money supply, and not one cent of it has been backed by economic growth or hard assets. It's all been conjured up out of thin air.

The only reason inflation hasn't jumped even further is that much of those funds haven't been widely circulated. They've been funneled to banks and institutions that have used them to shore up their own bottom line, and to taxpayers who've used them to substitute for the wages and salaries they would have earned but for the COVID-19-induced economic shutdown. However, more and more of those funds are now circulating.

That's not all. Senator Elizabeth Warren has introduced a bill to partially forgive study loans (at an estimated cost to the taxpayer of $650 billion). The Biden administration is talking about ongoing subsidies for poor families and children (estimated to cost well into the trillions every year, according to some estimates), and increased social and entitlement programs. Where will the money come from to pay for all these things? Why, from the same source as the 40% increase in money supply over the past year. The Fed will simply generate the money out of thin air.

Our political leaders are economic illiterates. They have no idea of the likely consequences of their policies. The cause of inflation is well known. It's been known for generations. We have the example of Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and many other nations to show us what happens when you print money without restriction. I fear greatly that it's coming our way as well.
Over the next few weeks I'll publish more articles about our likely inflation prospects. I hope they'll help all of us to take stock of our current situation and prepare as best we can. It's probably going to be a very, very hard ride.

Peter


Posted by Peter at 2/11/2021 03:28:00 AM
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
well. we all knew this was going to happen, we knew prices on everything would go up. to many things are going to increase that we need, but we knew it would happen,

were going to have to adjust how we live. to be able to get thru this. so,me a lot,others wont be affected as bad, I hope most of us are in the better group.
 

shane

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Bayou Renaissance Man: It's not higher value - it's dollar devaluation

We have the example of Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and many other nations to show us what happens when you print money without restriction. I fear greatly that it's coming our way as well.

Peter

Posted by Peter at 2/11/2021 03:28:00 AM
Curious factoid re Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe, yes, even Venezuela, too.

Besides having all destroyed their currency via rampant money creation and
inflation, they all three, in the year or two right before they imploded, had the
fastest growing & most profitable stock market in the entire world, bar none.

You'd have made more $ betting on their stock indexes than anywhere else!

Easy money has to go someplace and they'd all bid up all their stock markets,
same as we are doing here now, as smarter people than I have been saying.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
The Cultural Left does not like savers. Inflation guts out savers.

The Cultural Left likes crises. Because when a real crisis hits, the electorate will move Left.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Our per gallon price barely changed. We drove enough we finally had to fill up twice during one month. Haven't done that since before March of 2020.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
We are crashing globally. Accept it, and do what you can everyday to mitigate the effects on you and yours.

Be prepared to allow or turn away friends and family when things go really bad. Mindsets, skills, tools, supplies...they must bring something of value or they will just siphon resources.

Sorry, just the way I see things..big picture.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our monthly gasoline bill just doubled!

It was $17 for January. For February it was $34! Yikes!

:)
Yes, but did you go out twice as much since lockdowns are easing up? :D

Oops! Just saw that you actually had to fill up the tank. I should read the entire thread before posting next time. LOL
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
PRICES ARE NOT GOING UP.

You have it ass backwards if you think that.

The purchasing power of the FRAUD (Federal Reserve Accounting Unit "Dollar") is going DOWN. Rapidly.

IF you do not sort this fundamental truth of economics out in your own mind and act accordingly, you will be destitute sooner rather than later.
 
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