CORP/BIZ GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

NCGirl

Veteran Member
?? gamestock?

Yes. Was up shortly after open, dipped down and last few times I looked was holding in the $300-350 range.

I am sure that there are many very unhappy folks out there today. Hopefully some really nervous ones too. I just hope not to many profit takers. I sure hope if people are able to hold they will.
 

Farmgal

Senior Member
That post about Asian billionaire getting involved-don't know if true or not. But this is troubling........big foreign money getting mixed up with this........there may be much more involved then we realize than just a "little man" taking on the big-time hedge funds. Remember right before Trump left office......something about delisting CCP companies from stock exchange????

There may be something bigger going on behind the scenes and the little man is being manipulated and used as a pawn????? I don't know. We love David vs. Golitha (sp).....but I am not convinced that this is what I am seeing. Time may tell.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
That post about Asian billionaire getting involved-don't know if true or not. But this is troubling........big foreign money getting mixed up with this........there may be much more involved then we realize than just a "little man" taking on the big-time hedge funds. Remember right before Trump left office......something about delisting CCP companies from stock exchange????

There may be something bigger going on behind the scenes and the little man is being manipulated and used as a pawn????? I don't know. We love David vs. Golitha (sp).....but I am not convinced that this is what I am seeing. Time may tell.

Yes he posted his buy on Reddit.

There is always a ton of foreign money involved and there is always something going on behind the scenes that we don't know.

The hedge funds may have gotten a lot out yesterday afternoon. But maybe they didn't.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane

SEC Publishes Statement On Short Squeeze Insanity, "Will Protect Investors From Manipulative Trading"
Tyler Durden's Photo

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, JAN 29, 2021 - 9:29
It was only a matter of time before the SEC stepped in to "protect" investors from making money and ramming Wall Street's own strategies up its behind, and moments ago the world's most useless regulator published a statement in response to the short squeeze mania that has gripped markets.

The Commission said it will closely review actions taken by regulated entities that may disadvantage investors or otherwise unduly inhibit their ability to trade certain securities. Translation: any extreme shorts that hurt the hedge funds that are our close friends will likely soon be banned.

“We will act to protect retail investors when the facts demonstrate abusive or manipulative trading activity that is prohibited by the federal securities laws,” SEC Acting Chair Allison Herren Lee and Commissioners Hester M. Peirce, Elad L. Roisman and Caroline A. Crenshaw said in a statement on the commission’s website.

Market participants should be careful to avoid such activity and issuers must ensure compliance with the federal securities laws for any contemplated offers or sales of their own securities.

Here is the full statement, which is hilarious because after years of Wall Street selling worthless, massively overvalued IPOs to retail investors which always end up losing money when the bubble burst, is now so closely focused on the reverse situation, the one where Wall Street ends up being the patsy. Highlights ours.
Statement of Acting Chair Lee and Commissioners Peirce, Roisman, and Crenshaw Regarding Recent Market Volatility
Acting Chair Allison Herren Lee

Commissioner Hester M. Peirce
Commissioner Elad L. Roisman
Commissioner Caroline A. Crenshaw
Jan. 29, 2021
The Commission is closely monitoring and evaluating the extreme price volatility of certain stocks’ trading prices over the past several days. Our core market infrastructure has proven resilient under the weight of this week’s extraordinary trading volumes. Nevertheless, extreme stock price volatility has the potential to expose investors to rapid and severe losses and undermine market confidence.
As always, the Commission will work to protect investors, to maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and to facilitate capital formation. The Commission is working closely with our regulatory partners, both across the government and at FINRA and other self-regulatory organizations, including the stock exchanges, to ensure that regulated entities uphold their obligations to protect investors and to identify and pursue potential wrongdoing. The Commission will closely review actions taken by regulated entities that may disadvantage investors or otherwise unduly inhibit their ability to trade certain securities.
In addition, we will act to protect retail investors when the facts demonstrate abusive or manipulative trading activity that is prohibited by the federal securities laws. Market participants should be careful to avoid such activity. Likewise, issuers must ensure compliance with the federal securities laws for any contemplated offers or sales of their own securities.
The Commission will continue our work on behalf of investors and the markets. In this regard, we hope to facilitate a robust public dialogue among market participants and investors on the structure and operation of our securities markets. Members of the public can submit tips or complaints through the Commission’s website using this online form. Members of the public with questions should contact the Commission’s Office of Investor Education and Advocacy at 1-800-732-0330, ask a question using this online form, or email us at Help@SEC.gov.
 
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Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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NCGirl

Veteran Member
Reddit Forum Down for me.

Anyone else?
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Nevermind back up now.

1.1million on the site now, maybe that had something to do with it
:p
 

abby normal

insert appropriate adjective here
Reddit Forum Down for me.

Anyone else?
~~~~~
Nevermind back up now.

1.1million on the site now, maybe that had something to do with it
:p
I wish I could sit and watch how this unfolds today but unfortunately I have errands to run in a bit. My timing sucks!
 

Paladin1

"In Omnia Paratus" is more than just a phrase
That post about Asian billionaire getting involved-don't know if true or not. But this is troubling........big foreign money getting mixed up with this........there may be much more involved then we realize than just a "little man" taking on the big-time hedge funds. Remember right before Trump left office......something about delisting CCP companies from stock exchange????

There may be something bigger going on behind the scenes and the little man is being manipulated and used as a pawn????? I don't know. We love David vs. Golitha (sp).....but I am not convinced that this is what I am seeing. Time may tell.
I wasn't specifically thinking of that aspect, but I still am not convinced that this is an actual natural groundswell and this piece fits. I'll keep watching to see how it plays out, but this seems to confirm my thoughts that something big, globally, is going on behind the scenes here and the redditors are just the public face of it. I'll be very surprised if the CCP doesn't have it's tentacles DEEP into this mess and is using the opportunity to damage our economy.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Here is the MSM narrative taking shape.

Fair Use Cited
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Will the SEC sue GameStop traders? The case could pose a 'super weird' challenge
Alexis Keenan
·Reporter
Thu, January 28, 2021, 12:38 PM·5 min read

Traders who gobbled up GameStop (GME) stock in the Reddit-user-fueled push to squeeze short sellers could end up on the defending side of enforcement action if officials can find out who they are and show they tried to manipulate or deceive the markets.

Indeed, Fox Business Network’s Charlie Gasparino tweeted on Thursday that regulatory sources were telling him they would be looking at a market manipulation case related to GameStop trading.

However, a successful case against those who caused the spikes is no slam dunk. That’s partly because it could be hard for regulators to show that traders intentionally deceived market participants into thinking that GameStop’s fundamentals were healthier than they actually were.

“GameStop is super weird, because at least at this point it’s all over the news. People kind of know that this strange and artificial thing is happening — that the company's price is much higher than its fundamentals,” University of Michigan School of Law assistant professor, Gabriel Rauterberg, told Yahoo Finance, noting that it could be tough for regulators to show the traders, whose efforts appear to have been out in the open, sent false price signals. Regulators may have more success targeting the buying behavior that took place at the very beginning of the effort, he said.

A Fedex deliveryman prepares a package for a GameStop store amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic in the Manhattan borough of New York City, New York, U.S., January 27, 2021. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri

A Fedex deliveryman prepares a package for a GameStop store amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic in the Manhattan borough of New York City, New York, U.S., January 27, 2021. REUTERS/Carlo AllegriMore

Those traders pushed GameStop’s stock price from $96.73 a share at the market open on Monday to $347.51 at the market close on Wednesday, prompting the New York Stock Exchange to halt trading multiple times. On Thursday, the popular trading platform Robinhood halted buying of the stock, along with other hot stocks including AMC (AMC), BlackBerry (BB), Bed Bath and Beyond (BBBY). GameStop stock was down 27% just after 1:30 p.m. EST on Thursday.

These stocks, which short sellers have bet against, have shot up wildly in recent days as day traders, particularly those on the Reddit group WallStreetBets, have dove headlong into the stocks. That buying frenzy, in turn, has spurred short sellers to buy the stock to cover their losses — driving up prices even more. Can the traders behind this short squeeze be accused of market manipulation?

“What matters the most, legally, is what can be proven about the intent of the trader when he or she placed the order,” futures and securities litigation attorney Andrew Lourie, who specializes in disputes alleging market manipulation, told Yahoo Finance.

‘Always potential’ for legal action

Traders who knowingly worked in concert to purchase the stock for reasons aside from its market fundamentals could face legal action from regulators, according to Lourie. That action would most likely be a civil suit from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), due to a vaguely worded statute that gives it wide latitude to file litigation over market scenarios they view as undesirable.

“When it comes to manipulation there's always potential [for legal action] merely because there's no clear statutory definition for manipulation, especially with futures,” Lourie said. “The definition is largely case-law created, and can evolve in response to new interpretations regulators ask the court to adopt, via an enforcement action.”

The Securities Exchange Act prohibits very specific kinds of conduct, and otherwise relies on general fraud provisions, which prohibit using a “fraudulent, deceptive or manipulative device,” Lourie noted.

Manipulation law is ‘always a mess’

Rauterberg, of the University of Michigan Law School, said he wouldn’t be surprised if the SEC sued GameStop traders, based on the agency’s affinity for high-profile cases and aggressive pursuit of market manipulation. But it could be tough to prove the case.

For one, GameStop’s stock volatility, in his view, doesn’t appear to involve securities fraud, which means regulators would rely on case law that poorly defines market manipulation and deception.

“The really striking thing about manipulation law is that 85 years after the securities laws were adopted, the federal courts still disagree about what it means. So manipulation law is always a mess,” Rauterberg said.

Under the law, one way regulators can attack what they deem to be a “manipulative device” is by proving a group of people agreed to take collective action to buy, sell, or otherwise contract for a stock based on motivation unrelated to a company’s fundamentals — in essence, buying or selling collectively in order to move price, rather than based solely on perceived market value, or speculation as to future value.

That claim could unravel, though, because GameStop traders’ appear to have acted openly, Rauterberg said.

SEC reviewing GameStop activities, working with fellow regulators

Investors pressed to cover short positions have argued that Reddit group participants artificially drove up the price of GameStop’s stock. Reddit participants, on the other hand, have argued that their tactics were fair game, and merely took advantage of greedy Wall Street players who first exploited the system by over-shorting the stock to artificially drive down the company’s stock price.

SEC officials, for their part, issued a joint statement Wednesday noting that they were “monitoring the ongoing market volatility,” though they did not mention GameStop by name.

In addition to making their legal arguments, regulators would first need to identify the relevant purchasers and connect them to the trades — which could be challenging. The hurdles shouldn’t be expected to stop the SEC from trying, the legal experts said.

“Once you get into these unusual price spikes, like you have with GameStop,” Lourie said, “you're going to draw the attention of the regulators.”

Will the SEC sue GameStop traders? The case could pose a 'super weird' challenge (yahoo.com)
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
so.. wil the collapse of wall street be attributed to byedin

or to bye don?

surely it al must be trumps fault?

Oh, they'll try frantically to blame it on Trump, who was hundreds of miles away at the time, but everyone knows it's Xao Bai Den and his cronies what wrecked up the joint.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Yes he posted his buy on Reddit.

There is always a ton of foreign money involved and there is always something going on behind the scenes that we don't know.

The hedge funds may have gotten a lot out yesterday afternoon. But maybe they didn't.
I am sure they did, but remember they shorted more than all of the stock that existed by 40%.

That means someone is going to get it in the shorts by the shorts....lol
 

bloodztone

Contributing Member
Why is the SEC halting trading and covering for the worthless hedge fund managers who shorted the stock over 120% due to GREED? They should lose their shirts over this but unfortunately since the GAME is rigged they will not allow it. If Joe Public was losing like this would they stop trading? Of course not, those rules are only for the uber rich.
 

abby normal

insert appropriate adjective here
I wasn't specifically thinking of that aspect, but I still am not convinced that this is an actual natural groundswell and this piece fits. I'll keep watching to see how it plays out, but this seems to confirm my thoughts that something big, globally, is going on behind the scenes here and the redditors are just the public face of it. I'll be very surprised if the CCP doesn't have it's tentacles DEEP into this mess and is using the opportunity to damage our economy.
It's possible but everything is tied together. If we go everything goes. The fuse is lit!

Very hard to know what is authentic and what is scripted. But the ending is the same either way.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Folks, PLEASE. This is SPECULATION, not investing.
Depends on what it is. AG is an investment quality small miner.
It has a value, tied to Silver, which, IMHO, is severely undervalued.

Take your chances, make your bets.......

Southside
 

abby normal

insert appropriate adjective here
If you are back after lunch that's when it might get interesting!
I thought I read 3pm is when time runs out... but I could be mistaken, it's been hard keeping up with everything.

At least timebomb will fill me in after the dust settles... if they don't shut the internet down :eek:
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
I'll be very surprised if the CCP doesn't have it's tentacles DEEP into this mess and is using the opportunity to damage our economy.

Damage our economy?

Isn’t that akin to standing at the abyss and gazing at a the wreckage of a 600-ton steam locomotive below, steam hissing from every joint and fitting, wheels spinning slowly and saying, “Be careful. You don’t want to damage the train!”
 

Paladin1

"In Omnia Paratus" is more than just a phrase
Damage our economy?

Isn’t that akin to standing at the abyss and gazing at a the wreckage of a 600-ton steam locomotive below, steam hissing from every joint and fitting, wheels spinning slowly and saying, “Be careful. You don’t want to damage the train!”
You seem to think that the damage is done and can't get any worse.

I'm not of that opinion. I see that we're badly damaged, but I still see that the fundamentals which would be required to rebuild later are still there.

What I think the CCP is doing is destroying the foundation so that NO amount of effort could ever rebuild our economy. The China virus was just the first salvo and took our sails so we're dead in the water now, this salvo will start holing the ship below the waterline.
 

parocan

Veteran Member
There are people from all over the world getting in of this. who wouldn't want to be
a part of bringing down the wall street system. we did our part here in Canada, we got some shares
we have no problem losing some money if it helps expose and bring down their system.
 

Greenspode

Veteran Member
I wasn't specifically thinking of that aspect, but I still am not convinced that this is an actual natural groundswell and this piece fits. I'll keep watching to see how it plays out, but this seems to confirm my thoughts that something big, globally, is going on behind the scenes here and the redditors are just the public face of it. I'll be very surprised if the CCP doesn't have it's tentacles DEEP into this mess and is using the opportunity to damage our economy.

Hmmmm....interesting perspective. Almost like there might be some kind of a plan.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Why is the SEC halting trading and covering for the worthless hedge fund managers who shorted the stock over 120% due to GREED? They should lose their shirts over this but unfortunately since the GAME is rigged they will not allow it. If Joe Public was losing like this would they stop trading? Of course not, those rules are only for the uber rich.
Investors pressed to cover short positions have argued that Reddit group participants artificially drove up the price of GameStop’s stock. Reddit participants, on the other hand, have argued that their tactics were fair game, and merely took advantage of greedy Wall Street players who first exploited the system by over-shorting the stock to artificially drive down the company’s stock price.
Should the SEC rule against the Reddit investors, that would only confirm the premise that the system is rigged against the people in the first place. After all, who manipulated first?

Reddit was only responding to the hedge fund deliberately undervalueing the stock in the first place.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
You seem to think that the damage is done and can't get any worse.

I'm not of that opinion. I see that we're badly damaged, but I still see that the fundamentals which would be required to rebuild later are still there.

What I think the CCP is doing is destroying the foundation so that NO amount of effort could ever rebuild our economy. The China virus was just the first salvo and took our sails so we're dead in the water now, this salvo will start holing the ship below the waterline.

I respectfully disagree.

Basic math and raw history show that this amount of debt (about $30 trillion) is catastrophic.

It’s hard to see a path out of this, absent severe inflation.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
There's a Portfolio Manager at Citidel by the name of Jeffrey Psaki that people are claiming is the brother of Xiden's Press Secretary Jen Psaki.

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
I think 1929 (and I believe a similar crash in the 1880s) has shown it is totally possible for many stocks and investments to go to ZERO.

Add to that banks who can now legally grab depositors funds (buy-ins) if they are collapsing) and you could once again have a lot of people who had no idea they had any connection to the stock market looking at living in the cars. Only this time there is no "California" to try to get to on that last tank of gas.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I thought I read 3pm is when time runs out... but I could be mistaken, it's been hard keeping up with everything.

At least timebomb will fill me in after the dust settles... if they don't shut the internet down :eek:
Should be around 2 or a little before.

I didn't put in more than I can afford to lose. In fact I kinda planned in it. But worth it.
 

Farmgal

Senior Member
I wasn't specifically thinking of that aspect, but I still am not convinced that this is an actual natural groundswell and this piece fits. I'll keep watching to see how it plays out, but this seems to confirm my thoughts that something big, globally, is going on behind the scenes here and the redditors are just the public face of it. I'll be very surprised if the CCP doesn't have it's tentacles DEEP into this mess and is using the opportunity to damage our economy.

Yes much truth to what you said. We're not sure what is behind this yet......but I did some digging and it looks like RobinHood is using the "payment for order flow" to make their millions/billions on the backs of retail investors. This legal "scheme" was used and perfected by Bernie Madoff. Can you believe this???? Here's one article that explains how it works. The retail investor will ultimately be slaughtered while the hedgefund will laughing all the way to the bank.

 
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