HEALTH A gall bladder question>>>

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
For several years my gall bladder has been in bad shape. It is swollen>>>you can feel it under the skin>>>and is somewhat painful at times. Previously I have dealt with this by drinking "vinegar tea." In actuality, I have controlled it for about 23 years when I first began to have issues with it.

My question is this: For about the past 6 years I have felt really icky>>>tired all the time and increased issues with severe arthritis. Can a messed up gall bladder cause inflammation through out your body? Could this be part of why I am always so tired??
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Absolutely! Have you had this checked out?! Good grief, lady... there is stoicism and not wanting to fuss about minor things, but this isn't something to ignore.

It sounds like you have an inflamed, and *possibly* infected gallbladder. It would be well worth it to talk to a doc, get an ultrasound and figure out what is going on.

Summerthyme
 

dioptase

Veteran Member
A bad gall bladder can KILL YOU. (Not exaggerating - I was told this by a GI doc.) This is nothing to mess around with!

I had mine out, then some years later DH had his out. He very fortunately had his surgery scheduled the same day he had a major attack. The surgeon said that if he weren't already scheduled for surgery (we hustled him in earlier), things could have gone very bad.

More recently, my sister had hers out. Hers had gotten to the point where it was inflamed and infected - the doc put her on meds for a week, hoping things would improve before the surgery, so it could be done more safely. In the end it all worked out okay for her.

Don't mess around. See a doctor. PLEASE.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
LOL!!

Yes. I know. I am finally going to see my doc today. She will likely yell at me.

I have an unbelievably high pain tolerance.....have one disc in my back that has literally exploded and four more pressing on the root nerve.

They don't understand how I have continued to walk.....but getting older has somehow made everything more painful and harder to bear.
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
Please have it looked at. I had issues with mine, and I was terrified of surgery. I almost died because of my stupidly, and my recovery time was longer because I waited so long.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Are you assuming gall bladder? Feeling it as a mass just under the skin is not typical. I spent an entire semester totally dissecting the human body in my training. The gall bladder is really deep, well beneath the liver. No way it could swell enough to present a palpable mass just beneath the skin. It is actually closer to the back than the front. That is why gall bladder pain is often felt in the right shoulder blade area. You could be palpating something entirely different, cyst/abscess, mass on liver, diverticulitis. If you are making an assumption re. gall bladder, you may be dangerously wrong. Get that checked before it becomes way more than a bad gallbladder.
 
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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Owner must be a very durable human! He's had a heart attack that killed a man older than him, he's had Mono/Hepititus, he's had a gall bladder removed.

Owner says he first noticed issues that year around Christmas Time. Christmas cookies of certain fatty kinds caused him "difficulties" of the gastric kind, problems he had never had before. He relates doing a Christmas Luminary function with his son the Scout (Scouts did that then - celebrate Christmas) and feeling like he wanted to lay down and "stretch out" and let things "settle" - with his arms over his head. The issue passed - Owner put it up to "getting older."

In the middle of January of that year, he was at work (office) and he stood up - and discovered abdominal pain for him of a "new" kind. He found it uncomfortable to stand up straight. Pressing and prodding, he found a "spot" which seemed to increase the discomfort.

Calling his doctor, and describing the symptoms without too much alarm, he asked for an appointment later that day - "On the way home from work" he says. Doctor says "we want you to come in NOW!"

He drove there without issue, laid on the table and his doctor repeated the same findings Owner had described.

"You're going into the hospital NOW" the doctor says. "Do you want us to call an ambulance?"

"No, I can drive myself."

Once in, testing confirmed an issue with Owner's gall bladder. As Owner was not in apparent pain, his surgery got "bumped" by an appendicitis case, and next day something else, and later that second day something else again.

"We're sorry you're being delayed, we have other emergency surgeries to deal with - and you seem like your surgery can be put off."

Meanwhile, Owner is getting tired - and hungry - because they won't let him eat due to the pending surgery. Owner says the longest three days he has lived!

Finally on the third day, the surgery is done. Owner walked out two days later. Owner recovered well, and a week later he hears from the surgeon on the follow up: "I want you to know you were a 'hot' one. I almost went in the old fashioned way rather than using the rotor-rooter (orthoscopic surgery) as your innards were fully inflamed which obscured my sight using the machine. We kept you for two days just to see that your blood chemistry straightened out - and that I reconnected the piping correctly. What should have been a one hour surgery ended up being FOUR HOURS. Let me know going forward if you have any problems with digestion or soreness in your abdomen."

"You weren't doubled over in severe pain?" the surgeon queried?

"No, not really."

Owner put it up to "no brain no pain."

He's being funny. He's really VERY smart...

Dobbin
 
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soccerdad3

Contributing Member
The thing I have always heard from anyone with a gall bladder issue is the comment "I wish I had taken care of it sooner". When I figured out mine was causing me problems 5 years ago, I had it taken out so I wouldn't have to say that. It seemed like an easy operation that was done as an out-patient surgery. I had to take it easy for a week or so, but I don't regret having it taken out at all.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Went to the Dr for the very same reason yesterday. Calling this morning for the ultrasound appointment. In the meantime, he called me in an RX for an acid blocker.

I also have a very high pain tolerance, so the pain from this when I have an attack is about an 8 on my scale, but probably a 15 on anyone else.

We just want to make sure it's the gall bladder or an issue with my system being too acid.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Had mine taken out almost 10 years ago.

I was suffering with it for years...didn’t know that’s what it was. Then they developed a test...(I think a nuclear medicine test maybe?) and said, your gallbladder is shot..that’s where the pain is coming from...

Good times! Not really...
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Went to the Dr for the very same reason yesterday. Calling this morning for the ultrasound appointment. In the meantime, he called me in an RX for an acid blocker.

I also have a very high pain tolerance, so the pain from this when I have an attack is about an 8 on my scale, but probably a 15 on anyone else.

We just want to make sure it's the gall bladder or an issue with my system being too acid.

The used to do sonograms, CTs, etc. maybe they still do. But the test they did on me was called a HIDA scan. I think it checks gallbladder function...

My MIL is an RN and told me to ask them to do one on me...they did and found it right away...after years of not knowing what was going on!
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
and a longstanding gall bladder problem can evolve those other problems I listed above. Systemic inflammations and feeling like crap can signal an ongoing infection, especially if it has started to leak into your gut. It can also back up bile into your pancreas to cause secondary diabetes (via common bile duct shared by gall bladder and pancreas). Bile is used to digest fats & proteins in the digestive system. That same bile leaked into gut wil “digest” intestines and various other structures, leading to”rot” such as peritonitis. Time to work on this
 

Tortie

Veteran Member
For several years my gall bladder has been in bad shape. It is swollen>>>you can feel it under the skin>>>and is somewhat painful at times. Previously I have dealt with this by drinking "vinegar tea." In actuality, I have controlled it for about 23 years when I first began to have issues with it.

My question is this: For about the past 6 years I have felt really icky>>>tired all the time and increased issues with severe arthritis. Can a messed up gall bladder cause inflammation through out your body? Could this be part of why I am always so tired??
I did the same for about 15 years, but I babied my gall bladder. Ate beets and lemon juice and took extra bile salt so it was not strained. Then one day I got up to walk to another desk and to deliver something and all ta once i had to sit down. Dizzy, light headed and a little confused. I back and sat at my desk for about 20 minutes trying to decide what the heck was going on. Everyone who saw me said I was white as a ghost. I told me boss I was going home but went to my car and slept an hour and then drove home. I did not go back to work for a whole month after that, My gall bladder was inflamed and the tubes closed up. I could not eat solid food for a month or I would projectile vomit. But I finally had my gall bladder out and everything was fine

I am one of the persons who think holding on to organs and trying to rehab them is better. But obviously I got to a point where that was no longer possible. I am the type of person who has to get to that point to seek organ removal,

However, before my gall bladder just shut down, I did not notice any tiredness or lack of energy. Baby your gall bladder a bit and look at other possibilities too.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Had mine out. In at 10:00, home at 2:00. Hardest part was ride home.

Old fashioned method; five days in the hospital. It's behind your liver and they have to move the liver to get at it.

Don't get pious. Have it taken out.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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There are folks out there who simply hate doctors and getting healthcare. We’ve had more than one member nearly die because of it. (Afterward they admitted how stupid they were for not being seen.) Well, you pays yer money and makes yer choice.

One gets the result they deserve if they don’t see a doctor.
 

Cabinfvr

Contributing Member
The doctor told my wife if she had waited another hour she would have died. The gall bladder was deeply attached to her liver making the surgery very difficult. She experienced extreme weight loss prior to the surgery and developed diabetes. I don't know if the diabetes was related to the gall blader.
Go to the doctor. !
 

annieosage

Inactive
Please let us know what your dr. says. This is nothing to fool around with and there are other organs around your gall bladder that could be an issue. I don't like the sound of this.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
My wife started having issues with gallbladder attacks. Eat to much, pay for it in a few hours. I found Gallstonex on Amazon. It had really good reviews. I don’t like Amazon but ordered her 5 bottles in a hurry. It works great for her plus small meals. No more issues so far except when she gets complacent and don’t take it. It’s all natural herbs.
It might help. Not a cure but maybe some relief.
 
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JF&P

Deceased
Its arthroscopic surgery these days so its really not traumatic....I was up walking around within hours of having my gall bladder removed. See Your Doctor NOW!!!
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
I know someone who uses curamin(anti inflammatory) when they get gallbladder attacks.
Says its the only thing that stops it for them.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
Yep>>>the doctor has already told me before that it was my gall bladder>>>I was trying to treat it by changing eating habits and using Vinegar tea.

I even went to a surgeon about 2 years ago. He was NUTS!! He had NO labs on me. I went because my doc got very upset that I was vomiting a lot and my poop was black. I no longer go to that doc because she didn't listen to me when I came back after a 15 minute visit with the surgeon, which was a CONSULT.

He charged my $5,000 dollars for the 15 minute visit!!!

He tried to tell me I colon cancer>>>>nothing to back that up at all. There was a young intern shadowing him that day and she was standing behind him. He went over my symptoms>>>>vomiting repeatedly after the other doc gave me AUGMENTIN>>>>LABELED as AMPICILLIN!! I am DEATHLY allergic to augmentin! I vomited repeatedly and was about to go to the ER, when I decided to try Pepto Bismol>>>>I drank half of the bottle before I was able to stop puking.

The next two days I had black stools>>>>OF COURSE!! That is very common with taking Pepto>>>and taking that much OF COURSE it was black!!

Both my PCP and the surgeon would not believe this was all a result of a bad prescription and then Pepto.

I refused to believe the surgeon and DARED to talk back to him!!

He was an Arab and got very angry with me when I told him he was wrong and that Pepto causes black stools. He yelled at me that I had colon cancer>>>The young intern behind him looked VERY upset and startled and shook her head at me violently when he insisted I had colon cancer!! She had also nodded when I told him that Pepto caused black stools. She turned white and the red when he started telling me I had cancer and when I talked back to him she smiled!!

Went back to my PCP and told her this and apparently she thought I was not telling the truth, or was just ignoring me>>>that is why I didn't have it done sooner.

TODAY>>>my current PCP was not there today>>>saw her float. She confirmed that my gall bladder was swelled to the point of pushing forward to the front and that it was close to becoming necrotic. Tried to get ultra sound scheduled today>>>no way. Blood tests done>>looks like a pretty rotten. She told me IF ANY problem over the weekend go to the ER immediately!

So, I will be going to the BIG hospital in Cape Girardeau if any issues>>>>St. Francis. Will be scheduled for surgery ASAP.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
My story about gallbladder attacks...

First time I had one I thought I'd die. We were going someplace and I doubled over driving the car. Wife had to drive back home. Turned out to be a gallbladder attack. Doc told me I'd need to have it taken out. He said it was sludge and it would happen again. He gave me emergency pain killers in case it did. It did happen again. 3x in fact...spaced out more than a year apart. Debilitating. I was driving out to Utah to get my kid from college...LUCKILY my oldest was driving with me and took over. I took a pain killer and laid down in the back and after 3.5 hours it passed. I had had enough and looked at a liver flush more closely than before.

Finally, I got up the courage to try the Hulda Clark liver flush. To me, it sounded like "snake oil". It's rough. However, I never had another gallbladder attack after that. It's been more than 8 years now. I have done a liver flush every few years, too. I hate doing it. BUT do it for "maintenance". My gallbladder is in good shape the last time I went to the doc. My doctor still doesn't quite believe it. I'll ask him every so often and he'll just shake his head. I need to another flush...but man I hate them. Results don't lie. I've not had an attack...and before my gallbladder was "sludge" and it's not later? YMMV
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Wife had hers out probably ten, twelve years ago. It was causing her a lot of issues that subsided after removal.

So based on that and the host of replies, I’d get some good, trusted medical advice and if they say so, be done with it!

Jeff B.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
I have had SO many HORRIBLE experiences with doctors, I really don't trust them AT ALL.

When I was thirty, I had blood and urine tests done at a doctor's. He called me two days later and sounded very drunk or stoned or something! He told me I had early kidney failure.

I asked what that meant. He said in a very sarcastic voice "What do you THINK it means."

Well, having fairly good medical background even then, I asked if it meant dialysis. He said "Yep!" and hung up on me!!!

I went home and thought about it for a couple of hours then I went to the ER in a nearby town. They repeated the tests he had done, there was NOTHING WRONG WITH ME!!!! I had had a bladder infection and even it was gone!!

When I was 28 I went to a ob-gyn. He told me I needed an IMMEDIATE total hysterectomy. Went and got a second opinion. Nope, but he said I had endomentriosis>>>>>which you CANNOT tell without an ultra sound or other imaging!! Went to a THIRD doctor and he told me there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with me!!! And HE was the CHIEF OF STAFF at the WOMEN's HOSPITAL in Baton Rouge when I lived in Baker many years ago!

When I was about 37, a doctor told me I had rheumatoid arthritis after numerous tests and other money eating things. Went to a teaching hospital for a second opinion>>>>>>NOTHING WRONG!!! Not even an indication of arthritis.

When I was 43, I went to a doctor because I was depressed>>>>he did a thyroid test>>>several of them, and then many other tests which cost lots of money...psychological tests. I asked to see my thyroid test>>>>he refused to let me see it! I told him it was MY test and the LAW said he HAD to let me see the results. He still refused. I refused to pay his bill for all the testing he had done. (Thyroid dysfunction causes depression if it is hypothyroid!) Later, from the testing unit he had sent it to, I found out that the test had shown I was VERY hypothyroid!

When I was in my early 50's I broke my wrist. NO ONE in this Podunk town would see me even to X-ray the wrist until I ponied up $28,000 dollars to begin to cover the surgery they all wanted to do!! I went to Dr. Foy Preist. He died a number of years ago. He was a doctor back when they had horse and buggies and and docs made house visits. He was 101 years old when I saw him. He was also a full blooded Cherokee. When I walked in his office>>>>which was a back room off his son's muffler shop!!>>>>he said, "OH MY, you have TERRIBLE thyroid issues>>>>before I EVEN sat down!! He looked at my wrist, no X-rays and touched it VERY gently and said "yes it is broken, but it does not need surgery, it just needs to be casted and it will be fine. I went to a St. Francis Hospital in Cape and they X-rayed, casted it and did follow up>>>>the whole thing cost $900 dollars!!

Yes>> I DO avoid doctors!! With GOOD REASON!!

My VET is a MUCH better doctor that the majority of doctors I have encountered!! Unfortunately he won't treat me!! He can figure out what is wrong with my animals and they can't even talk to him to tell him where it hurts!!
 

TKO

Veteran Member
I have had SO many HORRIBLE experiences with doctors, I really don't trust them AT ALL.
Doctors essentially work for insurance companies. They do whatever the insurance company says. What is trustworthy about that? I talk to young doctors every so often. They aren't interested in how the docs used to be. They are fat dumb and happy just to work 8-10 hours and be home with the family...just as long as they can make their school loan payments and get a nice house.
 

Homestyle

Veteran Member
I had my taken out. The my regular old Dr told me to take a Beano pill before eating. It helped a lot to stop the bloating and upsetness. I don't take one at every meal just with the foods I have learned that need it.
 

1-12020

Senior Member
For several years my gall bladder has been in bad shape. It is swollen>>>you can feel it under the skin>>>and is somewhat painful at times. Previously I have dealt with this by drinking "vinegar tea." In actuality, I have controlled it for about 23 years when I first began to have issues with it.

My question is this: For about the past 6 years I have felt really icky>>>tired all the time and increased issues with severe arthritis. Can a messed up gall bladder cause inflammation through out your body? Could this be part of why I am always so tired??
My father has issues with his. He drinks one just one shot of tequila or a margarita a night. Not to get drunk . For some reason it stops the issue.
 
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utsteve

Member
I'll second the Hulda Clark Liver flush. Could not believe the number of stones that came out. I do annual for maintenance.

When I was young, my first wife came to pick me up from my doctor, she walked in the office, he looked up and blurted out, "You are just barely pregnant" He was right and knew it before either her or I did.
 

ginnie6

Veteran Member
Years ago my fil had his gallbladder out when it was highly inflamed. Fast forward 10 years he got really sick. Burning up with a fever, pain, and so cold he was shaking like he was having a seizure. Turned out that when his gallbladder was removed they missed part of it in the “pea soup” that filled that area from it being so inflamed. He almost died from that. Please go get it checked.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I had two attacks that attracted my attention, both after eating vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup after a heavy meal. It was a Bridge lady of my DW that diagnosed the syndrome telling me had a big problem, better see the doc posthaste. And sure enough filled with stones.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Doctors essentially work for insurance companies. They do whatever the insurance company says. What is trustworthy about that? I talk to young doctors every so often. They aren't interested in how the docs used to be. They are fat dumb and happy just to work 8-10 hours and be home with the family...just as long as they can make their school loan payments and get a nice house.
THIS is exactly what is happening. The only remaining quality MD care seem to come from small private concierge (cash only) clinics. And one very often ends up paying less out of pocket than if they used their insurance (which dictates how much the patient has to pay for copay, deductible, and undergo aggressive rationing of care through prior authorization rules) as a condition of using their insurance.
 

foreverkeeps

Veteran Member
For several years my gall bladder has been in bad shape. It is swollen>>>you can feel it under the skin>>>and is somewhat painful at times. Previously I have dealt with this by drinking "vinegar tea." In actuality, I have controlled it for about 23 years when I first began to have issues with it.

My question is this: For about the past 6 years I have felt really icky>>>tired all the time and increased issues with severe arthritis. Can a messed up gall bladder cause inflammation through out your body? Could this be part of why I am always so tired??

yes yes and yes! Mine put me flat on my back for a week 3 different years. Very yucky. They kept telling me it was fine because tests didn't show gallstones. After missing another week of work, I went to a different ER and refused to leave w/o more tests, and they finally found tiny stones somewhere. By the time they took t out (with the Davinci robot through my belly button) it was flattened, rotten, gross.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
For several years my gall bladder has been in bad shape. It is swollen>>>you can feel it under the skin>>>and is somewhat painful at times. Previously I have dealt with this by drinking "vinegar tea." In actuality, I have controlled it for about 23 years when I first began to have issues with it.

My question is this: For about the past 6 years I have felt really icky>>>tired all the time and increased issues with severe arthritis. Can a messed up gall bladder cause inflammation through out your body? Could this be part of why I am always so tired??
Take 2 to 3 table spoons of Epsom salt dissolved in warm water on an empty stomach 5 minutes before you go to bed. It will relax the bile ducts to allow stones to pass. Also look into a liver flush also called a gall bladder flush. I've done it and cleared a hand full of stones. My health improved. If you get a burning in the gut maybe 20 minutes after you eat, that could be pancreatic fluids which are backed up due to stones blocking the bile duct. I had that problem. Couldn't eat pizza, hotdogs with catsup, etc without the burning like heart burn. I took the epsom salt and the next day it all stopped.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
I'll second the Hulda Clark Liver flush. Could not believe the number of stones that came out. I do annual for maintenance.

When I was young, my first wife came to pick me up from my doctor, she walked in the office, he looked up and blurted out, "You are just barely pregnant" He was right and knew it before either her or I did.
I decided to do another flush today. I haven't done one in a while...but this thread got me thinking it might be time to do some maintenance. I essentially follow this... Dr. Hulda Clark Liver cleanse & gallbladder cleanse & gallstones flush recipe
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Just be aware, guys, that if you have had symptoms for awhile (longer than a few days or weeks) flushing gallstones may not be sufficient. Once the gallbladder itself is inflamed, or worse, infected, unless surgery is just too risky for you, removing it will definitely improve your health.

It's not at all uncommon for a gallbladder to become gangrenous. A gangrenous gallbladder gives a very short life expectancy without immediate treatment.

Summerthyme
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Coffee enemas daily
That's a lot from what I've read. Buddy of mine is an internal medicine doc. He does coffee enemas on himself with organic coffee. He has a good size protocol he works up to it, too. Very particular on things he'll eat a few days before he does one. I've not been so brave as to do that one.
 
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