ohiohippie
Veteran Member
I’m fearless with the exception of snakes!
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CORONA The Covid Vaccines and Side Effects thread (all things vaccine)
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Hfcomms
EN66iq
They can tell you what is in the vaccine but I wouldn't believe them without independent laboratory analysis from people that have both the expertise and nothing to gain from lying to you. Messenger RNA is a brand new type vaccine using the nano technology and it totally unproven. And with all due deference to President Trump's warp speed program it is unheard of to develop an anti-viral vaccine this quickly. It's 'almost' like they already knew the genome and had it all mapped out ahead of time.
I don't trust it, I don't trust big Pharma and if I err it's going to be erring on the side of caution. Even if you have the best doctors in the world all they know is what is on the product insert before they jab you. What I do know is that global population reduction is very important to the globalists and I just don't trust that a massive effort to come up with a vaccine for a viral illness that right now has about a 1% case fatality rate for the population as a whole is worth being injected with something that noted globalists such as Bill Gates and the rest of them are pushing.
I simply don't trust them and I'm not buying what they are selling.
I don't trust it, I don't trust big Pharma and if I err it's going to be erring on the side of caution. Even if you have the best doctors in the world all they know is what is on the product insert before they jab you. What I do know is that global population reduction is very important to the globalists and I just don't trust that a massive effort to come up with a vaccine for a viral illness that right now has about a 1% case fatality rate for the population as a whole is worth being injected with something that noted globalists such as Bill Gates and the rest of them are pushing.
I simply don't trust them and I'm not buying what they are selling.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
OK this is pretty much what Nightwolf told me:
If you have to take the vaccine (especially the Pfizer and probably the Moderna ones) do NOT take it at the same time as your spouse/partner/adult-child living with you; do it is in shifts.
That's because the side-effects listed by Pfizer included a lot of "level 2" and quite a number of "level 3" reactions which can mean things like high fevers (you are not going to the office or care ward with a fever of 104), severe bone-deep chills, very swollen arms (think twice the size) and just generally feeling like the worst flu you've ever had for an undefined period of time.
For many people, it is only 24 hours but it can go on for a week - so you want SOMEONE in the home who can care for you if you can't keep down your breakfast and are bed-bound shaking with a high fever and arm too swollen to move for three or four days.
Also, someone who can call an ambulance if you start having breathing issues - most of those happen really quickly after the short but they can occur later.
Nightwolf noticed last night that he thinks Pfizer "hid" the anaphylactic reactions by calling them something like "anaphylactoid responses" (aka we got the epi-pen into the patient really fast and then didn't hospitalized them so it wasn't on the record).
Nightwolf said he himself would take the shot if he were working daily with infected people (he's not), but he would make sure that the other able-bodied person in our house who may have to take one for work (she's a water treatment engineer and sometimes has to go to sites and stand in sewage tanks etc) did NOT have one at the same time.
No one knows yet how long any immunity from these shots will last and/or if they will be useful against mutant strains.
Nightwolf also suggested that if a woman has any chance of being pregnant or wanting to get pregnant in the near future they avoid these two new vaccines.
If they are mandated for work, try and hold out for one of the older style vaccines like the Oxford-Zeneca if it passes the re-do of their trials that have to be redone for technical reasons.
I hope that helps, and I do think having plans for coping beyond "I'll never do that" is a good idea, I mean I plan to fight to avoid taking the Pfizer tooth and nail (with sharp kitty claws) because I do have severe allergies and to me, it just isn't worth the risk.
Now if it was airborne Ebola or Smallpox, I probably would accept that risk - in a hospital with an ICU until right there (the first women who reacted in Alaska failed to respond to the usual treatments and had to go into the ICU for a couple of days).
If you have to take the vaccine (especially the Pfizer and probably the Moderna ones) do NOT take it at the same time as your spouse/partner/adult-child living with you; do it is in shifts.
That's because the side-effects listed by Pfizer included a lot of "level 2" and quite a number of "level 3" reactions which can mean things like high fevers (you are not going to the office or care ward with a fever of 104), severe bone-deep chills, very swollen arms (think twice the size) and just generally feeling like the worst flu you've ever had for an undefined period of time.
For many people, it is only 24 hours but it can go on for a week - so you want SOMEONE in the home who can care for you if you can't keep down your breakfast and are bed-bound shaking with a high fever and arm too swollen to move for three or four days.
Also, someone who can call an ambulance if you start having breathing issues - most of those happen really quickly after the short but they can occur later.
Nightwolf noticed last night that he thinks Pfizer "hid" the anaphylactic reactions by calling them something like "anaphylactoid responses" (aka we got the epi-pen into the patient really fast and then didn't hospitalized them so it wasn't on the record).
Nightwolf said he himself would take the shot if he were working daily with infected people (he's not), but he would make sure that the other able-bodied person in our house who may have to take one for work (she's a water treatment engineer and sometimes has to go to sites and stand in sewage tanks etc) did NOT have one at the same time.
No one knows yet how long any immunity from these shots will last and/or if they will be useful against mutant strains.
Nightwolf also suggested that if a woman has any chance of being pregnant or wanting to get pregnant in the near future they avoid these two new vaccines.
If they are mandated for work, try and hold out for one of the older style vaccines like the Oxford-Zeneca if it passes the re-do of their trials that have to be redone for technical reasons.
I hope that helps, and I do think having plans for coping beyond "I'll never do that" is a good idea, I mean I plan to fight to avoid taking the Pfizer tooth and nail (with sharp kitty claws) because I do have severe allergies and to me, it just isn't worth the risk.
Now if it was airborne Ebola or Smallpox, I probably would accept that risk - in a hospital with an ICU until right there (the first women who reacted in Alaska failed to respond to the usual treatments and had to go into the ICU for a couple of days).
foreverkeeps
Veteran Member
The head of our division told us this week we may not go back to working in the office until after summer, after vaccines..... sounds like mandating to me... BUT, since I am in my 60's, I may try to get an exemption to stay WFH.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
naegling62
Veteran Member
I think that pic has been debunked. The disinformation of 2020 is getting ridiculous.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Debunked by whom, the Democrat National Committee? Because of COURSE Nancy Pelosi courageously went forth to take an almost completely untested vaccine.
Babs
Veteran Member
If there are widespread negative effects, one cannot even trust the media, or anyone else to report it accurately.
This is scary as shite to me, and there is no WAY I'm putting this into my body. A disease with a 99.9....something survival rate, and excellent theraputics, a vaccine is unnecessary, imo, and is not in my future. I also don't take kindly to people telling me what I will put into my body.
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Recombinant DNA (rDNA) molecules are DNA molecules formed by laboratory methods of genetic recombination (such as molecular cloning) that bring together genetic material from multiple sources, creating sequences that would not otherwise be found in the genome.
Recombinant DNA is the general name for a piece of DNA that has been created by combining at least two fragments from two different sources. Recombinant DNA is possible because DNA molecules from all organisms share the same chemical structure, and differ only in the nucleotide sequence within that identical overall structure. Recombinant DNA molecules are sometimes called chimeric DNA, because they can be made of material from two different species, like the mythical chimera. R-DNA technology uses palindromic sequences and leads to the production of sticky and blunt ends.
The DNA sequences used in the construction of recombinant DNA molecules can originate from any species. For example, plant DNA may be joined to bacterial DNA, or human DNA may be joined with fungal DNA. In addition, DNA sequences that do not occur anywhere in nature may be created by the chemical synthesis of DNA, and incorporated into recombinant molecules. Using recombinant DNA technology and synthetic DNA, literally any DNA sequence may be created and introduced into any of a very wide range of living organisms.
Proteins that can result from the expression of recombinant DNA within living cells are termed recombinant proteins. When recombinant DNA encoding a protein is introduced into a host organism, the recombinant protein is not necessarily produced.[1] Expression of foreign proteins requires the use of specialized expression vectors and often necessitates significant restructuring by foreign coding sequences.[2]
Recombinant DNA differs from genetic recombination in that the former results from artificial methods in the test tube, while the latter is a normal biological process that results in the remixing of existing DNA sequences in essentially all organisms."
This is scary as shite to me, and there is no WAY I'm putting this into my body. A disease with a 99.9....something survival rate, and excellent theraputics, a vaccine is unnecessary, imo, and is not in my future. I also don't take kindly to people telling me what I will put into my body.
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Recombinant DNA (rDNA) molecules are DNA molecules formed by laboratory methods of genetic recombination (such as molecular cloning) that bring together genetic material from multiple sources, creating sequences that would not otherwise be found in the genome.
Recombinant DNA is the general name for a piece of DNA that has been created by combining at least two fragments from two different sources. Recombinant DNA is possible because DNA molecules from all organisms share the same chemical structure, and differ only in the nucleotide sequence within that identical overall structure. Recombinant DNA molecules are sometimes called chimeric DNA, because they can be made of material from two different species, like the mythical chimera. R-DNA technology uses palindromic sequences and leads to the production of sticky and blunt ends.
The DNA sequences used in the construction of recombinant DNA molecules can originate from any species. For example, plant DNA may be joined to bacterial DNA, or human DNA may be joined with fungal DNA. In addition, DNA sequences that do not occur anywhere in nature may be created by the chemical synthesis of DNA, and incorporated into recombinant molecules. Using recombinant DNA technology and synthetic DNA, literally any DNA sequence may be created and introduced into any of a very wide range of living organisms.
Proteins that can result from the expression of recombinant DNA within living cells are termed recombinant proteins. When recombinant DNA encoding a protein is introduced into a host organism, the recombinant protein is not necessarily produced.[1] Expression of foreign proteins requires the use of specialized expression vectors and often necessitates significant restructuring by foreign coding sequences.[2]
Recombinant DNA differs from genetic recombination in that the former results from artificial methods in the test tube, while the latter is a normal biological process that results in the remixing of existing DNA sequences in essentially all organisms."
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
When the what, now???
Uhhmmm...
Veteran Member
I have been in this position myself several times. I have said some stoopid things, but I always try to back up my "factual" claims with links. Such a courtesy would greatly reduce the horse feces on this thread. Yes, I am talking about you, but not you Rag.
For example, if you believe the vaccine contains fetal tissue, a link would add credence to your supposition. Also, a link would have been helpful regarding the rDNA info - especially, since the vaccine contains no rDNA but rather mRNA. Although DNA and RN are both nucleic acids, they perform quite different functions within the cell.
For example, if you believe the vaccine contains fetal tissue, a link would add credence to your supposition. Also, a link would have been helpful regarding the rDNA info - especially, since the vaccine contains no rDNA but rather mRNA. Although DNA and RN are both nucleic acids, they perform quite different functions within the cell.
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Hogwrench
Senior Member
So far 3,150 people who have received the vaccine have been unable to preform normal daily activities, unable to work, or required care of a doctor according to the CDC. Page 6 of report.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
That is over a 3% of people vaccinated that had serious complications. This isn't an insignificant number and of course we won't know quite some time what long term health impacts might be or if they are disguised as something else. Factor that into the cost/benefit ratio with your decision.
naegling62
Veteran Member
I don't have any information other than on Gab they are circulating a pic without the cap and trustworthy folks say the cap pic is fake. Now the video of the UMC doc or nurse getting a shot with a depressed syringe is real.
naegling62
Veteran Member
Reaction to the vaccine is peanuts compared to the actual immune response. The immune response is where these type vaccines get us in trouble. We'll know something in about a month.
TxGal
Day by day
Watching this vaccination situation like a hawk - not so much for us but our adult kids. A few work at major universities and we're concerned the vac could be required for employment.
Wondering if those who are confirmed to have had the virus will be getting the vac. Also wondering and hoping that if it's required by employers, it will be possible to get the Astra Zeneca vac instead of any other since it seems to have less side effects. Not sure if that one will be available in the US or if it's headed to poorer countries instead. This is the one that costs less per dose and doesn't require extremely cold temps for storage.
Wondering if those who are confirmed to have had the virus will be getting the vac. Also wondering and hoping that if it's required by employers, it will be possible to get the Astra Zeneca vac instead of any other since it seems to have less side effects. Not sure if that one will be available in the US or if it's headed to poorer countries instead. This is the one that costs less per dose and doesn't require extremely cold temps for storage.
My son it a meat cutter, in the union, with major chain. He said his work is pushing the employees to take the vaccine but they have to have medical insurance in order to take it.Quoted from the above article:
So, how many times does the 'experts' have to admit that the vaccines do not protect you, before people will believe them?
If the vaccine protected you, then why worry if somebody else has not taken it?
Why do people not see it?!
That speaks volumes right there since the vaccine is being provide for free.
He opts out of their medical insurance, told them they could fire him.
naegling62
Veteran Member
Why is it showing Cullman county? Didn't this happened in TN?
naegling62
Veteran Member
She isn't listed in Alabama death records.
naegling62
Veteran Member
Wow...just wow! Tiffany Dover apparently just became the next Bigfoot. Her death/hoax or whatever is becoming a internet myth. I hope Alex Jones doesn't latch onto this.
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
More disinformation...and wow...from an Indian twitter random. Seriously...gimmie a break with the shock and awe, stuck on stupid DOOMdom.
A tweet from the hospital she works at: CHI Memorial on Twitter: "UPDATE: Nurse Tiffany Dover appreciates the concern shown for her. She is home and doing well. She asks for privacy for her and her family." / Twitter
Ku Commando
Inactive
Gee whiz sonny.......I wuz tryin' not to make a pointed scripture reference in violation of protocol around these parts......but you've forced me to show my hand
REV 14:9-11
......so THERE YA GO !! ......reckon that angel will be plain as day worldwide......st pete, chiefland & all parts beyond, right?
Nightwolf noticed last night that he thinks Pfizer "hid" the anaphylactic reactions by calling them something like "anaphylactoid responses" (aka we got the epi-pen into the patient really fast and then didn't hospitalized them so it wasn't on the record).
Really? Then were they suggesting that every vaccine dispenser have an epi-pen at full cock just incase. Because otherwise, somebody gonna get dead. And that would be really bad PR.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
@Shazlandia
5h··QAnon and the Great Awakening
Wow, the Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is sure a straight shooter!
i wish President Trump would say this!
RT 1:19
5h··QAnon and the Great Awakening
Wow, the Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is sure a straight shooter!
i wish President Trump would say this!
RT 1:19
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Actually, it is worse - Nightwolf did some more research and the word anaphylactoid is a real medical term (no doctor or researcher knows all of them by heart) and it means an anaphylactic reaction (aka super-serious allergy that can kill) that occurs with NO PREVIOUS EXPOSURE.
That means people were reacting to this shot, like the ladies in Alaska with no previous histories of allergies - so they can't just be sure to keep this from happening much by avoiding vaccinating people like me - this can happen to ANYONE.
Most of these types of allergies take at least a first exposure to set them off - for me it was the oyster dressing that I didn't even know had oysters in it.
My nephew it was probably bad peanut oil in China, so the second time you get exposed is when the serious dangers start.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
. . . or, plain old saline.
No way to tell, in any pictures of TPTB minions "taking a vaccine shot," whether the syringe contents are actually the SAME as what J6P might receive - none.
Photo-ops abound - visual disinformation = another example of spiritual warfare. (well . . . it sure LOOKS like she is receiving the same (total presumption) vaccine that J6P would receive . . . it must be OK . . . and I am scared of "COVID" . . . )
Seeing is not believing.
intothegoodnight
medic38572
TB Fanatic
Just like PCN you may take it once twice even 3 times and then BAM allergic reaction with severe respiratory compromise or even death. I have said before several times. READ the INDICATIONS, CONTRAINDICATIONS and then READ the ADVERSE REACTIONS to all the medications you take.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
UPDATE FROM NIGHTWOLF (via Melodi - not an article)
OK, gang, this is the FIRST review of public medical information so it is too soon to make definite conclusions.
This could CHANGE very quickly.
As of now:
1. Yes there is a new strain floating around the UK, it may be more contagious or it may be simply that the tracking is getting better, but there has been an increase in cases that have this variant.
2. No one on planet Earth knows if the vaccine will protect against this strain - it may, in fact, he said there are some technical things about the mutation that may make it even more susceptible to the vaccine making it work BETTER.
However, NO ONE KNOW YET and anyone who says they do is LYING.
3. He said in his opinion (for now) based on the public information, the need for total and sudden lockdowns, barring of cross country or even localized international travel, etc. based on 6 hours notice to lock everything down is pure Bull Poop (only he used different words).
4. This creates two likely possibilities based on public information:
A. There is something much worse about this strain than is being publically admitted (totally possible but no way to tell when it isn't even in the medical literature yet).
B. BoJo (and his government) are using this as the perfect excuse to lock everything down as much as possible so when the no-trade deal BREXIT goes through and everything descends into total chaos (it is halfway there already) people will blame the Virus and Not the government.
Understand what I mean by "no-Deal" BREXIT at this point isn't about the UK staying in the EU, it won't be; it is about just getting a normal, every-day trade deal as the UK has with Canada or the EU has with the USA.
One that would allow food, medicine, and goods to keep flowing between the UK, the EU,and Ireland via the usual land and sea routes; perhaps with some tariffs but mostly with agreed-upon ways of keeping things moving.
At the moment trucks are already piled up for miles on both sides of the channel, with shortages of some supplies already happening (don't forget things like animal feed and farm equipment).
Finally - Nightwolf said this on his OWN as speculation, so it wasn't just me coming up with this option.
He said if this is the case, it might also explain why Europe and Ireland would go along with this because it also gives them an excuse to keep down the chaos on their sides of things and prevent a mass of duel-passport refugees (and there are a lot of them) flooding onto the continent all at once.
On the other hand, it may be that this new disease IS as bad as is being put out there, and the medical information just isn't there yet - but we are watching - like hawks!
This affects our family too....
OK, gang, this is the FIRST review of public medical information so it is too soon to make definite conclusions.
This could CHANGE very quickly.
As of now:
1. Yes there is a new strain floating around the UK, it may be more contagious or it may be simply that the tracking is getting better, but there has been an increase in cases that have this variant.
2. No one on planet Earth knows if the vaccine will protect against this strain - it may, in fact, he said there are some technical things about the mutation that may make it even more susceptible to the vaccine making it work BETTER.
However, NO ONE KNOW YET and anyone who says they do is LYING.
3. He said in his opinion (for now) based on the public information, the need for total and sudden lockdowns, barring of cross country or even localized international travel, etc. based on 6 hours notice to lock everything down is pure Bull Poop (only he used different words).
4. This creates two likely possibilities based on public information:
A. There is something much worse about this strain than is being publically admitted (totally possible but no way to tell when it isn't even in the medical literature yet).
B. BoJo (and his government) are using this as the perfect excuse to lock everything down as much as possible so when the no-trade deal BREXIT goes through and everything descends into total chaos (it is halfway there already) people will blame the Virus and Not the government.
Understand what I mean by "no-Deal" BREXIT at this point isn't about the UK staying in the EU, it won't be; it is about just getting a normal, every-day trade deal as the UK has with Canada or the EU has with the USA.
One that would allow food, medicine, and goods to keep flowing between the UK, the EU,and Ireland via the usual land and sea routes; perhaps with some tariffs but mostly with agreed-upon ways of keeping things moving.
At the moment trucks are already piled up for miles on both sides of the channel, with shortages of some supplies already happening (don't forget things like animal feed and farm equipment).
Finally - Nightwolf said this on his OWN as speculation, so it wasn't just me coming up with this option.
He said if this is the case, it might also explain why Europe and Ireland would go along with this because it also gives them an excuse to keep down the chaos on their sides of things and prevent a mass of duel-passport refugees (and there are a lot of them) flooding onto the continent all at once.
On the other hand, it may be that this new disease IS as bad as is being put out there, and the medical information just isn't there yet - but we are watching - like hawks!
This affects our family too....
danielboon
TB Fanatic
Agreed there is much deception
marymonde
Veteran Member
The possibility of pathogenic priming from the vaccine is a very real scenario. You get vaxxed, you are exposed to wild virus, body goes into a cytokine storm, causing organ and respiratory failure. This has happened in all the animal studies when developing a SARS one vaccine in the early 2000’s. And that’s why the vaccine was abandoned, massive die offs in animals. It will all be blamed on a more virulent strain. I believe that’s why they want us to see and hear about ALL the adverse affects before, during, and after mass vaccination, to cause more confusion and fear.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Nightwolf did saw that of course, people exposed to the virus but didn't know it, may also be reacting in the way you describe, I just forgot to mention it because he had so much information.
Thank you for doing so, because it does leave the question as to if anyone who has already had COVID, should be vaccinated? And, considering there is no way to know if they've already had it if they didn't have symptoms because the antibodies only last a few weeks, that is another potential problem.
marymonde
Veteran Member
I don’t see this ever ending. They have seemed to have found a way to keep the world in perpetual fear, with or without a vaccine.
Thank Nightwolf for all his research, and thank you for reporting it.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
This does jive with what I've read / studied, but it would be helpful if you posted the LINK from which this is quoted.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I have another question for Nightwolf I haven't seen anyone address.
If ONE person has the shot, and has the reactions (normal, not anaphylactic) that you describe above--
Does this mean, that during the period they "seem" to have symptoms of a "severe flu", that they are actually SHEDDING COVID virus?
So anyone around them--caretakers, etc., would be very much in harm's way as well....
No. There is NO actual virus in the vaccine (which is very different from nearly all other vaccines)
Summerthyme
Melodi
Disaster Cat
But what we don't know is if any of the vaccines are likely to set off either an anaphylactic or cytokine storm (where the immune system goes into overdrive and that can also kill).
Nightwolf said that so far the REPORTED anaphylactic reactions since the roll-out have been in younger people, which he said you would expect if it were doing this by creating an over-activated immune response.
He also said the number of reported people (unable to work) from that CDC list was actually lower than he expected (good news so far) but the number of pregnant women (500 plus) is "shocking."
He said that any vaccine is almost always kept back and not given to pregnant women (except in extreme situations of life or death) until everyone else gets one first.
That's because these vaccines (and even old fashioned ones) cause the body to reject something, also pregnant women tend to have even higher levels of natural immunity (it ramps up, helping to keep Mom's and Babies alive for millions of years). But that makes it even more dangerous to use a vaccine that already may be causing hyperimmune responses in some people (to the point of danger) on pregnant women whose bodies are already on the alert for invasions.
You also don't want their bodies deciding the baby is an invader...that isn't common but it can happen, the immune system issues are probably more of an immediate concern.
rob0126
Veteran Member
Knowing the track record of Big Pharma, how do we really know?
Who's to say they wouldn't sneak something in the vaccine that was not listed on the insert?
0% trust.