desertvet2
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CORONA The Covid Vaccines and Side Effects thread (all things vaccine)
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Ragnarok
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dstraito
TB Fanatic
There is something wrong with this push to vaccinate everyone.
They spent decades.developing a.vaccine for the flu and it is 40% effective.
Now they are telling us they have a vaccine that did not exist ten months ago and it is 95% effect?
That logic flows about as well as Biden getting all those votes when he had trouble getting ten people to show up to his rallies.
Why did Fauci say he recommnded Trump get the vaccine, didn't Teump already have covid?
why are two shots needed?
why does the vaccine only last two months, will you need to get two vaccines every two months?
Why did they remove liability for the manufacturer?
Why are the people hold vaccine patents so pro-vaccine (nevermind, that question answers itself)
Why is the media hawking the vaccine so hard, they have been on the wrong side of everything else?
Why is there a higher percentage of people that will get side effects from the vaccine than covid?
Why do they use fetal tissue?
Why do they use heavy metals?
Why store the vaccine at -72 or whatever and then inject it into a 98.6 person?
They spent decades.developing a.vaccine for the flu and it is 40% effective.
Now they are telling us they have a vaccine that did not exist ten months ago and it is 95% effect?
That logic flows about as well as Biden getting all those votes when he had trouble getting ten people to show up to his rallies.
Why did Fauci say he recommnded Trump get the vaccine, didn't Teump already have covid?
why are two shots needed?
why does the vaccine only last two months, will you need to get two vaccines every two months?
Why did they remove liability for the manufacturer?
Why are the people hold vaccine patents so pro-vaccine (nevermind, that question answers itself)
Why is the media hawking the vaccine so hard, they have been on the wrong side of everything else?
Why is there a higher percentage of people that will get side effects from the vaccine than covid?
Why do they use fetal tissue?
Why do they use heavy metals?
Why store the vaccine at -72 or whatever and then inject it into a 98.6 person?
ohiohippie
Veteran Member
My Dr. told me the antibodies are only staying between 30 days to 9 months.
This is going to be a vicious cycle of vaccines.
This vaccine didn’t have long enuff animal and human trials.
A virus also mutates.
I don’t believe it’s the mark of the beast.
I do believe they are messing with us.
They have a plan.
We are the collateral damage.
Nothing about Covid adds up.
I don’t take flu shots.
No way will I take this willingly.
I’ll fly under the radar as long as I can.
If there is a black market for documentation. I’ll buy it if I have enuff money.
When all else fails...
They can find me.
I won’t take the prick willingly.
This is going to be a vicious cycle of vaccines.
This vaccine didn’t have long enuff animal and human trials.
A virus also mutates.
I don’t believe it’s the mark of the beast.
I do believe they are messing with us.
They have a plan.
We are the collateral damage.
Nothing about Covid adds up.
I don’t take flu shots.
No way will I take this willingly.
I’ll fly under the radar as long as I can.
If there is a black market for documentation. I’ll buy it if I have enuff money.
When all else fails...
They can find me.
I won’t take the prick willingly.
Ku Commando
Inactive
Why is everybody COWERING IN FEAR ???
When the angel of the Lord appears with the warning not take the mark.....then you know its showtime
In the meantime, eat, drink & GIVE PRAISE.......KNOWING our Lord will protect you from any poison the enemy concocts for you. I don't advocate volunteering for the shot......but, eventually......feeling cornered ?? The story of SHADRACH comes to mind.
Got FAITH ??
When the angel of the Lord appears with the warning not take the mark.....then you know its showtime
In the meantime, eat, drink & GIVE PRAISE.......KNOWING our Lord will protect you from any poison the enemy concocts for you. I don't advocate volunteering for the shot......but, eventually......feeling cornered ?? The story of SHADRACH comes to mind.
Got FAITH ??
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I think the OP's intention was developing some game plans. I don't think anyone is cowering in fear, Ku Commando.
I'll play. My plan right now is to continue working from home, and since I'm older, I don't think I'll have a tough time convincing my employers that this is a good plan: I've already shown I'm productive and professional.
As for shopping . . . I don't see the farm markets and small stores requiring vaccines to enter. Actually, I only see the gov't asking for proof of vaccinations for crossing the border by car and for overseas flights.
Will I ever take a Covid vaccine? Perhaps in a few years they will develop an effective one, and I may have to take it before I can have surgery that I may need. I would consider it then, but I would also read everything I could get my hands on.
Right now, it's a No. I don't understand the RNA technology well enough that I want to be a guinea pig, and given my age, I think it's a very bad idea.
I'll play. My plan right now is to continue working from home, and since I'm older, I don't think I'll have a tough time convincing my employers that this is a good plan: I've already shown I'm productive and professional.
As for shopping . . . I don't see the farm markets and small stores requiring vaccines to enter. Actually, I only see the gov't asking for proof of vaccinations for crossing the border by car and for overseas flights.
Will I ever take a Covid vaccine? Perhaps in a few years they will develop an effective one, and I may have to take it before I can have surgery that I may need. I would consider it then, but I would also read everything I could get my hands on.
Right now, it's a No. I don't understand the RNA technology well enough that I want to be a guinea pig, and given my age, I think it's a very bad idea.
Galoutofdixie
Contributing Member
Sorry, I can't help you with your question on what a person should do about the vaccine or about taking it. While I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory, I personally am not afraid of it. I don't think it's the mark of the beast, or any other new world order control mechanism. I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it's available for my age group, and geographical area. I have a couple of health conditions that would put me at risk if I contracted covid on top of them. I've had regular pneumonia twice in the past, and thought I was going to die. The first time I had it, I was in my mid 40's. Not pleasant, but didn't feel like my life was in danger. Second time I was in my early 60's. Much worse! I did think that I might die. Age really does play a role in severity. I Sure do not want covid pneumonia. Anyway, that's my personal experience and opinion. And I respect your right to feel and do as you see fit. I wish everyone the best outcome with whatever they decide is right for them. 
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
As a Believer and Follower of Christ, I exercise my Spiritual Authority to Pray against what the evil power lords are dishing out. I pray for all of God's people everywhere, including Israel, to be protected from harm, and for the harm to be put right back onto the senders. Yes, it is Scriptural.
I Pray this daily, and sometimes more then once a day. I include Prayer for all persons' things, buildings, the infrastructure and provision, their(our) health, finances, etc.. The deep state is trying to make everyone suffer, and that is not acceptable! God can Choose to put it back onto the senders and their things instead!
I Pray this daily, and sometimes more then once a day. I include Prayer for all persons' things, buildings, the infrastructure and provision, their(our) health, finances, etc.. The deep state is trying to make everyone suffer, and that is not acceptable! God can Choose to put it back onto the senders and their things instead!
Husband's company had many people go back to work over the past couple of months and someone came down with the WuFlu this week and company sent out an email that everyone was to stay home until after their second dose of the vaccine. A choice will have to be made at some point.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Sorry, I can't help you with your question on what a person should do about the vaccine or about taking it. While I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory, I personally am not afraid of it. I don't think it's the mark of the beast, or any other new world order control mechanism. I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it's available for my age group, and geographical area. I have a couple of health conditions that would put me at risk if I contracted covid on top of them. I've had regular pneumonia twice in the past, and thought I was going to die. The first time I had it, I was in my mid 40's. Not pleasant, but didn't feel like my life was in danger. Second time I was in my early 60's. Much worse! I did think that I might die. Age really does play a role in severity. I Sure do not want covid pneumonia. Anyway, that's my personal experience and opinion. And I respect your right to feel and do as you see fit. I wish everyone the best outcome with whatever they decide is right for them.
Did you see the video of the nurse who passed out on camera right after taking the vaccine? Are you aware of the ingredients and what the potential side effects are, including death? How about the possibility of face paralysis?
Galoutofdixie
Contributing Member
I am aware and informed. There is the possibility of any number of side effects from this vaccine, and for that matter, just
about every vaccine. My son had quite a severe reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was a child. Bells Palsy is possible side effect of many vaccines. As well as Guillain Barre Syndrome, and many other nasty side effects. I'll pays my money, and takes my chances.
about every vaccine. My son had quite a severe reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was a child. Bells Palsy is possible side effect of many vaccines. As well as Guillain Barre Syndrome, and many other nasty side effects. I'll pays my money, and takes my chances.
auxman
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
I now see this is a dup from another thread... my bad!
Watch as nurse gets vaccine and is in the middle of an interview when she passes out...
RT 1:10
View: https://twitter.com/CryptoBull2020/status/1339736971892183040?s=20
Watch as nurse gets vaccine and is in the middle of an interview when she passes out...
RT 1:10
View: https://twitter.com/CryptoBull2020/status/1339736971892183040?s=20
bassaholic
Veteran Member
One thing I know for sure...is the deception is strong, as predicted.
To "divide and conquer" is a real thing. They can even divide all of us up.
Bible prophecy is coming to life. No matter of your timing views, He's coming.
I'm ready to fly. I'm ready to hunker down too. I prefer a soon flight though.
To "divide and conquer" is a real thing. They can even divide all of us up.
Bible prophecy is coming to life. No matter of your timing views, He's coming.
I'm ready to fly. I'm ready to hunker down too. I prefer a soon flight though.
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Ku Commando
Inactive
Covid vaccine my eye.........that was STAGE FRIGHT & probably didn't eat a good breakfast......dash & dine is the order of the day for the younger crowd.
I will say one thing about this vaccine charade from my electronic bench repair days in the Navy --> WORKS FINE.....LASTS A LONG TIME
......fvkkin' bullshit they're tryin' to pass off to us nowadays.....it's hysterical
et2
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It’s changing your DNA. Just let that sink in. What happens after you take it and they tell you later there’s more shots you need to keep it viable. At what point are you not you anymore but a vessel they can do to you whatever they wish?
Any vaccine I ever received was a cure ... one and done. Your body developed antibodies with its own programming. Now the governments of the world are programming your bodies.
For me it’s no. I will struggle with work telling me I have to get ... fight that when it happens. It isn’t a vaccine ... it’s a weapon of submission and biological control.
Any vaccine I ever received was a cure ... one and done. Your body developed antibodies with its own programming. Now the governments of the world are programming your bodies.
For me it’s no. I will struggle with work telling me I have to get ... fight that when it happens. It isn’t a vaccine ... it’s a weapon of submission and biological control.
Switchback
Veteran Member
I am aware and informed. There is the possibility of any number of side effects from this vaccine, and for that matter, just
about every vaccine. My son had quite a severe reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was a child. Bells Palsy is possible side effect of many vaccines. As well as Guillain Barre Syndrome, and many other nasty side effects. I'll pays my money, and takes my chances.
Shake those dice well and blow on them before the roll. Good luck!
Haha! I saw this one this morning(above video and story is on ZeroHedge).
Right there is a lady who probably should NOT be a critical care nurse.
I've talked down a lot of students (and others who should know better) from passing out over a gory surgical/autopsy table or scene, but a predictable, involuntary response like this gal has....not much for it but a change of duty.
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That was my first thought too ....why on earth would she do that if she knows she could have that reaction ON CAMERA?!
West
Senior
Trying to get my mandated paperwork in order to get my Real ID card. And having a hard time. Because of government approved birth certificate problems.
Thinking in a few months, one is going to need proof of china vaccine to get one.
Trying to stay ahead of it. Should get my certificate with in a week or two.
Thinking in a few months, one is going to need proof of china vaccine to get one.
Trying to stay ahead of it. Should get my certificate with in a week or two.
mossyoak1985
Senior Member
60 sec of fame
you ever see those feinting goats?
its like, "Boo" and they go stiff legged and fall over"
funny as hell.
(she did not feint until she was in the arms of doctor handsome)
Iboya, they are actually one and the same. The disorder is a vagal response:
Vagal responses are caused by many things. They include suddenly getting up, pain, fear, excitement, immersion of the head in cold water, or stimulation of the coratid artery in the neck. Even going to the bathroom can cause the effect in some people.
I have it as does one of my three sons. You never know for sure when it is going to hit. It happens to me when they draw blood or I get a shot. For my son, a gory scene in a movie can cause it. You just never know what might trigger it.
Have to admit, fainting goats were the first analogy I thought of, too. The physiological response system is totally different, but well...some of us are a bit twisted.
I'm sure it's not a fun syndrome to have to live with.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
I am aware and informed. There is the possibility of any number of side effects from this vaccine, and for that matter, just
about every vaccine. My son had quite a severe reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was a child. Bells Palsy is possible side effect of many vaccines. As well as Guillain Barre Syndrome, and many other nasty side effects. I'll pays my money, and takes my chances.
FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines : DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes ***Subject to change***
Guillain-Barré syndrome
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphylaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis/pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Deaths
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Other acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
Kawasaki disease
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
Vaccine enhanced disease
rob0126
Veteran Member
If someone from the 19th century saw this list, they would think anyone that takes something that could cause any of these things, is insane.
But I prefer to say that they have been brainwashed most of their lives by doctors, TV, newspapers, and all the talking heads touting them.
I mean, when they literally tell you that the vaccines do not work, people still take them!
barbarossa58
Veteran Member
Why create a vaccine for something that doesn't exist ?...
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
At the moment, I'm not inclined to take this particular vaccine. Maybe vaccine 2.0, in a couple of years. Let other people be the guinea pigs! We seldom go out anyway, and I have no trips planned, so I think we'll be fine.
Kathleen
Kathleen
Let me try to answer a few of you questions.
["dstraito, post: 8195222, member: 5692"]
There is something wrong with this push to vaccinate everyone.
They spent decades.developing a.vaccine for the flu and it is 40% effective.
Now they are telling us they have a vaccine that did not exist ten months ago and it is 95% effect?That logic flows about as well as Biden getting all those votes when he had trouble getting ten people to show up to his rallies.
Thats because old style vaccines like the flu vaccine actually are grown in organic media and are basically either killed or weakened versions of the virus.
The pfizer and moderna vaccines are completely different and contain no dead or weakened virus or even parts of a virus. The mRNA is designed to create antibodies that are an exact match for the covid virus so the efficacy is very very high.
It is designed in a computer before it is produced, and because in this case red tape and administrative hurdles have been cut by Trumps Warp speed program.
Why did Fauci say he recommnded Trump get the vaccine, didn't Teump already have covid?
Even if you have had Covid, your antibodies are not as effective or strong as those produced by the vaccine. Most medical people are recommending that you wait a month or so after you get over the disease, but it is not required.
why are two shots needed?
Two shots are required in many vaccines. The effect gives your body much greater immunity than if you received a single massive dose.
why does the vaccine only last two months, will you need to get two vaccines every two months?
No one has said the vaccine only lasts two months..
Perhaps you heard that your body's natural antibodies after you have had Covid begin to decline in 2 months. That does not mean that your body's immunity declined. Your body has immune cells that contain the memory of the virus and can instruct your body to make new antibodies. Anyway there are many people in the trials that have been vaccinated more than 2 months ago.
Why did they remove liability for the manufacturer?
Because the government removed a lot of hurdles and requirements to enable Pfizer to deliver a workable vaccine in record time. Right now people in the US are dying at a rate equal to those who died of the 1918 Spanish flu. Over 600,000 in a little over 2 years in 1918. We are over 300,000 in less than a year. And that is with modern medicine and advanced hospital care.
Why are the people hold vaccine patents so pro-vaccine (nevermind, that question answers itself)
Yeah that answered itself
But 99% of medical people and scientists are pro vaccine also.
Why is the media hawking the vaccine so hard, they have been on the wrong side of everything else?
Maybe as a way of tweaking Trump, but I notice every time they talk about how great the vaccine is, even the liberal media grudgingly give Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed.
Why is there a higher percentage of people that will get side effects from the vaccine than covid?
People don't die from the vaccine. 300,000 have died from Covid and 2 to 3 thousand are dying every day in the US. 90% of the side effects are a sore arm and maybe a fever for a day. Those very few who have had allergic reactions had it to one of the 4 fat molecules that are used to hold and protect the mRNA. That particular lipid is also used in cosmetics and store bought food.
Why do they use fetal tissue?
There is no fetal tissue in any way shape or form in the vaccine.
Stem cells (some animal, some adult, and some fetal) were used in testing the vaccines and are in fact used in almost every vaccine testing and development. Even in the old vaccines. If you take any medicine developed in the last 10 years, stem cells were probably used in development and testing. Stem cells are also used in developing most cosmetics now days too.Again no stem cells, fetal or otherwise, are in the vaccine, not even parts of stem cells.
Why do they use heavy metals?
They don't. I'll post an article after this that describes all the ingredients in the vaccine and what each one does. You will see that Pfizers vaccine doesn't have all the hazardous preservatives and additives that old style vaccines had.
Why store the vaccine at -72 or whatever and then inject it into a 98.6 person?
mRNA molecules are delicate and easily damaged. The vaccine must store them surrounded by lipid (fat) molecules and at low temperature to keep them from being damaged. They are mixed with saline and injected at room temperature and at the same ph as your body.
Again a following article will explain this
Oh and someone else was saying that it changes your DNA.
Also not true. It doesn't even enter the cell nucleus where your DNA is, and it doesn't react with it at all. After the mRNA does its job to get your body to produce antibodies, it is eventually destroyed by your body which attacks foreign molecules.
Anyway thats the skinny on mRNA vaccines. There are so many articles and rumors out there.
Oh and my own feeling is that if you don't want to get it you should be free not to.
Once 70 to 80 percent of the population has gotten it, the ones who don't want it should not be a threat to anyone else. After the first few days the percentage of people who say they will get the vaccine has gone up to around 70%. People with money offering bribes to go to the head of the line.
["dstraito, post: 8195222, member: 5692"]
There is something wrong with this push to vaccinate everyone.
They spent decades.developing a.vaccine for the flu and it is 40% effective.
Now they are telling us they have a vaccine that did not exist ten months ago and it is 95% effect?That logic flows about as well as Biden getting all those votes when he had trouble getting ten people to show up to his rallies.
Thats because old style vaccines like the flu vaccine actually are grown in organic media and are basically either killed or weakened versions of the virus.
The pfizer and moderna vaccines are completely different and contain no dead or weakened virus or even parts of a virus. The mRNA is designed to create antibodies that are an exact match for the covid virus so the efficacy is very very high.
It is designed in a computer before it is produced, and because in this case red tape and administrative hurdles have been cut by Trumps Warp speed program.
Why did Fauci say he recommnded Trump get the vaccine, didn't Teump already have covid?
Even if you have had Covid, your antibodies are not as effective or strong as those produced by the vaccine. Most medical people are recommending that you wait a month or so after you get over the disease, but it is not required.
why are two shots needed?
Two shots are required in many vaccines. The effect gives your body much greater immunity than if you received a single massive dose.
why does the vaccine only last two months, will you need to get two vaccines every two months?
No one has said the vaccine only lasts two months..
Perhaps you heard that your body's natural antibodies after you have had Covid begin to decline in 2 months. That does not mean that your body's immunity declined. Your body has immune cells that contain the memory of the virus and can instruct your body to make new antibodies. Anyway there are many people in the trials that have been vaccinated more than 2 months ago.
Why did they remove liability for the manufacturer?
Because the government removed a lot of hurdles and requirements to enable Pfizer to deliver a workable vaccine in record time. Right now people in the US are dying at a rate equal to those who died of the 1918 Spanish flu. Over 600,000 in a little over 2 years in 1918. We are over 300,000 in less than a year. And that is with modern medicine and advanced hospital care.
Why are the people hold vaccine patents so pro-vaccine (nevermind, that question answers itself)
Yeah that answered itself
But 99% of medical people and scientists are pro vaccine also.
Why is the media hawking the vaccine so hard, they have been on the wrong side of everything else?
Maybe as a way of tweaking Trump, but I notice every time they talk about how great the vaccine is, even the liberal media grudgingly give Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed.
Why is there a higher percentage of people that will get side effects from the vaccine than covid?
People don't die from the vaccine. 300,000 have died from Covid and 2 to 3 thousand are dying every day in the US. 90% of the side effects are a sore arm and maybe a fever for a day. Those very few who have had allergic reactions had it to one of the 4 fat molecules that are used to hold and protect the mRNA. That particular lipid is also used in cosmetics and store bought food.
Why do they use fetal tissue?
There is no fetal tissue in any way shape or form in the vaccine.
Stem cells (some animal, some adult, and some fetal) were used in testing the vaccines and are in fact used in almost every vaccine testing and development. Even in the old vaccines. If you take any medicine developed in the last 10 years, stem cells were probably used in development and testing. Stem cells are also used in developing most cosmetics now days too.Again no stem cells, fetal or otherwise, are in the vaccine, not even parts of stem cells.
Why do they use heavy metals?
They don't. I'll post an article after this that describes all the ingredients in the vaccine and what each one does. You will see that Pfizers vaccine doesn't have all the hazardous preservatives and additives that old style vaccines had.
Why store the vaccine at -72 or whatever and then inject it into a 98.6 person?
mRNA molecules are delicate and easily damaged. The vaccine must store them surrounded by lipid (fat) molecules and at low temperature to keep them from being damaged. They are mixed with saline and injected at room temperature and at the same ph as your body.
Again a following article will explain this
Oh and someone else was saying that it changes your DNA.
Also not true. It doesn't even enter the cell nucleus where your DNA is, and it doesn't react with it at all. After the mRNA does its job to get your body to produce antibodies, it is eventually destroyed by your body which attacks foreign molecules.
Anyway thats the skinny on mRNA vaccines. There are so many articles and rumors out there.
Oh and my own feeling is that if you don't want to get it you should be free not to.
Once 70 to 80 percent of the population has gotten it, the ones who don't want it should not be a threat to anyone else. After the first few days the percentage of people who say they will get the vaccine has gone up to around 70%. People with money offering bribes to go to the head of the line.
What exactly is in the Pfizer Covid vaccine?? Everybody wants to know and the rumors circulation are wrong.
MIT Technology Review is pretty reliable. I know there are people out there who will refuse any info that doesn't confirm their own biases, but that isn't most rational people.
Anyway here is a pretty detailed article about what is in the vaccine.
News is now reporting that people willing to get the vaccine in now over 70% so a few not getting it really doesn't matter or affect me.
www.technologyreview.com
What are the ingredients of Pfizer’s covid-19 vaccine?
We asked experts to help us decode the contents.
by
December 9, 2020
Ms Tech | Getty
Facebook said on December 3 that it would remove posts with false claims or conspiracy theories about what’s in the covid-19 vaccines that everyone’s counting on.
In the face of rumors suggesting that Bill Gates has installed tracking microchips in the shots, or that the inoculations contain luciferase, a glowing chemical from fireflies whose name makes some people think of the devil, the company suggested it would be policing such claims by making reference to the “official vaccine ingredient list.”
What’s actually on the official ingredient list? This week an elderly UK woman became the first person outside of a trial to get the newly approved vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, and the US could greenlight the same inoculation as soon as Thursday, December 10. Along with the regulatory actions over the last week have come the most detailed disclosures yet of the new vaccine’s makeup.
Here, for instance, is what the US Food and Drug Administration says is in Pfizer’s vaccine:
Reading the ingredient list is like looking at the side of a cereal box, except that you need a degree in organic chemistry to understand it. We got help from various scientists and biotech entrepreneurs to understand what each of the ingredients does and make some educated guesses about others.
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The mRNA
Pfizer’s vaccine is the first on the market that consists of actual genetic information from a virus in the form of messenger RNA, or mRNA, a type of molecule whose usual job is to transport copies of genetic instructions around a cell to guide the assembly of proteins. Imagine an mRNA as a long ticker tape carrying instructions. It's fairly delicate stuff, and that's why Pfizer's vaccine needs to be kept at around -100 °F (-73 °C) until it's used.
The new vaccine, delivered as a shot in the arm muscle, contains an RNA sequence taken from the virus itself; it causes cells to manufacture the big “spike” protein of the coronavirus, which the pathogen uses to glom onto a person’s cells and gain entry. On its own, without the rest of the virus, the spike is pretty harmless. But your body still reacts to it. This is what leaves you immunized and ready to repel the real virus if it turns up.
The mRNA in the vaccine, to be sure, isn’t quite the same as the stuff in your body. That’s good, because a cell is full of defenses ready to chop up RNA, especially any that doesn’t belong there. To avoid that, what’s known as “modified nucleosides” have been substituted for some of the mRNA building blocks.
But Pfizer is holding back a little. The spike gene sequence can be tweaked in small ways for better performance, by means that include swapping letters. We don’t think Pfizer has said exactly what sequence it is using, or what modified nucleosides. That means the content of the shot may not be 100% public.
The lipids
The Pfizer vaccine, like one from Moderna, uses lipid nanoparticles to encase the RNA. The nanoparticles are, basically, tiny greasy spheres that protect the mRNA and help it slide inside cells.
These particles are probably around 100 nanometers across. Curiously, that’s about the same size as the coronavirus itself.
Pfizer says it uses four different lipids in a “defined ratio.” The lipid ALC-0315 is the primary ingredient in the formulation. That’s because it’s ionizable—it can be given a positive charge, and since the RNA has a negative one, they stick together. It's also a component that can cause side-effects or allergic reactions. The other lipids, one of which is the familiar molecule cholesterol, are “helpers” that give structural integrity to the nanoparticles or stop them from clumping. During manufacturing, the RNA and the lipids are stirred into a bubbly mix to form what the FDA describes as a “white to off-white” frozen liquid.
Salts
The Pfizer vaccine contains four salts, one of which is ordinary table salt. Together, these salts are better known as phosphate-buffered saline, or PBS, a very common ingredient that keeps the pH, or acidity, of the vaccine close to that of a person’s body. You’ll understand how important that is if you’ve ever squeezed lemon juice on a cut. Substances with the wrong acidity can injure cells or get quickly degraded.
Sugar
The vaccine includes plain old sugar, also called sucrose. It’s acting here as a cryoprotectant to safeguard the nanoparticles when they’re frozen and stop them from sticking together.
Saline solution
Before injection, the vaccine is mixed with water containing sodium chloride, or ordinary salt, just as many intravenously delivered drugs are. Again, the idea is that the injection should more or less match the salt content of the blood.
No preservatives
Pfizer makes a point of saying its mixture of lipid nanoparticles and mRNA is “preservative-free.” That’s because a preservative that’s been used in other vaccines, thimerosal (which contains mercury and is there to kill any bacteria that might contaminate a vial), has been at the center of worries around over whether vaccines cause autism. The US Centers for Disease Control says thimerosal is safe; despite that, its use is being phased out. There is no thimerosal—or any other preservative—in the Pfizer vaccine. No microchips, either.
The vaccine is still known by the code name BNT162b, but once it’s authorized, expect Pfizer to give it a new, commercial name that conveys something about what’s in it and what it promises for the world.
I'm voting for them to name it RONAVAC
We thank the following people for explaining the vaccine ingredients: Jacob Becraft and Aalok Shah, Strand Therapeutics; Yizhou Dong, Ohio State University; Jason Underwood, Pacific Biosciences; Andrey Zarur, Greenlight Biosciences; Charles L. Cooney, MIT; and the communications staffs of Pfizer and Moderna Therapeutics.
MIT Technology Review is pretty reliable. I know there are people out there who will refuse any info that doesn't confirm their own biases, but that isn't most rational people.
Anyway here is a pretty detailed article about what is in the vaccine.
News is now reporting that people willing to get the vaccine in now over 70% so a few not getting it really doesn't matter or affect me.
What are the ingredients of Pfizer’s covid-19 vaccine?
We asked experts to help us decode the contents.
www.technologyreview.com
We asked experts to help us decode the contents.
by
December 9, 2020
Facebook said on December 3 that it would remove posts with false claims or conspiracy theories about what’s in the covid-19 vaccines that everyone’s counting on.
In the face of rumors suggesting that Bill Gates has installed tracking microchips in the shots, or that the inoculations contain luciferase, a glowing chemical from fireflies whose name makes some people think of the devil, the company suggested it would be policing such claims by making reference to the “official vaccine ingredient list.”
What’s actually on the official ingredient list? This week an elderly UK woman became the first person outside of a trial to get the newly approved vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, and the US could greenlight the same inoculation as soon as Thursday, December 10. Along with the regulatory actions over the last week have come the most detailed disclosures yet of the new vaccine’s makeup.
Here, for instance, is what the US Food and Drug Administration says is in Pfizer’s vaccine:
- Active Ingredient
- nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) encoding the viral spike glycoprotein (S) of SARS-CoV-2
- Lipids
- (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015)
- (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159)
- 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC)
- cholesterol
- Salts
- potassium chloride
- monobasic potassium phosphate
- sodium chloride
- basic sodium phosphate dihydrate
- Other
- sucrose
Reading the ingredient list is like looking at the side of a cereal box, except that you need a degree in organic chemistry to understand it. We got help from various scientists and biotech entrepreneurs to understand what each of the ingredients does and make some educated guesses about others.
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The mRNA
Pfizer’s vaccine is the first on the market that consists of actual genetic information from a virus in the form of messenger RNA, or mRNA, a type of molecule whose usual job is to transport copies of genetic instructions around a cell to guide the assembly of proteins. Imagine an mRNA as a long ticker tape carrying instructions. It's fairly delicate stuff, and that's why Pfizer's vaccine needs to be kept at around -100 °F (-73 °C) until it's used.
The new vaccine, delivered as a shot in the arm muscle, contains an RNA sequence taken from the virus itself; it causes cells to manufacture the big “spike” protein of the coronavirus, which the pathogen uses to glom onto a person’s cells and gain entry. On its own, without the rest of the virus, the spike is pretty harmless. But your body still reacts to it. This is what leaves you immunized and ready to repel the real virus if it turns up.
The mRNA in the vaccine, to be sure, isn’t quite the same as the stuff in your body. That’s good, because a cell is full of defenses ready to chop up RNA, especially any that doesn’t belong there. To avoid that, what’s known as “modified nucleosides” have been substituted for some of the mRNA building blocks.
But Pfizer is holding back a little. The spike gene sequence can be tweaked in small ways for better performance, by means that include swapping letters. We don’t think Pfizer has said exactly what sequence it is using, or what modified nucleosides. That means the content of the shot may not be 100% public.
The lipids
The Pfizer vaccine, like one from Moderna, uses lipid nanoparticles to encase the RNA. The nanoparticles are, basically, tiny greasy spheres that protect the mRNA and help it slide inside cells.
These particles are probably around 100 nanometers across. Curiously, that’s about the same size as the coronavirus itself.
Pfizer says it uses four different lipids in a “defined ratio.” The lipid ALC-0315 is the primary ingredient in the formulation. That’s because it’s ionizable—it can be given a positive charge, and since the RNA has a negative one, they stick together. It's also a component that can cause side-effects or allergic reactions. The other lipids, one of which is the familiar molecule cholesterol, are “helpers” that give structural integrity to the nanoparticles or stop them from clumping. During manufacturing, the RNA and the lipids are stirred into a bubbly mix to form what the FDA describes as a “white to off-white” frozen liquid.
Salts
The Pfizer vaccine contains four salts, one of which is ordinary table salt. Together, these salts are better known as phosphate-buffered saline, or PBS, a very common ingredient that keeps the pH, or acidity, of the vaccine close to that of a person’s body. You’ll understand how important that is if you’ve ever squeezed lemon juice on a cut. Substances with the wrong acidity can injure cells or get quickly degraded.
Sugar
The vaccine includes plain old sugar, also called sucrose. It’s acting here as a cryoprotectant to safeguard the nanoparticles when they’re frozen and stop them from sticking together.
Saline solution
Before injection, the vaccine is mixed with water containing sodium chloride, or ordinary salt, just as many intravenously delivered drugs are. Again, the idea is that the injection should more or less match the salt content of the blood.
No preservatives
Pfizer makes a point of saying its mixture of lipid nanoparticles and mRNA is “preservative-free.” That’s because a preservative that’s been used in other vaccines, thimerosal (which contains mercury and is there to kill any bacteria that might contaminate a vial), has been at the center of worries around over whether vaccines cause autism. The US Centers for Disease Control says thimerosal is safe; despite that, its use is being phased out. There is no thimerosal—or any other preservative—in the Pfizer vaccine. No microchips, either.
The vaccine is still known by the code name BNT162b, but once it’s authorized, expect Pfizer to give it a new, commercial name that conveys something about what’s in it and what it promises for the world.
I'm voting for them to name it RONAVAC
We thank the following people for explaining the vaccine ingredients: Jacob Becraft and Aalok Shah, Strand Therapeutics; Yizhou Dong, Ohio State University; Jason Underwood, Pacific Biosciences; Andrey Zarur, Greenlight Biosciences; Charles L. Cooney, MIT; and the communications staffs of Pfizer and Moderna Therapeutics.
Michiana MaJo
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Not long ago, there was an article saying that a retired top official from Pfizer stated the vaccine could cause sterility in women of child bearing age.
An ingredient in the vaccines is fetal cells. I was listening to a program called trunews.com, tonight.
A thought provoking question was asked......"Would God want His people to put cells from an aborted baby into our bodies?
An ingredient in the vaccines is fetal cells. I was listening to a program called trunews.com, tonight.
A thought provoking question was asked......"Would God want His people to put cells from an aborted baby into our bodies?
Not long ago, there was an article saying that a retired top official from Pfizer stated the vaccine could cause sterility in women of child bearing age.
Stick around for a few years and we will find out. Again, seriously, Pfizer says that no past or present member of the company has made such a statement. Your article is probably a twitter fart that turned into a rumor, that turned into a conspiracy, that finally made it to some pseudomed publication. Try to get the actual quote, not hearsay.
An ingredient in the vaccines is fetal cells. I was listening to a program called trunews.com, tonight.
A thought provoking question was asked......"Would God want His people to put cells from an aborted baby into our bodies?
Let's see..... MIT technology review or Trunews. Which source would have accurate information on a high tech medical issue?? Hmmm, let me see.
I'll go with MIT Tech for a 1000 Alex.
Seriously, there are no fetal cells in the vaccine. In the post above I gave you a list of the exact ingredients. Didn't you read it?
As far as aborted baby cells,,,, then you should probably not use many women's cosmetics, but the Pfizer Covid vaccine doesn't have them. Sorry.
A lot of accusations against any new technology starts a tweets from people that have no more expertise than you or I.
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
Yes, Terry, I did read your post listing the vaccine’s ingredients, except it was not complete......elsewhere, I DID read that fetal cells are used in that vaccine, and even that they are of male Caucasian fetuses.