USA Civil War Is Coming. Can We Stop It in Time?

Altura Ct.

Veteran Member
As all the world knows, the election of 2020 was destined to be messy, as the two nations inhabiting the territory of these United States geared up for battle: after four years of nonstop media abuse, in which the major news generators had long since abandoned any pretense to impartiality, both sides were spoiling for a fight. The two simply don’t inhabit the same mental universe. For the one faction, the four years of intolerable rule by the evil Orangeman threatened as nothing else had such natural rights as infanticide and sodomitical unions. For the other, the looming tyranny they endured under Obama seemed poised to return with a vengeance—punctuated by burning cities and the long march of the “woke” through beloved institutions. Thus far, the disputed election returns seem to the former as deliverance from Pharaoh, and to the latter as a titanic fraud amounting to a rolling coup. It is a tense moment at this writing, and into the midst of it has dropped a video tweeted by Jon Voight.

The Academy Award–winning actor was quite the leftist in his youth, but, like so many of his generation, he has traveled a long ideological road since the wild days of the sixties. The former Midnight Cowboy is now a convinced Republican and was a vocal supporter of both Romney and Trump. In the video, Voight has weighed in on the disputed election returns with a vengeance. He declared that he was

["]disgusted with this lie that Biden has been chosen. There will be a price to pay. The ones who are jumping for joy now are jumping toward the horror they will be in for. I know the promises being made from the left to the American people will never come to be. My friends from all colors, races, and religions, this is now our greatest fight since the civil war. The battle of righteousness versus Satan. Yes, Satan, because these leftists are evil, corrupt and they want to tear down this nation. We must not allow this. We must fight this corruption that has taken over and fight for the good that seems lost. Let us give our trust to God and fight now for Trump’s victory because we all know this ballot count is [corrupt] like they are, so let us not back down. Let us fight this fight as it is our last fight on earth. As Muhammad Ali said, “It’s not over ’til the last punch you have.” God bless.["]

Now, regardless of whether Trump remains in the White House or is replaced by the Harris-Biden team, this soliloquy speaks to a reality that has been ignored by the ruling and chattering classes, while their Antifa and BLM helots have been tearing down statues and burning stores, and their academic “woke” members have been trying to sanitize the national mind for its own supposed protection. With all of the pushing and prodding of what Hillary Clinton labeled the deplorables and what observers of their geographical situation might call the Country Party (for all that some of its members can still be found in urban areas of the bluest of blue states), a vast head of resentment is being built up. The ongoing assault on various historical symbols, the unrest of the past summer, and what many see as a stolen election are leading many to echo Voight’s sentiments. Where will this take us?

If the President is able to pull a victory out of a hat—that is, if sufficient fraudulent votes are proved and discarded by courts to give him the required electoral votes—then the shrillness of the media of the past four years shall rise to a white heat. No doubt, initially, Antifa, BLM, and the like shall take to the streets to destabilize the country as much as possible. With no election in sight, Trump shall have no reason not to smack back in kind. With order restored, we’ll have four more years of relative peace.

But should the Harris-Biden ticket take charge, things shall be a bit more complex. If they are wise, they’ll let things cool down a bit. However, that hasn’t been their style. Most likely, the push for ever more abortion, gender confusion, and historical erasure will gather ever more steam at the hands of a regime ever more intrusive into the lives of its subjects. Cancel culture and doxing shall increase—especially with tacit official permission. New York’s effervescent representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has called for Trump supporters’ names and addresses to be “collated” so that they may be “held accountable” when the White House is occupied by Harris-Biden. How far any of this may go in reality is another thing. But if that is indeed the path the new regime takes, there shall be trouble.

Already, during the long, hot summer of 2020, a group of would-be looters arrived in Coeur d’Alene, fresh from practicing urban renewal in downtown Spokane. Mounted aboard a bus and several cars, they were greeted in that northern Idaho town not by law enforcement but by heavily armed locals. Wisdom prevailed, and they left. Nor should it be thought that this kind of home guard work was restricted to whites. One particularly heartwarming video showed the Crips chasing Antifa out of Long Beach, California, while the Latin Kings assisted the police in keeping looters out of Chicago’s Little Village.

These things are far more complex than the “woke” really understand. Beyond these sorts of phenomena are folk like the Boogaloo Boys and the Proud Boys and, at a further remove, the various diminished but far from nonexistent groups that a few decades ago were called militias.

If the great majority of people living in “red” precincts—not states or counties—are sufficiently disaffected and harassed by their rulers, they shall turn to such people and their ideas for support and aid against an increasingly abusive rulership. The result, at best, will be the sort of low-pressure but ongoing street fighting that characterized the latter days of the Weimar Republic. At worst, it will be full-blown civil war.

It may well be that those in charge feel that that is a small price to pay for utopia. But there are several problems with their thinking—quite apart from the moral issues, which are, of course, meaningless for them. The first is that, in their warmed-over Marxist imaginations, historically “underrepresented” groups beefed up with brainwashed college kids have to take the place of the now mostly nonexistent urban proletariat as shock troops of the new order. This reorientation of Marx from class to race automatically puts the would-be new rulership at a numerical disadvantage—and, of course, many members of these groups aren’t silly enough to fall for it.

Secondly, having severely weakened law enforcement through defunding and continuing assaults on its probity, liberal mayors may find the police, the National Guard, and even their own governors unwilling to move against such people—people from whose ranks, in great part, they are recruited. Should President Harris see fit to invoke the Insurrection Act, though she might find the military command structure quite willing to deploy, things might be quite different with the rank and file of combat arms, who are notoriously heavily recruited from among the deplorables. Visions of the mutiny scene from Doctor Zhivago haunt me.

Of course, it must be understood that there is a world of difference between the Russia of 1917 and the United States of America of 2020. Communications, arms, industry, and so on were concentrated in the Moscow–Saint Petersburg corridor. It took the Reds five years to conquer the rest of the country from the Whites, but from that point, their victory was almost a foregone conclusion. However, that is not the case in modern America: all of these things are spread out. If anything, the regime’s heartlands on the two coasts produce little in the way of anything tangible. But while the likelihood of the regime’s ultimate victory might be slight, the damage done to the country would be incalculable. Ideological purity might be appealing to some, but, without a doubt, such a struggle would end the Constitution and destroy our standing abroad. What would follow?

Civil War Is Coming. Can We Stop It in Time? - Crisis Magazine
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
Sorry, just not feeling like much of a Civil War 2 happening either.

Just look at our side right now! Cheating in broad daylight. Caught by multiple people multiple ways.
Videos, emails, Newsmax, OANN, some social media.

And what's our side done so far?????
Zip. We don't take to the streets, we don't protest politicians homes over this.
We don't DEMAND honest recounts with tons of our side of Patriots there to watch.
Those 6 battleground states... where are the Trump voters?????
Are they really just going to fold and accept the results???
And the state officials continous backstabbing against them?

If they continue to cave I don't see anything positive on the horizon.
No state leaders out there now leading the charge to help us and for us rally around.
Our country HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN by the EVIL LEFT.
I think we'll just continue folding like cheap suits when Kommie H puts the hard lock downs in place, and that's just for starters.
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
The minute the bastards have power they will use any means they have to finish us off. I just hope some of their supporters get caught as well. "The revolution eats its young-but not soon enough. "
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
And what's our side done so far?????
Zip. We don't take to the streets, we don't protest politicians homes over this.
We don't DEMAND honest recounts with tons of our side of Patriots there to watch.
Those 6 battleground states... where are the Trump voters?????
Are they really just going to fold and accept the results???
And the state officials continous backstabbing against them?


This article alone refutes three out of your four points.

We took to the streets.
We demanded honest recounts with tons of our side of Patriots there to watch.
We did not just fold and accept the results.

I'm terribly sorry we haven't hauled anyone out of their houses for you yet.
 

subnet

Boot

This article alone refutes three out of your four points.

We took to the streets.
We demanded honest recounts with tons of our side of Patriots there to watch.
We did not just fold and accept the results.

I'm terribly sorry we haven't hauled anyone out of their houses for you yet.
Plenty of time, get the lead out...
No pun intended but that works as well...lol
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
When reduced to a tactical and logistical equation I'm not seeing it. Given the current view of the Clinton Archipelago. The majority of Progressives are nicely corralled with the small footprint of major cities and megalopolis like LA and the Tristate area on the east coast.

Did I miss something?
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
if we cannot have a civil peace - GUESS WHAT?

ETA -

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse.

- John Stuart Mill


Well, I guess that "Decayed and degraded" covers a fair part of the spectrum in the US these days.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Are you so sure about that claim? We are dealing with real communists. Are ya just gonna lie down for a nap? Yes there will be a bloody battle in the near future. All across America. Prepare to eat crow.
Watch and see.

If the jackboots pull up outside and say, “bitch, load up in the truck“ 99.999% of America is gonna load up in the truck.

The rest is a rounding error, not a war......
 
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Optimus Prime

Senior Member
Civil? War? Nope, not gonna happen. The red states/patriots/conservatives, etc.. have no leadership, no command and control, no intel, no logistics, no armor, no air power and on and on. The left/lib/commies have it.

I wish this term “civil war” would go away, it’s misleading. Who’s the enemy? Anyone wearing black? Anyone in the media? Any elected democrat? Any professor at the university’s? We have lots of guns, mags and bullets but I ask...whom will you bring into your sight picture?

I can envision anarchy/guerrilla warfare, maybe. Likely we will all just keep making smaller and smaller footprints in this age of data, shrinking into enclaves/tribes/communities of like minded folks.
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
riot = when 1 side fights
civil war = when brothers on the other side, respond in kind.
Civil War = when one or more State Legislatures secede, and war breaks out, as a result.

Call it what you want. This is going kinetic no matter how the Electors vote.

POTUS has most of the military behind him.....except, those in the Pentagon and on the take...and whomever they can convince to join them. POTUS as militia....disorganized, but fervent in their patriotism. He has the NSA, and the DNI....hopefully military intelligence.

The Black Hats have the CIA, Big Tech (until POTUS pulls the plug), the conmen in the Media, the Blue Helmets, and Chinese troops, if needed.

It ain't gonna be pretty.
 

Nopie

Contributing Member
I try to think what would make me say, "Yeah, I'm ready for a war, bring it!"

Government/Dem/SJW - hurt my family, hurt my community, take my gun, take my property (that I own with no mortgage!), take the life of that which I love... yeah, that would do it.

Hope it never comes to that, but I know it could.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Dang son! What kind of people do you hang around with?

You either need some self confidence, backbone, or a new set of ‘friends!’

:rolleyes:
Step off the porch then, bub. But I’m guessing that won’t happen.

But, maybe you are one of the .001%. I dunno you.

But generally, yes I have a low opinion of the quality of the “average citizen” these days.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Step off the porch then, bub. But I’m guessing that won’t happen.

But, maybe you are on of the .001%. I dunno you.

But generally, yes I have a low opinion of the quality of the “average citizen” these days.

Will sir, we will see...but again, what about you?

Have you totally given up? You could be one of the 0.001% too...but with a fatalistic attitude, how will you inspire others to fight the evil?

I don’t know how old you are, but more people than we think look to us when the crap gets going...especially younger people. Lord knows they lack good role models!

So, all I can guarantee now is I will do all I can when the time comes. I also pray to God for strength for me and other men and women who will try. But I won’t give in to despair.

And yes, I kind of agree about the average citizen today too, but we could be the example they need...what else you gonna do? :shr:
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Will sir, we will see...but again, what about you?

Have you totally given up? You could be one of the 0.001% too...but with a fatalistic attitude, how will you inspire others to fight the evil?

I don’t know how old you are, but more people than we think look to us when the crap gets going...especially younger people. Lord knows they lack good role models!

So, all I can guarantee now is I will do all I can when the time comes. I also pray to God for strength for me and other men and women who will try. But I won’t give in to despair.
I‘m not out to ”inspire” anyone. I’m out to survive as long as I can and take care of the ones I love, because I’m damn sure no one else will look after them.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The lack of patience is astounding. The election was November 3rd, a mere 20 days, or three weeks ago. And we have till December 14th, which is another three weeks. After that we got another 5 weeks to January 20th, of 2021.
Sheesh, get a handle on things. We got two full months before Biden, or Trump is sworn in. I have watched these antifa punks since May at least. I have to say they have gotten NO pushback, are insolent, arrogant, punks who are going to roll up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown the first time they get resisted, with lethal force, and where they can't control the narrative.
They believe Marxism works, clutz's like Wheeler and Brown are actual leaders, and they can do whatever they want to cuz they got daddy district attorney running interference for them.

Enjoy the next two months; after that, make your decisions based on what you know THEN and not now.
You are all trying to make decisions for late January from info in November. Be patient, whatever you call it, a serious, serious, level of kill is coming down on this nation.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Civil? War? Nope, not gonna happen. The red states/patriots/conservatives, etc.. have no leadership, no command and control, no intel, no logistics, no armor, no air power and on and on. The left/lib/commies have it.

I wish this term “civil war” would go away, it’s misleading. Who’s the enemy? Anyone wearing black? Anyone in the media? Any elected democrat? Any professor at the university’s? We have lots of guns, mags and bullets but I ask...whom will you bring into your sight picture?

I can envision anarchy/guerrilla warfare, maybe. Likely we will all just keep making smaller and smaller footprints in this age of data, shrinking into enclaves/tribes/communities of like minded folks.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No Plan at All. No organization at all. No cohesiveness at all. No reason to be at all.


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Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
Step off the porch then, bub. But I’m guessing that won’t happen.

But, maybe you are one of the .001%. I dunno you.

But generally, yes I have a low opinion of the quality of the “average citizen” these days.

Soap Box was the first step, that's come and gone.
Ballot Box is step 2 and it's done. We're just waiting for the dust to settle.
Cartridge Box is the last step.

Trump unofficially had 73 millions votes. if only 1% said enough and rose up, that's 73,000 Patriots... The US Army only has around 66,000 in the Infantry. You start going up percentage points and we start having more armed Patriots than some nations have in their entire military.
There are a bunch of pissed off Patriots right now and that number is growing everyday. Beverly Hills is a prime example. For months leading up to the election, Trump supporters rallied on the weekend in one of the parks there and they had a huge crowd. Singing, dancing, waving flags and all races and sexual preferences having a good time. Fast forward to the week after the election, suddenly Riot police start showing up and declare an unlawful assembly and threaten arrest if they don't disperse. They made them leave at 6pm this past weekend. It's been a repeating pattern these past few weeks and a lot of people in that crowd are getting angry. It's sad because you see all manners of flags supporting the police and then suddenly they are being targeted by the very people they support. All those guns and ammo that were purchased this year were not bought to turn around and sell them to the government, they were bought to preserve their way of life. I know I spent quite a bit this year in gear and ammo and if the shooting starts, I will be stepping off the porch. I always said if shit is going to go South, do it while I'm still young enough to fight.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Soap Box was the first step, that's come and gone.
Ballot Box is step 2 and it's done. We're just waiting for the dust to settle.
Cartridge Box is the last step.

Trump unofficially had 73 millions votes. if only 1% said enough and rose up, that's 73,000 Patriots... The US Army only has around 66,000 in the Infantry. You start going up percentage points and we start having more armed Patriots than some nations have in their entire military.
There are a bunch of pissed off Patriots right now and that number is growing everyday. Beverly Hills is a prime example. For months leading up to the election, Trump supporters rallied on the weekend in one of the parks there and they had a huge crowd. Singing, dancing, waving flags and all races and sexual preferences having a good time. Fast forward to the week after the election, suddenly Riot police start showing up and declare an unlawful assembly and threaten arrest if they don't disperse. They made them leave at 6pm this past weekend. It's been a repeating pattern these past few weeks and a lot of people in that crowd are getting angry. It's sad because you see all manners of flags supporting the police and then suddenly they are being targeted by the very people they support. All those guns and ammo that were purchased this year were not bought to turn around and sell them to the government, they were bought to preserve their way of life. I know I spent quite a bit this year in gear and ammo and if the shooting starts, I will be stepping off the porch. I always said if shit is going to go South, do it while I'm still young enough to fight.


Small point: 1% of 73 million is 730,000, not 73,000.

A bit different.

;)
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Soap Box was the first step, that's come and gone.
Ballot Box is step 2 and it's done. We're just waiting for the dust to settle.
Cartridge Box is the last step.


Right now we are exploring the limitations of the Jury Box ... should that fail there is only one left.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Bayou Renaissance Man: Angelo Codevilla hits the nail on the head yet again

Angelo Codevilla hits the nail on the head yet again


We've met Prof. Angelo Codevilla in these pages on several occasions. He's one of the few commenters on American society and politics whom I trust absolutely. His track record of analytical honesty and accuracy is impeccable.

He's just hit another one out of the park, analyzing what the 2020 election has revealed about our society - and who rules (or intends to rule) us. It builds on several of his previous articles.
By its campaign and conduct of the 2020 election, the ruling class ceased pretending to be part of a constitutional republic. By treating fellow Americans as inferiors through word and deed, its members renounced their common citizenship with us. Eschewing persuasion, they set about compelling obedience to an openly manipulated election.
Thus did they burn their bridges to the rest of America as surely as did Hernán Cortéz when he burned the ships that had carried his troops to conquer the Aztec empire. Henceforth, they must rule or ruin as the oligarchy they have become.
. . .
Arguably the American country class’ principal mistake between 2016 and 2020 was to suppose that the Left was actually after Trump, rather than set about crushing them and killing the American regime.
When those at the top of American communications’ food chain, the folks at the New York Times, said openly that they would put truth aside during the noble fight against Trumpism, when the news industry shamelessly purveyed obviously incredible stories about Trump’s alleged Russia collusion; when they shamelessly purveyed obviously unsourced rumor as truth; when they seconded officials’ using classified information as a shield and sword against conservatives; when corporations and even government agencies began to require that employees attend brainwashing sessions; when communications companies—especially Google, Facebook, and Twitter—began mathematically to discriminate against conservative communications; when the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives’ proposed legislation would have mandated voting by mail and ballot harvesting—severing the link between any ballot and the voter’s will or even existence—conservatives imagined that this was mere hardball politics within a republican context. Not so.
. . .
And then Election Night. As predicted, election officials in places controlled by the Left stopped counting until it was clear how many ballots it would take for Trump to be defeated. The requisite number came, filled out by no one knows who. And then . . . who wouldn’t have predicted it? The call came from all of society’s commanding heights: Trump’s defeat had been declared. By whom? By the folks on these varied heights—certainly not by the authorities designated by the Constitution to decide who wins and loses.
But the more instances of fraud the Trump campaign sought to investigate, the louder and from more sources sounded the judgment that there was nothing to investigate. It had been decided. You peons shut up and obey.

That is how oligarchies work.
What may be done about this is another story. But the story’s premise is that it must begin with the realization that the conservative more-or-less half of American life is living under an alien regime that means to continue harming us socially and morally just as much as economically. Plainly, we find ourselves in a (mostly not yet violent) state of war. The beginning of such safety as we may work out for ourselves is to regard our rulers as they regard us.
There's more at the link. Please read Prof. Codevilla's article in full. It's eye-opening . . . and, I fear, all too accurate.

Those who still insist that no electoral fraud took place in 2020 are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Peter

Posted by Peter at 11/23/2020 09:05:00 AM
 
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