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US CDC deploys eight "community protection field teams" for coronavirus mitigation
From CNN’s Nick Valencia and Sara Murray



The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) headquarters is pictured in Atlanta, Georgia, on March 14. Elijah Nouvelage/Bloomberg/Getty Images

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has deployed eight “community protection field teams,” a federal official involved in the day-to-day coronavirus response told CNN.

The teams are part of an initiative to work directly with state and local health departments to keep coronavirus cases contained where transmission rates are low.

The official declined to offer the locations of where the teams were deployed, but CNN was told by a second federal health official briefed on the details that “at least one of the CDC teams was deployed to Wyoming.”

“They have not had a lot of cases. You want to make sure it stays that way,” the senior federal health official told CNN when asked about Wyoming.

“You work closely with them to make sure their public health capacity is working. Find cases, interrupt clusters, and do containment as opposed to mitigation. If containment is achieved, you don’t have to have broader heavy duty mitigation restrictions,” the official said.

The eight teams are part of the CDC’s Health Department Support team -- one of “at least two dozen” task forces established as part of CDC’s coronavirus response, an official said. The teams were deployed separately over the last two weeks to states across the country “that have a low number of coronavirus cases,” according to the two federal health officials.

The goal for the teams is to “develop and employ strategies to try to prevent widespread transmission in those states,” an official said.

“The eight task force teams deployed will work directly with state and local health departments to support epidemiologists and provide lab support to help them track the epidemic in their state. To give them the help they need and the data that they need.”

The CDC community protection field teams will conduct testing and contact tracing “to try and help those states remain at low levels of transmission,” the official said when asked about the scientific metrics. The teams will investigate the state health care systems to see “their abilities to manage patients,” the official added.

The CDC often deploys teams to major public health emergencies both in the United States and abroad.

In 2016 the CDC’s Global Rapid Response Team sent health, communications and logistics experts to 90 public health crises in the US and around the world, including outbreaks of Ebola, polio, yellow fever and cholera.

The teams can deploy on short notice and can remain in the field for months to stop health threats or to prevent health threats from developing.

Within the last “several weeks,” other CDC teams have been sent to states to assist health departments with their prisons and homeless populations, while others are conducting household transmission studies, a federal official told CNN.

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Eight is a very small number. “At least two dozen” is an odd descriptor in relation to task forces.
Declining to identify locations is telling, except I'm not reading the tell.

From what I learned about the CDC in 2009 - I tend to classify them in the same category as the WHO, the CCP, the MSM, Dr. Fauc, and Nacy P..

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marsh said:

Trump power limited in coronavirus pandemic by Constitution

Americans have been getting a serious civics lesson over the past month as they turn to Washington for answers to the coronavirus crisis — only to find out their state governors have far more control over what goes on in their daily lives.

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Coronavirus pandemic lays bare the limits of the president


President Donald Trump speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House, Sunday, April 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Sunday, April 5, 2020

Americans have been getting a serious civics lesson over the past month as they turn to Washington for answers to the coronavirus crisis — only to find out their state governors have far more control over what goes on in their daily lives.

State and local authorities are the ones making decisions about shutting down businesses and allocating medical equipment to hospitals.

It’s the system the country’s founders designed, though it seems anachronistic to many while a deadly disease pushes past all national and state boundaries.

“In our federal system, the federal government exists to support the actions of state and local governments,” said Thomas A. Birkland, an associate dean at North Carolina State University. “The federal government doesn’t run the fire department. The local governments run the fire department.”

In most cases, that also means the chief executive — a governor or, in some cases, a mayor — is wielding the power.

Congress has been reduced to the role of banker.

Capitol Hill fought over the size and scope of a $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package. Once lawmakers approved it, they retreated to their homes and left the Washington stage to President Trump.

The president is cloaking himself in the trappings of power with daily trips to the lectern in the White House briefing room, making pronouncements and fielding questions.

But one former White House official pointed out that most of what the president says about COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, is conjecture or suggestions for behavior. He can’t compel governors or even citizens to act.

One exception where the president does have power is the military — thus the deployment of Navy hospital ships to COVID-19 hot spots. He also is doling out the largesse that Congress has appropriated and stiffening security to prevent incoming flights and to return illegal border crossers quickly.

Mr. Trump has said he is pondering broader travel restrictions inside the U.S., but Ilya Somin, a law professor at George Mason University, said there is debate about whether he has the power to order such a move.

“If he did try to do that, it would be complicated,” Mr. Somin said.

Not all governors are happy with the situation that has fallen on their shoulders.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, told “Fox News Sunday” that a single national strategy could end the epidemic faster.

The federal system also leaves governors bidding with one another for scarce medical equipment from the private sector.

At the White House, reporters have been indignant that Mr. Trump hasn’t stepped in to force a national policy.

“We have a thing called the Constitution,” the president reminded them Saturday as he defended governors who haven’t issued shutdown orders. “I want the governors to be running things.”

Governors are indeed running things, and they have produced wildly different policies.

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo, a Democrat, told state troopers to stop out-of-state vehicles and order occupants to self-quarantine if they plan to remain in the state.

More than a dozen other states have requested quarantine periods for out-of-state visitors, with varying degrees of compulsion.

Even within states, authorities are experimenting.

Dare County in North Carolina, home to some of the most popular Outer Banks resorts, has declared a full ban on any outsiders entering. That includes vacation home owners who don’t reside in the county permanently, officials said.

Despite that, Dare reported its fifth COVID-19 case Saturday in a population of about 37,000.

On the other side of the ledger, nine states don’t have stay-at-home orders for residents.

Mr. Birkland at North Carolina State University said that’s federalism at work.
“Every state is going to have a different set of needs and a different take on what their situation is,” he said. “And then every governor is probably going to have a different calculus about what the risks and benefits of certain actions are going to be.”

Even with the freedom to choose different paths, governors are under intense pressure to adopt the same rules as everyone else. Most of them are complying, figuring there is wisdom — and perhaps political safety — in numbers.

What remains to be seen is whether the crisis prompts a rethink of the federal structure or other aspects of power.

“I’m for more decentralization rather than less, but I honestly don’t know what the optimal level of centralization is on this issue,” Mr. Somin told The Washington Times.

He said allowing states to set their own policies means one mistake won’t affect the whole nation. That’s true for governors but also true for Mr. Trump, he said. The worse the president performs, the less people should want power to be concentrated in the White House.

But a pandemic also tests the usual strictures of federalism because one state’s lax controls can end up leading to spread of infections in neighboring states.
Mr. Somin said that’s known as an “externality,” which the divided federal system may not be prepared to accommodate.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, is asserting lawmakers’ rights of oversight. She has announced a special investigative committee to watch how the administration handles the COVID-19 outbreak and compared it to the Truman Committee, which investigated spending on the war effort while World War II was still raging.

“The panel will root out waste, fraud and abuse,” she said. “It will protect against price gouging and profiteering. It will press to ensure that the federal response is based on the best possible science and guided by the nation’s best health experts.”

Mr. Trump compared the investigative effort to Democrats’ recently failed attempt to oust him through impeachment.

“I want to remind everyone here in our nation’s capital, especially in Congress, that this is not the time for politics, endless partisan investigations,” he said. “It’s not any time for witch hunts. It’s time to get this enemy defeated.”

Mr. Birkland, though, said oversight is exactly the role Congress can fill, including an after-action report on coordination between the federal government and the states to see where they cooperated, where they clashed and what might be changed to deal with future crises.

Mr. Somin said governments tend to impose emergency measures during a crisis and then keep those powers.

“We should be more aware than some people seem to be of the dangers that can rise from that if the emergency powers are not rolled back after the emergency is over,” he said.

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LIncoln had no limits! Someone better apologize to the thousands that fought and died in the civil war. The South took 75 years to recover. After that war, we were told the states were not sovereign. Mysteriously, the blue commie states have been allowed to rule as sovereign with an iron fist and our countries borders are now meaningless.

I am Southern, I have skin in the game and YES, the states were sovereign and should have stayed that way when the country was still populated by a God fearing people who loved freedom. The new bunch of communist indoctrinated and anchor baby traitors should not be allowed to to be sovereign states.

They have free america on her knees right now. This country was made free for free men and would remain so as long as the population was an upright and moral people, that ship has sailed!

Somebody said post this before they change the headline - ah cripe, blah blah blah........


Senate at stalemate over more COVID-19 aid after Republicans and Democrats block competing proposals
By Clare Foran, Lauren Fox and Manu Raju, CNN

Updated 11:33 AM ET, Thu April 9, 2020

Washington (CNN)The Senate is at an impasse over approving additional COVID-19 aid after Republicans and Democrats blocked competing proposals on Thursday, creating uncertainty over whether and when there will be bipartisan agreement to approve further relief measures amid the ongoing crisis.

Democrats blocked an effort by Senate Republicans to approve by unanimous consent an increase in funding for a small business loan program set up to deliver relief amid the coronavirus crisis, citing demands for additional funding for hospitals and state and local governments. And Republicans blocked an alternative proposal put forward by Democrats, arguing that it is urgent to approve the increase in funding for the program immediately and that other issues can be addressed later.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who offered up the GOP proposal, said on the Senate floor, "we need more funding and we need it fast," adding, "I want to add more money to the only part of our bipartisan bill that could run out of money."
"My colleagues must not treat working Americans like political hostages," McConnell said, "We must not fail them."

Maryland Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen said that Democrats recognize that more money is needed for the program, but argued that further action is needed beyond just boosting the funding. "All of these requests are urgent," the senator said, adding that he believes they could be dealt with on "a bipartisan basis."

"Let's get it done and let's get it done right," he said, asking that the Senate pass an amended version of the bill that would include the Democratic demands. McConnell voiced an objection, however, blocking the request, while Democrats blocked the majority leader's initial request to pass a clean funding increase.

After launching the program less than a week ago, the Treasury Department asked Congress on Tuesday for another $250 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program, a federally-backed loan program intended to help business owners keep their enterprises afloat amid the global pandemic. The rollout has been far from smooth, and with so many applications coming in, Treasury is asking for more money now in an effort to assure business owners waiting in line that the money will be there.

But Senate Democrats -- who unanimously backed the program when it passed last month -- argue any legislation to increase funding for Small Business Administration loans must include other provisions as well, including money for hospitals on the frontlines of combating coronavirus and $150 billion in funding for states and local governments. Democrats have also asked that half of the money for SBA -- $125 billion -- be steered to community lenders to ensure underserved communities are getting loans.

Negotiators from both parties are now expected to discuss how to proceed as congressional leaders have said they would most likely want to pass any legislation without requiring the majority of lawmakers to return to Washington, meaning both sides would likely need to be in agreement about the process before proceeding.

McConnell, leaving the Senate floor, said he expected more talks with Democratic leaders now that the chamber is at an impasse over how to provide money for small businesses.

"Clearly with everyone out of town, with the President saying he's not prepared to sign additional legislation, what we were trying to do was get a result," he said. "There will be additional discussion."

Asked if he would have to give into what the Democrats are asking for, namely money for state and local governments and hospitals, McConnell said, "No one is necessarily against additional assistance ... much of the rest of the money has not gone out yet. It's hard to measure the effect it's had and the additional need. This is the one program that was running out of money, needed assistance now and all my proposed amendment would do at the request of the administration was simply change one number."

McConnell didn't answer a question about how quickly he thought a deal could be reached.

Sen. Ben Cardin, also a Maryland Democrat in the chamber Thursday, told reporters that he believes a bipartisan deal could be reached quickly on the small business aspect of the package. But he said a negotiation would have to occur between the top four leaders of Congress: McConnell, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

"I think at this level .. you have to have a total buy-in by Majority Leader McConnell, Leader Pelosi and Leader McCarthy," Cardin said.

Lawmakers are back in their home states on recess as the pandemic sweeps across the country and, as a result, any effort to greenlight additional funding for the loan program would need to take place by unanimous consent, which can be blocked if any senator objects, or by a voice vote, which would not require all members to be present.

In one indication of continued disagreement between Senate Republicans and Democrats, Sen. Marco Rubio, a GOP senator from Florida and the chairman of the Small Business Committee, issued a statement rejecting the idea of guaranteeing money would go to specific lenders.

For Democrats, there's pressure to back the Small Business Administration program that, despite a rough start, has seen widespread participation. In a call with Republicans, Mnuchin touted that $90 billion in loan applications had been approved and another $100 billion was being processed.

But Democrats are not the only ones with concerns. Republicans and Democrats alike have voiced frustrations with the program's glitches including the fact that many lenders were waiting days to get final guidance on how to disburse the loans. On Monday, the portal lenders use to upload loan application information to the SBA crashed. And several members have reported frustrations from small business owners who struggled to find a lender willing to offer them a loan if they were not already an existing customer.

"If you don't fix what is fundamentally wrong with the program, throwing more money after bad is not going to help small businesses," Rep. Stephanie Murphy, a moderate Democrat from Florida, told CNN about frustrations she's been hearing from constituents. "We have to try to make the changes be a condition of handing over another quarter of a trillion dollars."

If the Senate is able to pass an increase in funding, the measure would next need to go to the Democrat-controlled House.
Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, indicated on Wednesday that he would oppose any attempt to pass new funding for small business loans through the House by unanimous consent or voice vote, a threat that follows his previous objection to quick passage of a $2 trillion stimulus deal and that could complicate any efforts to move a funding increase through the House -- even if a bipartisan deal is reached.

This story has been updated with additional developments Thursday.

Senate at stalemate over more COVID-19 aid after Republicans and Democrats block competing proposals

The Senate is at an impasse over approving additional COVID-19 aid after Republicans and Democrats blocked competing proposals on Thursday, creating uncertainty over whether and when there will be bipartisan agreement to approve further relief measures amid the ongoing crisis.

www.cnn.com

TorahTips said:

For a newbie you jumped right in!!!! I can't disagree with a single word you said. To add to your statement, however, I don't know that we can even fight this is we do recognize it as a bioweapon. All we can hope is that the creators have a kill switch built into it that will shut it off in the future. I personally believe that nano-technology was used as well as CRSPR and AI. You won't beat that combination.

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Agree and agree. Was reading on mutation and seems like this virus did not mutate according to model predictions. Author pointed out that mutations often weaken the impact of the virus once the original genetic blueprint is corrupted. Oh, they are so clever. Might the HIV component also make the vaccine harder since it tweeks the same immune system that generates the antibodies from the vaccine.

Wonder if they are armed...............yet?

marsh said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYH6R2nkEHM
3:09 min
Italy’s coronavirus death toll is likely underreported
•Apr 7, 2020

CBS This Morning
Italy reported nearly 3,600 new coronavirus cases Monday, the smallest day-to-day increase in almost three weeks. The country has reported more than 132,000 total coronavirus cases and more than 16,000 deaths, but that's likely an underestimate. Chris Livesay reports on why some COVID-19 deaths likely weren’t counted.

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No matter how they do it, once a census is taken, we will know the truth. Not from China mind you, but from Italy for sure.

Kennori said:

We can debate and pontificate all day but until the PTB admit to themselves that this "flu" is actually a diabolically purposely fiendishly cleverly designed bioweapon then there can be no normal. It has characteristics of 4 different organisms, carefully spliced into a genetic code that recreates itself at the expense of the organism it infects, it hides stealthily for weeks creating asymptomatic carriers, attacks different parts of the body for multiphase destruction, and is persistent, armored against vaccination, mutates in the field eliminating timely countermeasures, and re-infects the recovered who had the immune system integrity to fight it off the first time. MERS, SARS, HIV, and Malaria all rolled onto one lethal package. You can't fight or win a war when you can't see the invisible combatants, you take the enemy's word about his intentions, and you put blinders on and ignore the reality of your situation. This is a bioweapon and we are under attack.

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This map and the following table show total cases in Mississippi as of 6 p.m. April 8, 2020, and include all reported cases since March 11, 2020.

• New cases reported today: 257
• New deaths reported today: 9

Zagdid said:

Author pointed out that mutations often weaken the impact of the virus once the original genetic blueprint is corrupted.

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Mutations can weaken or strengthen the impact. Mutations are random. Whether the weaker or stronger are selected for depends on the population the virus is moving through. Typically, a dense population favors stronger impact, and sparse populations favor weaker impact.

marsh said:

I meant proprophylactically in the sense of early stages to prevent the stage where o2 saturation declines and things go bad. From many stories, that is a rapid deterioration that occurs within hours. I don't believe the treatment is effective after one has reached the point of a ventilator. They may have to dispense it when they are triaging and people are being sent home to continue to monitor their o2 - perhaps with supplemental oxygen. Germany seems to have great success by getting people to come in at an earlier stage, sending them home and having a paramedic check on them once or twice daily.

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And at least according to one report I read, by assuring that any other possible cause of death is recorded... :/

Countrymouse said:

Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

If I knew how to make contact with said farmers, I'd take several boxes in a NY minute! I am SO craving fresh veggies, but don't dare go to the store....

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I bought supplies to grow micro greens. Between that and sprouts, hopefully that will hold me over until I find success with gardening.

I forgot to add that I ordered a book from amazon about foraging. Looking at the authors website, I identified several plants on my property already. I’m excited to go scout out more!

Countrymouse said:

If I knew how to make contact with said farmers, I'd take several boxes in a NY minute! I am SO craving fresh veggies, but don't dare go to the store....

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Check out "community supported agriculture". Many farmers grow and sell retail. We have one about a mile from our house who supplies restaurants and sells retail. He can't sell to the restaurants now, so he's expanded hours. It's open-air, lots of room, people stay separated. We've bought from him for years.

I'm so irritated with the way Indiana is reporting on this pandemic that I can barely stand it. I don't believe for one minute that it's all about protecting the patients.

Hamilton County, IN has had quite an increase in deaths with no explanation. Here's what the HCHD had to say:

Posted on: April 6, 2020
Hamilton County Health Department is Dedicated to Protecting Patient Privacy
COVID19 - Coronavirus Information
Board of Directors Will Not Release City-by-City Data
(NOBLESVILLE, APRIL 6, 2020)

The Hamilton County Health Department’s Board of Directors has decided not to release city-by-city data of patients who test positive to the COVID-19 virus.

“We understand the public’s desire to know how our cities and towns are faring in the war against this virus,” says County Health Officer Dr. Charles Harris. “But we must adhere to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If we don’t, we could incur hefty fines for each and every infraction.”

HIPAA provides data privacy and security provisions for safeguarding personal health information. After discussing patient privacy with the Indiana State Department of Health and the State’s Office of Public Affairs, the Hamilton County Health Department’s Board of Directors has decided to keep identifiable information to a minimum.

“You may see larger, more congested cities around America releasing city-by-city data, but we simply cannot do that here,” Dr. Harris explains. “Imagine for example, if we were to announce a COVID-19 related death in Arcadia and that was followed by an obituary in Arcadia the following day. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who had been infected.”

The Health Department does share a county-wide heat-map displaying positive COVID-19 cases with police, EMS, and firefighters from each of the cities and towns during a daily meeting with Emergency Management.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Tammy Sander
Phone: (317) 517-9520
Email: tammy.sander@hamiltoncounty.com


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Hamilton Co, Tennessee, OTOH, has this very informative site that tells a lot without giving patient info:
It has case status, sex demographics, race demographics ethnicity age demographics, a graph and a heat map.

Heliobas Disciple said:

Two-thirds of Chinese infections in past week had no symptoms

Of the 885 infections reported between March 31 and April 7, 601 people showed no visible signs, National Health Commission says.

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Coronavirus: 68 per cent of cases confirmed in China in past eight days had no symptoms
Kinling Lo
Published: 5:11pm, 8 Apr, 2020 | Updated: 11:55pm, 8 Apr, 2020

• Of the 885 infections reported between March 31 and April 7, 601 people showed no visible signs, National Health Commission says
• But scientists say data set is too small to draw any conclusions about how Covid-19 spreads

More than two-thirds of the Covid-19 cases reported in mainland China in the eight days until Tuesday were people who showed no symptoms of the disease, according to new figures released by the National Health Commission (NHC).

While the ratio might appear high, the small data set meant it was too early to make any conclusions, according to Leo Poon Lit-man, head of the public health laboratory sciences division at the University of Hong Kong.

“We don’t know what these figures mean without having the same data [on asymptomatic patients] for the past three months,” he said.

“But what we do know, is that these asymptomatic patients could be pre-symptomatic and infectious despite not displaying symptoms.

“Therefore the virus is still being transmitted inside the country … and these patients should be treated in isolation and put under close observation.”

The NHC only began releasing the number of symptom-free cases last Wednesday, starting with figures for March 31 in a move it said was necessary to “address public concerns”.

Of the 885 cases reported in the eight-day period, 601, or 68 per cent, were asymptomatic, the NHC said. Of the 601, almost half – 279 – were reported in Hubei, the central China province at the heart of the initial coronavirus epidemic when it began at the end of last year.

Since the beginning of the outbreak in China, the total number of confirmed cases – all symptomatic – across the country was 82,000 as of Wednesday, with more than 3,300 deaths.

A total of 199 new cases were reported in mainland China on Tuesday, of which 137 were asymptomatic. Of those, 107 were imported cases, while 59 of the 62 symptomatic cases were also imported.

Poon said that widespread serological testing was necessary to determine the true proportion of asymptomatic patients. These tests look for antibodies in the blood, which usually develop within three to four weeks after infection.

Whether to include asymptomatic cases in official numbers has been a moot point around the world. South Korea counts everyone who tests positive for the virus in its national total, while the United States and Britain include only those who show symptoms of Covid-19.

According to a report published by a team from the World Health Organisation after visiting China at the end of February, the proportion of asymptomatic infections was only about 1 to 3 per cent of cases.

However, Dr Robert Redfield, director of the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, said last week that as many as 25 per cent of infected people were asymptomatic.

Similarly, in Hong Kong, of the 936 cases reported as of Tuesday, 155, or more than 16 per cent, were symptom-free, the city’s Centre for Health Protection said.

Benjamin Cowling, head of the epidemiology and biostatistics division at the University of Hong Kong, said the centre’s figures were about what he expected.

“In a large group of say 100 infections, it would be very unlikely to have fewer than 10 or more than 30 asymptomatic cases based on our current understanding of the characteristics of Covid-19 infections,” he said.

A report published on Friday by Chen Shen and Yaneer Bar-Yam from the New England Complex Systems Institute in Massachusetts, said it was important to calculate the proportions of asymptomatic cases within different groups, such as imported cases, those that have had close contact with people in quarantine, and the general public as a whole.

Based on the data available, they said “many of the current reported asymptomatic cases from overseas are pre-symptomatic”.

“[This] makes sense due to the presence of long-term asymptomatic cases that continue to test positive, remaining as a residual from the larger number of cases in China,” the report said.

Professor Yang Jiong, from the pulmonary and critical care medicine division at the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University, warned about the risk posed by “silent carriers” with the lifting of the lockdown on Wuhan.

In an interview with Health Times, a newspaper under the Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily, on Monday, he said there were probably between 10,000 and 20,000 asymptomatic cases in the city.

“Although right now it seems that asymptomatic cases have relatively low infectivity, they are contagious after all, and [we] should still be on guard,” he said.

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May be true, but at this point if China said the sun was rising in the east, I'd want two independent observers to confirm. :/

Mixin, you/ we have talked about this ! It’s very annoying!

It’s very high in my county and I want to know what cities are full of cases!!

MinnesotaSmith said:

You don't own a garden hose or BB gun?

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well, if I come outside, they take off towards the neighbors house - they like my yard because they can catch moles, mice and chipmunks that hang around my monkey grass and plants.

raven said:

Perhaps you did not realize that "social distancing" is an "economic" theory.
The goal of social distancing is not the cure of corona. Social distancing by design is to "manipulate supply and demand" for medical services. Look at their charts. They want to lower the crest of the curve to match available hospital services . . . and then keep it there . . . forever.

Social Distancing is Just in Time Supply Chain Management. It is economic theory.

Quarantine of the sick is science, it is medicine, and it is defined in law.

Which only proves that Economics is not Science . . . it is social manipulation.
Think about it . . . do you feel manipulated yet?

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No, I don't feel manipulated. We were voluntarily social distancing long before it became a "thing".
Only an idiot would like to "rub shoulders" with a person carrying an illness that could kill them or family members...

Not counting health care workers who signed up to do that kind of job. Much credit given to them.

Mixin, you know who o think is behind this Hamilton county thing??? I’d bet you fifty bucks it’s our darling Carmel!

We wouldn’t want for one minute to think Carmel has the most cases, now would we?!

Kennori said:

We can debate and pontificate all day but until the PTB admit to themselves that this "flu" is actually a diabolically purposely fiendishly cleverly designed bioweapon then there can be no normal. It has characteristics of 4 different organisms, carefully spliced into a genetic code that recreates itself at the expense of the organism it infects, it hides stealthily for weeks creating asymptomatic carriers, attacks different parts of the body for multiphase destruction, and is persistent, armored against vaccination, mutates in the field eliminating timely countermeasures, and re-infects the recovered who had the immune system integrity to fight it off the first time. MERS, SARS, HIV, and Malaria all rolled onto one lethal package. You can't fight or win a war when you can't see the invisible combatants, you take the enemy's word about his intentions, and you put blinders on and ignore the reality of your situation. This is a bioweapon and we are under attack.

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Extremely well put, Kennori. Thank-You. God Bless You and Yours...

OA

Ractivist said:

Wonder if they are armed...............yet?

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Whom?

Mixin said:

Coronavirus claims an unexpected victim: Florida vegetables
by TAMARA LUSH Associated PressWednesday, April 8th 2020

PALMETTO, Fla. (AP) — Mounds of harvested zucchini and yellow squash ripened and then rotted in the hot Florida sun. Juicy tomatoes were left to wither — unpicked — in farmers' fields.

Thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because farmers can't sell to restaurants, theme parks or schools nationwide that have closed because of the coronavirus.

Other states are having the same issues — agriculture officials say leafy greens in California are being hit especially hard, and dairy farmers in Vermont and Wisconsin say they have had to dump a surplus of milk intended for restaurants.

With most of its harvests in the winter months, the problem is acute in Florida. For example, a few dozen people clamored to buy 25-pound (11- kilogram) boxes of Roma tomatoes direct from a packing plant over the weekend in Palmetto, a city on the western coast.

The cost per box? Just $5.

"This is a catastrophe," said tomato grower Tony DiMare, who owns farms in south Florida and the Tampa Bay area. "We haven't even started to calculate it. It's going to be in the millions of dollars. Losses mount every day."

Florida leads the U.S. in harvesting tomatoes, green beans, cabbage and peppers this time of year. While some of the crops are meant for grocery stores, many farmers cater solely to the so-called food service market — restaurants, schools and theme parks — hit hard as cities and states have ordered people to stay home and avoid others.

The loss has created a domino effect through the farming industry, Florida's second-largest economic driver. It yields $155 billion in revenue and supports about 2 million jobs.

Many growers have donated produce to food banks, but there's a limit on what the charities can accept and storage is an issue for perishable fruits and vegetables. DiMare said some central Florida food banks are full after theme parks shuttered and donated massive amounts of produce.

"We gave 400,000 pounds of tomatoes to our local food banks," DiMare said. "A million more pounds will have to be donated if we can get the food banks to take it."
Farmers are scrambling to sell to grocery stores, but it's not easy. Large chains already have contracts with farmers who grow for retail — many from outside the U.S.

"We can't even give our product away, and we're allowing imports to come in here," DiMare said.

He said 80 percent of the tomatoes grown in Florida are meant for now-shuttered restaurants and theme parks.

In the past week, 20 federal lawmakers from Florida and state Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried sent letters urging U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue to include Florida farmers in federal food purchase and distribution programs so the surplus crops can help feed the hungry and food insecure. Some 37 million Americans struggled with hunger before the pandemic, according to Feeding America, a nationwide network food banks.

The federal coronavirus relief act contains $9.5 billion in aid to farmers.

Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

Wholesalers in London who usually sell fruit and vegetables to restaurants have pivoted to home deliveries. But large-scale farmers know selling harvest baskets won't do much for their bottom line.

On the U.S. West Coast, farmers who grow lettuce and other leafy greens are feeling the pinch.

"The tail end of the winter vegetable season in Yuma, Arizona, was devastating for farmers who rely on food service buyers," said Cory Lunde, spokesman for Western Growers, a group representing family farmers in California, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico. "And now, as the production shifts back to Salinas, California, there are many farmers who have crops in the ground that will be left unharvested," particularly leafy greens.

He said a spike in demand for produce at the beginning of the outbreak has now subsided.

"People are staying home and not visiting the grocery stores as often," Lunde said. "So the dominoes are continuing to fall."

In southern Florida, Paul Allen, president of R.C. Hatton Farms, took a video last week of row after row of vibrant green beans that were scheduled to be shipped to the restaurant industry.

"You can see this is a huge field of green beans," he said, lifting his cellphone camera to show a tractor plowing all the healthy plants and their beans into the soil.

Allen, who farms about 12,000 acres (4,900 hectares) in Florida and Georgia, is praying that things improve by the time crops in north Florida and Georgia are ready to be harvested over the next two months.

"You just hope you can live another day," Allen said.

Coronavirus claims an unexpected victim: Florida vegetables

PALMETTO, Fla. (AP) — Mounds of harvested zucchini and yellow squash ripened and then rotted in the hot Florida sun. Juicy tomatoes were left to wither — unpicked — in farmers' fields. Thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because...

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Of course, that food was FEEDING people, it wasn't "extra". Now it won't even make it to the grocery stores, how many meals restaurants served, is how many meals there won't be for people shortly....

Those who haven't stocked up, are going to get very hungry. Food can't be replaced that fast.
Best to grow what you need, have some chickens, rabbits for meat. Or start helping someone who does, for a "food share".
And arm up.

its getting nutty, or maybe the zombies are starting to hatch. must be city folk.

Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment



The howling you heard last night? It wasn’t coyotes. Communities across CO have started howling at 8 p.m. each night to connect with one another while staying home, and show solidarity for health care workers and first responders during the pandemic. http://ow.ly/QlSq50z9pdt

jazzy said:

its getting nutty, or maybe the zombies are starting to hatch. must be city folk.

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The howling you heard last night? It wasn’t coyotes. Communities across CO have started howling at 8 p.m. each night to connect with one another while staying home, and show solidarity for health care workers and first responders during the pandemic. http://ow.ly/QlSq50z9pdt

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Must be driving the dogs crazy.

bbbuddy said:

Of course, that food was FEEDING people, it wasn't "extra". Now it won't even make it to the grocery stores, how many meals restaurants served, is how many meals there won't be for people shortly....

Those who haven't stocked up, are going to get very hungry. Food can't be replaced that fast.
Best to grow what you need, have some chickens, rabbits for meat. Or start helping someone who does, for a "food share".
And arm up.

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Yeah I agree. If the food was consumed before, it is still needed now. Yet as others have pointed out, if the system was set up to move the food to place x for purpose y, it will be difficult to change that route in time to save the food that is ready now. In 6 months, sure different answer, but by then the food is rotten.

Dr. Niman on selective pressure, Italian versus Original, West Coast East Coast, Tiger in NYC has Italian version. Moscow exhibiting recombination of Italian and Iranian. Herald wave (where we are now), and WWV II.

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11:44 to 24:30 There may be more info after that, but TDS is so strong with Rense, it's way difficult to wade through the noise for the signal. Bad, Bad s/n Ratio.


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Second record-breaking death toll in New York

New York broke its record for the largest single-day coronavirus death toll for the third consecutive day, the state’s governor Andrew Cuomo announced at his daily briefing.

New York recorded 799 deaths from coronavirus yesterday, bringing the state’s total death toll to 7,067. New York has lost about the same number of people to coronavirus as the UK.

Cuomo said the state would be bringing in additional funeral directors to help deal with the surge of deaths.

As the state mourns the loss of several thousand New Yorkers, there are also signs that social distancing is flattening the curve.

Yesterday, the state recorded the lowest number of new hospitalisations since the crisis started. The number of ICU admissions and intubations are also down.

“We are saving lives by what we are doing today,” Cuomo said.
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psychgirl said:

Mixin, you know who o think is behind this Hamilton county thing??? I’d bet you fifty bucks it’s our darling Carmel!

We wouldn’t want for one minute to think Carmel has the most cases, now would we?!

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lol.. that did cross my mind. Do you have a newspaper in Hamilton County? We did have a small newspaper in Hendricks but it went out of business last year. Now, all we have is a bi-monthly but it's barely worth looking at. I thought Plainfield was just the nicest no-crime town until the LE used Broadcastify for a few weeks. We even had a robbery at Zales in the middle of a Sunday afternoon.

France death toll rises to more than 12,000

France has said the total death toll in hospitals and nursing homes has risen to 12,210, from 10,869 on Wednesday, Reuters is reporting.

The number of confirmed cases in hospitals has increased to 86,334 today from 82,048 on Wednesday, while 30,767 are in hospital with the virus.


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#BREAKING


- Dozens of members of the ruling Saudi royal family, as many as 150, including at least one high-ranking royal, have been infected with the coronavirus in recent weeks.



Coronavirus widespread among Saudi royal family: Report
At least one high-ranking royal, as well as dozens of lower-level officials, have COVID-19, The New York Times reports.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson is OUT of intensive care & has been moved back to a regular ward for his continued recovery. Excellent news.

Blacknarwhal said:

I keep wondering, what is with the lag? Some of these coronavirus cases seem like people have just "had it" for weeks, with neither recovery nor death. What aren't we being told?

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Well some part of the lag is undoubtedly the normal ills associated with any large bureaucracy. On a good day, for a small population, that is a chit show. Now we have a novel situation, everyone jockeying for political positioning, national standards trying to be introduced to local operations etc ad naseum. Some one some where once said something like:
Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by human stupidity & inefficiency. I find that sound advice that is exemplified (along with the peter principle!) every time I deal with any level of govt ; )

Blacknarwhal said:

I keep wondering, what is with the lag? Some of these coronavirus cases seem like people have just "had it" for weeks, with neither recovery nor death. What aren't we being told?

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That the test kits are a crap shoot with false negatives everywhere. It all depends on the quality and handling of the sample.

Intestinal Fortitude said:

- Dozens of members of the ruling Saudi royal family, as many as 150, including at least one high-ranking royal, have been infected with the coronavirus in recent weeks.

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They still think like 7th century. They don't know what germs are. They lick contaminated surfaces.

Heliobas Disciple said:

Two-thirds of Chinese infections in past week had no symptoms

Of the 885 infections reported between March 31 and April 7, 601 people showed no visible signs, National Health Commission says.

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Tristan said:

May be true, but at this point if China said the sun was rising in the east, I'd want two independent observers to confirm. :/

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Had a patient show up in the ED complaining of abdominal pain. Patient was suspected to have had lesions develop after a surgical procedure about eight weeks ago. It has now become common practice to test all patients for Covid-19 if they are being admitted to the hospital, no matter what the symptoms. Even an impacted tooth, if admitted, will be tested in order to send them to the 'correct' unit and limit spread in the hospital.

The patient with abdominal pain had ZERO signs and symptoms of Covid-19 was found to be positive for the virus. There ARE asymptomatic carriers everywhere.

So I wonder why we are not hearing what's happening in the prisons. ? I would guess that things are pretty bad.

I'm trying not to think (because thoughts are things) "it couldn't happen to, or hit, a nicer group of people..." but it's hard. for real. Ditto the Saudi ruling family....
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The White House will administer rapid #coronavirus tests to members of the press corps attending Thursday's daily briefing after a journalist in the building on Tuesday started experiencing symptoms of the virus.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1248325614857326592

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So I wonder why we are not hearing what's happening in the prisons. ? I would guess that things are pretty bad.

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I posted a tweet this morn from a prison in NO. Washington- all the prisoners were outside, sitting in their soccer fields, in masks.... :: shruggin :: we do see the random report, but nothing that is addressing them all, afik.

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According to the exclusive report that Iran International has received, in #Iran's Supreme National Security Council session, it was reported that almost 18000 people have died of #coronavirus and over 4000 are in critical condition.