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Curve Ball: The Worst-Case COVID-19 Scenario Was Just Dramatically Cut by Modelers
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BY VICTORIA TAFT APRIL 7, 2020

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"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle has just revised down its COVID-19 worst-case scenarios for the country.
One of the projected next hotspots, California, is projected to need only half the ICU beds, ventilators and critical hospital equipment than originally predicted because there will be many fewer COVID-19 cases, according to IMHE. All of the state's supplies are on hand, according to the survey.


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IMHE has revised down the number of expected COVID-19 deaths from 6,100 to 1,783 in California.
The state's peak for the worst number of deaths originally was expected to be at the end of April; now it appears it will be mid-April.


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IMHE says its constantly updated data now show fewer hospitalizations and deaths not only in California but across the country. And that's a reflection of the social distancing in effect throughout the country.

"In our latest update, we now estimate fewer total deaths (81,766) from COVID-19. On April 2, we had estimated a total of 93,531 total COVID-19 deaths, a difference of 11,765."


KTLA reports the projected number of deaths has taken a dramatic downturn.


Nationwide, the institute’s number of estimated fatalities in the U.S. dipped slightly in the past week, from 82,141 to 81,766. The range is 49,431 to 136,401; last week it was between 39,174 to 141,995.

While the modeling has been updated daily since being published, the latest numbers reveal a somewhat dramatic shift from just six days ago — the reflection of “a massive infusion of new data,” Dr. Christopher Murray, the institute’s director, said in a news release.
“As we obtain more data and more precise data, the forecasts we at IHME created have become more accurate,” Murray said.
Across the U.S., there will also be less of a need for hospital and ICU beds to deal with the outbreak than earlier figures showed, according to the institute. But there will still be an estimated shortage of roughly 36,654 hospital beds, including 16,323 ICU beds.

The nation's peak of deaths from COVID-19 is expected on April 16th with a projected 3,130 deaths.
The effort everyone has made to socially distance to flatten the curve is working. We'll see if the economic devastation the country has suffered in service to this has been worth it or a historical curveball."
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Looks like the U.S. crushing its economy was a VERY expensive failure; Brazil and Sweden did not lockdown, and are no worse off WRT Coronavirus than we are:

 

marsh

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There need to be some detectives looking into the supply chain for the very reason you point out!

There was a tweet above that the Swedish Govt. had stopped the use of HCQ due to severe headaches...

HCQ has known side effects, but are these outside the norm? Where were these medications sourced? Are they being prescribed at significantly different dosages? Bad batches?
I think I read that the dosage being used in the US is much less. The cardiac issues, Trump said, were from the accompanying erythromycin.
 

marsh

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More indication that early treatment is better; waiting until the patient is critical is not as helpful.

Help them avoid becoming critical.
It concerns me that Trump was stating that they didn't want to use the treatment on mild cases. To me, that means that they will not prescribe it prophylactically, early in the illness, but later in the disease process.
 

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Doomer Doug

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Brown held a press conference to deal with the testing crisis. Oregon is doing 1,000 tests a day period. Brown said she ordered 20,000 tests, but ended up with 10,000 only and blamed it all on the company.
 

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Tristan

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It concerns me that Trump was stating that they didn't want to use the treatment on mild cases. To me, that means that they will not prescribe it prophylactically, early in the illness, but later in the disease process.


I think that prophylactically is before there is any indication of infection. Prophylactic treatment would be for those exposed and at high risk, such as Doctors and Nurses. If they've already tested positive, they've got the virus, and depending on many other factors should be considered for treatment; that is, if we hope to keep people out of Intensive care and off Vents. I don't really care what the treatment is, just something that has proven to reduce the likelihood that a patient will end up in dire straits.

Unfortunately, one of the factors is availability. There might be an issue there, depending on the number of cases.

But there are indications that many mild cases exist, and if they are progressing well and not in a identified risk group, in the event of scarcity of medications it would seem reasonable to let them heal on their own, monitoring of course for any change which would require intervention.
 
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Walmart, Costco, Target are barred from selling 'nonessential' items such as clothing and electronics in parts of the US
Mary Hanbury
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Shoppers wearing masks and gloves at Walmart. Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images
  • Big-box stores and grocery chains in certain areas of the US are being barred from selling nonessential items to customers to reduce foot traffic and prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
  • Certain local governments have directed stores to empty areas with nonessential items such as clothing and electronics or rope off these items from customers.
  • Some shoppers have applauded the new restrictions and encouraged other local governments to implement them.
Local governments around the US are taking more draconian measures to prevent the spread of the coronavirus by barring "essential" stores such as grocery chains or big-box retailers from selling "nonessential" items such as clothing and electronics.

These stores, which have been allowed to stay open during state lockdowns because they sell groceries or offer pharmacy services, for example, are now required in some parts of the US to remove nonessential items or rope off areas of the store so customers can't access these products.

Vermont is among those clamping down on this. At the end of March, the state's Agency of Commerce and Community Development directed essential big-box stores including Walmart, Costco, and Target to stop selling nonessential items not listed in the governor's executive order outlining essential services.

"Large 'big box' retailers generate significant shopping traffic by virtue of their size and the variety of goods offered in a single location," Lindsay Kurrle, the secretary of the agency, said in a statement at the time.

She added: "This volume of shopping traffic significantly increases the risk of further spread of this dangerous virus to Vermonters and the viability of Vermont's health care system. We are directing these stores to put public health first and help us reduce the number of shoppers."

Customers can shop for these nonessential items using online delivery services or curbside pickup, Kurrle said.
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The Board of Commissioners in Howard County, Indiana, enforced a similar rule earlier in March, preventing businesses in the area that were deemed essential from selling nonessential items.

The board said it had received complaints from businesses that were forced to close because they sold mostly nonessential items saying it was unfair for other stores to continue selling these products.

Retail workers in the area also complained that customers were congregating in stores and browsing nonessential goods because they were "bored at home," thus filling up the aisles and putting workers at greater risk, the board said.
There have been reports elsewhere of other counties putting similar rules into play. While some people said they disliked the new restrictions, others applauded the change and encouraged other local governments to do the same.
 
Coronavirus in New York came mainly from Europe, studies show.
New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that it was brought to the region mainly by travelers from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place. On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China — the site of the virus’s first known outbreak — during the previous two weeks.

Viruses invade a cell and take over its molecular machinery, causing it to make new viruses. An international guild of viral historians ferrets out the history of outbreaks by poring over clues embedded in the genetic material of viruses taken from thousands of patients.

In January, a team of Chinese and Australian researchers published the first genome of the new virus. Since then, researchers around the world have sequenced over 3,000 more. Some are genetically identical to each other, while others carry distinctive mutations.

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Wow, the lengths they'll go.

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could be Asians traveling THROUGH Europe
 

Johnny Reb

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New Mexico will break 1000 positives tomorrow with at least 2 nursing homes, 2 Pueblo tribes, and two different Navajo Nation areas going hot. New models from LANL and Sandia Labs for NM specific suggest peak starting April 21, Exceeding ICU capacity by April 24, and peak saturation through May 25th. Gonna be a tough Spring with our limited hospital resources.
 
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Coronavirus claims an unexpected victim: Florida vegetables
by TAMARA LUSH Associated PressWednesday, April 8th 2020

PALMETTO, Fla. (AP) — Mounds of harvested zucchini and yellow squash ripened and then rotted in the hot Florida sun. Juicy tomatoes were left to wither — unpicked — in farmers' fields.

Thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because farmers can't sell to restaurants, theme parks or schools nationwide that have closed because of the coronavirus.

Other states are having the same issues — agriculture officials say leafy greens in California are being hit especially hard, and dairy farmers in Vermont and Wisconsin say they have had to dump a surplus of milk intended for restaurants.

With most of its harvests in the winter months, the problem is acute in Florida. For example, a few dozen people clamored to buy 25-pound (11- kilogram) boxes of Roma tomatoes direct from a packing plant over the weekend in Palmetto, a city on the western coast.

The cost per box? Just $5.

"This is a catastrophe," said tomato grower Tony DiMare, who owns farms in south Florida and the Tampa Bay area. "We haven't even started to calculate it. It's going to be in the millions of dollars. Losses mount every day."

Florida leads the U.S. in harvesting tomatoes, green beans, cabbage and peppers this time of year. While some of the crops are meant for grocery stores, many farmers cater solely to the so-called food service market — restaurants, schools and theme parks — hit hard as cities and states have ordered people to stay home and avoid others.

The loss has created a domino effect through the farming industry, Florida's second-largest economic driver. It yields $155 billion in revenue and supports about 2 million jobs.

Many growers have donated produce to food banks, but there's a limit on what the charities can accept and storage is an issue for perishable fruits and vegetables. DiMare said some central Florida food banks are full after theme parks shuttered and donated massive amounts of produce.

"We gave 400,000 pounds of tomatoes to our local food banks," DiMare said. "A million more pounds will have to be donated if we can get the food banks to take it."
Farmers are scrambling to sell to grocery stores, but it's not easy. Large chains already have contracts with farmers who grow for retail — many from outside the U.S.

"We can't even give our product away, and we're allowing imports to come in here," DiMare said.

He said 80 percent of the tomatoes grown in Florida are meant for now-shuttered restaurants and theme parks.

In the past week, 20 federal lawmakers from Florida and state Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried sent letters urging U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue to include Florida farmers in federal food purchase and distribution programs so the surplus crops can help feed the hungry and food insecure. Some 37 million Americans struggled with hunger before the pandemic, according to Feeding America, a nationwide network food banks.

The federal coronavirus relief act contains $9.5 billion in aid to farmers.

Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

Wholesalers in London who usually sell fruit and vegetables to restaurants have pivoted to home deliveries. But large-scale farmers know selling harvest baskets won't do much for their bottom line.

On the U.S. West Coast, farmers who grow lettuce and other leafy greens are feeling the pinch.

"The tail end of the winter vegetable season in Yuma, Arizona, was devastating for farmers who rely on food service buyers," said Cory Lunde, spokesman for Western Growers, a group representing family farmers in California, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico. "And now, as the production shifts back to Salinas, California, there are many farmers who have crops in the ground that will be left unharvested," particularly leafy greens.

He said a spike in demand for produce at the beginning of the outbreak has now subsided.

"People are staying home and not visiting the grocery stores as often," Lunde said. "So the dominoes are continuing to fall."

In southern Florida, Paul Allen, president of R.C. Hatton Farms, took a video last week of row after row of vibrant green beans that were scheduled to be shipped to the restaurant industry.

"You can see this is a huge field of green beans," he said, lifting his cellphone camera to show a tractor plowing all the healthy plants and their beans into the soil.

Allen, who farms about 12,000 acres (4,900 hectares) in Florida and Georgia, is praying that things improve by the time crops in north Florida and Georgia are ready to be harvested over the next two months.

"You just hope you can live another day," Allen said.



Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

If I knew how to make contact with said farmers, I'd take several boxes in a NY minute! I am SO craving fresh veggies, but don't dare go to the store....
 

marsh

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New study investigates California's possible herd immunity to COVID-19

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Updated: 12:17 PM PDT Apr 8, 2020

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MONTEREY, Calif. —
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
The team tested 3,200 people at three Bay Area locations on Saturday using an antibody test for COVID-19 and expect to release results in the coming weeks. The data could help to prove COVID-19 arrived undetected in California much earlier than previously thought.

The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.

As of Tuesday, the state had 374 reported COVID-19 fatalities in a state of 40 million people, compared to New York which has seen 14 times as many fatalities and has a population half that of California. Social distancing could be playing a role but New York's stay-at-home order went into effect on March 22, three days after California implemented its order.

"Something is going on that we haven't quite found out yet," said Victor Davis Hanson a senior fellow with Stanford's Hoover Institute.

Hanson said he thinks it is possible COVID-19 has been spreading among Californians since the fall when doctors reported an early flu season in the state. During that same time, California was welcoming as many as 8,000 Chinese nationals daily into our airports. Some of those visitors even arriving on direct flights from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China.

"When you add it all up it would be naïve to think that California did not have some exposure," said Hanson.

For years California has been the No. 1 travel destination for Chinese tourists in the United States. Even after the U.S. halted flights from China this winter Chinese travelers were still able to come to California on flights from Europe and Canada.

Hanson said through all of this the Chinese have been disingenuous about the timing of the initial outbreak of COVID-19.

"They originally said it was in early January, then it got backdated to December and then early December and now they are saying as early as November 17," said Hanson.

If Californians were exposed earlier than the rest of the country to COVID-19 we may have had a chance to build up some herd immunity to the disease. We won't know if that is the case until results from the Stanford Medicine study come back.

On Friday and Saturday, the study's co-lead Eran Bendavid coordinated testing at sites in San Jose, Los Gatos and Mountain View. The teams used an antibody test from the company Premier Biotech. Technicians use a finger prick to draw blood for the test and it can tell within minutes if a person developed antibodies to COVID-19.

The same brand test is being offered at a lab in Monterey and healthcare workers there are closely watching the study. Spenser Smith with ARCpoint Labs is aware of the theory that COVID-19 arrived here as early as the fall and that some people may have had the virus unknowingly.

"Knowing the levels as to which that happened would be great and one of the tools you can use is this test," said Smith

ARCpoint Labs started offering the antibody test in Monterey last week and has since tested 500 people. Smith said ARC has had some positive results for COVID-19 and is reporting all results to Monterey County's Public Health Department.

Hanson said the testing could help us as we start the recovery process. He does not advocate lifting social distancing rules right now but said testing could help get some people back to work.

"It is going to allow us to get back to normal much more quickly because there will be many more people than we think that have anti-bodies," he said.
Positive results in recovered folks could get nurses and caregivers back on the front lines of the pandemic as well as dishwashers and small business owners who keep our economy going.

The results of the study could also help us all to feel less scared of COVID-19. Limited testing has resulted in an artificially high death rate. The more people we can test who have mild symptoms, who are asymptomatic or who have recovered the less-lethal COVID-19 will seem.
 

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Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

If I knew how to make contact with said farmers, I'd take several boxes in a NY minute! I am SO craving fresh veggies, but don't dare go to the store....

I wouldn't take them if they paid me.

Every day I walk by my lettuce bed and my mouth waters.
 

marsh

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New Mexico will break 1000 positives tomorrow with at least 2 nursing homes, 2 Pueblo tribes, and two different Navajo Nation areas going hot. New models from LANL and Sandia Labs for NM specific suggest peak starting April 21, Exceeding ICU capacity by April 24, and peak saturation through May 25th. Gonna be a tough Spring with our limited rural resources and already this central resources.
The Calif. tribal members I know and used to represent on the county level have a high incidence of diabetes. (I don't know about hypertension, but my tribes have almost annual exposure to heavy smoke from wildfires.) I was wondering if there were indications that native Americans, from the navaho experience, were particularly prone to the disease like blacks seem to be.
 

jward

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Some farmers have tried to branch out and sell produce boxes directly to customers, an approach taken in many places as the pandemic slams the restaurant and catering industries worldwide.

If I knew how to make contact with said farmers, I'd take several boxes in a NY minute! I am SO craving fresh veggies, but don't dare go to the store....
search for CSAs (community supported agriculture) in your area and you may still be able to get a share.
 

marsh

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Anthony Fauci sets stage for mandatory -- lucrative! -- vaccine
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, listens during a briefing about the coronavirus in the James Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House, Tuesday, April 7, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon) more >

By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times - Wednesday, April 8, 2020

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

Anthony Fauci, America’s most-listened-to medical professional on the coronavirus, and apparently on all the political, economic, cultural and social precautions every man, woman and child in the nation should take on the coronavirus, has just warned what cooler-head coronavirus watchers have suspected all along: that this country may never, no never, go back to normal.

Never, that is, Fauci suggested, until a vaccine is developed. And by logical extension, that’s to say — never, until a vaccine is developed that must then be included on the required list of shots for all children to attend school.
What great news for Big Pharma.
What great news for Bill Gates who just announced his foundation is going to spend billions of dollars to help build factories for seven possible coronavirus vaccine makers. “Spend” is probably the wrong word here. Invest is more like it.
After all, Gates, first and foremost, is a businessman. A billionaire businessman who made his billions in Microsoft and who just left his billion-dollar Microsoft enterprise to pursue other matters — specifically, to “serve humanity,” is how the Economic Times put it, in a March headline.
For a taste of how he’s already served humanity, one need only look to the disastrous Common Core one-size-fits-all, top-down education plan that his foundation bankrolled.

From education to vaccinations — the service to humanity never ends.
But this is what Fauci just warned, at a White House briefing with reporters: “When we get back to normal, we will go back to the point where we can function as a society. But … f you want to get back to pre-coronavirus, that might not ever happen in the sense that the threat is there. But I believe that with the therapies that will be coming online, and the fact that I feel confident that over a period of time we will get a good vaccine, that we will never have to get back to where we are right now.”

He also said this: “If back to normal means acting like there never was a coronavirus problem, I don’t think that’s going to happen until we do have a situation where you can completely protect the population.”

This — as the dire, dark, deathly numbers that sent America into coronavirus panic in the first place were just revised downward.

“America’s most influential coronavirus model just revised its estimates downward,” The Washington Post reported.

This — as Gates, the guy who has been the face of warning about the “nightmare scenario” of the coronavirus outbreak, just said the predicted death toll may not be as high as, well, predicted. Yes, viruses are, after all, seasonal.
This — as deaths due to the coronavirus are wildly open to interpretation, wildly speculative, wildly unscientific.

“The lack of widespread, systematic testing in most countries is the main source of discrepancies in death rates internationally,” BBC reported.

What do doctors consider a coronavirus death?

In the United Kingdom, health officials give daily counts of deaths of those who tested positive for the coronavirus, but who might have actually died from other medical conditions. In the United States, doctor discretion reigns.

“In the US,” BBC reported, “doctors … are asked to record whether the patient dies ‘as a result of this illness’ when reporting Covid-19 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

So some patients may have underlying conditions that lead to death; others may not. Some hospitals may have policies that mandate the U.K. model — to chalk up any patient who died with the coronavirus to be reported to the CDC as a coronavirus fatality; other hospitals may let the doctor determine. It’s a toss-up, hardly fact-based.

And for all this, America may never see a return to pre-coronavirus normalcy?
We’re focused on fear.
We should be focused on this: the money trail.
The money and power trail.
The Global Vaccine Action Plan, for instance.

“The World Health Organization, UNICEF, the National institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have announced a collaboration to increase coordination across the international vaccine community and create a Global Vaccine Action Plan,” the Gates Foundation reported in a press release. “The collaboration follows the January 2010 call by Bill ad Melinda Gates for the next ten years to be the Decade of Vaccines.”
The “Decade of Vaccines?”

It’s a structured campaign. It includes a Leadership Council, a Steering Committee, an International Advisory Committee — and other bureaucratic so forths and so ons. But here’s an interesting link.

The Leadership Council “is comprised of … Dr. Anthony S. Fauci,” the Gates Foundation reported.

Fauci, the same guy who just set the stage for the dire need for a protective coronavirus vaccine, has a vested interest in seeing this vaccine come to fruition — come to widely administered fruition.

“Vaccines are miracles,” said Pedro Alonso, the director for the Institute for Global Health of Barcelona, and another stakeholder in the “Decade of Vaccines” program.

Yes.

And for certain folk, certain insider folk, vaccines are also great economic and political investments. Especially when they come as saving grace solutions to wildly spread fears — especially when they come as required, mandated protections for global populations.
 

jward

passin' thru
The Calif. tribal members I know and used to represent on the county level have a high incidence of diabetes. (I don't know about hypertension, but my tribes have almost annual exposure to heavy smoke from wildfires.) I was wondering if there were indications that native Americans, from the navaho experience, were particularly prone to the disease like blacks seem to be.

The dot, not feather, are apparently more susceptible. One hears that native americans may have genetic tendency to insulin resistance, but I think they tend to view the lifestyle and behavioral elements as more key.
 

marsh

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Coronavirus pandemic lays bare the limits of the president

President Donald Trump speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House, Sunday, April 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
President Donald Trump speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House, Sunday, April 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Sunday, April 5, 2020

Americans have been getting a serious civics lesson over the past month as they turn to Washington for answers to the coronavirus crisis — only to find out their state governors have far more control over what goes on in their daily lives.

State and local authorities are the ones making decisions about shutting down businesses and allocating medical equipment to hospitals.

It’s the system the country’s founders designed, though it seems anachronistic to many while a deadly disease pushes past all national and state boundaries.

“In our federal system, the federal government exists to support the actions of state and local governments,” said Thomas A. Birkland, an associate dean at North Carolina State University. “The federal government doesn’t run the fire department. The local governments run the fire department.”

In most cases, that also means the chief executive — a governor or, in some cases, a mayor — is wielding the power.

Congress has been reduced to the role of banker.

Capitol Hill fought over the size and scope of a $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package. Once lawmakers approved it, they retreated to their homes and left the Washington stage to President Trump.

The president is cloaking himself in the trappings of power with daily trips to the lectern in the White House briefing room, making pronouncements and fielding questions.

But one former White House official pointed out that most of what the president says about COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, is conjecture or suggestions for behavior. He can’t compel governors or even citizens to act.

One exception where the president does have power is the military — thus the deployment of Navy hospital ships to COVID-19 hot spots. He also is doling out the largesse that Congress has appropriated and stiffening security to prevent incoming flights and to return illegal border crossers quickly.

Mr. Trump has said he is pondering broader travel restrictions inside the U.S., but Ilya Somin, a law professor at George Mason University, said there is debate about whether he has the power to order such a move.

“If he did try to do that, it would be complicated,” Mr. Somin said.

Not all governors are happy with the situation that has fallen on their shoulders.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, told “Fox News Sunday” that a single national strategy could end the epidemic faster.

The federal system also leaves governors bidding with one another for scarce medical equipment from the private sector.

At the White House, reporters have been indignant that Mr. Trump hasn’t stepped in to force a national policy.

“We have a thing called the Constitution,” the president reminded them Saturday as he defended governors who haven’t issued shutdown orders. “I want the governors to be running things.”

Governors are indeed running things, and they have produced wildly different policies.

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo, a Democrat, told state troopers to stop out-of-state vehicles and order occupants to self-quarantine if they plan to remain in the state.

More than a dozen other states have requested quarantine periods for out-of-state visitors, with varying degrees of compulsion.

Even within states, authorities are experimenting.

Dare County in North Carolina, home to some of the most popular Outer Banks resorts, has declared a full ban on any outsiders entering. That includes vacation home owners who don’t reside in the county permanently, officials said.

Despite that, Dare reported its fifth COVID-19 case Saturday in a population of about 37,000.

On the other side of the ledger, nine states don’t have stay-at-home orders for residents.

Mr. Birkland at North Carolina State University said that’s federalism at work.
“Every state is going to have a different set of needs and a different take on what their situation is,” he said. “And then every governor is probably going to have a different calculus about what the risks and benefits of certain actions are going to be.”

Even with the freedom to choose different paths, governors are under intense pressure to adopt the same rules as everyone else. Most of them are complying, figuring there is wisdom — and perhaps political safety — in numbers.

What remains to be seen is whether the crisis prompts a rethink of the federal structure or other aspects of power.

“I’m for more decentralization rather than less, but I honestly don’t know what the optimal level of centralization is on this issue,” Mr. Somin told The Washington Times.

He said allowing states to set their own policies means one mistake won’t affect the whole nation. That’s true for governors but also true for Mr. Trump, he said. The worse the president performs, the less people should want power to be concentrated in the White House.

But a pandemic also tests the usual strictures of federalism because one state’s lax controls can end up leading to spread of infections in neighboring states.
Mr. Somin said that’s known as an “externality,” which the divided federal system may not be prepared to accommodate.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, is asserting lawmakers’ rights of oversight. She has announced a special investigative committee to watch how the administration handles the COVID-19 outbreak and compared it to the Truman Committee, which investigated spending on the war effort while World War II was still raging.

“The panel will root out waste, fraud and abuse,” she said. “It will protect against price gouging and profiteering. It will press to ensure that the federal response is based on the best possible science and guided by the nation’s best health experts.”

Mr. Trump compared the investigative effort to Democrats’ recently failed attempt to oust him through impeachment.

“I want to remind everyone here in our nation’s capital, especially in Congress, that this is not the time for politics, endless partisan investigations,” he said. “It’s not any time for witch hunts. It’s time to get this enemy defeated.”

Mr. Birkland, though, said oversight is exactly the role Congress can fill, including an after-action report on coordination between the federal government and the states to see where they cooperated, where they clashed and what might be changed to deal with future crises.

Mr. Somin said governments tend to impose emergency measures during a crisis and then keep those powers.

“We should be more aware than some people seem to be of the dangers that can rise from that if the emergency powers are not rolled back after the emergency is over,” he said.
 

marsh

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Immigrants Self-Deporting from U.S. to Avoid Possible Coronavirus Infection

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Foreign nationals held in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody are self-deporting from the United States to avoid potential infection with the Chinese coronavirus.

While federal judges are helping release convicted illegal alien and legal immigrant criminals from ICE detention amid claims that they could potentially contract the coronavirus, some ICE detainees are self-deporting back to their native countries.

Recent cases detailed by USA Today found two ICE detainees getting ready to leave the U.S. to avoid potential coronavirus infection:
Ricky Williamson, 31, a detainee at Mesa Verde, said he told a judge in immigration court last week that he was dropping his case to remain in the U.S. because he would rather be deported to his native United Kingdom then wait for the virus to start circulating through the detention center. While the U.K. is going through its own coronavirus outbreak, he said he would prefer the freedom to wear gloves and a mask than stay inside an ICE facility. [Emphasis added]

Martin Alvarez Garcia, 28, made a similar decision last week. He has had a cough and sore throat for more than two weeks, he said, but doctors at the facility have denied his request for a COVID-19 test because he doesn’t have a fever. So last week, he waived his right to appeal his deportation order. [Emphasis added]
“I would honestly rather sign and go back to my country then risk myself getting infected,” he said. “I don’t feel safe anywhere in Mexico, but I have no choice.” [Emphasis added]
In the case of six illegal aliens and legal immigrants who were released in California by a federal judge, a handful of them have repeatedly petitioned immigration courts to drop their deportation orders and have been repeatedly denied.

This week, a Massachusettes federal judge announced he would be likely ordering the release of multiple ICE detainees from custody every day. The ICE detainees must be either civil immigration violators or have only a “nonviolent criminal” record to be eligible for release.

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus has asked for all 40,000 ICE detainees — including those with violent crime convictions — to be released from federal custody to avoid possible infection of the coronavirus.

John Binder is a reporter for Breitbart News. Follow him on Twitter at @JxhnBinder.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
If the country is to be put back to work, this is what they are going to have to do. You note they are monitoring. I have no idea if the monitoring gives enough forewarning to get the guy off the line and back home before he infects somebody. I should hope so.

But if you are demanding purity, all you will get is the Big D. And you won't like happens after that.

Big D is coming... Putting infected asymptomatic spreaders back into the population makes EVERYTHING we have done up to this point moot. Ridiculous...
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
They must be forgetting to tell us the part where the person is quarantined for 14 days first and THEN they can go to work. The assumption being they were exposed, got the virus but was asymptomatic, waited 14 days so they’re not infectious any longer.

That would, at least, make more sense. The way it was written is madness...
 

jward

passin' thru
April 8 (GMT)
NOTE (USA): on April 8 we have added data for COVID-19 cases, deaths, recoveries and hospitalizations occurring among US Military personnel, as provided by the United States Department of Defense. This data is not currently included in the CDC count and was not previously included in our statistics but it will be from now on, as we have found a reliable source for it. The change retroactively affects dates from March 18 onward. The data will be shown under the label "US Military" on the US table
  • 31935 new cases and 1940 new deaths in the United States.

    New York:
    • Records the highest number of deaths per day to date
    • Governor Cuomo directs all NY flags flown at half-mast in honor of COVID-19 victims
    • Hospitalization rate is decreasing
    • Contrast is explained by the lagging period between hospitalization and death
    • The curve is flattening because of social distancing measures, said Cuomo
 

vestige

Deceased
Big D is coming... Putting infected asymptomatic spreaders back into the population makes EVERYTHING we have done up to this point moot. Ridiculous...

I agree 100%.

The nature of this covid critter is such that we will likely never be rid of it or optimistically... not rid of it in the next couple of decades.

It is a persistent bitch.

A big D looks inevitable.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Will America awaken from the COVID-19 crisis as a roaring giant or crying baby?

Illustration on America waking up in the coronavirus crisis by Alexander Hunter/The Washington Times more >

By Victor Davis Hanson - - Wednesday, April 8, 2020

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto commanded the Imperial Japanese Navy in World War II until he was killed in April 1943. Despite the dialogue from the 1970 WWII film “Tora! Tora! Tora!” Yamamoto probably did not say in the aftermath of the Pearl Harbor attack, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

But Yamamoto likely either wrote or said something similar: “I can run wild for six months … after that, I have no expectation of success.”

Yamamoto summed up a general feeling among the Japanese admirals that the huge industrial capacity of the United States — which had been asleep during the Great Depression — along with the righteous anger and frenzy of an aroused American democracy would ensure the destruction of the Japanese Empire in short order.

They were right.

In 1940, there were fewer than 500,000 service members in the U.S. military. At the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, that number had grown to nearly 2.2 million. By 1945, more than 12 million Americans were in the armed services. It was an astonishing mobilization for a nation of fewer than 140 million people.
The United States started the war with seven fleet aircraft carriers and one escort carrier. By war’s end, it was deploying 27 fleet and 72 escort carriers.
The U.S. Navy ended the war with a fleet eight times larger than it was at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The American armada would become larger in total tonnage that all the world’s fleets in 1945 combined.

More incredible, by the end of 1944, the American gross domestic product exceeded the economic output of all the major belligerents on both sides of World War II put together: The Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Japan, Italy and Germany.

As we struggle to defeat the coronavirus, an aroused America is talking grandly of restructuring the U.S. economy.

Politicians promise that major industries — pharmaceuticals, medical supplies, rare earths, military technologies — will return home to create millions of new jobs and better protect the population in times of crisis.

There are other vows to recalibrate our relationship with China to ensure that when the next successor to SARS and COVID-19 hits, American lives will not be jeopardized by the duplicity of the Chinese government. At the beginning of the outbreak, Beijing hid the origins, nature and transmissibility of the virus, then lied about its supposedly brilliant control of the epidemic.

The American public is already asking tough questions.

Does the United States really need almost 15,000 people flying in from China each day? At a time when American students owe $1.5 trillion in student loans, is it smart to have some 360,000 Chinese students enrolled in U.S. colleges? Is it safe to fund hundreds of labs on university campuses that conduct joint research with Chinese academics?

Does the United States really wish to curtail fracking, which has made it the largest producer of natural gas in the world and ensured that a quarantined America has plenty of fuel?

Is it prudent to release precious irrigation water out to the Pacific Ocean when California is the richest and most diverse producer of food in America?

Post-virus America can awake from this epidemic and economic shutdown in one of two different ways.

One, we can wake up as we did on Dec. 8, 1941, to ensure that Americans control their own fundamentals of life — food, fuel, medicine and strategic industries — without dependency on illiberal regimes. The military can refocus our defenses against nuclear missiles, cyberwarfare and biological weapons. On the home front, diversity is fine, but in a national crisis as serious as this one, the unity that arises from confidence in shared American citizenship saves lives.

Our other choice is to keep bickering and suffering amnesia, remaining as vulnerable as we were in the past.

We can scapegoat and play the blame game. We can talk not of an America in crisis, but of the virus’ effects on particular groups. We can decide that it is mean or even racist and xenophobic to hold the Chinese government accountable for its swath of viral destruction — and so we will not.

We can ridicule the idea of Americans again making their own things and call it protectionism or economic chauvinism. We can conduct endless congressional inquiries about who said what and when about the virus, and perhaps reopen impeachment.

Or we can have bipartisan commissions decide how best to return key industries to the United States, prepare for the next epidemic, and pay down the enormous debt we have incurred to defeat COVID-19.

In other words, the choice is ours whether America awakens as a roaring giant or a crying baby.

• Victor Davis Hanson, a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, is the author of “The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won” (Basic Books, 2017).
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
China's Xi warns of "new difficulties and challenges" amid rising risk of a second wave

Yeah... New challenges and difficulties... If you are worried about a second wave, the one thing YOU DON'T DO is allow thousands of potentially infected people in Wuhan to run free!

The more I am watching this, the more it appears to be a deliberate biowarfare strategy to bring Trump's economy, which was decimating China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia with sanctions, tariffs and energy independence, to heel.

This asshole did it on purpose!
 

vestige

Deceased
Yeah... New challenges and difficulties... If you are worried about a second wave, the one thing YOU DON'T DO is allow thousands of potentially infected people in Wuhan to run free!

The more I am watching this, the more it appears to be a deliberate biowarfare strategy to bring Trump's economy, which was decimating China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia with sanctions, tariffs and energy independence, to heel.

This asshole did it on purpose!


On purpose?

You know that means....

War.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Looks like the U.S. crushing its economy was a VERY expensive failure; Brazil and Sweden did not lockdown, and are no worse off WRT Coronavirus than we are:


Yet
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
100 American Airlines flight attendants test positive for coronavirus

April 8, 2020 at 11:55 AM EDT - Updated April 8 at 11:55 AM

(CNN) - At least 100 American Airlines flight attendants have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to their union.

The Association of Professional Flight Attendants says the airline has agreed to start providing face masks for frontline team members.

More than 27,000 union members will have the option of whether they choose to wear a mask.

The masks are planned to be distributed this week.

American Airlines refused to comment on how many employees had tested positive for COVID-19.

The union says only about one in four of its flight attendants will be flying in May, due to major cuts in the airline's schedule.
 
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