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OMG!!!! Look at my post about what our governor bitch is hiding. 58 new cases and FIVE NEW DEAD UP TO 38. Now you see why she won't test? If she gets 58 and out of that she gets 5 new dead, what would happen if she did 50,000 tests? Oregon is screwed Shane.

marsh said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkzT-_WR4nA
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Coronavirus: L.A. County officials provide updates on COVID-19 response
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KTLA 5
Update: With 29 new coronavirus-related deaths reported in L.A. County April 8, the jurisdiction saw its biggest daily jump since the start of the pandemic. Total cases have reached 7,530 and the death toll rose to 198.

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Does this include all the rats?

TorahTips said:

Northwestern Medicine in Chicago just healed a person using ECMO. Essetially, they pumped the person's blood out, pumped oxygen in, and put it back in. Some time back we had talked about the theory that a blood issue was primary and the lung issue was secondary due to the lack of oxygen. There ya go....

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This is a last ditch effort to keep someone alive. My niece was put on it a few years ago when she went south with the flu. Unfortunately it didn't work for her and she died at 43.

A cruise ship is being investigated for homicide!


NEWS
APRIL 8, 2020 / 8:10 PM / UPDATED 7 MINUTES AGO
Australian police take 'black box' off cruise ship in coronavirus homicide probe


4 MIN READ

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian police have spoken to the captain of a cruise ship which disembarked hundreds of passengers infected with the coronavirus in Sydney, as part of a homicide investigation into the country’s deadliest single source of infection.

The Ruby Princess owned by Carnival Corp has become a flashpoint of public anger in Australia after authorities granted the ship permission to disembark its passengers last month without health checks.

About 400 of the passengers later tested positive for the coronavirus and 15 have died, more than a third of Australia’s 51 deaths from COVID-19, prompting accusations the ship’s crew concealed the extent of sickness on board when they requested permission to disembark.
Investigators boarded the ship at a port south of Sydney, interviewed the captain and took electronic logs as evidence, New South Wales (NSW) state Police Commissioner Mick Fuller said.

“They spoke to the captain of the ship, who was extremely helpful,” Fuller said in a televised news conference on Thursday.

“Ships have a black box very similar to that of international planes, and that and other evidence has been seized for further investigation.”
About 1,000 crew of various nationalities remain on board the ship.

Cruise ships have been held responsible for about a fifth of Australia’s roughly 6,000 coronavirus cases. Globally, more than 1.5 million people have tested positive to the coronavirus, including about 87,000 deaths.

The investigation comes as Australia battles to keep the brakes on its rate of infection over the Easter holiday period, with the government imploring people to stay at home and cancel trips to traditional vacation spots this weekend.

The percentage growth of new cases in Australia has slowed to low single digits, from the 25% daily growth last month, but Canberra says tight restrictions on people’s movement could stay in place for at least six months.

The restrictions include a broad order for people to stay home except for essential work or to exercise and buy food, and police have said they will use the threat of on-the-spot fines to stop people travelling or socialising over the Easter long weekend from Friday to Monday.

“We can’t lift our foot off the pedal, we need to stay vigilant, make sure we clamp down on the community-to-community transmission,” NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian told reporters.
Australian media have reported that some state governments are considering loosening the restrictions which have forced many businesses in the hospitality, retail, transport and education sectors to shut.

But Berejiklian said the government would “rely on data in the next couple of weeks to give us a signal what we should be doing moving forward”.

Late on Wednesday, the federal government approved a package to subsidise the wages of six million people, or a quarter of the population, at a cost of A$130 billion ($81 billion).

Interactive graphic tracking global spread of coronavirus: open tmsnrt.rs/3aIRuz7 in an external browser.

Reporting by Byron Kaye; Editing by Stephen Coates
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

Pinecone said:

Ah, those were the days, Troke. (not)

I took a class in Fortran in the mid 70's. We were allotted only a small amount of funds at a time because invariably we would program ourselves into a loop. I was a frequent flyer at the TA's office to get more money put into my account. lol NOT my favorite class.

For those young enough to have missed the joy:
1. You stood in line to buy punch cards at the bookstore.
2. Then you stood in line waiting to use the punch card machine.
3. You made too many mistakes and ran out of punch cards before you ran out of program.
4. Back to standing in line for more punch cards at the bookstore.
5. Back to the line for the punch card machine.
6. Stand in line to get your punch cards read.
7. Wait until the mainframe worked its way through 57 other students, half of which had gone into loops.
8. Finally got your program. Yep. You had one mistake and got into a loop.
9. Repeat steps 2, 5, 6, and 7.
10. Rats! There's another mistake. Now you have to wait for the TA to show up to his office to get more funds put into your account.
11. Repeat step 1, because you are once again out of punch cards, then repeat steps 2, 5, 6, 7. It's now about 1 am. The lab closes at 2am. Class is at 8 am. Suddenly find religion as you wait for step 8. YES! It's 1:45 am and you finally got the stupid program right.
12. Vow to not wait until the last minute to write the damn program.
13. Next week. hahahaha Of course you waited until the last minute! Repeat steps 1 - 12.
14. Get a C in the course and vow to stay as far away from computers as possible!
Dealing with alligators, rattlers, moccasins, swamps, heat, humidity, lightening storms, etc. is much preferable.

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You forgot 1 step.
Put it all off for another day because some idiot(me) put a never ending loop in his batch just because he wanted/needed another day to complete his program.....


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Southside

Chicago Mayor Signs Executive Order Allowing Illegal Aliens to Participate in Coronavirus Relief Programs
April 8, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn



Lori Lightfoot, President of the Chicago Police Board and Chair of the Chicago Police Accountability Task Force, addresses inquiries during a news conference related to the findings of an investigation into the Chicago Police Department by the Department of Justice on Friday, Jan 13, 2017 in Chicago. (Santiago Covarrubias/Sun Times via AP)

Chicago Mayor Lori E. Lightfoot has become the latest politician to provide funds to illegal aliens. Most notably, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced last week that his state will make funds available to illegals as well.

Lightfoot’s office issued a press release on Tuesday notifying residents that she had signed an executive order “explicitly ensuring that all benefits, opportunities, and services provided or administered by the City of Chicago are accessible to all residents, regardless of birth country or current citizenship status.”

Lightfoot stated:

This order is more than just an official decree, it is a statement of our values as a city and as Americans. Since COVID-19 first reached our city’s doorstep, we have been working around the clock to ensure all our residents are secure and supported, including our immigrant and refugee communities, who are among the most vulnerable to the impact of this pandemic. Here in Chicago, saying ‘we are all in this together’ means that during this crisis, no one gets left out and no one gets left behind.

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“Not all of Chicago’s residents qualify for federal stimulus checks, state unemployment insurance or other economic assistance due to their documentation status. These Chicagoans are our family members, co-workers, neighbors and friends,” said 22nd Ward Alderman Michael D. Rodriguez.

Additionally, the city has implemented several programs that are available to all residents, including immigrants, which include Housing Assistance Grants, “online Enrichment Learning Resources through Chicago Public Schools” and a “$100 million Chicago Small Business Resiliency Fund.”

“Most individuals in our immigrant community labor in industries pummeled by the COVID-19 crisis, such as restaurants and hotels. Although many of these workers collectively pay billions of dollars in taxes, they are excluded from the federal aid package signed by Congress.” said 12th Ward Alderman George Cardenas.

No one is surprised by Lightfoot’s executive order. And in deep blue Chicago, I’m sure the majority of voters fully endorse her decision.

Lightfoot is a strong supporter of her city’s immigrant community and a determined defender of Chicago’s sanctuary city ordinance which “bars police from giving federal ICE officials access to people in local custody. Among other things, it also prohibits on-duty police officers from talking with ICE officials before a person’s release, or allowing ICE agents to use local police facilities for investigations or interviews.”

The mayor has frequently clashed with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. Last month, Lightfoot said, “If ICE is complaining, then they should do their job better. They’re critical because we have said very clearly we are a welcoming city, a sanctuary city. Chicago Police Department will not cooperate with ICE on any immigration-related business. And that’s affected their ability to conduct immigration raids across the city. But that’s exactly our intention.”

Could someone please explain the theory of there is no free lunch to Ms. Lighthead. I think she must have been absent the day that class was taught in grade school!

Gercarson said:

Was there EVER a definitive answer regarding the effectiveness of using an ozone generator and "the" virus?

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I would like to know, too, and hoping for someone who has experience with this who can provide guidance to come along.

I Googled the topic, but was unable to draw any really good fact-based conclusions. There are a number of variables, significantly including what the shell of the virus is made from.

A few articles that I found said that the outer shell of SARS-CoV-2 was assumed to be similar to SARS and MERS, and that commercial generators would sanitize well over 99% of those virii in a small room within 30 minutes, but this was from manufacturers.

In the end, I chose something that is arbitrary, but my 'best effort'. I am blowing the output of a 10g/Hr O3 unit through a 3 cu. ft., enclosed box with a small output window on the opposite side for 60 minutes. Objects are supported by a wire shelf to minimize hidden surfaces. This to sanitize my letter mail or small objects with smooth surfaces. I'm hoping that this is a couple orders of magnitude overkill, but, again, totally arbitrary (FWIW).

Suggestions welcome.

Listening to the President's Task Force, I noted Pres. Trump's comments that he will restart the economy when we are well on the downslope and this is over and behind us.

I don't understand why he thinks that it will be one and done. He is not a stupid man. Does he think that when the "30 days to stop the spread" is concluded, that the epidemic will be eradicated?

Then I heard Pence refer to "when the fall comes" the CDC will use its expanded Abbot testing capacity to quickly identify the infected, isolate and do contact tracing.

It looks like they think this will die out in the summer and then flare up again in the fall, but that the issue of "community spread" will be moot.

I don't know that I agree with these assumptions. It will be easier to manage if they are good and we can go back to a more normal economy with the resumption of a personal/ family risk exposure (and avoidance, minimization and mitigation responsibility) and not a general community one. I think it will be more of a continuous series of deescalating peaks and valleys as we keep having to step on the breaks as the case load and reinfections climb, are mitigated and then climb again until those who are not dead or recovered and chronically impaired, have immunity.

Tristan said:

Round numbers, the US is at 400k confirmed (acknowledged, tested) cases, and nearly 13k deaths. (we're certain to pass those numbers tonight or tomorrow)...

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I hate that map...you can see it, the spread....

Craziness

Ragnarok said:

WTF?!?!

That goes against everything they have put out...

You have been exposed to someone but you can go to work as long as you are asymptomatic???

Seriously... Who is in charge, here??? Does ANYONE have a clue what they are doing???

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If the country is to be put back to work, this is what they are going to have to do. You note they are monitoring. I have no idea if the monitoring gives enough forewarning to get the guy off the line and back home before he infects somebody. I should hope so.

But if you are demanding purity, all you will get is the Big D. And you won't like happens after that.

...search didn't pick this up as posted, hope it's not a dupe...
Cats can catch coronavirus, study finds, prompting WHO investigation

Saumya Joseph
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(Reuters) - Cats can become infected with the new coronavirus but dogs appear not to be vulnerable, according to a study published on Wednesday, prompting the WHO to say it will take a closer look at transmission of the virus between humans and pets.

FILE PHOTO: Home veterinarian Wendy Jane McCulloch examines 8-year-old cat Ivy at the closed Botanica Inc. office as she makes client home visits, which have additional safety protocols in recent weeks during the spread of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, in Manhattan, New York City, U.S., March 31, 2020. REUTERS/Caitlin Ochs
The study, published on the website of the journal Science, found that ferrets can also become infected with SARS-CoV-2, the scientific term for the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease.

Dogs, chickens, pigs and ducks are not likely to catch the virus, however, the researchers found.

The study was aimed at identifying which animals are vulnerable to the virus so they can be used to test experimental vaccines to fight the COVID-19 pandemic, which has killed more than 83,000 people worldwide since it emerged in China in December.

SARS-CoV-2 is believed to have spread from bats to humans. Except for a few reported infections in cats and dogs, there has not been strong evidence that pets can be carriers.

A tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York City who developed a dry cough and loss of appetite after contact with an infected zookeeper tested positive for the coronavirus on Sunday.

The study, based on research conducted in China in January and February, found cats and ferrets highly susceptible to the virus when researchers attempted to infect the animals by introducing viral particles via the nose.


They also found cats can infect each other via respiratory droplets. Infected cats had virus in the mouth, nose and small intestine. Kittens exposed to the virus had massive lesions in their lungs, nose and throat.

“Surveillance for SARS-CoV-2 in cats should be considered as an adjunct to elimination of COVID-19 in humans,” the authors wrote.

In ferrets, the virus was found in the upper respiratory tract but did not cause severe disease.

Antibody tests showed dogs were less likely to catch the virus, while inoculated pigs, chickens, and ducks were not found to have any strain of the virus.

“It’s both interesting and not terribly surprising in the sense that with the original SARS epidemic, civet cats were implicated as one of the vectors that may have transmitted virus to humans,” said Daniel Kuritzkes, head of infectious diseases at Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

“What these data do provide is support for the recommendation that people who are with COVID-19 should be distancing themselves, not only from other household members but also from their household pets, so as not to transmit the virus to their pets, particularly to cats or other felines,” he said.

The World Health Organization said on Wednesday it is working with its partners to look more closely at the role of pets in the health crisis.


Based on the evidence so far, WHO epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove told a news conference: “We don’t believe that they are playing a role in transmission but we think that they may be able to be infected from an infected person.”

The WHO’s top emergencies expert Mike Ryan asked people not to retaliate against animals over the outbreak.

“They’re beings in their own right and they deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. They are victims like the rest of us,” he said.

Reporting by Saumya Sibi Joseph in Bengaluru; Editing by Nancy Lapid and Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

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Southside said:

You forgot 1 step.
Put it all off for another day because some idiot(me) put a never ending loop in his batch just because he wanted/needed another day to complete his program.....


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Southside

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I got one continuous loop but I can assure you it was an accident. I don't remember much problem getting at the machine, I think only a few students were into it back in 1966 so we had easy access.

I still had the cards up to a few years ago.

223shootersc said:

Could someone please explain the theory of there is no free lunch to Ms. Lighthead. I think she must have been absent the day that class was taught in grade school!

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There IS free lunch as long as someone else's money holds up.

marsh said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEubPR36pzk
PREMIERING
Wait...You Can Get Reinfected With The Coronavirus??
•Premiere in progress. Started 16 minutes ago


Peak Prosperity
Learn how to start your own raised-bed garden from scratch while under coronavirus lockdown https://www.peakprosperity.com/diygarden

Back in February, we saw some early reports that some coronavirus patients in China may have become infected again after their initial recovery.

The data was scarce and we haven't had much to go on since then...until now.

More recent studies now indicate that a certain percentage (possibly a third?) of "recovered" patients have so few antibodies to covid-19 that they're able to get re-infected at a later date.

If indeed the case globally, this would dampen hopes by substantially retarding progress to herd immunity.

And increasing the public health risk, especially since the severity of the infection seems notably worse the second time around.

Don't despair yet, as there are material open questions regarding this new data that require further study. But it does reinforce the nefarious complexity of this honey badger of a virus.

In the meanwhile, keep up your self-protection efforts -- social distance, good hygiene, PPE, and get that garden going! https://www.peakprosperity.com/diygarden

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That was an interesting daily upload. Hope other bester and brighter than I - are paying attention. The presented data on antibodies, or the lack thereof present more questions than answers.

Although in this upload Dr. Martenson is not discussing another wave, unlike Dr. Niman, Wave II may be - the Honey Badger on meth.

ETA Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) - Something I pray we avoid!
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pauldingbabe said:

I hate that map...you can see it, the spread....

Craziness

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Not exact, but I bet the numbers will be up be at least 10% by tonight.

This Chicago jail has one of the largest coronavirus outbreaks in the US
From CNN’s Omar Jimenez

More than 400 coronavirus cases are linked to one jail in Chicago, local officials said, making the Cook County Jail the largest known source of infections in the US outside of medical facilities.

The Cook County Sheriff’s office said Wednesday that 251 detainees and 150 staff members have tested positive for the virus. Of the detainees infected in the outbreak, 22 are hospitalized for treatment and 31 others have been moved to a recovery facility.

One detainee has died of “apparent” complications of Covid-19, sheriff’s officials said, but an autopsy remains pending.
The jail has created a quarantine “bootcamp” to keep detainees that are infected separate from the rest of the jail population.

The jail complex currently houses about 4,700 detainees according to the sheriff’s office. Jail officials have previously said they planned to screen and release nonviolent pretrial defendants.

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Cats can become infected with the new coronavirus but dogs appear not to be vulnerable, according to a study published on Wednesday, prompting the WHO to say it will take a closer look at transmission of the virus between humans and pets, Reuters reports.



A cat – not infected with coronavirus. Photograph: Ed Jones/AFP via Getty Images

The study, published on the website of the journal Science, found that ferrets can also become infected with SARS-CoV-2, the scientific term for the virus that causes the Covid-19 disease.

Dogs, chickens, pigs and ducks are not likely to catch the virus, however, the researchers found.

The study was aimed at identifying which animals are vulnerable to the virus so they can be used to test experimental vaccines to fight the pandemic.

The study, based on research conducted in China in January and February, found cats and ferrets highly susceptible to the virus when researchers attempted to infect the animals by introducing viral particles via the nose.

They also found cats can infect each other via respiratory droplets. Infected cats had virus in the mouth, nose and small intestine. Kittens exposed to the virus had massive lesions in their lungs, nose and throat.

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Ragnarok said:

WTF?!?!

That goes against everything they have put out...

You have been exposed to someone but you can go to work as long as you are asymptomatic???

Seriously... Who is in charge, here??? Does ANYONE have a clue what they are doing???

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They must be forgetting to tell us the part where the person is quarantined for 14 days first and THEN they can go to work. The assumption being they were exposed, got the virus but was asymptomatic, waited 14 days so they’re not infectious any longer.

Not sure if this one has been posed, but shows the seriousness of .gov to make those that may have the virus to STAY AT HOME.

This may be related to being Kentucky.

Texican....
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STAY HOME
COOTER APRIL 7, 2020

If there was ever a time to practice what you preach when it comes to people waving their "Don't Tread On Me" flags, this would the time. That is if this goes any further.

A judge in Kentucky has ordered a man to stay home after he was determined to be a presumptive case for coronavirus. The man refused to stay home so the judge ordered that the man be forced to wear an ankle monitor so that he can be tracked and made sure that he stays at home and doesn't spread the virus.
According to CNN,

A judge has ordered one resident to stay at home after refusing to self-quarantine. CNN affiliate WDRB reports that the person, identified as D.L. in the court order, is living with "someone who has tested positive for the illness and another person who is a presumptive case," according to an affidavit from Dr. Sarah Moyer, director of the health department.

Having been exposed to the highly contagious disease, D.L. was ordered to stay at home last week. But according to family members, D.L. "leaves the house often."

When D.L. didn't respond to the health department's messages, Jefferson Circuit Court Judge Angela Bisig ordered the Department of Corrections to fit D.L. with a global positioning device for the next 14 days. If D.L. leaves the house again, he or she could be criminally charged, WDRB reports.

D.L. is not the only Louisville resident ordered to wear ankle monitors to contain the spread of the coronavirus. According to WDRB, there are three other known cases so far. Two other people who live in the same home — one who has tested positive, and the other who has not — were ordered to remain in their home last week after both refused to stay isolated.

China's Xi warns of "new difficulties and challenges" amid rising risk of a second wave

In this photo released by state-run Xinhua News Agency, Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers a speech at a symposium on poverty alleviation in Beijing on March 6. Ju Peng/Xinhua via Getty

Chinese President Xi Jinping has warned against the risk of a second wave of infections in the country as the global pandemic continues to spread, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

In a meeting of the Chinese Communist Party's top decision-making body Wednesday, the Politburo Standing Committee, Xi said that amid growing downward pressures on the global economy, "unstable and uncertain factors" were increasing.

China's outbreak of the coronavirus is apparently under control, with few new locally transmitted infections or deaths announced in recent weeks. On Wednesday, the epicenter of the original outbreak, Wuhan, officially ended its lockdown.

"New difficulties and challenges have emerged for China's work resumption and economic and social development," Xinhua quoted Xi as saying.

Xi urged Chinese authorities to carefully watch for imported cases from abroad and prevent a resurgence of the outbreak at home, Xinhua reported.


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Crap! Wave II

Are "new difficulties and challenges", Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE)?

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Tom McDowell said:

That was an interesting daily upload. Hope other bester and brighter than I - are paying attention. The presented data on antibodies, or the lack thereof present more questions than answers.

Although in this upload Dr. Martenson is not discussing another wave, unlike Dr. Niman, Wave II may be - the Honey Badger on meth.

ETA Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) - Something I pray we avoid!
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Interesting that he starts pointing out interweb distortion in a Cloro misrepresenting a French hospital using EEG to monitor patients when using Cloro and Ariz to ensure no heart abnormalities in the treatment and stopping meds for 1 patient. The interweenie implied they stopped using for All patients. He correctly pointed out how the headline lied (kind of like NY Times).

And he then compares ‘great’ unemployment insurance in Canada not to unemployment insurance in US but to the relief program checks. While I agree quicker processing of federal checks would be a very good thing this is apples to oranges. If you want to put number of unemployment claims processed I would say yeah you go let’s compare. But he chooses to compare the brakes on a Ford with a Chevy transmission.

Why does it appear that he has joined the US suck’s crowd, and why comparison’s from different programs. It’s almost like he has added in the talking points to progress the attacks on Trump. Subtle but Christopher should be

This is like the people who keeping preaching socialized government as healthcare utopia and then cherry pick stats from institutions that support large government control. When they start joining political arguments with bent arguments it makes me look at everything with a much more critical eye.

I still appreciate the clinical information, but not mopping up everything he is spilling.

Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
1m

Coronavirus Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe, not Asia - The New York Times
View: https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1248072463956824067?s=20

there are those that seem surprised. I am not sure why.
quarantine is a formal word. so formal it is defined by science, by medicine and the law.
it is almost part of our genetic memory and strikes fear into the hearts of most.
you say the word quarantine out loud and people run.

other words are not so well defined. self-quarantine, self-isolation, shelter in place, and one of my favorites "lockdown".
Lockdown orignated in the '70's. It refers to an incarcerated population that is further restricted to their cell for security.
You are under lockdown are you? Are you a member of an incarcerated population who is restricted to your cell?
Is everyone acting like they are under lockdown.

Lockdown is a term derived from communities of individuals convicted of a crime.
What was you crime? When was your trial? Is it a crime to be sick? or is is a crime to be healthy?
You are under lockdown and your only crime is you refused to contract the disease.
hahaha. you agree to stay home, you agree to stop work, you agree to anything they ask.
This is better than "1984" or "A Brave New World"

Tom McDowell said:

China's Xi warns of "new difficulties and challenges" amid rising risk of a second wave

In this photo released by state-run Xinhua News Agency, Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers a speech at a symposium on poverty alleviation in Beijing on March 6. Ju Peng/Xinhua via Getty

Chinese President Xi Jinping has warned against the risk of a second wave of infections in the country as the global pandemic continues to spread, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

In a meeting of the Chinese Communist Party's top decision-making body Wednesday, the Politburo Standing Committee, Xi said that amid growing downward pressures on the global economy, "unstable and uncertain factors" were increasing.

China's outbreak of the coronavirus is apparently under control, with few new locally transmitted infections or deaths announced in recent weeks. On Wednesday, the epicenter of the original outbreak, Wuhan, officially ended its lockdown.

"New difficulties and challenges have emerged for China's work resumption and economic and social development," Xinhua quoted Xi as saying.

Xi urged Chinese authorities to carefully watch for imported cases from abroad and prevent a resurgence of the outbreak at home, Xinhua reported.

China's Xi warns of "new difficulties and challenges" amid rising risk of a second wave

Countries continue to battle the novel coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

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Are "new difficulties and challenges", Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE)?

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I'm surprised to hear him suggesting this.

Tom McDowell said:

US Military transferred 18 coronavirus patients after an emergency with oxygen at local NYC hospital

A source with knowledge of the operations at multiple hospitals said the New York City area hospital had “major problems with excess ice accumulation on their overburdened medical oxygen systems.”

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-08-20/h_e906d8129ef55f4b0ef323450046a307

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Really! How hard can it be to heat a liquid oxygen heat exchanger compared to the effort and risk of transferring patients? Where is their plant maintenance department? Do the suppliers of their oxygen not provide technical support? This was foreseeable. Any observation on a humid day would have led to anticipating this.

This sort of thing exasperates me.

Shadow (rant off)

223shootersc said:

Could someone please explain the theory of there is no free lunch to Ms. Lighthead. I think she must have been absent the day that class was taught in grade school!

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That concept hasn't been taught in 30 years. Everybody wins, don't you know. Trophies for all.

Quiet Man said:

I would like to know, too, and hoping for someone who has experience with this who can provide guidance to come along.

I Googled the topic, but was unable to draw any really good fact-based conclusions. There are a number of variables, significantly including what the shell of the virus is made from.

A few articles that I found said that the outer shell of SARS-CoV-2 was assumed to be similar to SARS and MERS, and that commercial generators would sanitize well over 99% of those virii in a small room within 30 minutes, but this was from manufacturers.

In the end, I chose something that is arbitrary, but my 'best effort'. I am blowing the output of a 10g/Hr O3 unit through a 3 cu. ft., enclosed box with a small output window on the opposite side for 60 minutes. Objects are supported by a wire shelf to minimize hidden surfaces. This to sanitize my letter mail or small objects with smooth surfaces. I'm hoping that this is a couple orders of magnitude overkill, but, again, totally arbitrary (FWIW).

Suggestions welcome.

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My son and I have had ozone machines run round the clock in our homes for 25 years. Not one problem, pets are doing well, house smells nice. Had a friend at Clear lake that worked for NASA. An engineer there, rigged an ozone generator into his Central heat and air. I found this article where ozone IS being used for CV, but by putting it into the blood.

Dr. Rowen: Ozone REVERSES Critically Ill COVID Patients in China, and VERY RAPIDLY

Well here's a bit of good news, sounds like the fake news was outed again!
who needs russia & china when they've got the MSM
TheLastRefuge
@TheLastRefuge2
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Fake News having another bad week after getting caught for the umpteenth time spreading disinformation...
View: https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1248074238080307203?s=20

jward said:

Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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Coronavirus Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe, not Asia - The New York Times

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1248072463956824067

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Coronavirus in New York came mainly from Europe, studies show.
New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that it was brought to the region mainly by travelers from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place. On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China — the site of the virus’s first known outbreak — during the previous two weeks.

Viruses invade a cell and take over its molecular machinery, causing it to make new viruses. An international guild of viral historians ferrets out the history of outbreaks by poring over clues embedded in the genetic material of viruses taken from thousands of patients.

In January, a team of Chinese and Australian researchers published the first genome of the new virus. Since then, researchers around the world have sequenced over 3,000 more. Some are genetically identical to each other, while others carry distinctive mutations.

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Wow, the lengths they'll go.

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pinkelsteinsmom said:

My son and I have had ozone machines run round the clock in our homes for 25 years. Not one problem, pets are doing well, house smells nice. Had a friend at Clear lake that worked for NASA. An engineer there, rigged an ozone generator into his Central heat and air. I found this article where ozone IS being used for CV, but by putting it into the blood.

Dr. Rowen: Ozone REVERSES Critically Ill COVID Patients in China, and VERY RAPIDLY

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PM,

You and your son must have very small ozone generators for the larger ozone generators, which we have one, instruct not to remain in the room once started and to not let anyone into the room until the ozone generator shuts off and wait for thirty minutes to allow the Ozone (O3) to dissipate.

Ozone is very reactive and high concentrations of ozone can cause problems for living organisms. Ozone destroys odors and will kill pests. I have seen the results of ozone removing odor and dead pests after using a ozone generator. Ozone is also used to disinfect water and treated sewage.

A small ozone generator may have some benefits only if it is at very low concentration.

Texican....

View: https://youtu.be/4FgweoEC1b4


A long interview (2:29:08) with a virologist and author, Judy Mikovits. She’s saying many doctors are knowingly offering bad science. The doctor‘s interview starts about 13 minutes in.

She offers her opinion about the origin and most likely timing/method of spread of covid-19 (vaccs over the last several years).

She distinguishes between infection and disease.

She also talks about how harmful masks are.

Texican said:

the larger ozone generators, which we have one, instruct not to remain in the room once started

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That is my experience. After just 3 minutes at a 10 gram/hour rate, the concentration of O3 in my 2-car garage is overpowering and unbearable.

Ozone is made by lightning. That fresh smell after a thunder storm is due to ozone. We use it on commercial aircraft to disinfect potable water systems on a regular schedule. It has a distinct odor and too much of it gives me a sore throat.

A co-worker used an ozone machine made to be placed above a hunter in a tree stand. He got a great buck, and a sore throat for three days.

I have one I use at home. However I leave the house and air it out extensively before entering. It takes longer than the 1-2 hours the instructions say in order to dissipate.

I have no idea what level of exposure is good and when it becomes harmful, but there are limits. Do a lot of research.

Shadow

Texican said:

PM,

You and your son must have very small ozone generators for the larger ozone generators, which we have one, instruct not to remain in the room once started and to not let anyone into the room until the ozone generator shuts off and wait for thirty minutes to allow the Ozone (O3) to dissipate.

Ozone is very reactive and high concentrations of ozone can cause problems for living organisms. Ozone destroys odors and will kill pests. I have seen the results of ozone removing odor and dead pests after using a ozone generator. Ozone is also used to disinfect water and treated sewage.

A small ozone generator may have some benefits only if it is at very low concentration.

Texican....

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No, I don't have nor would I use a commercial ozone generator in my home. This is the one I have used for the last 5 years:

Troke said:

I got one continuous loop but I can assure you it was an accident. I don't remember much problem getting at the machine, I think only a few students were into it back in 1966 so we had easy access.

I still had the cards up to a few years ago.

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Those were memories I prefered not to keep.


Southside

Re. 42, 876

Martenson, Rubino, Smith & Taggart - four voices worth hearing on the post corona economy IMO. Thanks for posting, Marsh!

Re. #42,915

giving a pulse oximetre to use at home could be one way to "err on the side of safety,

Every modern sickroom should have a digital pulse oximeter. Many can be had for less then 40 FRN$ and can get a more reliable pulse rate than most trained people, plus giving easy access to blood oxygen levels.

JMHO, MMYV

Troke said:

I still had the cards up to a few years ago.

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I've got a couple boxes of blank cards. I've got one of those metal shoes you used to straighten the card decks. When I left the last place that used cards, I loaded all kinds of programs on a 9-track tape and took it along. Not real easy, but eventually got that converted to floppy and it's now in my PC archives.