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Back in the mid- '70s, DH and I bonded over Pong and $1 pitchers of beer at a sandwich shop near UofA in Tucson. Cheap suds and dirt-simple computer games cause 40-year marriages.
Old Greek
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You are very welcome Ragnarok. I find it very disturbing how the management at your workplace is handling this situation. I was in a factory manager position about 30 years ago ( I know that's 1/2 a lifetime ) and I spent 95% of my time on the factory floor, not in my office. Different world today. Ninety plus percent of all good ideas come from the folks doing the real work. Learned that early on. God bless.
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
I called up our local volunteer fire/ambulance chief yesterday to offer them some masks that I found in storage. He said they thought they had some coming from the local National Guard, but said if they didn't come through they would be most happy for some even though they are 10 years expired.
So then I was asking him how it was going, he also owns the local lumber yard. They are still open for business, it's a very small town, they generally don't have more than one customer at a time on a normal day, ha. He said they sourced some hand sanitizer from a distillery in Duluth. But he was pretty upset that a snowbird showed up, recently arrived from Texas, and the guy didn't think that he should maybe self quarantine after traveling. We still don't have a confirmed case in our county yet. But yea, the snowbirds could change that right quick.
So then I was asking him how it was going, he also owns the local lumber yard. They are still open for business, it's a very small town, they generally don't have more than one customer at a time on a normal day, ha. He said they sourced some hand sanitizer from a distillery in Duluth. But he was pretty upset that a snowbird showed up, recently arrived from Texas, and the guy didn't think that he should maybe self quarantine after traveling. We still don't have a confirmed case in our county yet. But yea, the snowbirds could change that right quick.
bbbuddy
DEPLORABLE ME
In effect, those who have been exposed ARE "The Walking Dead".... they have a death sentence within them AND can give it to you....
Oh boy
Indiana
5943 Cases, 203 Deaths and 30,869 Tests
Lake 461 C, 12 D and 2275 T
Allen 95 C, 7 D and 637 T
Hamilton: 392 C, 15 D and 1664 T
Madison: 143 C, 11 D and 565 T
Hendricks: 243 C, 6 D and 937 T
Johnson: 230 C, 8 D and 1275 T
Franklin: 61 C, 7 D and 119 T
Lawrence: 55 C, 7 D and 188 T
Clark: 86 C, 7 D and 441 T
coronavirus.in.gov
5943 Cases, 203 Deaths and 30,869 Tests
Lake 461 C, 12 D and 2275 T
Allen 95 C, 7 D and 637 T
Hamilton: 392 C, 15 D and 1664 T
Madison: 143 C, 11 D and 565 T
Hendricks: 243 C, 6 D and 937 T
Johnson: 230 C, 8 D and 1275 T
Franklin: 61 C, 7 D and 119 T
Lawrence: 55 C, 7 D and 188 T
Clark: 86 C, 7 D and 441 T
Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard
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auxman
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
Constitution Dies Of Coronavirus
WASHINGTON, D.C.—According to sources at the National Archives, doctors rushed the United States Constitution to the hospital and were forced to hook the document up to a ventilator after it began having trouble breathing Sunday afternoon.
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Constitution Dies Of Coronavirus
WASHINGTON, D.C.—According to sources at the National Archives, doctors rushed the United States Constitution to the hospital and were forced to hook the document up to a ventilator after it began having trouble breathing Sunday afternoon.
The document reportedly slipped into a coma en route to the emergency room and was in critical condition for many hours. Doctors confirmed the worst: the founding document of our nation was infected with the novel coronavirus. Finally, surrounded by one or two mourners, as most people in Washington abandoned it a long time ago, it slipped away Sunday night.
"Between both political parties constantly trampling all over the Bill of Rights and stretching and distorting the Constitution for political gain whenever it's convenient, I just don't know how much more abuse it could have taken," said one doctor as he pronounced the Constitution's time of death: 20:20, ironically.
The 232-year-old Constitution has had its share of health scares, nearly being killed in the 1860s, the 1930s and 40s, and the early 2000s, but medical experts say this last crisis was just more than it could take.
"It had many underlying conditions, of course, already being incredibly sick with Obamacare, Obergefell, Roe v Wade, the Patriot Act, and many more diseases," said the doctor. "But it's still sad to see this old boy pass on."
The Constitution's close relatives, including the Declaration of Independence, simply asked for Americans to send "thoughts and prayers" during this time of mourning.
Hmmm! This drug has been in use for over 50 years and they are just now finding this out?
Or does the Chinese Plague so affect your body that HCQ is now a poison and not a cure?
Clever of the Chinese to factor that capability in when they designed it.
I think they are going to get their wildest dreams from this one. Won't need another one.
Not sure why. Maybe a CV19 thing? Maybe a dosage thing? Maybe BS by Breaking? All of those are possibilities.
Perhaps you did not realize that "social distancing" is an "economic" theory.
The goal of social distancing is not the cure of corona. Social distancing by design is to "manipulate supply and demand" for medical services. Look at their charts. They want to lower the crest of the curve to match available hospital services . . . and then keep it there . . . forever.
Social Distancing is Just in Time Supply Chain Management. It is economic theory.
Quarantine of the sick is science, it is medicine, and it is defined in law.
Which only proves that Economics is not Science . . . it is social manipulation.
Think about it . . . do you feel manipulated yet?
The goal of social distancing is not the cure of corona. Social distancing by design is to "manipulate supply and demand" for medical services. Look at their charts. They want to lower the crest of the curve to match available hospital services . . . and then keep it there . . . forever.
Social Distancing is Just in Time Supply Chain Management. It is economic theory.
Quarantine of the sick is science, it is medicine, and it is defined in law.
Which only proves that Economics is not Science . . . it is social manipulation.
Think about it . . . do you feel manipulated yet?
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
The wife said they were testing people at work and they sent a bunch home (50%), it was the first day of checking. She also told me they were not asking the questions correctly, but no one seemed to care.
If they reported and were sent home, they still go paid. Strong incentive to get sent home.
If they reported and were sent home, they still go paid. Strong incentive to get sent home.
Another thought....
Since it appears that CV19 is removing oxygen from the blood could that be causing a "normal" and acceptable dose to actually become an overdose? I don't know how that works. Medical people weigh in on this one....
bw
Fringe Ranger
Had to go look that up.
bw
Fringe Ranger
So France and Sweden got the memo from Big Pharma. No surprise there.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
New York's Coronavirus Death Toll is Almost Certainly Far Higher Than Reported
BY RICK MORAN APRIL 7, 2020
Workers from a Servpro disaster recovery team wearing protective suits and respirators are given supplies as they line up before entering the Life Care Center in Kirkland, Wash. to begin cleaning and disinfecting the facility, Wednesday, March 11, 2020, near Seattle. The nursing home is at the center of the outbreak of the COVID-19 coronavirus in Washington state.
"Before the pandemic struck New York City, 20-25 people a day were dying at home according to the city medical examiner's office. Now, that number is more than 200, raising questions about how many of those who die in their own beds actually died of coronavirus.
As of Monday afternoon, the official death toll in New York was 2,378. But that only includes people who tested positive for the virus. It doesn't include those who aren't tested and die of COVID-19 symptoms. And the city's medical examiner doesn't test dead bodies for the virus.
Gothamist:
While not all those who die at home had COVID-19 symptoms, the discrepancy between pre-pandemic deaths and those today strongly suggests that the vast majority of at-home deaths are from the coronavirus.
There's no malice in the undercount, no attempt to deceive. But it points to the urgent need for universal testing for the virus.
What's happening in New York City is almost certainly happening in other large urban areas in the United States that are pushed to the limit with treating coronavirus patients.
The national death toll number is probably much higher than announced. Perhaps it's inevitable in a pandemic that accuracy becomes a goal, not a reality."
Dr. Fauci Says the World May Never Get Back to 'Normal' After the Pandemic
EMICT
Veteran Member
Most likely a CV19 thing. There comes a point in any disease that no matter what you throw at it, the disease wins. Multitudes of posts dictate that this virus affects lung, heart, kidney, and testes and depending on where the virus decides to reside in abundance, that is where you will see the resulting issues (cardiac, respiratory, etc.)
If you give a drug to a person at the beginning of the disease process, the result will more likely to be positive. That's why we don't routinely treat dead people with medication. There IS a point that it does not provide the desired results.
EMICT
Veteran Member
I find it ironic that we now are reading stories where the word 'Wuhan' is easily replaced with 'New York' due to the content being almost identical.
New York's Coronavirus Death Toll is Almost Certainly Far Higher Than Reported
BY RICK MORAN APRIL 7, 2020
Workers from a Servpro disaster recovery team wearing protective suits and respirators are given supplies as they line up before entering the Life Care Center in Kirkland, Wash. to begin cleaning and disinfecting the facility, Wednesday, March 11, 2020, near Seattle. The nursing home is at the center of the outbreak of the COVID-19 coronavirus in Washington state.
"Before the pandemic struck New York City, 20-25 people a day were dying at home according to the city medical examiner's office. Now, that number is more than 200, raising questions about how many of those who die in their own beds actually died of coronavirus.
As of Monday afternoon, the official death toll in New York was 2,378. But that only includes people who tested positive for the virus. It doesn't include those who aren't tested and die of COVID-19 symptoms. And the city's medical examiner doesn't test dead bodies for the virus.
Gothamist:
While not all those who die at home had COVID-19 symptoms, the discrepancy between pre-pandemic deaths and those today strongly suggests that the vast majority of at-home deaths are from the coronavirus.
There's no malice in the undercount, no attempt to deceive. But it points to the urgent need for universal testing for the virus.
What's happening in New York City is almost certainly happening in other large urban areas in the United States that are pushed to the limit with treating coronavirus patients.
The national death toll number is probably much higher than announced. Perhaps it's inevitable in a pandemic that accuracy becomes a goal, not a reality."
Dr. Fauci Says the World May Never Get Back to 'Normal' After the Pandemic
Thanks. That helps.
"Before the pandemic struck New York City, 20-25 people a day were dying at home according to the city medical examiner's office. Now, that number is more than 200, raising questions about how many of those who die in their own beds actually died of coronavirus.""
Gee! A clue! What next?
Gee! A clue! What next?
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Just came across this...note that it’s only on Archive.org. The original medium url is now a 410 error.
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of…web.archive.org
I just did a search for the story, and found that it was posted Monday, here.
CORONA - Main Coronavirus thread
Apologies if this has already been posted. Not endorsing, just throwing it out there. I'd gotten a fair stock of Ivermectin (for worms & bots in horses) for years earlier SARS pandemic fears on dr recommendation...www.timebomb2000.com
Sorry for the Dupe...
Thank-You, Sir... Without a doubt, the best analysis of COVID-19, which is written with the layman in mind... By sharing this, you may well have saved lives, passing on the author's work to those seeking answers.
God Bless You and Yours, and May You All Have Long, Safe, Happy, and Productive Lives...
OA
school marm
Veteran Member
FOAF, a nurse at the VA hospital here in northern Nevada, died of COVID-19 yesterday. The husband of the deceased was in my friend's home 8 days ago, 2 days before the deceased fell ill. I didn't know the deceased, but because her approximately 19-year-old son returned from the East Coast to be with her, I'd guess she was around 50. I don't know whether she had any co-morbidities.
EMICT
Veteran Member
... especially for the ones who had elective cardiac bypass surgery that was cancelled, transplants that were cancelled, routine treatments that were altered, and the list goes on and on. When you shut down over 3/4's of the medical treatment in favor of Covid-19, you will see higher numbers of pre-existing conditions taking hold and killing folks. That doesn't even count hospitals in NYC being overwhelmed and not being able to treat these patients even if they did decide to 'try' and get into an ER.
It's kinda like the toilet paper dilemma. If toilet paper saved lives, you'd have a whole bunch of people dying right now.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is just for the state of Mississippi, but the health dept has put up some new charts that are disturbing:
There some more charts here:
adgal
Veteran Member
I went to our local Post Office on Monday morning - I had to mail my mom some Elderberry Syrup. I brought some extra N95 masks that we've had in our basement (bagged up) for years. I offered them three of them. They were so grateful to get them. The postmaster said that they hadn't been able to find any, anywhere. The Post Office IS essential - they should have been provided masks.
I am truly confused why new analysis doesn’t line up with previous official Chinese reports. This just stumps me, hhmmm got nothing on why????
adgal
Veteran Member
I ordered my seeds back in January (I think I posted it here back then) and I just checked Baker Creek Seeds website. They are not accepting orders right now and their online presence is closed until next Monday. https://www.rareseeds.com/
Once again - I'm grateful to the folks here for the collective knowledge and experience that has been shared!
Once again - I'm grateful to the folks here for the collective knowledge and experience that has been shared!
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zerowww.zerohedge.com
Some Bad News From JPM: This Is What Happens After We Pass The Virus Peak
Tue, 04/07/2020 - 05:55
Yesterday, when giving an update on the global coronavirus infection curve, and highlighting where various nations currently reside on the curve, we said what has become conventional wisdom, namely that "with every passing day, the world - most of which is currently on lock down - gets closer to the infection inflection point, and as the updated "corona curve" chart shows, all the nations that were in the exponential rise phase (acceleration), are now moving into the stage of infection growth rate slowdown (accumulation), suggesting that a peak for most countries is now just a matter of time, at which point the number of new cases will start slowing down aggressively. This means that while US cases continue to soar, the light at the end of the tunnel is now visible."
Some, such as JPMorgan's delightfully permabullish quant Marko Kolanovic (who is so keen on giving flashbacks to his notes from x weeks ago, if not so much his "once in a decade" call to buy value/short low-vol stocks last July), ran with this data to its extreme conclusion, writing today that his models "have indicated that social distancing is working and that the apex of the pandemic will come sooner and require significantly less peak hospitalizations than projected by the models used by government officials at the time."
In short, it's all downhill from here on the corona-curve... literally, which is great news if that was all there is to it as every analyst-trader-amateur-epidemiologist jumps to conclude.
Unfortunately, it turns out that there is much more to it what happens next than "conventional wisdom" hot takes and amateur Wall Street virologists would have you believe, because in a separate not from a far more erudite JPM analyst - at least when it comes to coronavirus analysis - the bank's MW Kim writes that the first apex is just the beginning, and then - as China is learning now as it reports the most new cases in a month...
... it gets much worse again as the second infection wave is unleashed, then the third, and so on.
So what's really going on?
First let's do the good news, which as JPM's MW Kim notes, have to do with the slowdown in global infections which grew 62% w/w to 1,275,542, while infection growth momentum has slowed compared to ~95% w/w ten days ago.
Furthermore, as we reported yesterday, several of the larger impacted countries are now in the slower infection growth rate accumulating stage (the latest curve chart as of this morning is shown below)...
... and JPM is optimistic that post Easter holidays, market focus could likely shift towards "infection peak"/ "recovery statistics" from the current ‘daily new additions’.
Now, and as is customary, are the not so good news: MW Kim cautions that his findings on COVID-19 so far include (1) the lack of a vaccine makes it difficult to clear the virus; (2) social distancing is an expensive strategy in terms of economic/ social cost perspective; (3) it may perhaps prove challenging to build popular acceptance of stricter social distancing for more than a month.
Therefore, and this is the key part, JPMorgan (at least the non-quant part of JPMorgan) "cannot rule out the possibility that global infection curves propagate secondary waves, shaped similar to seismic aftershocks until a vaccine is broadly available."
Some more details from JPM on how and why "reducing new contacts” aka social distancing has been the primary containment strategy:
So far so good, and social distancing does indeed show success. But, as JPM asks, the question is if authorities will face challenges in acceptance to extend strict social-distancing for longer periods (say over a month).
Therefore, the bank's analyst cannot rule out the possibility that successive global infection curves form until a vaccine is broadly available. The strategy then may shift to society living with COVID-19, but minimizing infection scale/scope.
Which then brings us to the $64 trillion (roughly in line with global GDP) question: is the coming "second reinfection wave" going to be smaller or bigger, similar to the Spanish Flu pandemic, where deaths in the second wave were 5x greater than those from the first?
Here JPM believes that next waves could be at a smaller amplitude with lower mortality rate potential compared to the current first wave. This is due to (1) strong risk awareness among stakeholders; (2) faster government response potential at the infection tipping point; and (3) enhanced risk manual at the containment stage. However, even a substantially reduced amplitude of wave 2 (and 3 and 4), suggest that ongoing economic shutdowns will be recurring feature of life for quarters if not years!
The amplitude could be higher, however, a la the Spanish Flu pandemic, if it turns out that the life cycle of the coronavirus is far longer than assumed. As JPM notes, the COVID-19 infection life cycle could last for 4-5 weeks including a 2-week incubation period.
The bottom line, and somewhat counterintuitively, the sooner the world declares victory against the Wu Flu, the faster the general population will rush back into "social undistancing", sparking countless new case clusters as the infection restarts from scratch, forcing authorities to re-establish social distancing once again, and so on, as the entire process repeats from square one.
SERIOUS, WORLDWIDE, SOCIAL DISTANCING will NEVER work- either short term, or long term.
Why?
Humans are socialble, and they by their very nature, are "bunch quitters." Huh? Humans are like cattle- they like being around their own kind, close contact where possible. There are, and always will be, "bunch quitters." They go off on their own, sometimes getting in trouble, but often causing problems for their owners/handlers/herd...
A tip o' the hat to those who love all things Western, this term, "bunch quitter" immediately came to mind when reading the above article. It fits the human herd, and it's vital that there be more that stand-up, to protect the herd from others, as well as itself...
Great post, marsh! God Bless You and Yours!
OA
Ah, those were the days, Troke. (not)
I took a class in Fortran in the mid 70's. We were allotted only a small amount of funds at a time because invariably we would program ourselves into a loop. I was a frequent flyer at the TA's office to get more money put into my account. lol NOT my favorite class.
For those young enough to have missed the joy:
1. You stood in line to buy punch cards at the bookstore.
2. Then you stood in line waiting to use the punch card machine.
3. You made too many mistakes and ran out of punch cards before you ran out of program.
4. Back to standing in line for more punch cards at the bookstore.
5. Back to the line for the punch card machine.
6. Stand in line to get your punch cards read.
7. Wait until the mainframe worked its way through 57 other students, half of which had gone into loops.
8. Finally got your program. Yep. You had one mistake and got into a loop.
9. Repeat steps 2, 5, 6, and 7.
10. Rats! There's another mistake. Now you have to wait for the TA to show up to his office to get more funds put into your account.
11. Repeat step 1, because you are once again out of punch cards, then repeat steps 2, 5, 6, 7. It's now about 1 am. The lab closes at 2am. Class is at 8 am. Suddenly find religion as you wait for step 8. YES! It's 1:45 am and you finally got the stupid program right.
12. Vow to not wait until the last minute to write the damn program.
13. Next week. hahahaha Of course you waited until the last minute! Repeat steps 1 - 12.
14. Get a C in the course and vow to stay as far away from computers as possible!
Dealing with alligators, rattlers, moccasins, swamps, heat, humidity, lightening storms, etc. is much preferable.
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MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
More like, if even true, is only so when the Chinks make it. Would be due to avoidable impurities from their cheap s***ty manufacturing process.
Coronavirus claims an unexpected victim: Florida vegetables
Mounds of harvested zucchini and yellow squash ripened and then rotted in the hot Florida sun. Juicy tomatoes were left to wither — unpicked — in farmers' fields. Thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because farmers can’t sell to...
Long article but very good. It's about vegetable crops in Florida being plowed under because they are usually shipped to restaurants, which are now closed. More consequences ...… things we just never think about
Martinhouse
Deceased
The milk is being dumped because the processing plants are closed.
Same is happening with beef, pork, and chicken.
And I would imagine various crops as well.
Same is happening with beef, pork, and chicken.
And I would imagine various crops as well.
So, a question. If the problem with this virus is that it kicks out the iron ion in the hemoglobin, which causes the organs to die of oxygen deprivation, what exactly is causing the unique ground glass lesions or whatever they are in the lungs? What is causing the thickened alveoli (sp?) which is permanent lung damage? Is there something else going on?
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bill Mitchell is determined to pound a square peg into a round hole.
I think the reason that Dr. Birx was detailing that recording method is due to the controversy that some countries are recording Wuhan Coronavirus deaths as anything but... Using any pre-existing condition to basically excuse the cause of death as not Wuhan CoronaChan. It's disingenuous, as you point out, and I think it does our Govt. credit from the point view that they are trying to be transparent in reporting.
It also means that comparing the US's numbers to say Germany's is apples-to-oranges. It's been reported that Germany had been reporting cause of Death as any existing co-morbidity or chronic illness.
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EMICT
Veteran Member
Immune response or in it's worse state Cytokine Storm.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
They are just finding out now what happens when you give it to someone whose body has already been ravaged by the COVID-19 Virus.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
There need to be some detectives looking into the supply chain for the very reason you point out!
There was a tweet above that the Swedish Govt. had stopped the use of HCQ due to severe headaches...
HCQ has known side effects, but are these outside the norm? Where were these medications sourced? Are they being prescribed at significantly different dosages? Bad batches?