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jward

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The Queen’s broadcast to the UK and Commonwealth
‘We should take comfort that while we may have more still to endure, better days will return.’ Her Majesty speaks to Commonwealth citizens around the world in a broadcast recorded at Windsor Castle.





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VIDEO: Queen Elizabeth II addresses the UK and the Commonwealth on the battle against coronavirus. It's only the 5th time she has given such a speech in her 68-year reign
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Melodi

Disaster Cat

The New York Times Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19



John Ismay

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Capt. Brett E. Crozier, the Navy captain who was removed from command of the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, has tested positive for Covid-19, according to two Naval Academy classmates of Crozier’s who are close to him and his family.
a man standing in front of a building: Capt. Brett E. Crozier addressing the crew of the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in November.
© U.S. Navy, via Associated Press Capt. Brett E. Crozier addressing the crew of the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in November.
A Navy spokesman declined to comment on Crozier’s Covid status.

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The commander began exhibiting symptoms before he was removed from the warship on Thursday, two of his classmates said. Crozier was fired following a leak to The San Francisco Chronicle of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders that detailed the failures on the service’s part to provide the necessary resources to swiftly move sailors off the carrier and disinfect areas on board as the virus spread through the ship.
Thomas B. Modly, the acting secretary of the Navy, said he had lost confidence in Crozier’s ability to command the ship effectively as it dealt with the evolving crisis after Crozier sent the letter on an unclassified email system to 20 to 30 people. Sending such a letter, Modly said, caused unnecessary alarm about the operational readiness of the ship and undermined the chain of command. “In sending it out pretty broadly, he did not take care to ensure that it couldn’t be leaked,” Modly said. “And that’s part of his responsibility.”
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In a briefing Saturday, President Trump offered support for Modly’s decision. “He shouldn’t be talking that way in a letter,” the president said of Crozier. “I thought it was terrible what he did.”
Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that there were 155 confirmed cases of Covid-19 among sailors aboard the aircraft carrier, and that more than half of the ship had been tested. So far there have been no hospitalizations.
“There is an investigation ongoing,” Esper said of Crozier’s actions. “All the services at times relieve commanders without the benefit of an investigation up front because they’ve lost confidence in them. It’s certainly not unique to the Navy.”
The news of Crozier’s diagnosis is likely to fuel further skepticism of the Navy’s handling of the outbreak aboard the aircraft carrier, which has already received notable criticism from the rank and file. On Friday, videos circulated showing hundreds of sailors aboard the Roosevelt cheering for Crozier as he disembarked the ship. Memes depicting the Navy captain rescuing his sailors from a burning building over saving his own career sprouted up across social media.


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Crozier’s firing has also raised concerns with Democratic lawmakers. In a statement, the Democratic leaders of the House Armed Services Committee condemned his removal, although they acknowledged that Crozier might have made missteps in his handling of the situation. “Captain Crozier was justifiably concerned about the health and safety of his crew, but he did not handle the immense pressure appropriately,” the lawmakers said. “However, relieving him of his command is an overreaction.”
“Throwing the commanding officer overboard without a thorough investigation is not going to solve the growing crisis aboard the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt,” the lawmakers added.
On Sunday, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. expressed criticism of the Navy’s actions on ABC’s “This Week,” saying, “I think it’s close to criminal the way they’re dealing with this guy.”
“I think he should have a commendation rather than be fired,” Biden added.
A Navy spokesman said that Crozier has been reassigned to the headquarters of the Naval Air Forces Pacific command in San Diego, but that he must complete a quarantine period first.
The captain was being quarantined in “distinguished visitors quarters” on Naval Base Guam, according to two of his classmates. It is unclear when he was first tested for Covid-19 or when he received his results.


The U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, which is homeported in San Diego, arrived in the U.S. territory of Guam on March 27 and holds a crew of nearly 5,000 service members. All sailors who are evacuated from the carrier must have a negative test result for Covid-19 before they can be quarantined ashore. At least 400 from the vessel were expected to be sent to hotels in Guam on Sunday, according to Mary Rhodes, the president of the Guam Hotel and Restaurant Association, who is helping the Navy with the logistics of these transfers. “This is an emergent situation and a humanitarian effort,” said Rhodes. “We have 13 hotels to receive up to 4,000 military personnel.”
The sailors will join roughly 625 other service members from the Roosevelt who have already tested negative for the virus and have been sent to quarantine in hotels over the past few days.
If you’re part of the military community and want to tell the At Team how the military’s efforts to contain the coronavirus are affecting you, email us at atwar@nytimes.com or visit The Times’s Tips page.
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Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington.
John Ismay is a staff writer who covers armed conflict for The New York Times Magazine. He is based in Washington.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
There was a theory that at the reset, the bankers would be able to take ownership of most of the residences and private property in the US because people would be unable to pay their mortgages (and property taxes.) That is not going to go down easy.

Bankers do not like to own things. Rather, they like to own the mortgages on things.

It is estimated that nearly 30 percent of Americans own their own homes free and clear. Refer to below.

The banksters may try to foreclose on all of the home mortgages, but with the amount of new gun owners and the 100 million plus of existing gun owners, the banksters may find this will not work. Just how many LEO's will try to serve eviction notices when faced with an armed resistance? How many of the LEO's will tell the banksters to stuff their conviction notices where the sun does not shine. Remember, LEO's also have mortgages.

Will be interesting.

Texican....

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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Do you happen to have a decent model of the expected exponential # of cases?

It can only be exponential until it 'burns through' the population. It will be a bell curve more or less when all is said and done. The estimates I have been working from indicated a peak for us at about mid-May, fwiw. I'm still going with that till I get new evidence.
 

jward

passin' thru
Do you happen to have a decent model of the expected exponential # of cases?

It can only be exponential until it 'burns through' the population. It will be a bell curve more or less when all is said and done. The estimates I have been working from indicated a peak for us at about mid-May, fwiw. I'm still going with that till I get new evidence.

Yes, last "forecast" I recall gave 2 weeks either side of June. Guess I'll have to do some actual "gasp" research and math lol.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I was able to archive the link and read thecarchived version. Most of the articles behind a paywall, you can archive using archive.is or the way back machine.
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How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky. - The Wash…

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How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky.
A woman has her temperature checked Thursday by a volunteer at the entrance to a neighborhood in Wuhan, China.
A woman has her temperature checked Thursday by a volunteer at the entrance to a neighborhood in Wuhan, China. (Hector Retamal/Afp Via Getty Images)
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By
David Ignatius
Columnist
April 2, 2020 at 10:56 p.m. UTC
The story of how the novel coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China, has produced a nasty propaganda battle between the United States and China. The two sides have traded some of the sharpest charges made between two nations since the Soviet Union in 1985 falsely accused the CIA of manufacturing AIDS.
U.S. intelligence officials don’t think the pandemic was caused by deliberate wrongdoing. The outbreak that has now swept the world instead began with a simpler story, albeit one with tragic consequences: The prime suspect is “natural” transmission from bats to humans, perhaps through unsanitary markets. But scientists don’t rule out that an accident at a research laboratory in Wuhan might have spread a deadly bat virus that had been collected for scientific study.
“Good science, bad safety” is how Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) put this theory in a Feb. 16 tweet. He ranked such a breach (or natural transmission) as more likely than two extreme possibilities: an accidental leak of an “engineered bioweapon” or a “deliberate release.” Cotton’s earlier loose talk about bioweapons set off a furor, back when he first raised it in late January and called the outbreak “worse than Chernobyl.”
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President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added to the bile last month by describing the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus” and the “Wuhan virus,” respectively.
China dished wild, irresponsible allegations of its own. On March 12, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao charged in a tweet: “It might be [the] US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan.” He retweeted an article that claimed, without evidence, that U.S. troops might have spread the virus when they attended the World Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019.
China retreated on March 22, when Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai told “Axios on HBO” that such rumors were “crazy” on both sides. A State Department spokesman said Cui’s comment was “welcome,” and Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged in a March 27 phone call to “focus on cooperative behavior,” a senior administration official told me.
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What went wrong with coronavirus testing in the U.S. | The Fact Checker


Testing for the novel coronavirus is a crucial part of slowing the spread of the disease. Here’s how the U.S. failed to provide tests that worked quickly. (Sarah Cahlan, Meg Kelly, Elyse Samuels/The Washington Post)
To be clear: U.S. intelligence officials think there’s no evidence whatsoever that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory as a potential bioweapon. Solid scientific research demonstrates that the virus wasn’t engineered by humans and that it originated in bats.
But how did the outbreak occur? Solving this medical mystery is important to prevent future pandemics. What’s increasingly clear is that the initial “origin story” — that the virus was spread by people who ate contaminated animals at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan — is shaky.
Scientists have identified the culprit as a bat coronavirus, through genetic sequencing; bats weren’t sold at the seafood market, although that market or others could have sold animals that had contact with bats. The Lancet noted in a January study that the first covid-19 case in Wuhan had no connection to the seafood market.
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There’s a competing theory — of an accidental lab release of bat coronavirus — that scientists have been puzzling about for weeks. Less than 300 yards from the seafood market is the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Researchers from that facility and the nearby Wuhan Institute of Virology have posted articles about collecting bat coronaviruses from around China, for study to prevent future illness. Did one of those samples leak, or was hazardous waste deposited in a place where it could spread?
Richard Ebright, a Rutgers microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me in an email that “the first human infection could have occurred as a natural accident,” with the virus passing from bat to human, possibly through another animal. But Ebright cautioned that it “also could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with, for example, an accidental infection of a laboratory worker.” He noted that bat coronaviruses were studied in Wuhan at Biosafety Level 2, “which provides only minimal protection,” compared with the top BSL-4.
Ebright described a December video from the Wuhan CDC that shows staffers “collecting bat coronaviruses with inadequate [personal protective equipment] and unsafe operational practices.” Separately, I reviewed two Chinese articles, from 2017 and 2019, describing the heroics of Wuhan CDC researcher Tian Junhua, who while capturing bats in a cave “forgot to take protective measures” so that “bat urine dripped from the top of his head like raindrops.”
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And then there’s the Chinese study that was curiously withdrawn. In February, a site called ResearchGate published a brief article by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao from Guangzhou’s South China University of Technology. “In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories,” the article concluded. Botao Xiao told the Wall Street Journal in February that he had withdrawn the paper because it “was not supported by direct proofs.”
Accidents happen, human or laboratory. Solving the mystery of how covid-19 began isn’t a blame game, but a chance for China and the United States to cooperate in a crisis, and prevent a future one.


THANKS so much! :)
 

jward

passin' thru
Lucas Tomlinson
@LucasFoxNews


39% of U.S. Navy’s Covid-19 cases are aboard aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt currently stuck in Guam, and only half the crew of 5,000 has been tested for the virus so far, Navy says

Henry Chinaski
@ashsoles

7m

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@LucasFoxNews
Half the crew has been tested and there are 155 positive tests. Beware when journalists use percentages instead of total numbers because they do it for a reason.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Using the John Hopkins daily data. Assuming 11% per day increases which has been recent history...down from 14% average for first 65 days and then 12% average for last few days and then 11% for last couple of days.

If the curve continues to flatten the increase will slow down and then hopefully begin to decline. But if it doesn't and the math continues to prove out then this is the future for the next 7-8 weeks. Doubling every 6-7 days.


DateUSA Projected
Confirmed Cases
Projected
Daily
Increase @11% per day
3/24/2020​
65,800 12,100
3/25/2020​
83,800 18,000
3/26/2020​
101,700 17,900
3/27/2020​
121,500 19,800
3/28/2020​
140,900 19,400
3/29/2020​
161,800 20,900
3/30/2020​
188,200 26,400
3/31/2020​
213,400 25,200
4/1/2020​
243,500 30,100
4/2/2020​
275,600 32,100
4/3/2020​
308,900 33,300
4/4/2020​
346,224 37,324
4/5/2020​
388,057 41,833
4/6/2020​
434,945 46,888
4/7/2020​
487,498 52,553
4/8/2020​
546,401 58,903
4/9/2020​
612,421 66,020
4/10/2020​
686,418 73,997
4/11/2020​
769,356 82,938
4/12/2020​
862,315 92,959
4/13/2020​
966,507 104,191
4/14/2020​
1,083,287 116,780
4/15/2020​
1,214,178 130,891
4/16/2020​
1,360,883 146,706
4/17/2020​
1,525,315 164,432
4/18/2020​
1,709,615 184,300
4/19/2020​
1,916,183 206,568
4/20/2020​
2,147,710 231,527
4/21/2020​
2,407,212 259,502
4/22/2020​
2,698,069 290,857
4/23/2020​
3,024,070 326,000
4/24/2020​
3,389,460 365,390
4/25/2020​
3,798,999 409,539
4/26/2020​
4,258,022 459,023
4/27/2020​
4,772,507 514,485
4/28/2020​
5,349,156 576,649
4/29/2020​
5,995,480 646,324
4/30/2020​
6,719,898 724,418
5/1/2020​
7,531,845 811,947
5/2/2020​
8,441,897 910,052
5/3/2020​
9,461,909 1,020,012
5/4/2020​
10,605,166 1,143,257
5/5/2020​
11,886,559 1,281,393
5/6/2020​
13,322,780 1,436,221
5/7/2020​
14,932,535 1,609,755
5/8/2020​
16,736,793 1,804,258
5/9/2020​
18,759,054 2,022,261
5/10/2020​
21,025,659 2,266,606
5/11/2020​
23,566,133 2,540,473
5/12/2020​
26,413,565 2,847,432
5/13/2020​
29,605,044 3,191,479
5/14/2020​
33,182,141 3,577,097
5/15/2020​
37,191,449 4,009,308
5/16/2020​
41,685,191 4,493,742
5/17/2020​
46,721,900 5,036,708
5/18/2020​
52,367,180 5,645,280
5/19/2020​
58,694,564 6,327,384
5/20/2020​
65,786,469 7,091,905
5/21/2020​
73,735,269 7,948,800
5/22/2020​
82,644,502 8,909,232
5/23/2020​
92,630,213 9,985,711
5/24/2020​
103,822,470 11,192,257
5/25/2020​
116,367,057 12,544,587
5/26/2020​
130,427,373 14,060,316
5/27/2020​
146,186,558 15,759,185
5/28/2020​
163,849,883 17,663,325
5/29/2020​
183,647,420 19,797,537
5/30/2020​
205,837,040 22,189,619
5/31/2020​
230,707,770 24,870,731
 
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BassMan

Veteran Member
Using the John Hopkins daily data. Assuming 11% per day increases which has been recent history...down from 14% average for first 65 days and then 12% average for last few days and then 11% for last couple of days.

If the curve continues to flatten the increase will slow down and then hopefully begin to decline. But if it doesn't and the math continues to prove out then this is the future for the next 7-8 weeks. Doubling every 6-7 days.


DateUSA Projected
Confirmed Cases
Projected
Daily
Increase @11% per day
3/24/2020​
65,800 12,100
3/25/2020​
83,800 18,000
3/26/2020​
101,700 17,900
3/27/2020​
121,500 19,800
3/28/2020​
140,900 19,400
3/29/2020​
161,800 20,900
3/30/2020​
188,200 26,400
3/31/2020​
213,400 25,200
4/1/2020​
243,500 30,100
4/2/2020​
275,600 32,100
4/3/2020​
308,900 33,300
4/4/2020​
346,224 37,324
4/5/2020​
388,057 41,833
4/6/2020​
434,945 46,888
4/7/2020​
487,498 52,553
4/8/2020​
546,401 58,903
4/9/2020​
612,421 66,020
4/10/2020​
686,418 73,997
4/11/2020​
769,356 82,938
4/12/2020​
862,315 92,959
4/13/2020​
966,507 104,191
4/14/2020​
1,083,287 116,780
4/15/2020​
1,214,178 130,891
4/16/2020​
1,360,883 146,706
4/17/2020​
1,525,315 164,432
4/18/2020​
1,709,615 184,300
4/19/2020​
1,916,183 206,568
4/20/2020​
2,147,710 231,527
4/21/2020​
2,407,212 259,502
4/22/2020​
2,698,069 290,857
4/23/2020​
3,024,070 326,000
4/24/2020​
3,389,460 365,390
4/25/2020​
3,798,999 409,539
4/26/2020​
4,258,022 459,023
4/27/2020​
4,772,507 514,485
4/28/2020​
5,349,156 576,649
4/29/2020​
5,995,480 646,324
4/30/2020​
6,719,898 724,418
5/1/2020​
7,531,845 811,947
5/2/2020​
8,441,897 910,052
5/3/2020​
9,461,909 1,020,012
5/4/2020​
10,605,166 1,143,257
5/5/2020​
11,886,559 1,281,393
5/6/2020​
13,322,780 1,436,221
5/7/2020​
14,932,535 1,609,755
5/8/2020​
16,736,793 1,804,258
5/9/2020​
18,759,054 2,022,261
5/10/2020​
21,025,659 2,266,606
5/11/2020​
23,566,133 2,540,473
5/12/2020​
26,413,565 2,847,432
5/13/2020​
29,605,044 3,191,479
5/14/2020​
33,182,141 3,577,097
5/15/2020​
37,191,449 4,009,308
5/16/2020​
41,685,191 4,493,742
5/17/2020​
46,721,900 5,036,708
5/18/2020​
52,367,180 5,645,280
5/19/2020​
58,694,564 6,327,384
5/20/2020​
65,786,469 7,091,905
5/21/2020​
73,735,269 7,948,800
5/22/2020​
82,644,502 8,909,232
5/23/2020​
92,630,213 9,985,711
5/24/2020​
103,822,470 11,192,257
5/25/2020​
116,367,057 12,544,587
5/26/2020​
130,427,373 14,060,316
5/27/2020​
146,186,558 15,759,185
5/28/2020​
163,849,883 17,663,325
5/29/2020​
183,647,420 19,797,537
5/30/2020​
205,837,040 22,189,619
5/31/2020​
230,707,770 24,870,731



I am just an IT guy with some math background (not an epidemiologist). Still, the 2nd column matches the models I have seen from epidemiologists (Twitter), and recent published actuals.

The only thing I would note is that it looks like in June, you would reach the US population total, about 330K. At some point in May/June, I would expect a leveling off, allowing for hermits, those with natural immunity, and acquired immunity. ...and deaths.

Not sure how to factor-in reinfections, noted above by Countrymouse.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Looks like some field-engineered shelves with those bodies on it, in a truck rather than in a hallway. Interesting. Built by someone who had never built shelves before, from the look of it.

26822952-8188533-New_York_City_alone_made_up_757_of_the_state_s_788_new_deaths_an-a-61_1586064947424.jpg

The support 2x4's are installed on the wide side instead of on the edge which provides greater stability and support. Built by amateurs.

Texican....
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Using the John Hopkins daily data. Assuming 11% per day increases which has been recent history...down from 14% average for first 65 days and then 12% average for last few days and then 11% for last couple of days.

If the curve continues to flatten the increase will slow down and then hopefully begin to decline. But if it doesn't and the math continues to prove out then this is the future for the next 7-8 weeks. Doubling every 6-7 days.


DateUSA Projected
Confirmed Cases
Projected
Daily
Increase @11% per day
3/24/2020​
65,800 12,100
3/25/2020​
83,800 18,000
3/26/2020​
101,700 17,900
3/27/2020​
121,500 19,800
3/28/2020​
140,900 19,400
3/29/2020​
161,800 20,900
3/30/2020​
188,200 26,400
3/31/2020​
213,400 25,200
4/1/2020​
243,500 30,100
4/2/2020​
275,600 32,100
4/3/2020​
308,900 33,300
4/4/2020​
346,224 37,324
4/5/2020​
388,057 41,833
4/6/2020​
434,945 46,888
4/7/2020​
487,498 52,553
4/8/2020​
546,401 58,903
4/9/2020​
612,421 66,020
4/10/2020​
686,418 73,997
4/11/2020​
769,356 82,938
4/12/2020​
862,315 92,959
4/13/2020​
966,507 104,191
4/14/2020​
1,083,287 116,780
4/15/2020​
1,214,178 130,891
4/16/2020​
1,360,883 146,706
4/17/2020​
1,525,315 164,432
4/18/2020​
1,709,615 184,300
4/19/2020​
1,916,183 206,568
4/20/2020​
2,147,710 231,527
4/21/2020​
2,407,212 259,502
4/22/2020​
2,698,069 290,857
4/23/2020​
3,024,070 326,000
4/24/2020​
3,389,460 365,390
4/25/2020​
3,798,999 409,539
4/26/2020​
4,258,022 459,023
4/27/2020​
4,772,507 514,485
4/28/2020​
5,349,156 576,649
4/29/2020​
5,995,480 646,324
4/30/2020​
6,719,898 724,418
5/1/2020​
7,531,845 811,947
5/2/2020​
8,441,897 910,052
5/3/2020​
9,461,909 1,020,012
5/4/2020​
10,605,166 1,143,257
5/5/2020​
11,886,559 1,281,393
5/6/2020​
13,322,780 1,436,221
5/7/2020​
14,932,535 1,609,755
5/8/2020​
16,736,793 1,804,258
5/9/2020​
18,759,054 2,022,261
5/10/2020​
21,025,659 2,266,606
5/11/2020​
23,566,133 2,540,473
5/12/2020​
26,413,565 2,847,432
5/13/2020​
29,605,044 3,191,479
5/14/2020​
33,182,141 3,577,097
5/15/2020​
37,191,449 4,009,308
5/16/2020​
41,685,191 4,493,742
5/17/2020​
46,721,900 5,036,708
5/18/2020​
52,367,180 5,645,280
5/19/2020​
58,694,564 6,327,384
5/20/2020​
65,786,469 7,091,905
5/21/2020​
73,735,269 7,948,800
5/22/2020​
82,644,502 8,909,232
5/23/2020​
92,630,213 9,985,711
5/24/2020​
103,822,470 11,192,257
5/25/2020​
116,367,057 12,544,587
5/26/2020​
130,427,373 14,060,316
5/27/2020​
146,186,558 15,759,185
5/28/2020​
163,849,883 17,663,325
5/29/2020​
183,647,420 19,797,537
5/30/2020​
205,837,040 22,189,619
5/31/2020​
230,707,770 24,870,731

Roughly 230 Million by Memorial Day, one million cases 7 or 8 days from now, with New York City in free fall
Well, if you have a 1.2 kill rate versus the one tenth percent for the flu it means you will have the one doe from the flu and another 10? at 1.2 percent. If you get most of New York City's 8 million,say six million at 1 percent that is what 60,000? dead. I wonder what the time frame for that would be in NYC?
 

jward

passin' thru
CORONA - Main Coronavirus thread



It is estimated that nearly 30 percent of Americans own their own homes free and clear. Refer to below.

The banksters may try to foreclose on all of the home mortgages, but with the amount of new gun owners and the 100 million plus of existing gun owners, the banksters may find this will not work. Just how many LEO's will try to serve eviction notices when faced with an armed resistance? How many of the LEO's will tell the banksters to stuff their conviction notices where the sun does not shine. Remember, LEO's also have mortgages.

Will be interesting.

Texican....

www.doctorhousingbubble.com/americans-that-own-home-with-no-mortgage-free-and-clear/
The research starts out by pointing out that nearly 30 percent of Americans own their homes free and clear. Okay. But that isn't something new. In ... Americans are mortgaged to the hilt (at least your typical home buyer). ... Subscribe to Dr. Housing Bubble's Blog to get updated housing commentary, analysis, and information.

I don't see massive foreclosures- the gov is bending over back wards, thus far, to put safety nets into place for folks. In fact, it strikes me as an amazing amount of red tape has been cleared in a remarkably short time: unemployment adj, the insurance adjustments, the stimulus money the aid that goes to small businesses to help them and keep jobs available for folks to go back to...if anything, I think we are more likely to see the nation go far left as we all experience the best of having a nation in crisis and nanny daddy making it all better...
 

mourningdove

Pura Vida in my garden
I am watching Texas very closely. According to most models I have seen, our peak should be on May 6th.
in the last 24 hours we:
performed an additional 7,187 tests
added 702 positive cases
and 22 more deaths
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
OK this is my take and I'm prepared to be flamed, I appreciate the idea of flattening the curve by limiting infections by distancing etc etc thus reducing the demand on hospitals over a period of time. But I hear repeatedly from leaders such as Merkel and Johnson and others who presumably advised them that eventually 80% of the population of the world will be infected. They are saying that 80% infection is inevitable, I am not saying this will pan out as no-one including experts really knows.

So an 80% infection rate will happen no matter what measures are put in place, according to the PTB. I am not saying they are correct as no-one knows.

So why prolong the agony, let's get back to work without mass gatherings but on a local scale that will have little or no effect whatsoever on the spread of the disease.

If there were an 80% infection rate does it make any difference whether this is rapidly attained or not given the likelihood of a certain percentage of recoveries or death, except that the deaths will occur more rapidly.

The number of deaths as a percentage of those infected seems quite low except that the percentage infected is high compared with other outbreaks of this type of virus and others.
 
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marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZL1tKRnsgY
13:41 min
Trump Warns Of ‘Toughest’ Week Ahead As More Than 1,000 Die In US In 24 Hours | Sunday TODAY
•Apr 5, 2020


TODAY

More than 1,000 people died in the past 24 hours in the U.S. due to the coronavirus. President Donald Trump warns “there will be a lot of death” in the weeks to come. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says the peak could hit in a matter of days but fears New York City is not prepared. NBC’s Kathy Park and Kelly O'Donnell report for Sunday TODAY, and Dr. Calvin Sun and Chuck Todd join for analysis.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
The Coronavirus doesn't go away it re-emerges (5min)

View: https://youtu.be/K8vJCYIkByg
Does anyone else have any supporting documentation that supports what this video says in that once you catch this virus, even if you recover that it lies dormant in you waiting to strike again. Is it possible we carry it forever and when we get sick, week, old, it takes us out?
 

DennisD

Veteran Member
OK this is my take and I'm prepared to be flamed, I appreciate the idea of flattening the curve by limiting infections by distancing etc etc thus reducing the demand on hospitals over a period of time. But I hear repeatedly from leaders such as Merkel and Johnson and others who presumably advised them that eventually 80% of the population of the world will be infected. They are saying that 80% infection is inevitable, I am not saying this will pan out as no-one including experts really knows.

So an 80% infection rate will happen no matter what measures are put in place, according to the PTB. I am not saying they are correct as no-one knows.

So why prolong the agony, let's get back to work without mass gatherings but on a local scale that will have little or no effect whatsoever on the spread of the disease.

If there were an 80% infection rate does it make any difference whether this is rapidly attained or not given the likelihood of a certain percentage of recoveries or death, except that the deaths will occur more rapidly
Death rate is much higher in hospitals that are overwhelmed.
Even if the same number are infected in the long term, flatter curve equals fewer deaths. More ideal.
 

BassMan

Veteran Member
OK this is my take and I'm prepared to be flamed, I appreciate the idea of flattening the curve by limiting infections by distancing etc etc thus reducing the demand on hospitals over a period of time. But I hear repeatedly from leaders such as Merkel and Johnson and others who presumably advised them that eventually 80% of the population of the world will be infected. They are saying that 80% infection is inevitable, I am not saying this will pan out as no-one including experts really knows.

So an 80% infection rate will happen no matter what measures are put in place, according to the PTB. I am not saying they are correct as no-one knows.

So why prolong the agony, let's get back to work without mass gatherings but on a local scale that will have little or no effect whatsoever on the spread of the disease.

If there were an 80% infection rate does it make any difference whether this is rapidly attained or not given the likelihood of a certain percentage of recoveries or death, except that the deaths will occur more rapidly

Wouldn’t getting back to work equate to mass gatherings? Cubicle hell, crowded stores, etc.?

Separately, there are a lot of clinical studies for treatments ongoing, but they need time. Even intubation seems to need to be revisited, per a post above. More time still for vaccines.

If we just say “the hell with it” like the UK was originally talking about (then reversed), no time to develop treatments.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Pretty sure you provided your own answer in the first sentence...

Yes I know and people have said this before, but quite frankly it is not happening. The measures to flatten the curve have not worked and probably could not have given many social factors and the infectiousness of the virus.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
It's bolded in the article.

Did you follow the link?

At Maimonides, the Jews-only ambulance service Hatzalah has somehow gotten its hands on 50 ventilators and donated them to the Borough Park hospital. This donation comes with strings attached: Jews will get priority access, and in cases where an elderly Jewish patient is far gone and a young Gentile patient could be saved, the Jew must keep his ventilator indefinitely.

Click on the link... It says no such thing.

In fact, it says:

In the recording, Chasky Rosenberg, a paramedic with the service, said the hospital had agreed to put on a respirator every single patient regardless of age, or whether they have more than one chronic condition. Also, the hospital had agreed not to take patients off ventilators without consulting families. He did not respond to requests for comment.

“Maimonides has committed to us that as long as they have the equipment, they will intubate every single patient,” he said, using the medical term for inserting a tube into the airway, which is needed to connect a patient to a ventilator.
The patients had complained that the hospital’s apparent removal of patients from ventilators was not in line with their religious traditions, which prioritize the sanctity of life over the quality of life.




Amazing how quick some are to believe the worst in a certain group of people. Folks can justpost outright lies with no basis in reality and it is just believed, no matter how ridiculous it sounds...

:rolleyes:
 
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