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Report: India’s H-1B Companies Ask Labor Department to Let Foreign Workers Stay amid Crash
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In this Aug. 19, 2016 photo, young Indian entrepreneurs and freelancers work at Innov8, a lax co-working space in New Delhi, India. As India emerges as one of the biggest markets in the world for tech-based startups, workspaces are transforming from traditional and hierarchal, to relaxed and bar-like. With more …
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The India-based NASSCOM business lobby is asking the Department of Labor to help the lobby keep its huge workforce of Indian H-1B temporary workers in American jobs throughout the coronavirus crash, according to a report in the Times of India newspaper.

“Everyone that has been involved in the H1-B program … has skirted the rules to stay in the United States,” said one lobbyist. “These companies do not want to have to fire these [H-1B] workers and send them back home — they want to hold them here” so they can grab jobs in the recovery, he said.

Labor Department officials declined to provide any information about the NASSCOM lobbying and declined to say if the agency would help businesses change the paperwork that allows fired H-1Bs to stay in the United States. The Indian report did not say if the NASSCOM lobbyists met with Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia.

If the administration moves forward in relaxing regulations governing the H-1B program amid spiking unemployment, “get ready for the pitchforks,” said Kevin Lynn, founder of the U.S. Tech Workers group that opposes the H-1B program. “When people have nothing left to lose, they will lose it — and they will direct it at the elites.” He continued:
On March 27, a friend of mine was fired after giving an hour of “knowledge transfer” to her [H-1B] replacement who came from overseas. Now she’s unemployed at a time when ten million other Americans have filed for unemployment. She doesn’t get to participate in the American Dream. Instead of being a member of the middle class, she’s a member of the financially impoverished class. And in America, to be without a job means you’re out of the pecking order, you’re on the low run, and in American today, that could be years, if not decades. The pitchforks are coming out because people are nine meals away from revolution.
The NASSCOM business association asked Labor Secretary Scalia to allow their imported H-1B visa workers to work at home during the coronavirus epidemic, said the Times of India.

The request seems like a minor accommodation in the coronavirus epidemic. But it is political dynamite because any concessions will help the U.S. and Indian companies keep blocs of laid-off H1-B workers in the United States so they can take many good jobs when the nation climbs out of the coronavirus hole.

There is much evidence that President Trump recognizes the sensitivities of this issue. On April 2, his deputies reversed a plan to import more H-2B blue-collar workers in the crisis. The sudden reversal came after an April 1 press conference where Trump dodged two questions about white-collar visa workers.

NASSCOM’s request to change the H-1B process creates extra problems for politicians.

The H-1B is the largest of the many visa programs — OPT, H4EAD, L-1, TN, CPT, E-3, B-1, — which keep roughly one million Indian contract workers, plus more than 200,000 migrants from China and other countries, in a wide variety of white-collar jobs throughout the United States. Few of the H-1Bs are more skilled than American graduates, and most are rated as “Entry-Level” or “Qualified” workers in the H-1B process.

Roughly 100,000 new H-1B workers arrive each year. These contract workers have to go home after six years unless their U.S. employer nominates them for a green card.

CEOs like to tout payroll savings when they announce H-1B contracts to Wall Street stick-pickers. But the short-term savings are typically wiped out by lower productivity, lower innovation, higher training costs, and massive featherbedding among Indian contractors, say Americans who have helped import H1-B workers. CEOs ignore those long-term costs because they are principally trying to jack up stock values, said one person in an office which tracked the costs of H-1B workers.

But managers and human resources (HR) staff also like to import blocs of H-1Bs because they are too complacent to bother recruiting and managing independent and innovative American professionals, said other U.S. managers and tech workers. NASSCOM’s H-1Bs workers are an easy temptation for the MBAs who prefer to spend more weekend time on their boats, he said.
DoJ/EEOC do nothing as US & Indian execs trade US jobs to Indian #H1B workers, cutting Americans out of careers, homes & families.
This trade choked innovation in Silicon-V, slammed insurance & banking. #SenMikeLee & #S386 will expand it to healthcare Lawsuit: Managers Violated Americans' Civil Rights by Hiring H-1B Workers
— Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) March 9, 2020
There are at least four sides to the huge H-1B program, which is used by U.S. CEOs to keep about 900,000 foreign graduates in the jobs needed by the sons and daughters of America’s class of college graduates.

On the first side, major U.S. companies — including the companies’ Indian and Chinese managers — hire many, many H-1B workers. These companies include Microsoft, Google, Intel, Cisco, Facebook, Amazon, Citibank, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, and various banks. These elite companies tend to pay their H-1B workers well and to hire the H-1Bs from U.S. universities via the little-known “Occupational Practical Training” program. In fact, many American technology grads say Indian hiring managers prefer to fill their offices with Indians, not Americans.

Secondly, a large number of U.S. firms import H-1Bs to provide services to other companies. These U.S. staffing firms include Ernst & Young, PWC, and Deloitte.

Third, the India-based U.S. and Indian firms in NASSCOM use the H-1B program to operate a vast ecosystem of large, small, and very small staffing companies that keep hundreds of thousands of H-1Bs in gig-worker contract jobs throughout the United States. These NASSCOM H-1Bs are usually used as gig workers to quickly grab and keep large and small software contracts from Fortune 500 companies in the insurance, banking, manufacturing, software, and other sectors. For example, Genpact is part of NASSCOM, but it was created by U.S. investors to bring Indian labor into U.S. workplaces, including Walmart finance centers.

Lastly, many U.S. companies each import small numbers of H-1Bs to avoid hiring young American graduates. These employers include architecture, dental, design, media, therapy, and even fashion firms.
Govt data shows 1 million Indian contract-workers get white-collar jobs in tech, banking, health etc.
The Indian hiring ignores many EEOC laws & is expanding amid gov't & media silence.
It is a huge economic & career loss for US college grads.#S368 #H1B CEOs Keep 1 Million Indian Graduates in U.S. Jobs, Legally
— Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) February 17, 2020
All of these companies get their H-1B workers by first declaring they are needed at particular work sites. The declarations were made in the Labor Condition Application (LCA) documents that are rubber-stamped by the Labor Department under laws that forbid anything more than cursory checks.

So any close review of the LCAs will expose massive fraud by India-based companies, said one former manager at an Indian-run company.

For example, if an American company signs a contract for an Indian company to supply four workers for a three-year project, the Indian company will submit an LCA to the Labor Department declaring that 104 H-1Bs are needed at the American company, he said.

The next year, the company uses the inflated LCA to ask the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for 100 extra H-1Bs. A few months later, it gets about 40 H-1Bs from DHS. Those 40 H-1Bs are kept in India until the Indian company wins other software management contracts, he said. “They build up their inventory [of H-1Bs], and once the [H-1B] person is in the country, they can move them around the country. They have a mobile workforce that lives in apartments to undercut American companies that have to have an employee from one site to another. ”

This predatory strategy has wrecked the labor market for American software professionals, just as China’s hidden subsidies help Chinese manufacturing companies to push American factory workers out of jobs, he said.

The Indian companies are so contemptuous of the LCA process that they hire Indian workers for $4 an hour to fill masses of fake LCA documents, he added.
But the LCA process is the political foundation of the H-1B program — because it allows the companies and the media to pretend that the government agrees that no Americans are available to take the H-1B jobs.
Despite its importance, the LCA process is very inflexible. “Our H-1B system simply does not contemplate this [mass shutdown] scenario that is happening right now,” immigration lawyer Charles Kuck told Breitbart News.

The LCAs do not give employers the needed flexibility to flip their H-1Bs between working at Fortune 500 offices to their home offices. This means the NASSCOM companies may end up violating their LCAs when their Fortune 500 clients down their offices detailed in the LCAs because of the coronavirus.
“In order to ‘work from home’ a new H-1B would have to be filed with a new employer,” Kuck said. “There is no way around this. AND, if their ‘home’ is not in the same MSA as their H-1B, they would also need a new LCA, and thus a new filing of an amended H-1B if the employee remains with the employer.”

“If an employee works from a home which is within commuting distance of the workplace, then there is no need to file an amendment,” sais a post by Cyrus Mehta, a very pro-migration immigration lawyer. But, he added, “if an employee works from a home which is NOT within commuting distance from the workplace, the employer should obtain a new LCA for that location and file an H-1B amendment,” Mehta said.

The phrase “a new LCA for that location and file an H-1B amendment” means that the NASSCOM companies to file new applications at both the Department of Labor and the Department of Homeland Security.

The Labor Department has suggested it will relax the process.

A March 20 statement by the Labor Department says employers can move their workers home, providing they post a notice in the original workplace within 30 days:
Because OFLC [Office of Foreign Labor Certification at the Labor Department] acknowledges employers affected by the COVID-19 pandemic may experience various service disruptions, the notice will be considered timely when placed as soon as practical and no later than 30 calendar days after the worker begins work at the new work site locations. [Emphasis added]
Employers with an approved LCA may also move H-1B workers to unintended worksite locations outside of the area(s) of intended employment on the LCA using the short-term placement provisions. As required for all short-term placements, the employer’s placement must meet the requirements of 20 CFR 655.735.
But that apparent concession may be far too little for NASSCOM because the 20 CFR 655.735 rule says that the H-1Bs must be fired if they are kept at the alternative address for more than 60 days:
(2) Immediately terminate the placement of any H-1B nonimmigrant(s) who reaches the workday limit in an area of employment. No worker may exceed the workday limit within the one-year period specified in paragraph (d) of this section.
The Labor Department and DHS declined to answer questions from Breitbart News. But a department official provided this answer:
The Wage and Hour Division’s (WHD) enforcement of the labor provisions of the H-visa programs continues, and reflects our commitment to safeguard American jobs, level the playing field for law-abiding employers, and protect guest workers from being paid less than they are legally owed or otherwise working under substandard conditions. Workers or employers who have questions, or would like to file complaints with the Division should call 1-866-487-9243 or visit https://www.dol.gov/whd/. They will be directed to the nearest WHD office for assistance.
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NASSCOM’s lobbyists in Washington, DC, declined to respond to questions from Breitbart News.

The NASSCOM companies face a second big and expensive LCA-related problem — they are not allowed to stop paying their H-1B workers unless those workers have been formally laid-off.

But the NASSCOM companies do not want to lay off their H-1B workers because the law clearly says that laid-off workers must leave the United States in 60 days. If their workers are recognized as laid off, they exit the country and cannot be slotted back into their jobs as the economy recovers. But if those workers are not laid-off, the companies have to continue paying them as the rates stated in the LCA.

“The H-1B are REQUIRED, by law, to be paid there full wages, as listed on the LCA,” Kuck said, adding:
Any reduction in wages, in fact, makes the employer liable for the wage in a wage claim by the H-1B worker with the DOL. For an employer to reduce the wages of an H-1B (convert them to part-time), they have to file a new LCA, AND file an amendment with the USCIS, THEN they can reduce the wages go part-time (this can go very low, although how low, e.g. 2 hours, is unclear).
“An employer is not permitted to bench an H-1B worker for a temporary period due to economic hardships without risking liability for back wages and other draconian sanctions,” said Mehta. “If the employer decides to temporarily suspend employment, bench or furlough the employee, the required wage must still be paid notwithstanding the sudden economic downturn caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Bloomberg Law reported:
“Employers are required to pay H-1B workers the wage offered on the LCA, and that includes having to pay them for any nonproductive periods,” said Marketa Lindt, partner at Sidley Austin LLP’s labor, employment and immigration practice in Chicago. “Obviously we’re in a different environment, but the regulations are the regulations,” said Lindt, who also serves as president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
The NASSCOM companies can change their workers’ hour and pay by changing their LCAs, said Mehta. “Converting the employment from full time to part-time employment would be considered a material change as the employer must obtain a new LCA.”

Kuck says DHS can quickly solve the problem:
I think this [coronavirus shutdown] is more of a “we didn’t consider that scenario” kind of thing, rather than anything intentional. The fix is easy. Allow employers to Furlough H-1B workers WITHOUT accruing liability for their wages. Treat them the same as US workers. USCIS COULD issue an emergency reg on that tomorrow.
The third problem for the NASSCOM workforce is that fired H-1Bs must leave the country in 60 days, according to a January 2017 regulation.
The Times of India reported that NASSCOM as the labor department and DHS “for a 90-day grace period for professionals to depart the U.S. following expiration the H-1B [or] L-1 visas.”

NASSCOM’s push for a longer grace period is matched by a public petition for a 180-day grace period. “We request the government to temporarily extend the 60-Day grace period to 180 days and protect the H1B workers under these difficult times. Thank you!,” says the White House petition signed by almost 20,000 people. An Indian H-1B employer created the petition in New Jersey, and it says:
The Covid-19 situation is getting worse with massive lay-offs expected. The economic conditions may have a significant impact on H1B Workers.
Under regulations, H1B workers have a 60-Day grace period of unemployment time during each authorized validity period to stay in the USA legally. They must find new work within 60 days; otherwise, they have to leave the country. Most H1B workers are from India and can not travel home with children who are U.S Citizens as many nations announced an entry ban, including India.
H1B workers cater to the economy at large, mainly supporting the I.T Industry with high tax contributions.
H-1B contractors & fired visa-workers are lobbying Trump's admin so they can stay for 6 months to grab white-collar jobs in the coronavirus recovery.

US college grads lose out whenever complacent US execs. outsource hiring to India's labor brokers.#H1BIndia's Unemployed H-1B Workers Lobby White House to Stay in the U.S.
— Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) March 30, 2020
DHS declined to answer questions about the grace period.
But DHS officials are suggesting they may help the NASSCOM firms. A senior DHS official told an Indian reporter March 23:
Honestly, your H-1B telecommuting [working from home] question is a really good question that I have not been asked before, and that’s one I would want to check with USCIS before suggesting anything in any particular direction. We do — we are supporting, across the department, steps for safer working environments in light of the coronavirus, so I would be expecting to see that extended to the terms and conditions enforced with respect to H-1B visas. But having not dealt with that specific question before, I’d have to defer to USCIS on that. But again, it’s the same agency making those decisions as I — my previous question, and for those of you who don’t know, I was the [position] of USCIS before I took on the role of the acting deputy secretary for Homeland Security.
So I’m very familiar with that work, and I think you can expect to have a very reasonable consideration from USCIS in all of these sort of circumstances that are only caused by the coronavirus.
The current head of DHS, Chad Wolf, formerly served as a lobbyist for NASSCOM. Under his watch, DHS has continued the process to import another 85,000 H-1B workers into jobs, starting on October 1.

NASSCOM can use other loopholes in the complex immigration law to keep fired workers in the United States. “We have come across a few cases where people have lost their visa status and are advising them to apply for a B-1/B2 tourist visa which gets them six more months in the country legally,” Matthew Maiona, an immigration attorney at Boston-based Maiona Ward, told the Times of India.

The report by the Times of India included quotes from NASSCOM about European governments’ willingness to extend work permits for NASSCOM’s visa workers. “We are requesting for other operational waivers and proposing to the U.K. government to publish a web page including information for Indian nationals in the U.K.,” NASSCOM told the newspaper.

There is growing evidence on message boards, Twitter, and lawyers’ question-and-answer sites that many H-1Bs are being laid off by American and NASSCOM companies, alongside the American graduates who are being fired in the coronavirus crash.

But few or no U.S. companies or NASSCOM companies have announced that they are firing H-1B workers.

Instead, a review of online discussion boards shows many Indians who say they and their friends have been fired individually or in groups as large as 500, that they are being forced to take vacations, or that their 40-hour weeks are being cut to 32-hour weeks. In the Midwest, one major NASSCOM company has summarily fired the H-1Bs provided by its many Indian subcontractors, leaving those workers with no pay for their last three months of work, two sources told Breitbart News.

NASSCOM companies are trying to hide the mass layoffs, said another close observer of the H-1B economy. By hiding the layoffs, they can keep them in the United States to get new contracts and jobs when the recovery arrives, he said. “That’s what they want to do,” he told Breitbart News.

American professionals have organized to lobby against the H-1B program via the American Workers Coalition, U.S. TechWorkers, and ProUSworkers, and White Collar Workers of America.

The new TechsUnite.US site was created to help U.S. graduates anonymously collaborate while shielded by encryption.

In turn, these groups are backed up by a few sites that track the scale and location of the outsourcing industry in each legislator’s district. The sites include SAITJ.org and H1BFacts.com. Other sites document the conflicts created by diverse foreign business practices in the United States. The non-political MyVisaJobs.com site also provides much information about H-1B outsourcing and green card rewards in multiple industries.

Breitbart News has spoken to many Americans who have been sidelined by the H-1B program.

“Fiona” lives in Florida, and she earned two college degrees in the early 2000s after she left the real estate industry following the 2007 collapse. Since then, she has worked a series of contract jobs, most recently at a seven-month stint at an insurance company run by an imported workforce of H-1B workers from India. She said her job ended when she was forced out by Indian managers, in part, because of her excellent performance reviews embarrassed her Indian office peers.

She is in her 50s, has been unemployed for several months, and fears the Indian-dominated recruiting business will blackball her if she speaks on the record.

She told Breitbart News, “I’m not eligible for unemployment. So I have lived off my savings, and I’m living with my son. I’m still applying for jobs, but they’re very few and far between. I can’t relocate again because when they cut my contract job, I had to cut my lease off early, so now, my credit is bad. My lease history is bad. I can’t go and take the risks that I did before. I was getting ready to go and look for a minimum wage job until this coronavirus came here, you know. Come next month, you know what? I can’t pay my bills because I’ve gone for like eight months on my savings.”

She added, “To be honest with you, I have given up on American companies. I have given up on being able to be hired by America because I’m American, and Americans don’t matter. And I’m sorry I’m going to get a little bit emotional here … Americans don’t matter. I hear politicians, you know, saying, ‘Okay, you know what? We’re going to open our borders, and you can have free health …’ I don’t have health insurance. You know, Americans don’t matter. All that matters is foreign workers. All that matters is if the foreign individuals … I mean, it’s like we don’t matter. America doesn’t matter.”

In the 2016 election, Trump tried to win votes from college graduates who have been struck by the H-1B program. In March 2016, after much zig-zagging, Trump declared:
The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.
Trump has not fulfilled that campaign promise, said Lynn, adding, “We’ll know President Trump is doing his job when someone here on H-1B trains an American on his job after his visa has expired.”
US graduates are being fired by US companies that employ H-1B visa workers & H-1B subcontractors.
So far, there's nothing in the draft coronavirus $ bills to require companies which get taxpayer $s to reduce visa workers before firing Americans.#H1BU.S. Graduates Expect Mass Layoffs as Companies Keep Hiring H-1B Visa Workers
— Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) March 24, 2020
 

marsh

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Pharmacists See Spike in Threats and Violence During Coronavirus Pandemic

A security guard mans the doors of a Boots pharmacy as members of the public observe social distancing outside, in Wood Green, north London on March 27, 2020, after Britain's government ordered a lockdown to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus COVID-19. - Britain is under lockdown, it's population …TOLGA AKMEN/AFP via Getty Images

VICTORIA FRIEDMAN3 Apr 2020149

Pharmacists in the UK have said that violence and threats have increased, with major high street chain Boots installing protective perspex guards at tills in thousands of stores.

The pharmacists have observed tensions worsening since the implementation of social distancing and the lockdown. Customers have become agitated with having to wait outside before being permitted entry to reduce overcrowding, and with GP surgeries closed and shortages of basic medicines, they have begun to take out their frustration on the frontline workers.

In one instance in Stratford, London, a customer smashed a glass door and threatened to kill staff. Police are now patrolling near several pharmacies across the country after reports of a rise in threats of violence and verbal abuse towards employees, reports The Guardian.

“Staff have been told: ‘I hope you get the virus’ or ‘I hope you die from coronavirus’ multiple times per day,” one pharmaceutical professional said. The Royal Pharmaceutical Society in Wales also said some of their members have complained of “being verbally abused and even spat at”.

Good heavens. UK Lockdown Chaos: 'Youths' Fire Bomb Food Delivery Vans

— Breitbart News (@BreitbartNews) March 25, 2020

Pharmacists are not on the government’s list of key medical workers, so miss out on the state rationing of personal protection equipment (PPE). Larger chains have had to step in to send masks, gloves, and gowns to their staff to protect them as they encounter hundreds of people every day, some of whom may be carrying Chinese coronavirus.

In reaction to the spike in incivility, Boots has launched the #PrescribeKindness campaign. The UK’s largest beauty and medicines retailer has also sent perspex screens to 2,500 of its stores as well as 20,000 light-weight, mobile screens to keep their staff safe both from contagion but also from violent customers.

National Health Service (NHS) staff are also subject to muggings and abuse since the start of the pandemic. Nurses were advised this week not to wear their uniforms in public after some had been verbally abused, spat at, and called “disease spreaders”. The week before, they were told to hide their identity badges and NHS-branded lanyards as criminals were mugging them for the items which, when shown at some retailers, gives them access to early shopping hours and even free food and drink.

In other crimes against medical services, Mark Manley was sentenced to six months in prison on Thursday for stealing PPE equipment including masks out of an ambulance in London. In March vandals drilled holes in the tires of six ambulances in East Kent, and thieves stole precious oxygen canisters from a hospital in Manchester last month.

NHS Nurses Banned from Wearing Uniforms in Public After Abuse NHS Nurses Banned from Wearing Uniforms in Public After Abuse

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) March 31, 2020
 

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GOV. BROWN (Oregon) NEEDLESSLY SHUTS DOWN ONLINE CHARTER SCHOOLS
By In the news
Friday March 27, 2020


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The ever vigilant Willamette Week first reported that Gov. Brown has shut down online public charter schools as part of Executive Order #20-08 in response to the Coronavirus outbreak. Online schools can only provide supplemental projects and not resume full courses.

Online schools should be heralded as a saving grace in this crisis not the problem!

Since the story broke, the Department of Education has come forward indicating that some online public charter schools may continue and some cannot. New Oregon regulations determining who can teach online and who can’t are to appear next week. Should not this be the decision of the local school?

Lars Larson made a great comment on this;

“Governor Kate Brown closed the brick n mortar schools but online schools serving thousands of students assumed they would stay in business. Then my colleagues at Willamette Week broke the story yesterday…online schools, perfectly designed to protect students, had to shut down too.

Now the Brown administration is scrambling to spin the story. Of course you can keep operating…but only if you extend services to all. The problem is…as former state rep Jeff Kropf explains, the online school he’s helping has taken on 300 new students in recent weeks…and has 1600 more waiting to get in right now. Brown’s education czar, Colt Gill, must approve it…and he hasn’t.

Teachers unions know that if parents and students get a taste of the high quality and safety of online schooling…they might not come back. And if they stay away…so do the dollar signs attached to each of your kids. Labor unions know that…and union sock puppets like Governor Brown know it too. “
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I agree China lied and people died. But, how was I while working a full time job and checking some secondary sights and following leaked Youtube video’s smuggled out of China able to determine the massive lie in China in Wuhan by Christmas and by the end of the first week in January see it was not being contained and posed a real threat here. I also pointed out at least a couple of times that the reports of no impact to infants or children didn’t match images from China.
I and many others here could see the same thing but for some reason it seems Nobody in the US government could Figure This Same Thing out?
Are the career intelligence types at the Chinese desk so freakin incompetent they missed all of this, or is it staffed by CCP spies and plants, or was the information squelched by deep state managers and directors who are incompetent or worse hid the information from the President for other reasons. I would seriously like to know. And at some point both the WHO believing CDC and the satellite gazing intel types need to identify and address the massive failures at all levels of the government.
And to you demo types, while the fires were sweeping to US shores you clowns were fiddling your bullstuff fake impeachment.
And many in the country want to hand this crapshow more power and more control! Are you insane?

I completely agree. If this information was readily and freely available to anyone reading this thread from the beginning, it was freely and readily available to the CDC and those in the gov't. There is no excuse for their getting it wrong when the information was out there.

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I agree China lied and people died.

But, how was I while working a full time job and checking some secondary sights and following leaked Youtube video’s smuggled out of China able to determine the massive lie in China in Wuhan by Christmas and by the end of the first week in January see it was not being contained and posed a real threat here. I also pointed out at least a couple of times that the reports of no impact to infants or children didn’t match images from China.

I and many others here could see the same thing but for some reason it seems Nobody in the US government could Figure This Same Thing out?

Are the career intelligence types at the Chinese desk so freakin incompetent they missed all of this, or is it staffed by CCP spies and plants, or was the information squelched by deep state managers and directors who are incompetent or worse hid the information from the President for other reasons.

I would seriously like to know. And at some point both the WHO believing CDC and the satellite gazing intel types need to identify and address the massive failures at all levels of the government.

And to you demo types, while the fires were sweeping to US shores you clowns were fiddling your bullstuff fake impeachment.

And many in the country want to hand this crapshow more power and more control! Are you insane?

Squid, This whole China/Coronavirus/pandemic/stock market crash was planned and implemented by the CABAL.

They have been trying to oust Trump since before he took office. We all watched for the last 3 years as one after the other the traitors were ferreted out, FBI Director, CIA Director, Ambassadors, intel analyst , federal prosecutors, Hollywood, foreign governments, etc...and the complicit MSM has lied, cheated, and stole to make him look stupid and a greedy womanizer.

You asked "Are the career intelligence types at the Chinese desk so freakin incompetent they missed all of this?" NO they intentionally lied. What is worse so did Dr. Fuacci, the CDC and the WHO. We knew, it was discussed here every minute of every day from January through March. They knew... But they hate Trump and US so much they were and are willing to kill off (probably every single conservative) a portion of the world to make Trump look as if he is incompetent.

The President doesn't get to walk among us. He doesn't get to see his confidants. He relies on briefings that he gets every morning. Just as Comey, Brenner, McCabe, and Obama lied right to his face so did the CDC, the WHO and every other medical professional he talked to. What do the Trump haters post first? "Trump said it was no worse than the flu" and the MSM parrots the same lies. The lies he was told in those briefings. Once he figured out something was going on he took the lead and made decisions. To this day look at Dr. Fuacci's disrespect for President Trump.

Every bit of this pandemic, financial crash, shut down, food shortages, etc... is laid at the feet of Obama, Pelosi, MSM, CDC, WHO, etc... They cut off their nose to spite their face.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Bumping this post because this could be the cure. It's not a vaccine, it's an injection of antibodies that prevent the virus from making you sick. It can be used both as a preventative efore you get sick and as a cure after you get sick. It works relatively fast, (same day), unlike a vaccine that once you get it may take months to take hold in your body to be effective. It needs to go through the testing and approvals and won't be available until Sept-Oct, but hopefully it will be ready before the second wave hits. When/if this is made readily available, this nightmare will be over. At least we now know there may be a light at the end of this tunnel. Thank you Marsh for posting about this.

HD


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/doctor-portrayed-pandemic-may-have-covid-19-cure
Biotech CEO Featured In 'Pandemic' Documentary May Have COVID-19 Cure
Fri, 04/03/2020 - 17:40

A San Francisco biotech executive featured in the Netflix documentary "Pandemic" announced this week that he and his team may have a cure for coronavirus which is headed to the US military for testing.



Dr. Jacob Glanville of Distributed Bio tweeted on Tuesday that after nine weeks, "we have generated extremely potent picomolar antibodies that block known #neutralizing #ACE2 #epitopes, blocking the novel #coronavirus from infecting human cells."

"I’m happy to report that my team has successfully taken five antibodies that back in 2002 were determined to bind and neutralize, block and stop the SARS virus," he told Radio New Zealand's "Checkpoint" - adding "We’ve evolved them in our laboratory, so now they very vigorously block and stop the SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19] virus as well."

When asked directly over Twitter if it's a cure, Glanville replied that it's a "Candidate cure" which requires validation tests and human trials before it can be released.

Glanville says that the treatment could be 'out by September,' however he will need 'funding and efficient GMP manufacturing.'

The antibodies will be sent to the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases according to Fox News.

ETA: two youtube interviews with the scientist discussing this breakthrough

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDBVwqNOBXY

Covid 19 antibodies breakthrough made in San Francisco
13 min 37 sec

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV-nWT2VLuI

Interview: California scientist says his team has discovered a potential COVID-19 cure
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bassgirl

Veteran Member
Dear Library Lady---

Do you remember ANOTHER fallen flag?

The 2012 summer Olympics, as the US tennis medals (the US had won the gold) were being awarded at Wimbledon---

just as the music came to the phrase "gave proof through the night that our flag was still there"-- AT THAT MOMENT---it fell and dropped to the ground.

You can hear the horrified gasps and "Oh!"s of the crowd.........

Video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if1qCfMsy_A
Interesting...plus the solar eclipse last hear? 7 years in total from that one is another one that cuts right across our nation again.

Many felt that eclipse was a harbinger due to a lot of astronomical events happening around that time...The sign of the woman in revelation etc.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
Uh-huh... Chrome dome, ivory tower... IQ does NOT connote wisdom, of and by itself... No food or meds for two weeks, even supposing most people can't, don't, or won't be stocked up? Not bloody likely...

Where do they get these morons???

OA
If a person or family doesn't have two weeks worth of food and meds by now then they are ignorant beyond measure... Even the dumbest sheep are paying attention!
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Going to post a link to an article at Breitbart. Tried to post it but the thing is so long I was going to have to cut it up into a couple of three parts to get it on. Thought it was really good and worth the read, with tons of pictures. Very sad.

Title: Mastrangelo: Answers to Italy’s Complex Coronavirus Question

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Why coronavirus is running rampant in Michigan prisons

Paul Egan and Angie Jackson, Detroit Free Press

As the often deadly coronavirus spreads through Michigan prisons, no hot spot is hotter than Parnall Correctional Facility near Jackson.

As of noon Saturday, 90 prisoners there had tested positive for COVID-19, dozens more were in quarantine because of exposure, and staff and prisoners at the 1,700-bed facility were saying the outbreak is much worse than the numbers show.

"We don't have the option of 'social distancing' and are rightfully worried and scared," said Rich Sherwood, 41, who lives in a low-security pod with seven other prisoners and has less than eight months to serve to be eligible for release on his cocaine trafficking conviction.

Parnall has more cases inside its walls than all of Jackson County, where the prison is located and which had only 81 cases as of Saturday.

Though Parnall stands out, prisoners, corrections officers and family members predict the infection rate not just there, but at 28 other prisons around the state, will continue to worsen, unless the Corrections Department quickly addresses a host of problems common across the system. They include:

  • Inadequate screening of prison employees: Several officers across the system say the no-touch thermometers used to screen them when they arrive to work give wildly varying and inaccurate readings. At the Thumb Correctional Facility in Lapeer, officers are crowded into a small lobby as they wait to have their temperatures taken, said Corrections Officer LaRonda Velaga. She just learned the prison employee who was taking their temperatures has tested positive for COVID-19, but she and other officers he screened will not be tested or sent home because prison officials say they were not in close contact with him for a 30-minute time period.
  • Lack of testing: Officers say if they are experiencing mild symptoms, they can only go into the community to seek testing, where they are no more prioritized or successful in getting tested than anyone else. For prisoners to get tested, they must be showing severe symptoms, officers say.
  • Prisoners hiding symptoms: The lack of testing is compounded by the fact many prisoners hide symptoms of possible COVID-19 because they don't want to be removed from their cells, lose privileges such as phone calls and emails, and be placed in quarantine with other prisoner who very likely are sick. "If I were to report symptoms, they would make all eight of us in my little cube pack up," Sherwood said. "This pisses everyone off as we all run the risk of being disconnected with our loved ones."
  • Ongoing transfers: Prisoners continue to be transferred from one prison to another, even after they have tested positive for COVID-19 or have bunked with someone who has. Particularly concerning to many prison employees and prisoners is the fact that many prisoners from around the state who test positive for the virus are being moved to one unit at G. Robert Cotton Correctional Facility near Jackson, which as of Friday morning still had no positive cases of its own.
  • Ongoing classes and other programs: With schools shut down across Michigan since March 13, prison teachers and officers express anger and frustration at the fact classes and other group programs continue at most Michigan prisons. Prison officials say they want to keep prisoners active and calm while preparing them for parole as quickly as possible and they have cut class sizes in half to increase social distancing.
  • Lack of personal protective equipment: The department recently made it mandatory for all staff and prisoners to wear face masks at all times. But the masks, hand-sewn by prisoners from the polyester material used to make prison uniforms, are flimsy, hot and hard to breathe through, Velaga and other officers say. It's not clear how much protection they give, and, until recently, officers were prohibited from bringing their own masks, such as N95s, to work.
  • Lack of cleaning: Though prison officials say they have stepped up prison cleaning and are allowing prisoners to use bleach, which has in the past been banned as a potential hazard that could be thrown at officers, prisoners say they still lack sufficient cleaning supplies and the bleach made available to them is too watered-down to be effective.
As of Saturday, there were 206 COVID-19 cases at nine Michigan prisons, which is more than double the 92 cases on Tuesday. Macomb Correctional Facility in Lenox Township had the second-most cases, with 46, followed by Lakeland Correctional Facility in Coldwater, with 25, and Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility near Ypsilanti, with 24.

There were also 47 cases among Corrections Department employees, as of Friday. One of those employees, Damon Burton, an officer at the Detroit Reentry Center, died from the coronavirus on Tuesday.The department announced Saturday that a second employee, a word processing assistant at the Lahser District Probation Office in Detroit, had died of complications of COVID-19.

Byron Osborn, the president of the Michigan Corrections Organization, said he is sympathetic to prison officials because it is extremely difficult to control the spread of coronavirus inside a prison, once it gets there.

Still, they need to do better, he said.

When officers are screened before going to work, "the temperature readings are wildly inaccurate, which we believe in some instances puts staff and prisoners in jeopardy," Osborn said.

The department announced March 13 it had banned visits and begun staff screening.

Until this week, officers who gave a temperature reading of 100.4 or higher were turned away but invited to try again the next day. Now, officers who are running a temperature must stay away from work for seven days, using their own leave time, Osborn said. Either way, it is a problem if the temperature readings cannot be trusted, and staffing levels are too low for officers to be staying home unnecessarily, he said.

Officers, through their union, have called for better personal protection equipment, hazard pay, and COVID-19-related sick pay. Late Saturday, hazard pay for officers of about $75 per work day was approved, Osborn said. But that is roughly offset by the fact officers have to use their existing sick leave when they are sent home due to exposure, usually not because they are sick, but as a precaution, he said.

Chris Gautz, a spokesman for the Michigan Department of Corrections, said the spread of COVID-19 at Parnall is mostly because of the "highly contagious nature of this virus."

He said employees are told to wait in the lobby for 10 minutes, with their hats off, before their temperatures are taken, in order to regulate their body temperatures and ensure more accurate readings. He said employees are told to remain 6 feet apart. As for Velaga's concerns about the employee who was taking officers' temperatures testing positive for COVID-19, that brief screening is not considered contact close enough to require testing, he said.

"The shortage of available testing in the community is ... a problem," Gautz said. "We have had employees try to get tested and have been turned away by their hospital, only to find out later they did test positive once they were finally able to get a test. It’s not their fault."

The enhanced screening introduced this week — under which any employee showing a temperature is sent home for a week — plus the three prison-manufactured masks each employee and prisoner will soon have should help, he said.

"We have also heard of problems with prisoners hiding their symptoms because they don’t want to go to quarantine," Gautz said.

In fact, the first Michigan prisoner to die and later test positive for COVID-19, Parnall prisoner Joe Kearney, 55, "never told health care he was feeling sick or was having symptoms," before he was found unresponsive in his cell and rushed to the hospital, Gautz said.

Kearney, who was serving time for a home invasion in Washtenaw County, died Wednesday. The Free Press was not immediately able to reach his family.

A message was sent to all prisoners this week urging them to notify health care if they are sick, he said. A $5 co-pay prisoners are normally charged is being waived for anything related to the coronavirus, he said.

"This is a life and death situation. Being put in quarantine for a short period of time is a small price to pay if it means saving your life or that of someone around you."

On Friday, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer issued an executive order that said anyone who tests positive for COVID-19, or who displays a symptom such as fever, or an unusual cough or shortness of breath, should stay home and can't be punished for not going to work.

However, prison workers were exempted from the order. Whitmer's office did not respond to an emailed message asking why.

Prisoners say they feel like sitting ducks, waiting for the coronavirus to overtake them.

Parnall prisoner John Mannion said he tested positive for COVID-19 on Tuesday after another prisoner in his cube was earlier confirmed to have the virus.

After his cubemate tested positive, Mannion was quarantined with other potentially exposed inmates in another part of the prison, prior to his diagnosis. After his test came back positive, the department moved him to a housing unit at the neighboring 1,800-bed G. Robert Cotton Correctional Facility, where he said he is isolated with about 80 others who have the virus. The building housing them, which is separate from the rest of the prison, has mostly two-man cells, with a few single-man cells.

Mannion, 36, said he has suffered from body aches and fevers and has been given Tylenol. He said in an email that prisoners in the unit are told to stay on their bunks unless they need to use the bathroom. He said it has taken him days to get access to a shower and a change of clothes.

He suspects that half the prisoners at Parnall are sick but that some are too afraid to report their symptoms.

“This is a scary thing. I committed a crime and I am serving my sentence, but death is not part of my sentence,” said Mannion, whose earliest release date on an armed robbery conviction in Oakland County is August 2021, according to Department of Corrections records.

“They placed me in a situation that got me sick. They are making this up as they go and have no protocol to help us. Parnall is failing us, (their) officers and society.”

Sherwood said he has no symptoms and has not been tested, but he hears or sees ambulances arrive daily and "can't help but wonder who is in the back of it and who is next."

He said he knows of at least 20 prisoners who are showing symptoms but have not reported them over a variety of fears that include loss of privileges such as using the phone.

"This is WAY bigger than what people think," Sherwood said in an email. "We've been sick in here for days, some of us for weeks, and are scared to say anything," and, "I feel like we are being discarded as human beings and nobody is investigating."

At Parnall, more than half of the prisoners are housed in three pole barns, where eight prisoner cubes are separated by partial walls that do not reach the ceiling.

As groups including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan and the American Friends Service Committee push for Whitmer to use her executive powers to immediately release many state prisoners, including those like Sherwood who are close to their earliest release date, the situation at Parnall highlights a complication.

Should it be assumed every prisoner has been exposed and could be carrying the virus, even if not showing symptoms? What quarantine arrangements should be made to ensure all releases to the community are done safely?

Heather Moore, whose husband is an inmate at Parnall, said many of those he has spoken with, even if not experiencing fever or shortness of breath, have described other symptoms associated with the coronavirus, such as loss of the senses of taste or smell.

“There must be a push for safe and fair release, with intentional effort,” Moore said Saturday.

“Allowing the prisons to become saturated with the virus affects the safety of the staff, inmates and society. We are all connected and are all affected together, regardless of the fence.”

Velaga, the corrections officer at the Thumb Correctional Facility, said officers share many of the prisoners' concerns.

"We are afraid that it is spreading inside the facilities, and we are not informed," she said Friday. "Our biggest concern is we are going to take this home to our families."

Heightening concerns for Velaga is the amount of movement and mixing still occurring at the prison where she works, with prisoners still going to classes and the prison library, for example.

"There is no 6 feet away," she said.

Gautz said officials "cut class sizes in half and have the students sit farther apart than normal with more desks in between them." He said there are now typically six to eight students per class.

Transfers between prisons, which are normally fairly common and can happen for a variety of reasons, including changes in a prisoner's security level, are now rare, Gautz said.

"The only prisoners being moved are ones going to the hospital, prisoners being sent to a place like Cotton, or if they need to be moved for protection or some special and unique reason," he said.

There are also big concerns at the Macomb Correctional Facility, which has the second-most cases, after Parnall.

Temujin Kensu, 56, an activist prisoner at the Macomb prison who is serving life for a 1986 murder in St. Clair County he says he did not commit, said he believes the problem at his facility is also much larger than the numbers show.

"They keep moving sick people all around, just spreading the disease throughout the compound," Kensu said in an email.

With no visits, a lack of nutritious food, unsanitary conditions and pervasive fear and sickness, "this is a recipe for disaster," especially since it does not appear the pandemic will end any time soon, he said.

Gautz said access to phone calls and messaging during quarantines or the near-lockdown measures in place at Macomb are being addressed.

Initially at Parnall, prisoners were being quarantined in the gym, where there were no phones or email kiosks, he said. Prisoners are now being quarantined back in the units, and have access to communications, he said.

Other facilities are working on securing portable phones and other means to provide communications, Gautz said.

As for cleaning, in addition to allowing the use of bleach, "we ramped up production at our prison factory in Detroit, which makes the prisoner soap and cleaning supplies for all our facilities, and those are distributed constantly around the state," he said.

 

raven

TB Fanatic
it is always a good idea, right about now, to remind everyone

"there is very little on the internet that they don;t want you to find"
Why coronavirus is running rampant in Michigan prisons

Paul Egan and Angie Jackson, Detroit Free Press

As the often deadly coronavirus spreads through Michigan prisons, no hot spot is hotter than Parnall Correctional Facility near Jackson.

As of noon Saturday, 90 prisoners there had tested positive for COVID-19, dozens more were in quarantine because of exposure, and staff and prisoners at the 1,700-bed facility were saying the outbreak is much worse than the numbers show.

"We don't have the option of 'social distancing' and are rightfully worried and scared," said Rich Sherwood, 41, who lives in a low-security pod with seven other prisoners and has less than eight months to serve to be eligible for release on his cocaine trafficking conviction.

Parnall has more cases inside its walls than all of Jackson County, where the prison is located and which had only 81 cases as of Saturday.

Though Parnall stands out, prisoners, corrections officers and family members predict the infection rate not just there, but at 28 other prisons around the state, will continue to worsen, unless the Corrections Department quickly addresses a host of problems common across the system. They include:

  • Inadequate screening of prison employees: Several officers across the system say the no-touch thermometers used to screen them when they arrive to work give wildly varying and inaccurate readings. At the Thumb Correctional Facility in Lapeer, officers are crowded into a small lobby as they wait to have their temperatures taken, said Corrections Officer LaRonda Velaga. She just learned the prison employee who was taking their temperatures has tested positive for COVID-19, but she and other officers he screened will not be tested or sent home because prison officials say they were not in close contact with him for a 30-minute time period.
  • Lack of testing: Officers say if they are experiencing mild symptoms, they can only go into the community to seek testing, where they are no more prioritized or successful in getting tested than anyone else. For prisoners to get tested, they must be showing severe symptoms, officers say.
  • Prisoners hiding symptoms: The lack of testing is compounded by the fact many prisoners hide symptoms of possible COVID-19 because they don't want to be removed from their cells, lose privileges such as phone calls and emails, and be placed in quarantine with other prisoner who very likely are sick. "If I were to report symptoms, they would make all eight of us in my little cube pack up," Sherwood said. "This pisses everyone off as we all run the risk of being disconnected with our loved ones."
  • Ongoing transfers: Prisoners continue to be transferred from one prison to another, even after they have tested positive for COVID-19 or have bunked with someone who has. Particularly concerning to many prison employees and prisoners is the fact that many prisoners from around the state who test positive for the virus are being moved to one unit at G. Robert Cotton Correctional Facility near Jackson, which as of Friday morning still had no positive cases of its own.
  • Ongoing classes and other programs: With schools shut down across Michigan since March 13, prison teachers and officers express anger and frustration at the fact classes and other group programs continue at most Michigan prisons. Prison officials say they want to keep prisoners active and calm while preparing them for parole as quickly as possible and they have cut class sizes in half to increase social distancing.
  • Lack of personal protective equipment: The department recently made it mandatory for all staff and prisoners to wear face masks at all times. But the masks, hand-sewn by prisoners from the polyester material used to make prison uniforms, are flimsy, hot and hard to breathe through, Velaga and other officers say. It's not clear how much protection they give, and, until recently, officers were prohibited from bringing their own masks, such as N95s, to work.
  • Lack of cleaning: Though prison officials say they have stepped up prison cleaning and are allowing prisoners to use bleach, which has in the past been banned as a potential hazard that could be thrown at officers, prisoners say they still lack sufficient cleaning supplies and the bleach made available to them is too watered-down to be effective.
As of Saturday, there were 206 COVID-19 cases at nine Michigan prisons, which is more than double the 92 cases on Tuesday. Macomb Correctional Facility in Lenox Township had the second-most cases, with 46, followed by Lakeland Correctional Facility in Coldwater, with 25, and Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility near Ypsilanti, with 24.

There were also 47 cases among Corrections Department employees, as of Friday. One of those employees, Damon Burton, an officer at the Detroit Reentry Center, died from the coronavirus on Tuesday.The department announced Saturday that a second employee, a word processing assistant at the Lahser District Probation Office in Detroit, had died of complications of COVID-19.

Byron Osborn, the president of the Michigan Corrections Organization, said he is sympathetic to prison officials because it is extremely difficult to control the spread of coronavirus inside a prison, once it gets there.

Still, they need to do better, he said.

When officers are screened before going to work, "the temperature readings are wildly inaccurate, which we believe in some instances puts staff and prisoners in jeopardy," Osborn said.

The department announced March 13 it had banned visits and begun staff screening.

Until this week, officers who gave a temperature reading of 100.4 or higher were turned away but invited to try again the next day. Now, officers who are running a temperature must stay away from work for seven days, using their own leave time, Osborn said. Either way, it is a problem if the temperature readings cannot be trusted, and staffing levels are too low for officers to be staying home unnecessarily, he said.

Officers, through their union, have called for better personal protection equipment, hazard pay, and COVID-19-related sick pay. Late Saturday, hazard pay for officers of about $75 per work day was approved, Osborn said. But that is roughly offset by the fact officers have to use their existing sick leave when they are sent home due to exposure, usually not because they are sick, but as a precaution, he said.

Chris Gautz, a spokesman for the Michigan Department of Corrections, said the spread of COVID-19 at Parnall is mostly because of the "highly contagious nature of this virus."

He said employees are told to wait in the lobby for 10 minutes, with their hats off, before their temperatures are taken, in order to regulate their body temperatures and ensure more accurate readings. He said employees are told to remain 6 feet apart. As for Velaga's concerns about the employee who was taking officers' temperatures testing positive for COVID-19, that brief screening is not considered contact close enough to require testing, he said.

"The shortage of available testing in the community is ... a problem," Gautz said. "We have had employees try to get tested and have been turned away by their hospital, only to find out later they did test positive once they were finally able to get a test. It’s not their fault."

The enhanced screening introduced this week — under which any employee showing a temperature is sent home for a week — plus the three prison-manufactured masks each employee and prisoner will soon have should help, he said.

"We have also heard of problems with prisoners hiding their symptoms because they don’t want to go to quarantine," Gautz said.

In fact, the first Michigan prisoner to die and later test positive for COVID-19, Parnall prisoner Joe Kearney, 55, "never told health care he was feeling sick or was having symptoms," before he was found unresponsive in his cell and rushed to the hospital, Gautz said.

Kearney, who was serving time for a home invasion in Washtenaw County, died Wednesday. The Free Press was not immediately able to reach his family.

A message was sent to all prisoners this week urging them to notify health care if they are sick, he said. A $5 co-pay prisoners are normally charged is being waived for anything related to the coronavirus, he said.

"This is a life and death situation. Being put in quarantine for a short period of time is a small price to pay if it means saving your life or that of someone around you."

On Friday, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer issued an executive order that said anyone who tests positive for COVID-19, or who displays a symptom such as fever, or an unusual cough or shortness of breath, should stay home and can't be punished for not going to work.

However, prison workers were exempted from the order. Whitmer's office did not respond to an emailed message asking why.

Prisoners say they feel like sitting ducks, waiting for the coronavirus to overtake them.

Parnall prisoner John Mannion said he tested positive for COVID-19 on Tuesday after another prisoner in his cube was earlier confirmed to have the virus.

After his cubemate tested positive, Mannion was quarantined with other potentially exposed inmates in another part of the prison, prior to his diagnosis. After his test came back positive, the department moved him to a housing unit at the neighboring 1,800-bed G. Robert Cotton Correctional Facility, where he said he is isolated with about 80 others who have the virus. The building housing them, which is separate from the rest of the prison, has mostly two-man cells, with a few single-man cells.

Mannion, 36, said he has suffered from body aches and fevers and has been given Tylenol. He said in an email that prisoners in the unit are told to stay on their bunks unless they need to use the bathroom. He said it has taken him days to get access to a shower and a change of clothes.

He suspects that half the prisoners at Parnall are sick but that some are too afraid to report their symptoms.

“This is a scary thing. I committed a crime and I am serving my sentence, but death is not part of my sentence,” said Mannion, whose earliest release date on an armed robbery conviction in Oakland County is August 2021, according to Department of Corrections records.

“They placed me in a situation that got me sick. They are making this up as they go and have no protocol to help us. Parnall is failing us, (their) officers and society.”

Sherwood said he has no symptoms and has not been tested, but he hears or sees ambulances arrive daily and "can't help but wonder who is in the back of it and who is next."

He said he knows of at least 20 prisoners who are showing symptoms but have not reported them over a variety of fears that include loss of privileges such as using the phone.

"This is WAY bigger than what people think," Sherwood said in an email. "We've been sick in here for days, some of us for weeks, and are scared to say anything," and, "I feel like we are being discarded as human beings and nobody is investigating."

At Parnall, more than half of the prisoners are housed in three pole barns, where eight prisoner cubes are separated by partial walls that do not reach the ceiling.

As groups including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan and the American Friends Service Committee push for Whitmer to use her executive powers to immediately release many state prisoners, including those like Sherwood who are close to their earliest release date, the situation at Parnall highlights a complication.

Should it be assumed every prisoner has been exposed and could be carrying the virus, even if not showing symptoms? What quarantine arrangements should be made to ensure all releases to the community are done safely?

Heather Moore, whose husband is an inmate at Parnall, said many of those he has spoken with, even if not experiencing fever or shortness of breath, have described other symptoms associated with the coronavirus, such as loss of the senses of taste or smell.

“There must be a push for safe and fair release, with intentional effort,” Moore said Saturday.

“Allowing the prisons to become saturated with the virus affects the safety of the staff, inmates and society. We are all connected and are all affected together, regardless of the fence.”

Velaga, the corrections officer at the Thumb Correctional Facility, said officers share many of the prisoners' concerns.

"We are afraid that it is spreading inside the facilities, and we are not informed," she said Friday. "Our biggest concern is we are going to take this home to our families."

Heightening concerns for Velaga is the amount of movement and mixing still occurring at the prison where she works, with prisoners still going to classes and the prison library, for example.

"There is no 6 feet away," she said.

Gautz said officials "cut class sizes in half and have the students sit farther apart than normal with more desks in between them." He said there are now typically six to eight students per class.

Transfers between prisons, which are normally fairly common and can happen for a variety of reasons, including changes in a prisoner's security level, are now rare, Gautz said.

"The only prisoners being moved are ones going to the hospital, prisoners being sent to a place like Cotton, or if they need to be moved for protection or some special and unique reason," he said.

There are also big concerns at the Macomb Correctional Facility, which has the second-most cases, after Parnall.

Temujin Kensu, 56, an activist prisoner at the Macomb prison who is serving life for a 1986 murder in St. Clair County he says he did not commit, said he believes the problem at his facility is also much larger than the numbers show.

"They keep moving sick people all around, just spreading the disease throughout the compound," Kensu said in an email.

With no visits, a lack of nutritious food, unsanitary conditions and pervasive fear and sickness, "this is a recipe for disaster," especially since it does not appear the pandemic will end any time soon, he said.

Gautz said access to phone calls and messaging during quarantines or the near-lockdown measures in place at Macomb are being addressed.

Initially at Parnall, prisoners were being quarantined in the gym, where there were no phones or email kiosks, he said. Prisoners are now being quarantined back in the units, and have access to communications, he said.

Other facilities are working on securing portable phones and other means to provide communications, Gautz said.

As for cleaning, in addition to allowing the use of bleach, "we ramped up production at our prison factory in Detroit, which makes the prisoner soap and cleaning supplies for all our facilities, and those are distributed constantly around the state," he said.

Inmates are already quarantined. That is what jail is.
They got the disease from outside either through their caretakers or through visitors.
If this disturbs you, it should. It demonstrates precisely why "social distancing" does not work.
The inmates were healthy. They were sheltered in place. They did not leave home.
They received the "gift" of the virus from their caretakers.

Social Distancing does not work.
Chris Martenson is wrong and has confused economic theory for medical science.
Watch him to know what not to do.
 

Mikiekimi

I’m just here for the gasoline...
it is always a good idea, right about now, to remind everyone

"there is very little on the internet that they don;t want you to find"

Inmates are already quarantined. That is what jail is.
They got the disease from outside either through their caretakers or through visitors.
If this disturbs you, it should. It demonstrates precisely why "social distancing" does not work.
The inmates were healthy. They were sheltered in place. They did not leave home.
They received the "gift" of the virus from their caretakers.

Social Distancing does not work.
Chris Martenson is wrong and has confused economic theory for medical science.
Watch him to know what not to do.
So they don’t get new inmates? This is communal living and not self-isolation...
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
They got the disease from outside either through their caretakers or through visitors.
If this disturbs you, it should. It demonstrates precisely why "social distancing" does not work.
The inmates were healthy. They were sheltered in place. They did not leave home.
They received the "gift" of the virus from their caretakers.

The inmates are UNABLE to be distant. That's why they're vulnerable. Distancing DOES work, but they CAN'T.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
it is always a good idea, right about now, to remind everyone

"there is very little on the internet that they don;t want you to find"

Inmates are already quarantined. That is what jail is.
They got the disease from outside either through their caretakers or through visitors.
If this disturbs you, it should. It demonstrates precisely why "social distancing" does not work.
The inmates were healthy. They were sheltered in place. They did not leave home.
They received the "gift" of the virus from their caretakers.

Social Distancing does not work.
Chris Martenson is wrong and has confused economic theory for medical science.
Watch him to know what not to do.

Consider reading this article, to long to post.

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Social Distancing does not work.
Chris Martenson is wrong and has confused economic theory for medical science.
Watch him to know what not to do.

I appreciate your postings and your content but you are way off base here. I was trained in contamination avoidance and decontamination operations and for this kind of a bug until there are vaccines along with possible prophylaxis, as virulent as this thing is it's PPE and social distancing. Those are our only tools and the few nations that have implemented this have been successful in containment.

Unfortunately for us most of the countries that have implemented this are regimented societies that are used to doing what they are told to do and that doesn't work here. For us, people have to be educated enough to make the choices to do what is necessary voluntarily. The science behind both the PPE and social distancing are solid and sound.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The only reason we are still using reefer trucks is because we haven't lost physical control. My study of plagues is they either either away or they spiral into chaos. Right now New York city and state are dealing with 700 bodies a DAY. When they are dealing with 5000 a day, they will pile them on barges and dump them onto the ocean as fast as they can. Every one of the bodies in the reefer trucks can kill somebody handling them. Yep, New York city is on the verge of social collapse and dealing with toxic corpses will strike terror, just like it did in all the other plagues I read about. You are thinking modern, functional, in co trol and i am thinking chaos, medieval and hysterical people.
No, there just going to end up burned in normal trash incinerators. Instead of mass burial it will be mass burned.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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A long and fairly brutal blog post with something to offend almost everyone … but what seems to me a far more objective look at the whole pandemic panorama than anything I have seen so far. YMMV of course. Too long to post it all, please see the link to continue reading if you wish. Brought over from WRSA ...
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Plan A for the coronavirus
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Apr 4 · 28 min read


As everyone can now see, the coronavirus is a test of every government.

This test — which the US is failing — is already a tragedy. It has barely begun. In the next few months, you or someone you love will drown of a cough.

Since some of us are still not sure Covid-19 is a thing, how that’ll go down:


Yet most of us will live. It would be more than a shame if we chose not to learn from this test. It would be a crime. Though the guilty will not be punished, and should not be punished — it is already a crime.

If we fail to act on what we learn — this too is a crime. If we act weakly, or erroneously, or worst of all slowly — a crime. In an exponential epidemic, all experts agree, the virus has to be hit as hard, accurately, and fast as possible.

The good news: the measures taken already should be enough to keep the fire from sweeping quickly through the American population. The bad news: they are nowhere near sufficient to put the fire out. And there is no realistic way to end the lockdown while the epidemic is still burning — at all. Ten sparks in the whole country are ten sparks too many.

And while the fire burns, our financial system — never made to be paused — is now melting into the water table. So is our economy, for finance and commerce are now inseparable. So is our society, now just an economy.

The terrible truth the virus has revealed is that the US and UK — as opposed to post-Communist Asia and post-Napoleonic Europe — are not even countries. They are free-trade zones. Our governments are not governments. They are bureaucratic anarchies with ceremonial elected monarchs. Pitting them against this ruthlessly objective virus is sending Don Quixote to Vietnam.

We thought we had the best government in the world. It is quite a shock to find we have the worst — outside the Third World, of course.

(Or do you think it’s doing great? While official authorities must be filtered no less skeptically than fringe sources, many still do excellent work. As of April 1, status of the epidemic, by the consistently reliable Marc Lipsitch, of Harvard; status of the response, from Science.)

Plan A
Welcome to war. This essay outlines a broad strategy — “Plan A” — for winning World War V. Plan A is as strong and hard and fast as I can make it. And it thinks completely outside the box.

You probably think this is just a cliche. In fact, Plan A is so extreme that you are probably not ready for it. This is a pity. You can always change your mind and come back.
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From the OP:

"At Maimonides, the Jews-only ambulance service Hatzalah has somehow gotten its hands on 50 ventilators and donated them to the Borough Park hospital. This donation comes with strings attached: Jews will get priority access, and in cases where an elderly Jewish patient is far gone and a young Gentile patient could be saved, the Jew must keep his ventilator indefinitely."

Yes, the article contained a LONG explanation of their values on end-of-life care. It did NOT erase the above, which you clearly missed.
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Advice: read more throughly before spewing like a liberal with a near-infinite ratio of outrage to knowledge.
 
Going to post a link to an article at Breitbart. Tried to post it but the thing is so long I was going to have to cut it up into a couple of three parts to get it on. Thought it was really good and worth the read, with tons of pictures. Very sad.
Title: Mastrangelo: Answers to Italy’s Complex Coronavirus Question



Mastrangelo: Answers to Italy’s Complex Coronavirus Question

Mastrangelo: Answers to Italy's Complex Coronavirus Question
Tourist wearing a protective respiratory mask tours outside the Colosseo monument (Colisee, Coliseum) in downtown Rome on February 28, 2020 amid fear of Covid-19 epidemic. - Since February 23, more than 50,000 people have been confined to 10 towns in Lombardy and one in Veneto -- a drastic measure taken …

ANDREAS SOLARO/AFP via Getty Images Alana Mastrangelo 4 Apr 2020

“We think Italy may be the most comparable area to the United States at this point,” Vice President Mike Pence told reporters on Wednesday. As Italy’s coronavirus death toll continues to grow many are asking: Why did the virus that originated in Wuhan, China, strike Italy so hard? And why do our leaders think we may become like Italy?

The answer isn’t simple, as there are many variables that go into it, some of which are unique to Italy, while others are less distinctive and thus can offer important lessons for the United States and other nations now enduring their own outbreaks of the pandemic.

Globalism

While the coronavirus outbreak is impacting all of Italy, the disease remains heavily concentrated in Italy’s northern regions, which have direct ties to China.

In March 2019, Italy became the first G7 country to agree to join China’s “Belt and Road” (BRI) initiative, a global investment project known as the communist regime’s new “Silk Road,” seeking to link China to Europe and the rest of the world.

The program has since expanded shipping trade in Italy, particularly within the nation’s northern regions, such as Lombardy, the region that is home to Milan, which became the epicenter of the pandemic in Italy.

The first reported cases of the virus in Italy were two Chinese tourists–a husband and wife–who arrived in Milan from Wuhan and fell sick in Rome. The third case was an Italian citizen repatriated from Wuhan. These early cases were quickly isolated in Rome in January. But experts now believe that the virus was spreading for weeks throughout the Lombardy region by the time the 38-year-old super spreader identified as Italy’s “Patient One” contracted the disease in February. Early contact tracing suggests that this individual may have gotten the virus from another European who had recently been to China.

“It spread around Lombardy, the Italian region that has by far the most trade with China and the home of Milan, the country’s most culturally vibrant and business-centered city,” the New York Times reported. But the person they called “Patient One” was probably “Patient 200,” Italian epidemiologist Fabrizio Pregliasco explained.

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Italys Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte (R) and China’s Communist Leader Xi Jinping shake hands upon Xi Jinping’s arrival for their meeting at Villa Madama in Rome on March 23, 2019, as part of a two-day visit to Italy. (ALBERTO PIZZOLI/AFP via Getty Images)

By the time Italy finally halted travel from China in February, the virus had already spread throughout the community. Even so, China condemned Italy’s decision.

Political observers now believe that Italy, along with Iran and South Korea — which also have investment ties to China and were among the first nations outside of China to suffer from the coronavirus — delayed initial efforts to contain the virus due to a desire to protect economic ties with the communist regime.

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Italy’s Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte at a session of Parliament on December 29, 2018, in Rome. (ALBERTO PIZZOLI/AFP via Getty Images)

This move, however, had backfired, as it sparked a mass exodus among Italians native to the south who were temporarily living up north.

So while Italian prime minister Giuseppe Conte made his lockdown announcement, swarms of citizens bombarded the train stations — or got into their vehicles — and fled the newly quarantined areas to head home, where they brought the disease to their relatives, further spreading the virus throughout Italy.

Days later, on March 9, the Italian government then applied the same lockdown to the entire country. But some might argue that at that point, it was too late. The damage had already been done.

The Italian government should have locked down the entire nation, rather than initially implement partial solutions, which only facilitated the further spread of the disease throughout Italy.

“Your Prime Minister, on February 3, said publicly: ‘Don’t worry, you don’t have to foresee any pandemic because our system is ready to face any kind of emergency,'” proclaimed governor of Lombardy Attilio Fontana on March 31.

“You were the ones who told me that I was racist when I asked for checks on all citizens who came back from China,” he added. “I was mocked with insolent words.”


Multi-generational Households

When Italians fled the quarantined zones in the north, many of them brought the virus to their relatives in the south. The threat of spread among this densely populated country was especially fatal because Italy has more multi-generational households than any other Western country, and the elderly are at much greater risk of dying from the disease.

Thus, the nation’s love of family tragically created a situation ripe for disaster during this pandemic, as such living arrangements put the elderly at risk of exposure from increased contact with their younger relatives.

“It’s common for grandparents to look after their grandchildren on a daily basis, and for their adult children to look after them, once they become older,” reports Wall Street Journal. “Now, efforts to combat the virus are putting an enormous strain on this social safety net.”

These multi-generational households might help explain why many elderly people in Italy are dying from the coronavirus, according to data collected by the University of Bonn in Germany.

“If you share a house, it’s very likely that other people will get it,” said University of Bonn professor Christian Bayer, who co-authored a new research paper on coronavirus transmission.

The paper discovered a correlation between countries where multi-generational households are common and higher coronavirus fatality rates, reports Wall Street Journal.

Demographics

Italy also has the second-highest elderly population in the world next to Japan. Moreover, the average age of those who die from the disease in Italy is 80. Therefore, an obvious answer as to why Italy’s death toll might be higher than other nations can, in part, be explained by Italy’s large elderly population.

But there’s another factor in place that could explain why so many of Italy’s older coronavirus patients are dying, and it has nothing to do with their age.

Rationing Limited Resources

While older patients are dying, the majority of coronavirus patients in Italian hospitals are younger, healthier people — and they’re being prioritized by hospital staff who are forced to overlook older, sicker patients in order to tend to those who are more likely to survive the Wuhan virus.

Among those occupying ICU beds, 12 percent are between the ages of 19 and 50, about 52 percent are between the ages of 51 and 70, and the remainder are over 70. Therefore, roughly 64 percent of coronavirus patients are reportedly under the age of 70.

And the average age of coronavirus patients keeps dropping, as one Italian nurse noted, “the average age has dropped, around 55, 60 years old — 30-year-old males also come in on an oxygen crisis,” reported Il Giornale.


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A man wearing a protective mask who was lying unconscious on the ground near a bus stop is carried away by medical personnel from an ambulance, on March 22, 2020, in Rome, Italy, as the spread of the coronavirus persists. (Marco Di Lauro/Getty Images)

The hospital system in northern Italy is one the finest in the country and in Europe. But even so, the coronavirus pandemic quickly overwhelmed the medical resources in this wealthy region of Europe.

With overcrowded hospitals running low on ICU beds, ventilators, and even supplies for their own doctors — many of whom are infected themselves — there are not enough resources to care for everyone.

“We can’t invent new intensive care unit beds,” explained doctor Marco Vergano of San Giovanni Bosco Hospital in Turin.

“It’s important to understand that patients who arrive with a grave interstitial pneumonia from Covid-19 will not be in intensive care for a few days, but for weeks,” he added. That long length of recovery time also strains the medical system in a pandemic when a constant surge of new patients requires care from a diminishing supply of ICU beds.

Meanwhile, Giorgio Gori, the mayor of Bergamo — a city inside of Italy’s worst-infected northern region of Lombardy — said that coronavirus patients who cannot be treated are simply “left to die.”

“If someone between 80 and 95 has serious breathing difficulties, you probably don’t proceed,” added Christian Salaroli, a doctor at a hospital in Bergamo.


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A medical worker wearing a face make and protection gear tends to a patient inside the new coronavirus intensive care unit of the Brescia Poliambulanza hospital, Lombardy, on March 17, 2020. (PIERO CRUCIATTI/AFP via Getty Images)

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Doctors treat COVID-19 patients in an intensive care unit on March 26, 2020, in Rome, Italy. (Antonio Masiello/Getty Images)

While Italy’s northern hospitals are overwhelmed — and as the disease begins to creep south — politicians south of Lombardy warn that their healthcare facilities will also be unable to fully assist older patients.

“Soon, we will no longer be able to help our most fragile citizens,” said Valeria Mancinelli, the mayor of Ancona, a city located in Italy’s Marche region, closer to Rome.

Marco Pavesi, a doctor at the Policlinico San Donato hospital in Milan, noted last week in an op-ed for the New York Times that if the number of coronavirus patients does not decrease, he could envision a scenario in which “triaging patients” becomes “standard practice.”

“Our elders, sick and left alone by the state. That’s why there are so many deaths in Lombardy,” reported La Repubblica.

To be continued

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Mastrangelo: Answers to Italy’s Complex Coronavirus Question

Part Two

Death Tolls Cannot Be Accurately Compared Between Nations

It is difficult to compare the death toll for coronavirus between nations because some nations are clearly falsifying evidence. Take China, for example, the nation that lied to the world about the coronavirus from the beginning. Should we believe the communist regime when it tells us that a little over 3,000 people died from the disease before the fatalities magically began tapering off?

There is increasing evidence that China downplayed its coronavirus death toll by tens of thousands (and perhaps even millions).

Then there’s Iran, which denies that it has mass graves dug for coronavirus victims, despite the reality that the graves are so enormous, they are visible from space.

As for nations that are more transparent with their data — such as France and Germany — each country has different ways in which it records data, making these statistics inconsistent across the West.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus,” said professor Walter Ricciardi, the scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, according to the Telegraph.

This means that if someone dies with coronavirus in Italy, they are recorded as a coronavirus fatality.

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Italian flags fly at half-mast on the Altare della Patria – Vittorio Emanuele II monument in Rome on March 31, 2020, as flags are being flown at half-mast in cities across Italy to commemorate the victims of the virus, during the country’s lockdown aimed at curbing the spread of the COVID-19 infection (VINCENZO PINTO/AFP via Getty Images)

But other nations might say, “Well, this person died with coronavirus, but they had these other pre-existing conditions, which could have been the main factor.” And then the death will not be recorded as a coronavirus fatality.

The same could be said for how countries define “pre-existing conditions.” Italy might be too generous in that department as well.

For example, a recent Italian study revealed that more than 99 percent of Italy’s coronavirus deaths have been people who had some type of pre-existing medical condition.

But when you break down what Italy considers a “pre-existing condition,” you come to find that the definition includes high blood pressure (which nearly half of Americans have), and diabetes (which roughly one in every three Americans have), according to the CDC.

Moreover, among those who have died from the Wuhan virus in Italy, more than 76 percent had high blood pressure and more than 35 percent had diabetes.

Conditions like obesity, however, didn’t even make it onto Italy’s short list of pre-existing conditions for coronavirus fatalities, and we know this condition has been a factor in coronavirus deaths elsewhere.

Take Louisiana for example, where diabetes and obesity are much more prevalent. So far, the coronavirus has been deadlier in New Orleans than it has been in the rest of the U.S., as it has a per-capita death rate significantly higher than New York City, reported Reuters on Thursday, adding that data suggests that the greater prevalence of obesity in New Orleans is a contributing factor.

“Some 97% of those killed by COVID-19 in Louisiana had a preexisting condition, according to the state health department. Diabetes was seen in 40% of the deaths, obesity in 25%, chronic kidney disease in 23% and cardiac problems in 21%,” reported Reuters.

So while Italy’s death toll might have been compounded by its large elderly population, other nations will face their own challenges due to a greater percentage of their population suffering from one or more of the pre-existing conditions that can make the virus more deadly — conditions that range from high blood pressure to diabetes, lung disease, asthma, or just obesity.

But despite all of that, it’s still too early to make comparisons across countries, as the pandemic hasn’t run its course yet, and experts believe that other nations — such as the United States, England, and France — are 9 to 10 days behind Italy with regards to coronavirus progression.

Meanwhile, Spain is bracing itself to become the next Italy, as the nation exceeded 10,000 coronavirus-related deaths on Thursday — a statistic that Italy had suffered one week ago.


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A woman wearing a face mask arrives at the South Municipal cemetery in Madrid, on March 23, 2020, to attend the burial of a man who died of the new coronavirus in Spain, one of the pandemic’s worst-hit countries after China and Italy. (BALDESCA SAMPER/AFP via Getty Images)

Italy’s Death Toll May Actually Be Higher Than Reported

Speaking of the different ways in which countries record data, countries have different ways in which they test for the coronavirus as well.

While Italy initially conducted coronavirus testing among both symptomatic and asymptomatic contacts of people, stricter testing policies were implemented on February 25, according to a paper published in the peer-review journal JAMA.

This means that Italy’s fatality rate could actually be lower than reported, as the nation does not have a good indication of how many mild or asymptomatic cases are out there, given that Italy’s new policies prioritize testing for people with severe symptoms and limit testing for people who are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms.

This also means that Italy’s death toll could be higher than reported, as the country does not have a good indication of how many people have died from the coronavirus at home, without ever being tested for the disease.

So while some may prefer to downplay this pandemic, there is the undeniable evidence of the plethora of coffins leaving Bergamo every day, and the lonely funerals — due to loved ones of the deceased being on lockdown — held every half hour now.

And it took only a matter of weeks for this reality to transpire.

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Local newspaper Eco di Bergamo features several pages of obituaries in its March 17, 2020. Bergamo is at the heart of the hardest-hit region in Italy’s coronavirus pandemic. (AP Photo/Luca Bruno)

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Parish priest of Seriate, Don Mario stands by one of the coffins stored into the church of San Giuseppe in Seriate, near Bergamo, Lombardy, on March 26, 2020, during the country’s lockdown following the COVID-19 new coronavirus pandemic. (PIERO CRUCIATTI/AFP via Getty Images)

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The coffins of deceased coronavirus victims are stored in a warehouse in Ponte San Pietro, near Bergamo, Lombardy, on March 26, 2020, prior to being transported in another region to be cremated. (PIERO CRUCIATTI/AFP via Getty Images)

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A convoy of Italian Army trucks arrives from Bergamo carrying bodies of coronavirus victims to the cemetery of Ferrara, Italy, where they will be cremated, Saturday, March 21, 2020. The transfer was made necessary since Bergamo mortuary reached maximum capacity. (Massimo Paolone/LaPresse via AP)

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A priest celebrates funeral service without relatives for a coronavirus victim inside the cemetery of Zogno, near Bergamo, northern Italy, on March 21, 2020. (PIERO CRUCIATTI/AFP via Getty Images)

Italy’s struggle with the Chinese coronavirus offers a glimpse of what other nations could face if they do not adequately plan to combat the disease.

Thus, we should examine other countries, and not disregard their hardships — because if we don’t prepare and the virus hits us hard, then the added insult to injury will be that we should have known better.

You can follow Alana Mastrangelo on Twitter at @ARmastrangelo, and on Instagram.


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Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
20 gauge it is called the Darwin Award. There are now 2 particularly STUPID classes of people here in CONUS now: one is/was anybody who took a cruise ship after the one in Japan, and second anybody who hasn't made at least a minimal effort to stock up. The third would be anybody who won't buy a gun and ammo. :siren:
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
From instapundit now:

"I’M NOT AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST, BUT: Following up on yesterday’s post on the low level of Covid-19 infections in Australia… Hawaii, population 1.5 million, has only 351 confirmed Covid-19 cases, and three deaths, despite Honolulu being a densely-packed urban area and tons of tourist traffic from Asia in December and January. Puerto Rico, population 3.2 million, has only 452 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 18 deaths, despite a huge amount of traffic between the New York area and the island, and San Juan being a densely-packed city. Like I said, I’m not an epidemiologist, but I’d love to know if someone who is has provided an explanation for these statistics beyond sunshine, humidity, and hot weather. (Note: New Orleans has been consistently hot since March 10, and if that doesn’t slow the spread of the virus, it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into the weather theory, though not necessarily into the “protective nature of Vitamin D” theory, as I suspect residents of San Juan and Honolulu get a lot more sun in the Winter than do residents of New Orleans. P.S. I’m aware that Mardis Gras was likely a “super spreader event,” but if hot weather is protective, the rate of spread in March and April should be slower than in colder climates)."
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked

State refuses to let public see local virus spread model


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Gov. Jared Polis holds a news conference last month in Centennial
at the South Metro Fire and Rescue Authority Administrative Office to announce a stay-in-place order due to the presence of coronavirus

. The executive order is set to last through April 11
unless modified further by the governor.



"For the past few weeks, state health department officials have been working with an expert task force of physicians, researchers and mathematicians from local universities, to try to predict how the novel coronavirus spreading across the world might progress locally.

The group of specialists provided three reports to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, as of the end of last week, and Gov. Jared Polis presented some of the findings of the experts during a press conference Friday, March 27. Polis relayed some stark estimates during the press conference, with possible COVID-19 deaths in Colorado ranging from 900 to 33,200.


But CDPHE has so far refused to make public what the experts from the University of Colorado School of Public Health, School of Medicine and the University of Colorado at Boulder provided. And the agency has given conflicting explanations for why they won’t allow the public to see it.
During an April 2 web-streaming press conference, Scott Bookman, CDPHE’s COVID-19 incident commander, said the expert research gives them reason to believe that the number of COVID-19 cases in Colorado is between four and 10 times higher than what’s currently known.

But in response to why the state decided not to allow the public to see the experts’ work, Bookman said, “I think it's important to understand that there are a number of different models out there. It's also really important to understand that any model we're using is a single snapshot, and every time we learn more information about the impact of our social distancing—the impact on the spread of disease in our community.” Bookman said the slides Gov. Polis presented were made available.

CDPHE did not respond to a written request to clarify their response to address why the decision not to make the model or documents related to it available to the public.


But CDPHE’s records manager provided a different explanation. In a response to a formal request under the Colorado Open Records Act, which broadly classifies government records as disclosable upon request with some exceptions, CDPHE didn’t raise the “number of different models out there” or that it was “a single snapshot.”

CDPHE’s records manager told Colorado Politics that they needed to delay the release of the records because of “extenuating circumstances.” Colorado public records law allows government agencies to spend up to seven days in addition to the three days allowed by law to produce copies of public records, when they’re formally requested.

But the “extenuating circumstances” provision of Colorado law allows the extra seven days only when a request is broad, voluminous or insufficiently specific, or if the records are impossible to compile within three days, or if, “an impending deadline or period of peak demand that is either unique or not predicted to recur more frequently than once a month” requires “all or substantially all” of the agency’s resources. Despite added complications or “peak demand” to the state health department due to work associated with the spread of the coronavirus, the agency has processed other formal records requests in recent days and weeks — just not for the expert research provided by the university task force.

Jeff Roberts, the executive director of the Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition, said the state health department should, especially in times when providing information can mean the health of Coloradans, provide access to reports that are compiled and complete. And they should provide them proactively, he said.

“The extenuating circumstances is understandable in this time, for records that really do have to be compiled and gone over for privilege, but if we’re talking about reports that are done, and they know what’s in these reports, then I would say that information should be provided in an expeditious way to the public and the journalists working to informing the public,” Roberts said.

“And I would add the health department should be providing this proactively, without having to use a request. If there’s anything that’s privileged, then they should redact that, prior to proactive release.”

The agency has not responded to requests to explain why their records manager and their crisis manager gave different answers to why the state is keeping the records secret for now.""
 
Authorities in Ecuador’s biggest city are distributing thousands of cardboard coffins and have created a helpline for families who need corpses to be removed from their homes, report Tom Phillips and Blanca Moncada in Guayaquil.

The city has emerged as a regional hotspot for coronavirus, and hospitals and mortuaries have been overwhelmed, forcing some families to store bodies at home.

“It looks like a warzone hospital. The things we have seen are straight out of a horror film,” a doctor at the Teodoro Maldonado Carbo hospital, one of city’s biggestfacilities, told the Guardian.

“My wife doesn’t want me to go to work. But if I don’t, more patients will die.”

n Saturday Ecuador’s health ministry said it had registered 172 Covid-19 deaths, 122 of them in Guayas province, of which Guayaquil is the capital. Low testing rates mean the true figure is almost certainly higher.

Ecuador has officially registered 3,465 coronavirus cases, the third highest number in South America after Brazil and Chile.


Health workers wearing protective gear load a coffin onto the back of a pick-up truck outside of Teodoro Maldonado Carbo Hospital amid the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Guayaquil, Ecuador April 3, 2020.

Health workers wearing protective gear load a coffin onto the back of a pick-up truck outside of Teodoro Maldonado Carbo Hospital amid the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Guayaquil, Ecuador April 3, 2020. Photograph: Reuters

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MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Do consider the NY source here.


Coronavirus death rate for New Orleans is double that of New York City

By Jackie Salo
April 5, 2020

Carondelet Street lies deserted in the early afternoon in New Orleans



Carondelet Street lies deserted in the early afternoon during shelter in place orders to slow the spread of coronavirus disease in an aerial photograph in New Orleans, Louisiana.


New Orleans has emerged as one of the country’s coronavirus hotspots, with a death rate per-capita double that of New York City, according to a troubling new report.

Gary Wagner, an economics professor at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, said the parish of Orleans, which encompasses the Big Easy, saw a coronavirus death rate of 37.93 per 100,000 people as of Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Meanwhile, the death rate for the Big Apple was 18.86 per 100,000 people, the outlet reported.
Louisiana has reported more than 12,400 cases as of Sunday with the death toll climbing over 400, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The state is second only to New York for the number of deaths per-capita, the newspaper reported.
Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards attributed his state’s troubling death rates to the prevalence of other health conditions among residents, according to the report. The state sees high rates of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and kidney disease.
“We have more than our fair share of people who have the comorbidities that make them especially vulnerable,” Edwards told the outlet.

Dr. Alex Billioux, who is the state’s public health chief, said they’ve taken aggressive steps, such as increasing testing, to prevent Louisiana from becoming the next Italy, which has seen more than 15,000 deaths.

“We all look at the video of what’s going on in settings like Italy. We really, really, really hope that we are doing what we need to do to not be on that trajectory,” Billioux told the outlet. “By the end of this epidemic, every family is going to be touched.”
 
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