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20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Actually, there are 130k. They are furloughing 125k. 5000 are being kept because if they come back up, they need seasoned managers for the restart. I talked with my boss this morning (who is still employed with a hefty pay cut). He said that five of them are moving expensive stuff from lower floors to upper floors in anticipation of looting. I will be paid for this week then that's it. He said that I would be called back IF MACY'S SURVIVES. There was a long pause and he simply said "I don't know. I don't know." 600+ stores and a national icon may be on its way down.
There will be a lot of this.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent

Question for the medical types here:

Lots of posters mention wearing gloves. I only have a limited supply. I have been using hand sanitizer when I leave a public place and washing hands when I get home.

Should I be using gloves in public instead of or along with the hand sanitizer? If so, what is the added protection for wearing gloves? I have thought about it, and wondered if it is because you still have a chance of missing a virus particle even if you are stringent about hand washing. Or is it that the virus could enter your body through a crack in the skin via the hands? Thanks in advance.
 
Trump describes grim scenes from Elmhurst Hospital in Queens
From CNN's Gregory Clary


The exterior of Elmhurst Hospital in Queens on Sunday, March 29.

The exterior of Elmhurst Hospital in Queens on Sunday, March 29. Mary Altaffer/AP

President Donald Trump described a grim scene of Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, including body bags and refrigerated trucks to take away bodies.

"I've been watching them bringing in trailer trucks. Freezer trucks. Freezer trucks, because they can’t handle the bodies because there are so many of them," Trump said.

Trump added that he has never seen anything like this in this country.
This is in my community in Queens, New York. I have seen things that I’ve never seen before. I mean I've seen them, but I’ve seen them on television and faraway lands, never in my country," Trump said. "When I see the trucks pull up to take out bodies, and these are trucks that are as long as the Rose Garden. And they're pulling up to take out bodies and you look inside, and you see the black body bags and you say what is in there? (It's) Elmhurst Hospital, must be supplies. It is not supplies, it is people. I have never seen anything like it."

Trump also described body bags in hospital hallways, but CNN has seen no evidence that there are body bags in the hallways of the hospital. There are refrigerated trucks where hospital personnel have been putting bodies to alleviate the capacity of the regular morgue.

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Amazon workers to stage a walkout Monday, demanding closure of Staten Island facility
From CNN’s Brian Fung and Sara Ashley O’Brien


An employee works at the Amazon fulfillment center in Staten Island in 2019.

An employee works at the Amazon fulfillment center in Staten Island in 2019. Johannes Eisele/AFP/Getty Images

Amazon employees at the company’s facility in Staten Island, New York, plan to walk off the job Monday amid allegations the online retail giant has mishandled its response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The walkout will begin at 12:30 p.m. and could involve anywhere between 50 and 200 people, said Christian Smalls, an assistant manager at the facility who is leading the walkout.
"The plan is to cease all operations until the building is closed and sanitized," Smalls told CNN in an interview. "We’re not asking for much. We’re asking the building to be closed and sanitized, and for us to be paid."
Following the walkout, the workers will gather at a nearby public bus stop and speak to the press. Employees are protesting Amazon’s decision to keep the Staten Island warehouse open despite news of a confirmed case of the virus there last week, Smalls said.

Many more employees have tested positive for the virus at the facility than the company has publicly acknowledged, Smalls said, claiming that as many as five to seven workers have been diagnosed with coronavirus.

Amazon didn’t immediately respond to several requests for comment.

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Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If they prove that China released a WMD, either on their own people or the world,
we would be required to go to war with them.
You can remove the word we and replace it with "everyone else"
Russians from the north
South Koreans from the north east
All the "stans" from the west
India, Thailand from the south
AND the US/Japan by sea from the west.

Sit back and watch the Chinese assholes pucker.
 
Nurse at Elmhurst Hospital in New York describes how quickly patients are deteriorating
From CNN’s Paul Murphy

Elmhurst Hospital in New York

Elmhurst Hospital in New York John Nacion/STAR MAX/IPx/AP

A nurse at Elmhurst Hospital in New York described to CNN how quickly patients are deteriorating in their hospital.

"It’s frightening because although they are sick, they appear stable," the nurse said. "Then right before your eyes they start to desaturate and in a few moments, they are gone."

Desaturate refers to a patient's oxygen saturation levels dropping to unsafe and, in this case, fatal levels.
The nurse said they watched, completely helpless, with two doctors alongside, as patients died from coronavirus complications.

"Even though you restart the heart, they cannot breathe and before you get a minute to process the life lost, they come and snatch the ventilator," the nurse said. "And (then) another patient is crashing."

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo addressed the stresses this particular hospital is experiencing during his daily press conference.

Last week, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Elmhurst had been the hospital hit hardest by the surge in cases and more medical personnel were being sent there. CNN previously reported that 13 patients died at the hospital from coronavirus within 24 hours last week.


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rlm1966

Veteran Member
This is not a normal disease. It is a bioweapon. Everyone, please think rationally and act accordingly. Protect yourself and your loved ones and friends.

If you're not sure where to start, here's a good source:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w9M6K9vSUM
Yeah, but his solution of tagging/identifying people that may be immune (that isn't a given as best I can tell) comes damn close to, please pardon my bringing religion into this, the mark of the beast. Granted he didn't take it that far and I totally get where he is coming from, but I can't help but think that they would make laws that one couldn't buy or sell things/food/etc without this identifier. It will put me in a real bind as I don't think I am willing to do that.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is from a meat world friend...

I just messaged my girl.. She lost 7 patients in 10 hours last night. ARDS. Bubbling pink foam. It’s not normal. Tell me it’s fake.... I don’t know what’s killing them but these People are someone’s family. And they are dead. She works in Mt. Sinai in Manhattan. ICU.

She hasn’t seen her kids in 6 days.. Sleeps in her car in the hospital parking because she doesn’t want to bring anything home
Let's all put this woman who works at the Mount Sinai ICU in our prayers. May God give her strength, courage, protection and hope.
 
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White House coronavirus coordinator to rural Americans: "You have to prepare"
From CNN's Gisela Crespo


Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus response coordinator, speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing in the Rose Garden of the White House, Sunday, March 29.

Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus response coordinator, speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing in the Rose Garden of the White House, Sunday, March 29. Patrick Semansky/AP

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, urged rural communities in the US to prepare for the spread of Covid-19, "even though you think it's not there.”

When Birx was asked on NBC's “Today” show what her message was to rural areas in the country, she said this:
"This virus, we think, can spread with a lot of asymptomatic and mild cases. It's not until it gets into the vulnerable groups that you start to see the hospitalizations."
"If you wait for that, if the metros and rural areas don't take care now, by the time you see it, it has penetrated your community pretty significantly. And that's what we're concerned about. And that's why you have to prepare, even though you think it's not there," Birx told NBC's Savannah Guthrie.

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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well they ain't all stupid. They may be doing this crap and other things on purpose, in prep for a war with us.
I would like to believe that they are all selfish lusting in pride for the $ and power. But I believe they have aspirations for world domination.

1-23030, the chinee have ALWAYS sought world domination... ALWAYS... Only one way to stop them, if they won't, can't, stop themsleves. Kill 'em all...

OA
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
"If you wait for that, if the metros and rural areas don't take care now, by the time you see it, it has penetrated your community pretty significantly. And that's what we're concerned about. And that's why you have to prepare, even though you think it's not there," Birx told NBC's Savannah Guthrie.
Incredibly useful quote. Act accordingly with intelligence, all due speed, and compassion for others.
 
Italy records 812 daily deaths - but slower infection rate

The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy climbed by 812 to 11,591, the civil protection agency said on Monday, reversing two days of declines in the daily rate, Reuters reports.

However, the number of new cases rose by 4,050, the lowest since 17 March, hitting a total 101,739 from 97,689 previously. On Sunday, 5,217 cases were recorded, and 5,974 on Saturday.

Of those originally infected nationwide, 14,620 had fully recovered on Monday, compared with 13,030 the day before. There were 3,981 people in intensive care, up from a previous 3,906.

Italy has registered more deaths than anywhere else in the world and accounts for more than a third of all global fatalities from the virus.

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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My apologies if it's already been posted here earlier, but I am told...

There is an intriguing opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal (March 29, 2020) by
Dr. Jeff Colyer (governor of Kansas between 2018-2019).

He describes an observation from China in which he states that none of the Wuhan
hospital’s lupus patients (who were presumably taking hydroxychloroquine for years)
were positive for the coronavirus. Not definitive science…but an intriguing data point.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
Yeah, but his solution of tagging/identifying people that may be immune (that isn't a given as best I can tell) comes damn close to, please pardon my bringing religion into this, the mark of the beast. Granted he didn't take it that far and I totally get where he is coming from, but I can't help but think that they would make laws that one couldn't buy or sell things/food/etc without this identifier. It will put me in a real bind as I don't think I am willing to do that.
Honestly, I think we need a thread in BS about what people are planning to do when this comes to pass. I, too, see it happening during this episode. Chaos is coming soon. A mark will not be far behind.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
I’m grateful she isn’t sick but isn’t this supposed to be super contagious? You’d think she’d be feeling ill by niw(?) , I think it’s been 2-4 weeks, in total that she’s been exposed.

Some people are totally asymptomatic with Covid-19 and never even know that they have it even though they are able to spread it to others. When they get the antibody test she should probably take it as it will tell her if she has contracted it or not.
 
Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

Dr Daniel Reardon, a research fellow at Melbourne’s Swinburne University, was building a necklace that sounds an alarm on facial contact, when the mishap occurred on Thursday night.

The 27 year-old astrophysicist, who studies pulsars and gravitational waves, said he was trying to liven up the boredom of self-isolation with the four powerful neodymium magnets.

“I have some electronic equipment but really no experience or expertise in building circuits or things,” he told Guardian Australia.

“I had a part that detects magnetic fields. I thought that if I built a circuit that could detect the magnetic field, and we wore magnets on our wrists, then it could set off an alarm if you brought it too close to your face. A bit of boredom in isolation made me think of that.”

However, the academic realised the electronic part he had did the opposite – and would only complete a circuit when there was no magnetic field present.

“I accidentally invented a necklace that buzzes continuously unless you move your hand close to your face,” he said.

“After scrapping that idea, I was still a bit bored, playing with the magnets. It’s the same logic as clipping pegs to your ears – I clipped them to my earlobes and then clipped them to my nostril and things went downhill pretty quickly when I clipped the magnets to my other nostril.”

Reardon said he placed two magnets inside his nostrils, and two on the outside. When he removed the magnets from the outside of his nose, the two inside stuck together. Unfortunately, the researcher then attempted to use his remaining magnets to remove them.


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Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Something I noticed yesterday and today on both coronavirus tracking sites I've been following from this thread:

COVID-19/Coronavirus Real Time Updates With Credible Sources in US and Canada | 1Point3Acres and Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

They're both listing the number of US recovered this morning as 4865. Thing is, just yesterday morning, the number was only in the triple digits. It then suddenly doubled to around 1500, then jumped again in only about ten minutes to over 2500. Yet I haven't heard anything in the media about a sudden jump in recoveries.

So is the media simply not reporting the recoveries, hoping to keep people freaked out over this? Are the sites fudging their numbers to make it look like more people are recovering than actually are? And where do they get their numbers from to report them?

I hope the numbers are accurate, but this does have me curious.


Define 'accurate'.

Reporting systems/Dashboards are highly dependent on the data flow feeding the 'engine'. Sometimes (like nearly always) that data can lag. Sometimes the definition of what constitutes a case changes. In this case, a perfect example is how far behind the number of 'acknowledged' cases was, due to the fact that we weren't looking for cases (we weren't testing, for reasons beaten to death already). Now that we're testing, the numbers are skyrocketing. (Once we began looking, we began finding.) Some would say that we still aren't testing enough.

Also, there's undoubtedly a focus on providing care to the patients, and to a degree reporting is taking a back seat.

Not every thing is a conspiracy.

I know many are wound up tight trying to figure everything to 3 decimal places, but that is not possible, not even in hindsight.

I think the best policy is to take the info at the Arcgis dashboard as an indication of the direction and velocity of the spread/containment of this virus, not a perfectly accurate representation of exactly where we are in the nation.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
We’re going under.

:(

Many are sheltering in place, keeping to themselves, avoiding unnecessary contact,
in a attempt to avoid this plague.

However, there are other groups of peoples, who have not changed their
daily lifestyles, and they wont, unless forced to do so, at the point of a gun.
It will be these other groups of peoples, that will take this plague to its next level.

The next level of this plague, will take many of those who did their best to avoid it.

Its the 1918 Spanish Flu all over again, but throttled up, with afterburners kicked in.

Please be safe everyone, and peace to everyone on the board, peace to you all.

Regards to all.

Nowski
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Trump describes grim scenes from Elmhurst Hospital in Queens

I remember we discussed refrigerator trucks vs. ice rinks back 10 years ago when doing the H1N1 pandemic protocol at work. Here, nearly every little burg has a year-round indoor rink. The boss (pathologist and county coroner/ME) said the trucks are much more reliable and enclosed (safer), and U.S. has plenty. This time, we also have lots of fuel available to keep them cold.
 
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SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My apologies if it's already been posted here earlier, but I am told...

There is an intriguing opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal (March 29, 2020) by
Dr. Jeff Colyer (governor of Kansas between 2018-2019).

He describes an observation from China in which he states that none of the Wuhan
hospital’s lupus patients (who were presumably taking hydroxychloroquine for years)
were positive for the coronavirus. Not definitive science…but an intriguing data point.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

I sure hope this holds true! It would be good news for those who take Plaquenil on a regular basis, and have used it for years.
 

poppy

Veteran Member
Social distancing helps a lot. Cuomo said today time required for a doubling of cases in NY is growing. I suspect when they get to testing people for antibodies they will find this has been going around much longer than they thought. We had a surge of people with pneumonia last October and none of them tested positive for the flu. Our granddaughter teaches grade school here and was hospitalized with pneumonia at the time and 4 other teachers in the school had it then too. None of them had a bacterial infection or tested positive for flu.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
This is from the only level two trauma center in the U.P. of Michigan. Pretty amazing in a deleterious way.

Michigan Nurses Union addresses unpaid layoffs, lack of PPE, at UPHS-Marquette

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MARQUETTE, Mich. (WLUC) -
The Michigan Nurse’s union stated that U.P. Health System-Marquette is “failing to work with its nurses on preparing for the COVID-19 crisis”, according to a press release sent out Sunday afternoon.
According to the release, UPHS-Marquette has laid off up to 100 workers, without pay.


“We know the COVID-19 crisis is just around the corner for us here in Marquette and it’s urgent that our hospital is getting ready for it instead of abandoning our nurses,” said Stephanie DePetro, an OR nurse and president of the MGH RN Staff Council, an affiliate of the Michigan Nurses Association.

“Instead of having trained RNs screening people who come into the hospital for signs of COVID-19, the hospital is having others perform this vital task – when they even bother to perform it at all. Lack of proper screening at entrances is putting our nurses, patients and community at risk. Now is not the time for UPHS to try to increase its profits. UPHS needs to step up and do the right thing for our nurses so we can keep our community safe now and as the COVID-19 crisis worsens in the U.P.”

Improper PPE was also a concern, specifically that only some nurses are being issued an N95 mask, and nurses that receive them are expected to use them repeatedly. These masks are only supposed to be used one time.

The protections that the Nurse’s union is asking for include:

• paid time off for nurses who contract COVID-19 or have to self-quarantine
• exempting nurses who are immuno-compromised or pregnant
• clear and consistent screening protocols that adhere to best practices.


TV6 & FoxUP reached out to UPHS-Marquette for a statement, but have not yet received any comment.



Four years ago this hospital was a community hospital and was bought out by one of the corporations whose main concern is the bottom line. Laying people off going into a pandemic and then hardly even screening anyone walking in? Incredible. There are only two confirmed cases in Marquette County but I monitor many of the U.P. EMS channels and heard a call in Marquette today of an 80 year old male who has been sick for a week. He has a high temperature, a persistent cough and now presenting with respiratory distress and that is why he called 911. So it's here as well now and the stupid hospital administration........
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Social distancing helps a lot. Cuomo said today time required for a doubling of cases in NY is growing. I suspect when they get to testing people for antibodies they will find this has been going around much longer than they thought. We had a surge of people with pneumonia last October and none of them tested positive for the flu. Our granddaughter teaches grade school here and was hospitalized with pneumonia at the time and 4 other teachers in the school had it then too. None of them had a bacterial infection or tested positive for flu.

It could have been viral pneumonia.

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Friggin' goofball:

 

frazbo

Veteran Member
Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device


“After scrapping that idea, I was still a bit bored, playing with the magnets. It’s the same logic as clipping pegs to your ears – I clipped them to my earlobes and then clipped them to my nostril and things went downhill pretty quickly when I clipped the magnets to my other nostril.”

Reardon said he placed two magnets inside his nostrils, and two on the outside. When he removed the magnets from the outside of his nose, the two inside stuck together. Unfortunately, the researcher then attempted to use his remaining magnets to remove them.


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Soooo, like, this is not rocket science to know that it was a bad idea...oh wait...lol
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
I live in SE Missouri. I was able to see two towns, the one I live in, which is a tourist town and the one bout thirty miles to the South>>>where I live is the tourist town and all the beaches, etc. are open and the one to the South has the 25,000 population where I saw the soccer team practicing. As I have said in previous posts, there are a LARGE number of totally illiterate people here. It has gotten grants from the Feds because it is the third highest ranked in illiteracy and low education in the country. I am having really OLD OLD people come into the clinic to see me too>>>>while I am at home to avoid the risks. We were SENT home by the clinic where I work to reduce the risk to therapists. But these OLD folks have NO IDEA what is even going on. I guess they don't listen to the news?? Or I know already some of them are just waiting and WANTING to die, ALL appointments were canceled two weeks ago to keep everyone home. Schools have been out for over two weeks>>>I guess they just think this is a "holiday" and the kids are running WILD and of course every body here is on Meth, so who even HAS parents that give a CRAP! HUGE UNEMPLOYMENT, poverty ridden area and the only business is the DRUG business!
 
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