CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

coalcracker

Veteran Member

In the 18 years I've been on this forum, this is my favorite post.

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It is amazing to me that Andrew Cuomo, a liberal whom I politically despise, is the voice in government right now who best seems to grasp this. Yes, it may be a political ploy on Cuomo's part, but our President's tweets and comments these past two days have missed the mark.

No, Mr. President, we do not want to see the churches filled this Easter. Rather, we want to see hearts filled (starting with my own) with the selfless, sacrificial love of Christ.

Yes, the economy will be toast, and the economic pain will be profound... but the pain of loving personal gain rather than the lives of others is even worse.

I'd rather die clutching this beautiful poem than grasping my 401k.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
mead.jpg

Francisco Curate
Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones.

But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said."

We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized.
- Ira Byock.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Trump's news conference last night (after 15 days we are going back to work, America) has given a number of my family and friends some false hope. They were starting to wake up, and President Trump sang them back to sleep. The stock market looks like they are liking the music as well.

This 15 day plan.

Rumor here in PA is that schools will reopen April 6. This comes from the same sources who correctly told me ahead of time the exact date and length of time for the school shutdown.

It's either a feint, or it's part of a script. Either way, I don't like it. It's not organic, not fluid, not REAL.
It's like we are the mice smelling the cheese, and we may be oblivious to the trap.

Is it as simple as "the death rate is not so bad?" Or is it a state sanctioned evil designed to euthanize the costly care or retired baby boomers?

Either way, our God, mammon, must be served.

Our kids' elementary school has said flat out that school is cancelled for the rest of the school year. It's a private school in NW FL.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Did the Chinks sacrifice a city (Wuhan) and several million inhabitants to weaken and depopulate a large portion of the rest of the world while appearing innocent or inept?

Flame on

vestige, my friend, I think you've nailed it... Damned chinee have played "The Great Game" for millenia, and NOTHING can be put past them... What's ten, twenty, a hundred million to "sacrifice," to achieve their goals? It's ALL about world domination with them. That's always been their goal. I don't believe that they can change, and therefore are the most dangerous physical force on earth... To stop them, there are only two choices- total annihilation, or TOT decapitation strike on their leadership and ALL nuclear weapons/WMD... Nothing else is going to work. Both will require forces and execution not seen in our lifetimes... Other than God, our situation looks bleek... Or, hopefully, there's a force we're not aware of, held back until now...

Good Luck, Fair Winds, and Following Seas, my friend...

OA
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Or population density... And that is why you have a national lockdown! To keep those isolated areas from turning into New York Scenarios.

I swear... I am beyond disappointed at the way those in charge are handling this from Trump down to the idiots I am reporting to at work. Not a clue and a stubborn refusal to listen to ANY ideas or warnings

God Bless You and Yours, Ragnarok. You are a wonderful, consistant, voice of reason, in a world slowly going dark and mad... Thank-You, Sir, and May God Guard, Guide, Keep, and Preserve You and Yours...

OA
 

BassMan

Veteran Member
I know we've re-hashed this to death, but with all the news coming out of Italy, and some of the other hot zones in the US, I just can't figure those people out. How they still think flu is worse. Do they just not watch or read any news? Or do they know, but it doesn't serve their agenda? I like Rush Limbaugh and I've always thought he was an astute person, but he is one of those people who think it's a nothingberger and is just some vast left-wing conspiracy to bring down Trump. I know some really intelligent, conservative, liberty loving people in the the meat world who are blowing this off. I find it most perplexing. Mind boggling actually.

I see it as probability vs impact in risk management. In formal risk management, you combine the probability of something happening, with the impact if it does happen. Combined, this gives the total risk score.

I am more focused on impact (I do not want to die, be in ICU, or have permanent lung damage).

Business interests seem more focused on probability of economic demise.

Personally, I think the derivatives will crash no matter what.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Husbands company has 30-something factories in China. Most had re-opened at limited capacity as of a couple weeks ago. Even the WUHAN/Hubei factories. Now a few have shut back down again, reports of many getting sick again, including one of companies Chinese directors in Tianjin.. (instead of peasant at factory) so now it's serious :rolleyes:

A few Orders in USA staring to cancel now...
 

jward

passin' thru
Husbands company has 30-something factories in China. Most had re-opened at limited capacity as of a couple weeks ago. Even the WUHAN/Hubei factories. Now a few have shut back down again, reports of many getting sick again, including one of companies Chinese directors in Tianjin.. (instead of peasant at factory) so now it's serious :rolleyes:

A few Orders in USA staring to cancel now...

Thank you!! The real news is hard to come by, and much appreciated!
 

jward

passin' thru
Those poor D's, they cannot beg borrow or steal the election from the DJT, what will the cornered rats pull on us next? :eek:

Charles V Payne
@cvpayne



Breaking News Trump Approval Rating Surges
60% Approve of handling to combat coronavirus
49% overall approval
94% GOP
60% Independents
+8 ;points 27% Democrats +6 points
 

jward

passin' thru
Latest on the spread of the coronavirus around the world


6 Min Read

(Reuters) - The United States could become the global epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, the World Health Organization said, as the U.S. negotiators reached an agreement on a $2-trillion aid package and India announced a nationwide lockdown in the world’s second-most populous country.

A worker in protective suit knocks a door to deliver the meal at a hotel being used as a centralised observation and quarantine place for people arriving from overseas, to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Beijing, China March 24, 2020. China Daily via REUTERS

DEATHS, INFECTIONS
** Nearly 421,000 people have been infected across the world and more than 18,800 have died, according to a Reuters tally.
** For an interactive graphic tracking the global spread, open tmsnrt.rs/3aIRuz7 in an external browser.

EUROPE

** Fatalities in Italy surged on Tuesday, dashing hopes the epidemic was easing after more encouraging numbers in the previous two days.
** France’s death toll is much higher than the official tally, which only accounts for those dying in hospitals and does not include those dying at home or in retirement homes, the head of the hospitals federation said.
** More than 170,000 people signed up to help Britain’s National Health Service, and the parliament is set to suspend sitting for at least four weeks.
** Nurses and doctors demanded action after Spain reported its sharpest daily increase in new cases on Tuesday and said about 14% of the nearly 40,000 infections were among health workers.
** Russia’s total number of cases reached 658 on Wednesday with a record daily rise, a day after Moscow’s mayor warned the outbreak in the capital was much worse than official figures showed.

AMERICAS
** The Trump administration sowed confusion over use of a 1950s-era emergency act to procure coronavirus test kits amid severe shortages of equipment for medical workers.
** The virus has killed more than 700 people in the United States and infected over 53,000.

** Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro dismissed virus “hysteria” and urged mayors and state governors to roll back lockdown measures that have brought Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo to near standstills.
** Mexico temporarily halted the processing of asylum requests from Tuesday, as its cases climbed to 405.
** An emergency aid package for Canadians facing economic harm from the outbreak was stalled.

ASIA AND THE PACIFIC
** Australia said on Wednesday it would force passengers on a ship into quarantine on a tourist island and refused entry to another vessel, as authorities slapped heavy curbs on movement and officials warned an accelerating number of patients could overwhelm intensive care units.
** Mainland China reported a drop in new cases on Wednesday as imported infections fell and no locally transmitted infections were reported.
** India woke up to a sweeping lockdown of its 1.3 billion people, but the order did not stop crowds of people thronging to stock up at grocery shops and chemists.
** The Indian government banned the export of a key malaria drug, as experts test its efficacy in treating patients with COVID-19.
** Tokyo became the center of Japan’s epidemic as it registered a record 17 new cases on Tuesday. The national tally is 1,214, with 43 deaths.
** Malaysia will extend a two-week restriction of movement order and unveil a second economic stimulus package.
** Thailand recorded 107 new cases on Wednesday, bringing its total to 934, while South Korea’s tally rose to 9,137 with 100 new infections.
** Singapore’s government said on Wednesday it was not ruling out holding a general election during the outbreak.

MIDDLE EAST AND AFRICA
** Israelis were instructed on Wednesday to stay within 100 meters of their homes under tightened restrictions that further reduced public transport, required employers to check workers for fever and set sanctions for people who defy rules.
** About half of Iran’s government employees were staying at home on Tuesday as the country’s death toll topped 2,000.
** Egypt has declared a two-week curfew, and those who violate the measure will be penalized under emergency laws, the prime minister said.
** Congo closed its borders and imposed a state of emergency.
** Libya confirmed its first case on Tuesday.

ECONOMIC FALLOUT
** U.S. senators and Trump administration officials agreed on a massive economic stimulus bill early on Wednesday, with the Senate set to vote on the $2-trillion package later in the day and the House of Representatives vote expected soon after.
** Asian shares gained on Wednesday in the wake of Wall Street’s massive rebound on the stimulus bill agreement.
** Airlines urged governments to speed up bailouts to rescue the air transport industry as they doubled their estimate of 2020 revenue losses from the crisis to more than $250 billion.
** Seventy percent of people in G7 countries expect their household to lose income due to the outbreak, according to a survey on Wednesday.
** British inflation fell in February, before the crisis hit the country, with a further sharp fall predicted in the next couple of months due to the collapse in global oil prices caused by the pandemic.

EVENTS
** The Tokyo Olympics were postponed to 2021, the first such delay in the Games’ 124-year modern history.
** Japan’s J.League delayed the restart of soccer matches to May.

** The Cannes Film Festival venue is opening its doors to the town’s homeless who have nowhere to go during the lockdown.
** Two Russian cosmonauts and a U.S. astronaut were spending their final weeks on Earth in quarantine before they are scheduled to blast off on April 9 for the International Space Station.
Compiled by Sarah Morland, Milla Nissi and Aditya Soni; Editing by Mike Collett-White, Sriraj Kalluvila and Tomasz Janowski
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Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Amazon employees in NY, FL, KY, TX, MI and OK test positive for COVID-19
Fulfillment centers in New York, Florida, Kentucky, Texas, Michigan and Oklahoma have been closed down.

Amazon workers in at least six warehouses across the United States have tested positive for COVID-19, according to the Washington Post.

In line with local media reports, in the past few days fulfillment centers in New York, Florida, Kentucky, Texas, Michigan and Oklahoma have been closed down for cleaning and workers suspected of being in contact with those who tested positive have been quarantined.

“We are supporting the individuals, following guidelines from local officials, and are taking extreme measures to ensure the safety of all the employees at our sites,” Amazon spokeswoman Lisa Levandowski said in an emailed statement to the Post.

Earlier this month, Amazon employees working in warehouses in both Spain and Italy tested positive for COVID-19 after contracting the coronavirus. In light of such news, the Amazon workforce started a petition last week, calling on the organization to take further precautions to better protect their workers against the viral spread. 1,500 employees have since signed the petition.

Amazon says they are following the instruction of health officials regarding proper protocols in which to continue operations, taking the relevant precautions to protect their workers in the process.

“We are going to great lengths to keep the buildings extremely clean and help employees practice important precautions such as social distancing and other measures,” Amazon spokeswoman Kelly Cheeseman said, according to the Post. “Those who don’t want to come to work are welcome to use paid and unpaid time off options and we support them in doing so.”

Amazon already started delaying shipments of non-essential items to the United States for up to one month - prioritizing deliveries of medical supplies and basic household items in an attempt to get a handle on customer demand as a result of the coronavirus outbreak.
 

jward

passin' thru
Novel Coronavirus - Covid19
@PandemicCovid20

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Intensive Care Unit Resource Planning During COVID-19 Emergency at the Regional Level: the Italian case. | medRxiv http://dlvr.it/RSWrTY #coronavirus #covid19 #pandemic

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Intensive Care resource Planning During COVID-19 Emergency at the Regional Level: the Italian case.
Pietro Hiram Guzzi, Giuseppe Tradigo, Pierangelo Veltri

doi: Intensive Care Unit Resource Planning During COVID-19 Emergency at the Regional Level: the Italian case.
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.




Abstract
Severe acute respiratory syndrome Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) has been declared a worldwide emergency and a pandemic disease by the World Health Organisation (WHO). It started in China in December 2019, and it is currently rapidly spreading throughout Italy, which is now the most affected country after China. There is great attention for the diffusion and evolution of the CoVid-19 infection which started from the north (particularly in the Lombardia region) and it is now rapidly affecting other Italian regions. We investigate on the impact of patients hospitalisation in Intensive Care Units (ICUs) at a regional and subregional granularity. We propose a model derived from well-known models in epidemic to estimate the needed number of places in intensive care units. The model will help decision-makers to plan resources in the short and medium-term in order to guarantee appropriate treatments to all patients needing it. We analyse Italian data at regional level up to March 15th aiming to: (i) support health and government decision-makers in gathering rapid and efficient decisions on increasing health structures capacities (in terms of ICU slots) and (ii) define a scalable geographic model to plan emergency and future CoVid-19 patients management using reallocating them among health structures. Finally, the here proposed model can be useful in countries where CoVid-19 is not yet strongly diffused.
Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.
Funding Statement
We did not receive any external funding.
Author Declarations
All relevant ethical guidelines have been followed; any necessary IRB and/or ethics committee approvals have been obtained and details of the IRB/oversight body are included in the manuscript.
Yes
All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived.
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I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance).
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I have followed all appropriate research reporting guidelines and uploaded the relevant EQUATOR Network research reporting checklist(s) and other pertinent material as supplementary files, if applicable.
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jward

passin' thru

PanBear

Veteran Member
SCMP News @SCMPNews
March 24, 2020
Wuhan To Ease Coronavirus Lockdown
The lockdown in Wuhan, the epicentre of China’s #Covid19 outbreak, will end April 8. People will be free to leave the city after 2 months of travel restrictions Wuhan lockdown to end in two weeks as China gets people back to work
video 1:20 min
View: https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1242654438562525184

Coronavirus: Wuhan lockdown to end in two weeks as China gets people back to work
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Poppy doesn't WANT to be brought up to speed. He has maintained this is all nothing for hundreds of pages in the face of today's realities...
The AHA's own conclusions are unarguable, at minimum. There's no higher authority regarding whether this is, or is not something severe that hospitals in this country will be facing. This will be only the 5th time in my 18 years here that I have put someone on ignore. But the second time for this thread...
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've never said I believe China. We all know they lied early on. But I do trust facts more than opinion. We now have death rates for several countries with lots of infections. Why would you think the virus would kill people in China at a rate 40X the rest of the world? Flimsy reasoning like 21 million missing cell phones missing proves nothing. Millions of foreign workers left China because they were laid off and to flee the flu. How many Chinese workers were laid off during their shutdown? Just like here, no income makes it hard to pay the bills and food is more important than cell phones. I'll wager we have or will have a big drop in cell phone numbers too as the phone bills come due and people have no money to pay them.
Am answering this simply for the benefit of other people who might be just coming on to this lately. The Chinese spit in their streets--droplet transmission. They have masses of open air, squatting latrines--fecal transmission. 49% of Chinese men smoke, It has been discovered that doing so makes it 3 times easier for the spike protein in the virus to latch on to ACE2 receptors in the lower lobes of the lung. And their population density exceeds even that of New York. Your willful ignorance is no longer welcome. It is harmful to the uninformed.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Husbands company has 30-something factories in China. Most had re-opened at limited capacity as of a couple weeks ago. Even the WUHAN/Hubei factories. Now a few have shut back down again, reports of many getting sick again, including one of companies Chinese directors in Tianjin.. (instead of peasant at factory) so now it's serious :rolleyes:

A few Orders in USA staring to cancel now...
OK - POST OF THE DAY - and it needs to be screamed in large caps because this is not only bad news, it really really adds to teeth to why Nightwolf noticed that "Dr. Fauci looks like a man trying not to cry" and suggests that no matter what anyone "wants" (Trump or anyone affected by this) the virus may have weeks to go before it even levels off for round one.

Several here have posted that "gradually people will just get back to work and then reality will set in and everyone will be working" or words to that effect.

I restrained myself from saying "unless that new 'reality' includes people dropping, seizing and bleeding out beside them on the factory floor, the bus stop or the grocery counter."

I hope that does not happen, I find it as horrifying as anyone else but it WAS (and may still be) the reality in China.

This post is talking about FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE of factories that shut down, reopened and were then forced by the disease to shut down again in China.

And I am pretty sure that in China, they don't just send people home with a sniffle or are very happy if they call in with a "duvet day" (aka pulling a sickie).

I suspect rather strongly that people just keep working and working and working until - full stop them down.

Even the worst US Factories (often employee illegal workers) are not usually quite as extreme, and most will send people home after the first cough and registered fever.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Read in one of the tweets in the past few pages that India has prohibited exports of Chloroquine Phosphate. Just ANOTHER example of how our great "trading" partners are not there for us after we have allowed ourselves to become dependent upon them. I don't blame them, it is our own fault.

And we would do exact the same thing if we made it here. We would take care of our own first and India has over a billion to care for. Corporate greed fueled by government assistance moving so much overseas to save a few bucks has already killed many people in this pandemic, they just haven’t died yet.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Anyone else think we'll surpass 1 million (official) cases around the end of the month? I don't know about anyone else, but I cannot see the majority of Americans actually staying home long enough to make any real difference.
End of this month, 100,000. And of next month or sooner, on million. Assuming they continue to honestly report it.
 

jward

passin' thru
Up thread I mentioned my wife's uncle was running a fever of 103 and dry cough was in tested. He is now in isolation on ventilator at Joplin hospital. Still untested yet. So sad we're going to loose a lot of people.

Prayers...remember even the vented ones can and do make it!
...but yes, we're all going to walk through this season of grief, I suspect
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
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March 24, 2020 | 5:04pm

Seriously sick coronavirus patients in New York state’s largest hospital system are being given massive doses of vitamin C — based on promising reports that it’s helped people in hard-hit China, The Post has learned.

Dr. Andrew G. Weber, a pulmonologist and critical-care specialist affiliated with two Northwell Health facilities on Long Island, said his intensive-care patients with the coronavirus immediately receive 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C.

Identical amounts of the powerful antioxidant are then re-administered three or four times a day, he said.

Each dose is more than 16 times the National Institutes of Health’s daily recommended dietary allowance of vitamin C, which is just 90 milligrams for adult men and 75 milligrams for adult women.

The regimen is based on experimental treatments administered to people with the coronavirus in Shanghai, China, Weber said.

“The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C,” he said.

“It helps a tremendous amount, but it is not highlighted because it’s not a sexy drug.”

A spokesman for Northwell — which operates 23 hospitals, including Lenox Hill Hospital on Manhattan’s Upper East Side — said that vitamin C was being “widely used” as a coronavirus treatment throughout the system, but noted that medication protocols varied from patient to patient.

“As the clinician decides,” spokesman Jason Molinet said.

About 700 patients are being treated for coronavirus across the hospital network, Molinet said, but it’s unclear how many are getting the vitamin C treatment.

The vitamin C is administered in addition to such medicines as the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin, various biologics and blood thinners, Weber said.

As of Tuesday, New York hospitals have federal permission to give patients a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to desperately ill patients on a “compassionate care” basis.

President Trump has tweeted that the unproven, combination therapy has “a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”

Weber, 34, said vitamin C levels in coronavirus patients drop dramatically when they suffer sepsis, an inflammatory response that occurs when their bodies overreact to the infection.

“It makes all the sense in the world to try and maintain this level of vitamin C,” he said.

A clinical trial into the effectiveness of intravenous vitamin C on coronavirus patients began Feb. 14 at Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the pandemic.


L-ascorbic acid is a wonder ‘drug’ that treats and acts as prophylaxis against many maladies and is dirt cheap. Why isn’t it used more? Simple. It can’t be patented and sold for exorbitant prices and it’s the enemy of big pharma that wants to keep you and I coming back for all their drugs. You are a cash cow to be milked as you go back to your doctor as often as possible. I’m enjoying my daily 4 grams of vitamin c in a drink as I read the thread as I’ve done for years now.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Up thread I mentioned my wife's uncle was running a fever of 103 and dry cough was in tested. He is now in isolation on ventilator at Joplin hospital. Still untested yet. So sad we're going to loose a lot of people.

He's in Joplin's Mercy Hospital. Not far from "The Home," here in Neosho, MO.

Prayers for you and your family members, LYKURGOS...

OA
 
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