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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Florida governor plans to expand order mandating self-isolation for travelers from New York City area
From CNN’s Rosa Flores and Sara Weisfeldt


The Florida Channel

The Florida Channel

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced he plans to expand the executive order he issued for travelers from the New York City area.

During a news conference Tuesday, DeSantis said anyone who has traveled from the New York City area to Florida in the last three weeks will need to self-isolate and also provide a list of people they have been in close contact with in Florida.

Travelers will also have to provide an address in Florida where they will self-isolate.

DeSantis said he will sign the expansion to the executive order Tuesday.

DeSantis said that members of the Florida National Guard were at Miami International Airport and Fort Lauderdale on Tuesday, providing information to travelers from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut in compliance with the executive order he issued Monday, which requires travelers from those states to self-isolate for 14 days. DeSantis added that the effort will be expanded to smaller airports as well.

The surgeon general of Florida will be issuing a health advisory that encourages anyone 65 or older to stay home for the next 14 days. Also anyone with chronic conditions —regardless of age —is encouraged to stay home.

DeSantis also announced an expansion of the group gathering guidance to no social or recreational groups of 10 people or more, even in private residences.

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What a wedge... ( A wedge in military jargon is a useless tool )
 
LOL, apparently James Woods got suspended from Twitter again.
Read his link below if you want a laugh:


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Silverfox

TWTFS
I'm also in Colorado, north of Denver, and there is a national guard installation about a mile from my house. I have been making a point of walking past it on my daily dog walk, just to get a heads up if the guard is starting to prepare for deployment. As of today, place is still quiet, no lights on, no vehicles in the parking lot. I'll post a note if that changes.

Steve308

And then one day she disappeared. Edit, sorry, didn't see the Steve308. Then one day he disappeared. Oh, whatever.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven

Portland police chief says suicide calls are up during coronavirus outbreak
Calls for suicide attempts or suicide threats, with or without a weapon, are up 41% since this time in 2019 and 23% from the 10 days prior to the COVID-19 outbreak.

Author: KGW Staff
Published: 10:52 AM PDT March 24, 2020
Updated: 2:01 PM PDT March 24, 2020

PORTLAND, Ore. — Portland Police Chief Jami Resch said calls for suicide attempts or suicide threats with or without a weapon are up 41% since this time in 2019 and 23% from the 10 days prior to the COVID-19 outbreak.

It's important that people check in on family and friends via phone, video chat, text or email, Resch said.

Resch also said there are free resources available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for those experiencing a mental health crisis or thoughts of suicide.

RESOURCES
  • National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
    • Lifeline: 800-273-TALK (8255)
    • Support in Spanish: 888-628-9454
    • Text: "HOME" to 741741
  • Mental Health Crisis intervention line
    • 503-988-4888
    • Toll-free: 800-716-9769
    • Hearing-impaired dial: 711
  • Lines for Life
    • Lifeline: 800-273-8255
    • Text: "273TALK" to 839863
  • Oregon Youthline
    • Teen-to-teen services from 4-10 p.m. daily
    • Youthline: 877-968-8491
    • Text: "TEEN2TEEN" to 839863
    • Email: YouthL@linesforlife.org
  • Trevor Project
    • Specific to LGBTQ youth
    • Lifeline: 1-866-488-7386
    • Text: "TREVOR" to 202-304-1200 from noon-7 p.m.
  • County Mental Health Call Centers
    • Clackamas County: 503-655-8585
    • Multnomah County: 503-988-4888
    • Washington County: 503-291-9111
    • Clark County: 360-696-9560 OR 1-800-686-8137
RELATED: Mental health expert weighs in on challenges of social isolation


Resch shared some other key statistics:
  • Dispatched calls are 10% lower compared to the 10 days before the state of emergency declaration
  • Requests for emergency food boxes have increased more than six times for the same time period in 2019 and are up eight times from the 10 days prior to the emergency declaration. Resources: Sunshine Division has pick-up options, if someone is unable to pick-up, call non-emergency dispatch at 503-823-3333.
  • Domestic violence calls data is unavailable at this time due to different ways calls are coded. Resources: National Domestic Violence Hotline or Call to Safety
Resch made the comments during a press conference Tuesday with Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler and other city leaders.

In other news, Resch said officers have been instructed to use an educate-first approach to violators of Gov. Brown's stay-home executive order. Resch said the educate-first approach is especially important with the homeless population, who may not be aware of the order. Resch said if violators don't comply with warnings, officers will issue criminal citations for noncompliance.

Resch also said people should not call 911 to report people or businesses who aren't complying with the stay-home order. Those calls should go to the non-emergency line at 503-823-3333.
RELATED: Oregon's stay-at-home order: What is and what isn't allowed?
RELATED: Real-time coronavirus updates: Oregon and SW Washington

Who didn't think this would be a serious issue?
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Teaching Through a Pandemic: A Mindset for This Moment
Hundreds of teachers, many of them operating in countries where teach-from-home has been in place for weeks, weigh in on the mental approach you need to stay grounded in this difficult time.

By Stephen Merrill
March 19, 2020

The thought ended almost before it started: “This is so overwhelming.” It was all one teacher managed to type before she stopped short, vexed into silence, perhaps, by the sheer size of the problem. In the pregnant pause that followed, undoubtedly, every teacher tracking the unspooling thread—about the dizzying, rapidly escalating viral crisis that was closing schools across the country—recognized the chasm they were all facing as well, and scrambled to fill in the blank.

In the next few hours, over 500 teachers joined two Facebook conversations about teaching during the coronavirus pandemic, spilling out their concerns and anxieties: What will we do if the schools close for months? How can I shift to online learning if we’re closing tomorrow, or even in a few hours? How will special education students be cared for, and IEPs administered? What about children who have no internet access, or who will be required, as Keith Schoch thoughtfully noted, to “become de facto babysitters” for their brothers and sisters. “There is no digital divide, but there is a digital abyss, and America’s rural poor are living at the bottom of it,” said Anne Larsen, with devastating concision. What if, in the end, the school systems decide that online learning is working just fine, and never reopen?

The panic was all perfectly understandable.

But there were plenty of teachers in the mix who had weeks of crisis experience under their belts by that time—several in Hong Kong and Italy and the state of Washington, for example—and others who had long careers in online and distance learning. In the end, too, there were many fantastic, highly creative teachers providing strategies as fast as the obstacles appeared.

At the highest level, a shift in mindset would be required—even the most optimistic educators conceded the point. There are plenty of strategies and tactics we’re covering at Edutopia—and we’ll continue to—but here are the crucial emotional and psychological scaffolds that our audience agreed would be needed to teach in this new paradigm.

EXPECT TRIAL... AND PLENTY OF ERROR
Start by being reasonable with yourself. It is, in fact, impossible to shift to distance learning overnight without lots of trial and error. Expect it, plan for it, and do your best to make peace with it.

“I can tell you, now that we’re in week 7 of online learning, that much of what you will do will be trial and error,” wrote Stacy Rausch Keevan, who was teaching in Hong Kong. “Don’t stress about that—it won’t do you any good. For my middle school English and humanities classes, I’m offering the same lessons I would normally do live, but in smaller doses.”

ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXTRAORDINARY
Reset your baseline. We're all operating in the shadow of a global pandemic, and it is disorienting and limiting. Business as usual is unrealistic.

The real “points to consider” are not “the strict adherence to ‘regular’ conditions and norms,” wrote Amy Rheault-Heafield in a reply to a question about how to structure distance learning like more typical learning experiences, “but how to provide a rich experience to all learners who are now without ‘traditional’ teachers standing beside them in classes.”

So while you should try to provide “meaningful activities,” cautioned elementary teacher John Thomas, “we should remember that on short notice—and because many of us have limited PD utilizing these tools—we can’t tackle everything immediately. In other words, we should give ourselves the time and the permission to figure this out.”

REDUCE THE WORKLOAD (FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR STUDENTS)
If your district allows it, you should plan to do less. Students won’t be able to work as productively, anyway—so if you can’t scale back you’ll be sending them work they cannot do—and your own life and family need added care.

“Feedback from students and families over the last 10 days in Italy is ‘less is more,’” commented Jo Gillespie. “Consider that parents are trying to work from home, and siblings are vying for computer and Wi-Fi time. Try Google quizzes using Forms, a reading log, some short live sessions with teachers and classmates, maybe vocabulary extension, maths and geometry problems (but not too many). And that’s probably enough.”

And Keevan, the teacher in Hong Kong with weeks of experience, confirmed that time and distance play funny games during a crisis: “What would normally take you one class period to teach in the classroom will probably take you twice as long.”

NO PERSON IS AN ISLAND
Humans are social animals. Working from home, or worse, from quarantine, is isolating and often depressing for both teachers and students.

Make a concerted effort to speak to other colleagues and trusted professionals to provide emotional and psychological context to your work. Teaching at this moment is extraordinarily hard, and you’ll need the virtual company of people who are experiencing what you are.

And don’t forget to “reach out to students as often as you can,” said Keevan, who still teaches classes live despite a (slightly inconvenient!) 13-hour time difference. Or you can facilitate peer-to-peer communication. John Thomas assigns pen pals in his first- and second-grade classes, so that kids with no internet can feel like they belong.

EVERYONE THINKS THEY CAN’T—BEFORE THEY CAN
Some degree of pessimism and self-doubt comes with the territory. Teachers in the Facebook thread advised more perspective-taking and being more patient with yourself: You know how to teach, and you will figure this out in time.
“We are in week 7 and I have three children of my own at home,” wrote Salecia Host, a teacher in Tianjin, China, reflecting on the arc of her emotional response to the crisis. “Just take it day by day. It gets less overwhelming and more routine.”

Try to remain calm—though you’ll have a few moments where that goes out the window—and keep plugging away: “Being open-minded and flexible is key,” said Kaz Wilson, who also works in China. “Everyone thinks you can’t until you pause, talk it out with folks who are doing it, and know that you’ll get through it.”

MIND THE GAP
Your work will be hard, but there are students facing more severe challenges. Students with no internet or no computer will need support, as will those with learning differences or other circumstances that make distance learning especially difficult. Supporting these students was on almost everyone’s mind—it came up dozens of times in the Facebook thread.

“I’m in Italy. Our schools closed a few weeks ago without any previous warning. We shifted to online immediately. It is hard and exhausting,” admitted Eleonora Borromeo, before providing a ray of hope. “Equity is an issue. Assessment is an issue. But the students are doing their best and giving us the strength to go on.”
Solutions from our audience of teachers focused on the old analog approaches: paper-and-pencil tasks, workbooks and activity packets that can be mailed home, and updating parents and students via phone calls daily.
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COMMENT: My daughter is a teacher. They closed physical school until (likely) next year. The teachers are still giving class assignments via Chromebook, but they aren't allowed to grade them.

Hubby is working from home, which is involving meetings by Skype all day. He has moved to work in the back office where it is quiet.

They have three kids whose teachers are not giving assignments. My daughter is homeschooling them in the interim. She is not a happy camper right now.
 
White House and Senate reach deal on massive coronavirus stimulus proposal
From CNN's Manu Raju, Ted Barrett, and Kristin Wilson


White House Legislative Affairs Director Eric Ueland speaks on a phone on Capitol Hill, Monday, March 23, in Washington.

White House Legislative Affairs Director Eric Ueland speaks on a phone on Capitol Hill, Monday, March 23, in Washington. Andrew Harnik/AP

The White House and Senate leaders struck a major deal early Wednesday morning over a $2-trillion package to provide a jolt to an economy struggling through the coronavirus pandemic.

The deal caps days of marathon negotiations that produced one of the most expensive and far-reaching measures in the history of Congress.

"Ladies and gentleman, we are done," White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland said right before 1 a.m. ET. "We have a deal."

Negotiations have spanned around the clock since last Friday.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel is expected to take to the floor to announce that a deal had been reached on the proposal.

The full details have yet to be released.

But over the past 24 hours, the elements of the proposal have come into sharper focus, with $250 billion set aside for direct payments to individuals and families, $350 billion in small business loans, $250 billion in unemployment insurance benefits and $500 billion in loans for distressed companies.


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marsh

On TB every waking moment

Pelosi’s Coronavirus Plan: Up to $1,000,000,000 for Sanctuary Cities
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) latest coronavirus plan includes a provision that forces American taxpayers to provide up to $1 billion in Justice Department grant funding to sanctuary cities that shield criminal illegal aliens from arrest and deportation.

On Tuesday, Pelosi released a revised version of House Democrats’ plan in the midst of the coronavirus, which includes:
Pelosi’s plan also includes forcing American taxpayers to provide federal grant funding to sanctuary jurisdictions that refuse to turn over criminal illegal aliens to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents for arrest and deportation.
The provision states:
$1 billion [in Byrne Justice Assistance Grants] to help prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, including for purchasing personal protective equipment. Funds are to be distributed under the same requirements, conditions, compliance, and certification as 2016, thus preventing DOJ from blocking any of these funds from going to sanctuary jurisdictions. [Emphasis added]
Pelosi’s plan reverses former Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ implementation of Justice Department policy that cuts federal grant funding to sanctuary jurisdictions such as the sanctuary states of California, New York, Illinois, and New Jersey.

The reversal slipped into the coronavirus plan comes just a month after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled that the Trump administration has the authority to withhold federal grant money from sanctuary jurisdictions due to their failure to meet federal requirements that include abiding by federal immigration law.

The nation’s largest sanctuary jurisdictions – Los Angeles County, California and New York City, New York – release thousands of criminal illegal aliens every year. In 2018, New York City officials released close to 3,000 criminal illegal aliens back into communities. Meanwhile, Los Angeles County officials release up to 100 criminal illegal aliens every day.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Fauci (and Trump) keep talking about the areas of the country that are not like New York, and that it's possible those areas that aren't hot spots can go about normal activities. Fauci said, "We need to look at the areas of the country that don't have obvious outbreaks and consider that those aren't going to be like New York." Call me simple, but maybe they're just lagging behind because they don't have as many international travelers as New York??

Or because someone who is infected from somewhere else hasn't come to town yet.

There is one way this limited lockdowns could work. You could take an area that has no cases. Close it off completely. No one who is not in that area can get in even if they live there. If they're not there when it's locked down they can't come back. Have police/natl guard at every possible entrance to the city or larger area. Wait 2 weeks. If there are still no cases in that area, everyone in that area is free to move around in that area. If they leave the area they can't come back in. You can do that in any area that has no cases. The key is not letting anyone in, because anyone can be a silent carrier. The larger the area, the more the people can travel within the area. That also means no trucks or supplies from outside can get in so they'd have to figure a way to drop those off at the area limit, sanitize them and then have them picked up from someone within the area for distribution. It's doable but it has to be strictly adhered to to work.

HD
 

Silverfox

TWTFS
T

Teaching Through a Pandemic: A Mindset for This Moment
Hundreds of teachers, many of them operating in countries where teach-from-home has been in place for weeks, weigh in on the mental approach you need to stay grounded in this difficult time.

By Stephen Merrill
March 19, 2020

The thought ended almost before it started: “This is so overwhelming.” It was all one teacher managed to type before she stopped short, vexed into silence, perhaps, by the sheer size of the problem. In the pregnant pause that followed, undoubtedly, every teacher tracking the unspooling thread—about the dizzying, rapidly escalating viral crisis that was closing schools across the country—recognized the chasm they were all facing as well, and scrambled to fill in the blank.

In the next few hours, over 500 teachers joined two Facebook conversations about teaching during the coronavirus pandemic, spilling out their concerns and anxieties: What will we do if the schools close for months? How can I shift to online learning if we’re closing tomorrow, or even in a few hours? How will special education students be cared for, and IEPs administered? What about children who have no internet access, or who will be required, as Keith Schoch thoughtfully noted, to “become de facto babysitters” for their brothers and sisters. “There is no digital divide, but there is a digital abyss, and America’s rural poor are living at the bottom of it,” said Anne Larsen, with devastating concision. What if, in the end, the school systems decide that online learning is working just fine, and never reopen?

The panic was all perfectly understandable.

But there were plenty of teachers in the mix who had weeks of crisis experience under their belts by that time—several in Hong Kong and Italy and the state of Washington, for example—and others who had long careers in online and distance learning. In the end, too, there were many fantastic, highly creative teachers providing strategies as fast as the obstacles appeared.

At the highest level, a shift in mindset would be required—even the most optimistic educators conceded the point. There are plenty of strategies and tactics we’re covering at Edutopia—and we’ll continue to—but here are the crucial emotional and psychological scaffolds that our audience agreed would be needed to teach in this new paradigm.

EXPECT TRIAL... AND PLENTY OF ERROR
Start by being reasonable with yourself. It is, in fact, impossible to shift to distance learning overnight without lots of trial and error. Expect it, plan for it, and do your best to make peace with it.

“I can tell you, now that we’re in week 7 of online learning, that much of what you will do will be trial and error,” wrote Stacy Rausch Keevan, who was teaching in Hong Kong. “Don’t stress about that—it won’t do you any good. For my middle school English and humanities classes, I’m offering the same lessons I would normally do live, but in smaller doses.”

ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXTRAORDINARY
Reset your baseline. We're all operating in the shadow of a global pandemic, and it is disorienting and limiting. Business as usual is unrealistic.

The real “points to consider” are not “the strict adherence to ‘regular’ conditions and norms,” wrote Amy Rheault-Heafield in a reply to a question about how to structure distance learning like more typical learning experiences, “but how to provide a rich experience to all learners who are now without ‘traditional’ teachers standing beside them in classes.”

So while you should try to provide “meaningful activities,” cautioned elementary teacher John Thomas, “we should remember that on short notice—and because many of us have limited PD utilizing these tools—we can’t tackle everything immediately. In other words, we should give ourselves the time and the permission to figure this out.”

REDUCE THE WORKLOAD (FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR STUDENTS)
If your district allows it, you should plan to do less. Students won’t be able to work as productively, anyway—so if you can’t scale back you’ll be sending them work they cannot do—and your own life and family need added care.

“Feedback from students and families over the last 10 days in Italy is ‘less is more,’” commented Jo Gillespie. “Consider that parents are trying to work from home, and siblings are vying for computer and Wi-Fi time. Try Google quizzes using Forms, a reading log, some short live sessions with teachers and classmates, maybe vocabulary extension, maths and geometry problems (but not too many). And that’s probably enough.”

And Keevan, the teacher in Hong Kong with weeks of experience, confirmed that time and distance play funny games during a crisis: “What would normally take you one class period to teach in the classroom will probably take you twice as long.”

NO PERSON IS AN ISLAND
Humans are social animals. Working from home, or worse, from quarantine, is isolating and often depressing for both teachers and students.

Make a concerted effort to speak to other colleagues and trusted professionals to provide emotional and psychological context to your work. Teaching at this moment is extraordinarily hard, and you’ll need the virtual company of people who are experiencing what you are.

And don’t forget to “reach out to students as often as you can,” said Keevan, who still teaches classes live despite a (slightly inconvenient!) 13-hour time difference. Or you can facilitate peer-to-peer communication. John Thomas assigns pen pals in his first- and second-grade classes, so that kids with no internet can feel like they belong.

EVERYONE THINKS THEY CAN’T—BEFORE THEY CAN
Some degree of pessimism and self-doubt comes with the territory. Teachers in the Facebook thread advised more perspective-taking and being more patient with yourself: You know how to teach, and you will figure this out in time.
“We are in week 7 and I have three children of my own at home,” wrote Salecia Host, a teacher in Tianjin, China, reflecting on the arc of her emotional response to the crisis. “Just take it day by day. It gets less overwhelming and more routine.”

Try to remain calm—though you’ll have a few moments where that goes out the window—and keep plugging away: “Being open-minded and flexible is key,” said Kaz Wilson, who also works in China. “Everyone thinks you can’t until you pause, talk it out with folks who are doing it, and know that you’ll get through it.”

MIND THE GAP
Your work will be hard, but there are students facing more severe challenges. Students with no internet or no computer will need support, as will those with learning differences or other circumstances that make distance learning especially difficult. Supporting these students was on almost everyone’s mind—it came up dozens of times in the Facebook thread.

“I’m in Italy. Our schools closed a few weeks ago without any previous warning. We shifted to online immediately. It is hard and exhausting,” admitted Eleonora Borromeo, before providing a ray of hope. “Equity is an issue. Assessment is an issue. But the students are doing their best and giving us the strength to go on.”
Solutions from our audience of teachers focused on the old analog approaches: paper-and-pencil tasks, workbooks and activity packets that can be mailed home, and updating parents and students via phone calls daily.
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COMMENT: My daughter is a teacher. They closed physical school until (likely) next year. The teachers are still giving class assignments via Chromebook, but they aren't allowed to grade them.

Hubby is working from home, which is involving meetings by Skype all day. He has moved to work in the back office where it is quiet.

They have three kids whose teachers are not giving assignments. My daughter is homeschooling them in the interim. She is not a happy camper right now.
This is a joke, right? You don't actually believe this dribble do you?

Fox
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
And so it begins ... two (2) confirmed cases at a nursing home in my town. The same nursing home my former M-I-L stayed in March 6th-14th - she's now at my ex's house - where my two "Jr. Haybails'" still visit. So, quite the "pucker factor" right now.

I think you may have to limit visits for a few weeks. Would your ex go along with that? If they've already visited since she's been back, don't worry about it, they've already been exposed if they're going to be exposed. water under the bridge. But if they haven't been there since she's been home, keep them away for a while. And they'll have to stay away from your ex too if he's living with his mother. Hopefully he's sane and reasonable and won't give you issues over this. Adding my prayers for your situation.

HD
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Fauci (and Trump) keep talking about the areas of the country that are not like New York, and that it's possible those areas that aren't hot spots can go about normal activities. Fauci said, "We need to look at the areas of the country that don't have obvious outbreaks and consider that those aren't going to be like New York." Call me simple, but maybe they're just lagging behind because they don't have as many international travelers as New York??

Or population density... And that is why you have a national lockdown! To keep those isolated areas from turning into New York Scenarios.

I swear... I am beyond disappointed at the way those in charge are handling this from Trump down to the idiots I am reporting to at work. Not a clue and a stubborn refusal to listen to ANY ideas or warnings
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
I was thinking Pelosi would kills this but :


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said the House could pass the bill quickly by unanimous consent. There is a risk that any member could object, which could lead to the need for a regular roll-call vote.

House members are now scattered across the country on a recess. The idea that members would travel back to Washington seems hard to fathom.
 
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Two drivers eliminates the hotel stop. A bottle and a funnel takes care of the piss stops. A cooler with some sandwiches from home, cold drinks and a bag or two of snacks takes care of the restaurants. Far as the gas, gloves, mask and social distancing.

added …. forgot the poop breaks. Two rolls of tp a dark road and a bush takes care of that.
I won't use germy public rest rooms. I always carry a tupperware under my seat in case i have to "pee". I do it fast in broad daylight and no one even notices or looks. I cover myself with a jacket. I'm quick. Then i bring home, dump in toilet, and wash out. Dry and put a napkin or other paper inside for the next time. Easy peasy.
 

vestige

Deceased
Or population density... And that is why you have a national lockdown! To keep those isolated areas from turning into New York Scenarios.

I swear... I am beyond disappointed at the way those in charge are handling this from Trump down to the idiots I am reporting to at work. Not a clue and a stubborn refusal to listen to ANY ideas or warnings

Initially, the Chinese clamped down big time and could not contain it.

By comparison... we are playing with it.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
OR he does see what is happening and is letting events at the time (Easter) be the reason we have to shut down longer, instead of him just saying "Because I said so." We all know how well that turns out. There's too many people (even very smart people and lots of not so smart people) who just can't see the consequences of this virus and the shut down, or lack of. The future is a scary thing right now, and without hope, there will be no economy, no functioning society (which was barely hanging on before this all started) and no nation.

I like Trump too but I think you are giving him too much credit. He's been plugging this 'it'll all be fine in April' line since this reached his attention in Feb and he's sticking with it. He's great at setting up the dems and MSM with bait they take every time, but I think this is different, I think when talking to the American people he means what he says. But I do think the rest of his team are doing exactly what you say - to HIM - yes'ing him and saying sure to his suggestion, with them being the ones who know that events themselves are going to dictate what his response will have to be and if he's going to insist that things will be fine, let him insist all he wants, and wait for the date to roll around and either he'll be right, so no point arguing, or more likely, they'll be right and he'll have to change his position when the reality is right there in front of him and not a projection that he refuses to accept.

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marsh

On TB every waking moment

Poll: Americans Growing More Concerned over Economy Than Personal Heath
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A nearly empty Times Square is seen on March 23, 2020 in New York City. - Wall Street fell early March 23, 2020 as Congress wrangled over a massive stimulus package while the Federal Reserve unveiled new emergency programs to boost the economy including with unlimited bond buying. About 45 …
ANGELA WEISS/AFP via Getty ImagesHANNAH BLEAU24 Mar 202071

Americans are growing more concerned over the state of the American economy than that of their personal health, a Harris Poll released this week revealed.

The survey, fielded March 21-22 among 2,023 U.S. adults, found that a majority of Americans, 61 percent, now consider the amount of fear in society as “sensible given how serious the [coronavirus] pandemic has become.” That reflects a 15-point jump from the 46 percent of Americans who viewed the fear as warranted last week.

The survey also reviewed the issues people are “increasingly concerned about” and found that concerns over the economy surpass all other worries, including personal health.

Eighty-four percent of respondents, surveyed March 13-14, said they were growing increasingly concerned over the state of the economy, but at the time, worries over the health of older friends and relatives topped the list, with 86 percent. While those concerns have risen over the course of the last week, worries over the economy now top the list, with 91 percent of Americans indicating unease. Meanwhile, 75 percent say they are concerned about their personal health, 90 percent say they are worried about older relatives and friends, and 87 percent indicate concern over the health of Americans “broadly.”

The survey comes as lawmakers fight for an agreement on bipartisan economic relief legislation. Democrats blocked the measure over the weekend after receiving what appeared to be marching orders from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who flew into D.C. on Sunday — the same day GOP lawmakers claim the negotiations completely fell apart.

President Trump said on Tuesday that he would like to have the U.S. economy reopened by Easter on April 12.

“I would love to have the country opened up and rearing to go by Easter,” he said during a Fox News town hall on Tuesday.

“We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought, and people can go back to work and they can also practice good judgment,” he added.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Report: Connecticut Birthday Party Became Coronavirus ‘Super-Spreading Event’
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NEW YORK, NY - MARCH 24: Doctors test hospital staff with flu-like symptoms for coronavirus (COVID-19) in set-up tents to triage possible COVID-19 patients outside before they enter the main Emergency department area at St. Barnabas hospital in the Bronx on March 24, 2020 in New York City. New York …
Misha Friedman/Getty ImagesAMY FURR24 Mar 202085

Over half of a woman’s 50 party guests tested positive for the Chinese coronavirus following the celebration on March 5 in Westport, Connecticut.
Health experts are calling the 40th birthday bash a suspected coronavirus “super-spreading event” following the gathering that took place at a home in the area, according to Fox News.

Prior to the celebration, there were no known cases of the disease in Connecticut.

“The Westport soirée — Party Zero in southwestern Connecticut and beyond — is a story of how, in the Gilded Age of money, social connectedness and air travel, a pandemic has spread at lightning speed,” according to the New York Times.

The report continued:
The partygoers — more than half of whom are now infected — left that evening for Johannesburg, New York City and other parts of Connecticut and the United States, all seeding infections on the way. Westport, a town of 28,000 on the Long Island Sound, did not have a single known case of the coronavirus on the day of the party. It had 85 on Monday, up more than 40-fold in 11 days.
William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard, said the party may be an example of how fast and how far the virus can spread.
He stated:
Some of the early cases in Northern Italy were associated with small towns, and people thought, “Oh, it’s just in the small towns.” But then you suddenly find cases emerging from Milan Fashion Week and spreading internationally. Everywhere you think the virus is, it’s ahead of you.
Connecticut officials have since implemented several measures to hopefully keep the virus from spreading further.

“It’s no use pointing fingers,” guest Cheryl Chutter told the New York Times after her test came back positive.

“It’s not like you’re going to lock that one person up when there are millions of people in the world who have it. We’re so past that,” she commented.

In an update on Twitter Tuesday afternoon, Gov. Ned Lamont announced that 203 more residents had contracted the disease, which brought the state’s total to 618:

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71 people are hospitalized and there have been 12 fatalities.

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“The more people stay home, especially people over the age of 70 stay home, we can flatten the curve, allow our healthcare system to stay ahead of the surge,” Lamont said in a video shared on his profile.

“I promise you every day the state of Connecticut is doing what we can to keep you and your families safe,” he concluded.
 

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Sims – Get America Moving Again: Why Trump Is Right to Re-Open the Economy

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US President Donald Trump gestures as he arrives to speak during a rally in Manchester, New Hampshire on February 10, 2020. (Photo by JIM WATSON / AFP) (Photo by JIM WATSON/AFP via Getty Images)
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President Donald Trump’s economic policies ushered in an economic boom the likes of which we had not seen in decades, if ever. Now, faced with a pandemic that has ground the world’s economy to a halt, the President faces the unenviable task of trying to head off an immediate public health crisis without inducing a long-term economic crisis that could be even more devastating to the well-being of the American people. So while it is important that the President continue receiving advice from medical experts, as he has been with Dr. Anthony Fauci and others, his recent comments make it clear that he is also smartly taking into account the human impact of the economic decisions he is facing.

This type of multivariate analysis is at the heart of every difficult decision a president has to make. While armchair analysts have the luxury of cherry-picking stats and facts to make their points, presidents have to weigh the broad real-world impact of everything they do. And when you’re making decisions that impact all 325 million American citizens–and billions of people all around the world–there are an infinite number of variables to consider.

Making these decisions must start with receiving good information, which he clearly is from the world-class experts he appointed to his coronavirus response team.

Unfortunately, the media has taken the opposite approach, inundating Americans with worst-case scenarios and doomsday predictions, often from people with a political ax to grind. For instance, Andy Slavitt, one of the architects of Obamacare, predicted all the nation’s hospitals would be overrun by March 23. Obviously that turned out to not even be remotely accurate.

New modeling from Oxford University’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group, on the other hand, implies “that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment.”

Nearly all deaths from the virus are happening to people with multiple morbidity factors.

Rather than shutting down the economy for months on end, these points suggest the government should focus on protecting the most vulnerable among us while empowering most Americans to get back to work, preserve millions of jobs, and jumpstart the economy.

This is exactly what the President was getting at when he tweeted, “the cure cannot be worse than the problem.” The virus has likely caused a recession. The government should not turn it into a depression by making decisions based on fear and panic. A temporary quarantine to protect the public is one thing, but enforcing long-term isolation for the entire country is a recipe for economic destruction from which we may never fully recover.

Just consider the fact that the government is about to inject trillions into an economy that has been on pause for a couple of weeks — and yet we are still facing a significant uptick in unemployment and the closing of thousands of small businesses. Just imagine what many more weeks or even months of this dynamic would look like. No government bailout could ever be enough. Only the reopening of the American free-market–the greatest economic engine the world has ever known–will ensure that we rise from the ashes.

Such moves should obviously be done in the safest way possible. Some recent suggestions have included the continued isolation of older Americans and those with pre-existing conditions that put them at greater risk. The public health impact of every idea should be weighed with the seriousness it deserves. But we must also weigh the human impact of lost jobs, lost homes and lost businesses–the elimination of the pursuit of happiness, as the founders put it. Economists, small business owners, and regular hard-working Americans should not be shouted down for being callous or unreasonable for pointing out the economic impact of the decisions that are being made.

During my time in the White House, I found the President to be extremely adept at listening to diverse opinions, weighing countless variables, and decisively making decisions that he believes are in the best interest of the American people.

He is now facing perhaps the most difficult decision of his presidency–will we accept economic defeat at the hands of this invisible enemy, or will we protect our people while also getting American moving again? I trust the President to make the right call.

Cliff Sims is a former Special Assistant to the President and Director of White House Message Strategy for President Donald J. Trump.
 

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Poll: Americans Growing More Concerned over Economy Than Personal Heath
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Americans are growing more concerned over the state of the American economy than that of their personal health, a Harris Poll released this week revealed.

The survey, fielded March 21-22 among 2,023 U.S. adults, found that a majority of Americans, 61 percent, now consider the amount of fear in society as “sensible given how serious the [coronavirus] pandemic has become.” That reflects a 15-point jump from the 46 percent of Americans who viewed the fear as warranted last week.

The survey also reviewed the issues people are “increasingly concerned about” and found that concerns over the economy surpass all other worries, including personal health.

Eighty-four percent of respondents, surveyed March 13-14, said they were growing increasingly concerned over the state of the economy, but at the time, worries over the health of older friends and relatives topped the list, with 86 percent. While those concerns have risen over the course of the last week, worries over the economy now top the list, with 91 percent of Americans indicating unease. Meanwhile, 75 percent say they are concerned about their personal health, 90 percent say they are worried about older relatives and friends, and 87 percent indicate concern over the health of Americans “broadly.”

The survey comes as lawmakers fight for an agreement on bipartisan economic relief legislation. Democrats blocked the measure over the weekend after receiving what appeared to be marching orders from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who flew into D.C. on Sunday — the same day GOP lawmakers claim the negotiations completely fell apart.

President Trump said on Tuesday that he would like to have the U.S. economy reopened by Easter on April 12.

“I would love to have the country opened up and rearing to go by Easter,” he said during a Fox News town hall on Tuesday.

“We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought, and people can go back to work and they can also practice good judgment,” he added.

I really hope President Trump isn't making decisions based on polls. I'm not saying he's doing something he'd rather not do based on a poll, I don't think he's become that political. But I could see him wanting to make a decision and saying - see, the American people agree with me, look at this poll - but even that is a mistake imho. He should be making decisions based on facts and science, not on instinct or what his business friends want him to do. or what the federal reserve and banksters demands he do or they'll continue to crash the market (my personal theory - that he's being 'blackmailed' by the big money boys who make the market go up or down depending on what he says; whenever he publically states a position that favors them - surprise - the market goes back up; whenever he says something that is not what they'd want - it goes down. Coincidence? I'm not sure it is...)

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Kentucky Resident Attends ‘Coronavirus Party,’ Contracts It

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A Kentucky resident has tested positive for the Chinese coronavirus after attending a “coronavirus party,” Gov. Andy Beshear (D) announced on Tuesday.
Beshear said at a press briefing that the individual recently attended a gathering of adults in their 20s but stopped short of naming which country they are from.

“I guess thinking they were invincible flaunting the mass gathering prohibition,” Beshear judged. “This is something that no one should be doing across the commonwealth.

“We all owe each other a duty to protect each other,” the governor added. “And we simply can’t have folks that are doing things like this.”

As of Tuesday, Kentucky has confirmed 163 cases of the illness, and four people have died.

“This is the part where I, the person that tells everybody to be calm, have to remain calm myself,” the governor continued. “Because anyone who goes to something like this may think that they are indestructible, but it’s someone else’s loved one that they are going to hurt.”

“We are battling for the health and even the lives of our parents and our grandparents,” he added. “Don’t be so callous as to intentionally go to something and expose yourself to something that can kill other people. We ought to be much better than that.”

The state is scheduled to receive $1.6 million in federal funds to fight the outbreak.

“In response to the coronavirus, I was proud to lead bipartisan efforts as Senate Majority Leader to deliver urgent funding for community health centers nationwide, including $1.6 million to Kentucky,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said in a statement.“Community health centers are an essential resource for quality, primary care in many rural areas of Kentucky.

Editor’s Note: No individuals in the photo accompanying this article are linked to this medical case. The image is illustrative and not a literal depiction of the events in this story.
 

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Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg News: Federal stockpile of N95 masks was depleted under Obama and never restocked
by Emma Colton
| March 23, 2020 10:23 AM

The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times.

The Trump administration is scrambling to replenish a stockpile of protective medical gear for healthcare workers and patients as the coronavirus sweeps across the nation. N95 respirator masks are one of the most needed medical supplies amid the outbreak.

The George W. Bush administration published the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza plan in 2005, which called on the federal government to distribute medical supplies from the Strategic National Stockpile governed by the Health and Human Services Department in the event of an outbreak.

In 2009, the H1N1 outbreak hit the United States, leading to 274,304 hospitalizations, 12,469 deaths, and a depletion of N95 respirator masks.
A federally backed task force and a safety equipment organization both recommended to the Obama administration that the stockpile be replenished with the 100 million masks used after the H1N1 outbreak.

Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, said that advice was never heeded.

“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar reported last month that only 12 million N95 masks were available in the stockpile, “a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need,” the Los Angeles Times noted.

Bloomberg News reported similar findings last week, noting, "After the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog [of] orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”

Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration had asked construction companies to "donate their inventory of N95 masks to your local hospital and forgo additional orders of those industrial masks” and the Defense Department would provide 5 million N95 masks and 2,000 ventilators to help bridge the gap.
Johns Hopkins University’s coronavirus tracker reported 35,225 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. as of Monday.

Vice President Mike Pence, who heads the administration’s coronavirus task force, said on Sunday that a quarter-million people had been tested for the virus, with 9 out of 10 people testing negative.

"The FDA is working with manufacturers around the company to come up with faster, more innovative tests," he said.


So many problems trace back to a single point... hmmm.
 

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NY Tries Treating Two Coronavirus Patients per Ventilator: ‘We Don’t Have Any Other Options’

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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) revealed Tuesday that the state is experimenting with having two coronavirus-stricken patients share a single medical ventilator to make up for a shortage of machines.

“We’re going so far as to try an experimental procedure where we split the ventilator. We use one ventilator for two patients,” Cuomo said during his daily press briefing on his state’s efforts to combat the spread of the deadly disease. “It’s experimental, but at this point, we have no alternative.”

Cuomo explained the ventilators are being placed between two patients’ beds with two sets of tubes going to each person. “Necessity is the mother of invention,” the governor added. “We are working on this as we speak because life is options and we don’t have any other options.”
The announcement comes as New York races to transform Manhattan’s Javits Convention Center into complex to treat the coronavirus.

The center will add about 2,000 beds to New York’s 53,000-bed hospital system. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will construct four 250-bed temporary hospitals and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will build a fifth facility with an additional 1,000 beds.

New York has nearly 21,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, and 157 people in the state have died after becoming ill. The virus is projected to lead to a demand for 110,000 hospital beds.

“For us, a major thrust is increasing hospital capacity,” Cuomo said. “We’re trying to reduce the rate of the spread of the virus. But at the same time, we have to get that hospital capacity up.”

Cuomo said construction on the facilities is expected to be completed in about seven to 10 days at which point they can begin admitting patients.

The hospitals, which will serve to take on patients from the state’s traditional hospitals as they are overwhelmed, will also come with medical supplies and be run by 320 federal staffers.

“This will be a backfill facility, where we can relieve some of the pressure and the tension from hospitals by using these beds,” he said.
The UPI contributed to this report.
 

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In case people didn't notice Trump said all the New York people, plus all the rest who flex the big cities should self isolate for 14 days. Ain't happening. I have seen story after story highlighting the lethal impact of the stupid American. The disease is out of control because we took steps to INCREASE ITS SPREAD. How many cases will be on New York City two weeks from now. All these people left New York city just like back in january when cases just started popping up from nowhere until you figured out it was the ones without symptoms that did the real damage. We have 3 days in New York city before it is over.
 

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John Kennedy Gives An All-Time Zinger to Congress By Revealing What All Americans Are Thinking
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John Kennedy Gives An All-Time Zinger to Congress By Revealing What All Americans Are Thinking

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Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) is well-known for his one-liners and wisecracks and he did not disappoint on Monday when he was expressing his disappointment after Senate Democrats defeated a Sunday cloture vote for the Wuhan coronavirus relief bill.

As Guy Benson reported earlier, both Senate Minority Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) were demanded for unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions, increased fuel emissions standards for airlines, and expansion of wind and solar tax credits to be tacked onto the bill. In other words, they were using a national emergency to push for Democratic wishlist proposals.

"Do you know what the American people are thinking right now? They’re thinking that the brain is an amazing organ. It starts working in a mother’s womb, and it doesn’t stop working until you get elected to Congress," Kennedy quipped. "Do you know what the American people are thinking right now, Mr. President? They’re thinking that this country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by a bunch of idiots. Do you know what the American people are thinking right now, Mr. President? They’re thinking why do the members of the United States Senate continue to double down on stupid?"

Kennedy then said it is untrue for Democrats to now say the relief bill is just a product from Republicans. Indeed, up until now, Democrats had described the bill as being bipartisan.

"Now, this is not a Republican bill, Mr. Chairman. This is a bipartisan bill. We have spent hours and hours and hours negotiating these provisions with our democratic friends. This is not a slush fund. This is a bill to help people and businesses in America. This bill is going to increase unemployment insurance. This bill is going to send $1,200 to every man and woman in America, taxpayers who make less than $75,000 a year and $500 for each of their children," Kennedy explained.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell likewise blasted Democrats for playing political games during a crisis.

"I’d like to see Senate Democrats tell New York City doctors and nurses, who are literally overrun as we speak, that they’re filibustering hospital funding and more masks because they want to argue with the airlines over their carbon footprint? I’d like to see Senate Democrats tell small business employees in their states who are literally being laid off every day that they’re filibustering relief that will keep people on the payroll because Democrats’ special interest friends want to squeeze employers while they’re vulnerable."

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Sen. John Kennedy Gives An All-Time Zinger to Congress By Revealing What All Americans Are Thinking
 

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'Blow Up the Bridges': Some Wealthy Manhattanites Are Knowingly Bringing Wuhan Coronavirus to the Hamptons
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'Blow Up the Bridges': Some Wealthy Manhattanites Are Knowingly Bringing Wuhan Coronavirus to the Hamptons

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New York City represents over half of all of the 40,000+ cases of Wuhan coronavirus infections in the United States. There are hordes of wealthy people in the city. So, where would Manhattanites go at this time? The Hamptons. And the locals here are not happy. As New York Post columnist Maureen Callahan wrote, it’s all-out class warfare as the elite and entitled are making life hell for the locals.

She wrote that these folks, who landscape and tend to the super-rich during the summer months are not tolerant of this spring invasion, where grocery stores are wiped out and ditzy folks refuse to listen to the rules. One woman who tested positive for the Wuhan virus in the city didn’t adhere to protocol. She was told to remain in the city, but hopped on public transportation, didn’t alert anyone of her infection, and arrived at a hospital in the Hamptons demanding admission.

Callahan also added that someone flew a private jet into East Hampton and didn’t tell anyone until he landed. One local suggested they “blow up the bridges” to stop the mass influx of city dwellers (via NY Post):

The year-round residents, the locals who serve and clean and landscape for the super-rich in the summertime — and put up with all manner of entitlement and terrible behavior in exchange for good money — are silent no more.
“There’s not a vegetable to be found in this town right now,” says one resident of Springs, a working-class pocket of East Hampton. “It’s these elitist people who think they don’t have to follow the rules.”
It’s not just the drastic food shortage out here. Every aspect of life, most crucially medical care, is under strain from the sudden influx of rich Manhattanites panic-fleeing, bringing along their disdain and disregard for the little people — and in some cases, knowingly bringing coronavirus.
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“We’re at the end of Long Island, the tip, and waves of people are bringing this s–t,” says lifelong Montauker James Katsipis. “We should blow up the bridges. Don’t let them in.”
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Normally, the haves and the have-nots converge only in summer, and everyone plays their parts. No more.
“A big majority [of the rich] are truly disrespectful, and in my opinion don’t deserve to enjoy Montauk,” says local fisherman Chris Albronda, 33. He wasn’t shocked by the infected woman who deliberately came out here, even after she was told not to.

“That small act reflects a lot of what we deal with in the summer,” he says. “Selfish. Disrespectful. Absolutely horrifying.”
“I’ve seen breathtaking acts of selfishness,” says lifelong East Hamptonite Jason LaGarenne, 42. “I saw one guy walk out [of a grocery store] with a cart full of carrots. Just carrots.
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As of last weekend, SoulCycle and Flywheel were packed, as were bars, restaurants, clothing stores and coffee shops. As of Monday, “there was a line out the door at [East Hampton restaurant] Mary’s and Starbucks,” says the Springs resident. “If you’re going to make such a hoopla over leaving the city and hoarding your food, why not stay in your million-dollar mansion on the waterfront? Don’t go to Starbucks! I’m sure you have a coffeemaker.”
The issue is quite simple. The local health care systems are not equipped to handle this influx of people in the offseason. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy also made similar remarks concerning folks in New Jersey who are thinking about fleeing to their summer residences along the coast. Don’t do it.
 

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"Tinderbox For Spread": UN Braces For Covid-19 Carnage In Refugee Camps

Wed, 03/25/2020 - 02:45

"Around 70 million people are suffering displacement in crowded camps, awaiting the arrival of the coronavirus pandemic," an alarming report in Foreign Policy begins.

It's been low on governments' radar considering many are bogged down battling the pandemic in their midst, but the UN High Commissioner has warned there's a looming coronavirus disaster soon to hit the over-crowded camps especially across the Middle East and Africa.

"We don't know, and that's largely because we haven't done any testing," Muhammad Zaman, a professor of bioengineering at Boston University, commented recently on the potential case numbers in the camps. "We need to know how acute the problem is before we come up with an intervention."
Syrian refugee camp. Source: AFP via Getty/FP

A handful of Covid-19 cases have been confirmed in camps in Iraq as well and with suspected cases in migrant camps on the Greek islands, prompting the UNHCR to initiate a $33 million program to provide additional protective gear and sanitation training for health workers in the camps.

But many officials think it's only a matter of time before the pandemic unleashes carnage in the camps the most populated lying in Lebanon an southern Turkey along the Syrian border, with official Turkey numbers at 3.4 million. There are also sprawling camps across sub-Saharan Africa.

An official with the Norwegian Refugee Council, Jan Egeland, predicted that "There will also be carnage when the virus reaches parts of Syria, Yemen and Venezuela where hospitals have been demolished and health systems have collapsed."

Another humanitarian official recently interviewed by NBC called the already poor conditions camps "a tinderbox for the spread of the disease".

Azraq refugee camp, near Al Azraq city, Jordan. Image via Middle East Online.

Last week the UN was forced to suspend refugee resettlement abroad due to travel delays and closures due to the coronavirus pandemic. Last year the UNHCR settled a total of 64,000 abroad.

"Refugee families are being directly impacted by these quickly evolving regulations in the course of their travel, with some experiencing extensive delays while others have been stranded or separated from family members," the agency said in a statement.

The program's temporary halt also came after there were 10 confirmed Covid-19 cases in Germany among recently resettled refugees.

UNHCR spokesman Andrej Mahecic said of the cases: "These are people who are either refugees or asylum seekers." He told a press briefing the cases are in Munich, Berlin and Heidelberg.
 

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March 19, 2020
How Long Will Americans Tolerate Corona-Madness?
By Lloyd Marcus

A usually level-headed Christian conservative lashed out on Facebook, scolding everyone they thought was not taking the coronavirus seriously enough. Fake news media has successfully infected many with irrational fear.

Hearing Gov. Larry Hogan on my car radio announcing his executive order to close bars, restaurants, gyms, and theaters sounded like the script of a 1950s horror movie. “We will stop the spread of this deadly disease!” dramatically proclaimed Hogan. Litle more than 100 have died in the U.S. and under 9,000 worldwide. According to the CDC, during the 2018-2019 flu season, an estimated 16.5 million people got sick and 34,000 died in the U.S.

When Hogan mentioned plans to restrict church gatherings, a chill went up my spine. In the United States of America, government is mandating that people not attend church. Wow!

CDC data confirms that the martial-law-light mandates steamrolling across America are disproportionate to the threat of the virus. Some governors and most corporations are responding to media-mob pressure to halt life in America. Others see an opportunity to land a death-blow to the Trump administration.
Insidiously ignoring the CDC's no-need-to-panic-data, fake news media created and is gleefully fueling corona-madness. Using their huge bully pulpit, fake news media says anyone who dares to contradict their you're-all-gonna-die narrative will be dragged into the high tech public square, stripped naked, branded an irresponsible idiot with a hot iron and their career will be canceled.

It is disturbing that there is practically zero pushback against governors instantaneously overruling our constitutional freedoms. Sadly, many youths are clueless regarding their constitutional freedoms. They grew up in public schools where progressive teachers taught them that the Constitution is an outdated piece of paper written by racist, sexist, homophobic, and Christian dead straight white men.

We have far too many Bernie Bro youths who say, “If the government is going to give me free stuff, I am down with whatever controls government deem necessary.”

A gentleman said this about Democrats/fake news media in an email, "...they are willing to destroy hard working people's jobs to accomplish their power play." This guy is spot on correct. This is why I regard Democrats'/fake news medias' gleeful spread of corona-madness so loathsome and evil.

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Democrats and fake news media are 100% committed to destroying Trump, their greatest Nemesis. Collapsing the U.S. economy and even the loss of American lives is acceptable collateral damage in their quest for power to control every aspect of our lives. They believe corona is their highly sought-after kryptonite to kill We-the-Peoples' superman president.

A wise woman emailed me, “I think a lot of people are willing to do social distancing, etc., but they're unwilling to live in perpetual fear.” I say, “Amen, sister.”

How long can fake news media/Democrats successfully keep Americans at a fever pitch level of irrational panic and fear? How long will U.S. businesses allow media to bully them into losing billions of dollars simply because they hate Trump? How long will it take Americans to say screw this nonsense, “I'm going out for a burger and a beer?” I believe there will be a tipping point when Americans say enough is enough, I'm going to resume my life.

My baby boomer generation is still the largest demographic. We know our constitutional rights and will fight for them. We will not go gentle into Democrats' snap-of-their-fingers repeal of our constitutional freedoms intended to collapse our economy.

The simple truth is the coronavirus has had very little effect, causing around 125 deaths nationwide. What has caused the unprecedented closing down of America is media-hype about the coronavirus. We are suffering the consequences of deranged Democrats and fake news media willing to sacrifice everything to stop a president from implementing his America-first agenda.
Democrats and fake news media view the coronavirus as blood in the water to create a feeding frenzy of criticism of Trump.

Remarkably, every crazy, illegal, and evil scheme to remove Trump from the White House has failed. So will corona-madness. Why? Because God put Trump into the White House and only God will take him out.

Two buddies of mine said the hysteria is causing seniors in nursing homes to be isolated from visits by their loved ones. But Democrats/fake news media do not care. All they ever care about is furthering their socialist, communist, and progressive agendas and damaging Trump. Thank God Trump caught and denied Democrat Nancy Pelosi's sneaky attempt to hide abortion funding in Trump's corona relief spending.

In response to a 50-degree temperature day after people who have been cooped up in their homes because of a brutally cold winter, people rush outside wearing t-shirts and flip-flops. I believe Americans will eventually respond the same way, becoming emotionally burnt out over corona-madness. This will spark a huge economic boom.

Folks, the light I see at the end of the corona-madness tunnel is the strong will, spirit, and instincts of the American people. Without analyzing their feelings through a lens of political ideology, Americans will begin demanding to have their lives back: work, weddings, kid's birthday parties, restaurants, and so on. We are Americans!

Trump is the perfect man in office when that day comes. He will gladly say, “I am with you folks. Let's get back to keeping America great!”
 

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PSA: MOUNTAIN TOWNS ARE NOT SAFE HAVENS DURING COVID-19
Mar 20, 2020 By: Katie Lozancich Follow 0 0
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Sorry folks, this is not a time for a roadtrip. Wikipedia Photo.

There seems to be this strange perception that mountain towns are safe in the wake of the current COVID-19 crisis. Safe to whom? Most of these small communities have limited medical resources, in fact, the town of Jackson, Wyoming only has 10 ventilators. All it takes is one asymptomatic person with the virus to potentially overload an already tiny medical center.

Does this situation sound particularly safe to an immunocompromised 65-year-old who lives here?

Mountain towns all throughout the U.S. are making the same plea to visitors: Please stay home. Visit Mammoth Lakes recently released a statement asking anyone who wasn’t a primary resident of the area to stay away temporarily. And while these statements might feel blunt to visitors, please understand that they’re hard to make. Small communities are largely driven by tourism. Cutting off this the essential source of revenue equates to a catastrophic loss of hotel, restaurant, and other customer service jobs. We’re already seeing this play out in Jackson with a large portion of the community currently unemployed. Rather than add stress to our already spread thin resources, consider making a donation to our local food bank.
Instead of going on an epic road trip right now, use your time at home to plan a vacation when the pandemic settles down. All these communities would love your business—just not right now.
 

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Teaching Through a Pandemic: A Mindset for This Moment
Hundreds of teachers, —recognized the chasm they were all facing as well, and scrambled to fill in the blank.


over 500 teachers during the coronavirus pandemic, children who have no internet access, decide that online learning is working just fine, and never reopen?

The panic was all perfectly understandable.

teachers in Hong Kong and Italy and the state of Washington, Edutopia—and agreed

EXPECT TRIAL... AND PLENTY OF ERROR
It is, in fact, impossible without lots of trial and error “I can tell you, wrote Stacy Rausch Keevan, who was teaching in Hong Kong, “Don’t stress about that in smaller doses.” (editor's note: Obviously someone's on WindowPane).

ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXTRAORDINARY
Reset your baseline. We're all operating in the shadow of a global pandemic, and it is disorienting and limiting. Business as usual is unrealistic.

“strict adherence to ‘regular’ conditions and norms,” provide experience ‘traditional’ cautioned elementary teacher John Thomas, “we should remember that on short notice—and because many of us have limited PD utilizing these tools—we can’t tackle everything immediately. In other words, we should give ourselves the time and the permission to figure this out.” (Got Kim?)

REDUCE THE WORKLOAD (FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR STUDENTS)

do less. them work they cannot do—and your own life and family need added care. (translation: gibsmedat)

“Feedback siblings are vying for computer and Wi-Fi time. Try Google quizzes using Forms, a reading log, some short live sessions with teachers and classmates, maybe vocabulary extension, maths and geometry problems (but not too many). And that’s probably enough.” (brought to by GoogleYoutube)

NO PERSON IS AN ISLAND

Humans are social animals.

EVERYONE THINKS THEY CAN’T—BEFORE THEY CAN
“Just take it day by day. It gets less overwhelming and more routine.”
you’ll get through it.” (OBEY)

MIND THE GAP


“I’m in Italy. Our schools closed a few weeks ago without any previous warning. (editors note: Because 200k Chinese working in the garment industry returned to our country after the Chinese New Year and some of them bought the Kung Flu back with them)
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COMMENT: My daughter is a teacher. They closed physical school until (likely) next year. The teachers are still giving class assignments via Chromebook, but they aren't allowed to grade them.

Hubby is working from home, which is involving meetings by Skype all day. He has moved to work in the back office where it is quiet.

They have three kids whose teachers are not giving assignments. My daughter is homeschooling them in the interim. She is not a happy camper right now.

(editors note: Welcome to the New World Order)

Di-section of a failed system.

Editor in Chief,



Silverfox.
 
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marsh

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Ford is working with 3M and GE to make respirators and ventilators
CNN Profiles - Peter Valdes-Dapena - Senior Writer, CNN Business - CNN
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN Business

Updated 10:31 AM ET, Tue March 24, 2020
CNN Business)Ford announced Tuesday that it's working with 3M and GE Healthcare to produce medical equipment and protective gear for healthcare workers to help address shortages in the fight against the coronavirus.

Healthcare workers around the country have expressed concern about difficulties in attaining enough critical supplies, such as masks, gloves and ventilators, to deal with the influx of patients suffering from the highly contagious virus.

Ford said it will work with 3M (MMM) to produce a new kind of Powered Air-Purifying Respirator for healthcare workers, while also helping to increase production of 3M's current respirator device.

A PAPR has a clear mask that fits over the face. Air is drawn in through a tube connected to a pump that filters the air. The PAPR will be made using parts from both Ford and 3M, the automaker said, including fans used in the Ford F-150's optional ventilated seats. Ford is also working with companies that make batteries for power tools to find a battery that will provide a desired eight hour operating life on a single charge.

Ford (F) said it is exploring the possibility of producing the devices at one of its Michigan factories. 3M will also make the respirators at its own factory, Ford said.
Ford also announced that it's working with GE Healthcare to increase production of ventilators, sophisticated air pumps needed by some critically ill coronavirus patients. It is not clear exactly how Ford will help GE to make more ventilators.

"Working with 3M and GE, we have empowered our teams of engineers and designers to be scrappy and creative to quickly help scale up production of this vital equipment," Ford CEO Jim Hackett said in the company's announcement.

"We've been in regular dialogue with federal, state and local officials to understand the areas of greatest needs."

The automaker also said it will work with the United Auto Workers Union to assemble clear plastic face shields that protect people from possibly infectious bodily fluids. The Ford-designed masks are being tested at Detroit-area hospitals. They could be used by healthcare workers, but also others, such as store clerks, who must regularly deal with the public.

Ford is also using 3D printers at its Advanced Manufacturing Center to create disposable air-filtering respirator masks. Once approved, Ford said, the company could initially 1,000 masks per month but hopes to increase production as quickly as possible.

In the past, Ford has been involved in projects like building aircraft during World War II and iron lungs for polio patients. That history provided motivation for these new activities, CEO Jim Hackett said.

"It's inside Ford where people remember these stories," Hackett said in a CNN interview, "so the ideas were coming from within the company."

Other major US automakers have also made similar announcements.
General Motors (GM) said last Friday that it was going to work with Ventec Life Systems to help increase its production of ventilators for hospital patients. On Monday, the two companies announced that Ventec "is now planning exponentially higher ventilator production as fast as possible" as a result of the partnership.

GM said it is also looking into producing the devices at its Kokomo, Indiana, electronics assembly plant.

Ford has been coordinating with GM to ensure that the companies' efforts don't put a strain on any particular suppliers or other companies and hinder the goal of increasing production as much as possible, said Jim Baumbick, Ford's vice president for enterprise product line management.

Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk has also said on Twitter that his company could make ventilators if needed.

Last Saturday he tweeted that he had had "a long engineering discussion with Medtronic about state-of-the-art ventilators."

Medtronic (MDT) confirmed that it has had discussions with Musk.

Musk has not given any specific timetable for producing ventilators, though, and did not say what his companies and Medtronic might do together. Tesla spokespeople did not respond to requests for more information.

"Medtronic will work with Tesla and others to try and solve this ventilator supply challenge," a Medtronic spokeperson told CNN Business in an email. The company also did not provide any information about how Musk's companies could help in the production of more ventilators.

On Monday, California Governor Gavin Newsom told reporters that Musk had donated 1,000 ventilators. Musk Tweeted later that those ventilators had been purchased from China,

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCAU)also announced Monday it would produce as many as 1 million protective face masks a week that it would donate to hospitals, police and emergency personnel dealing with coronavirus patients.

All four automakers announced last week that they would temporarily shut down production of cars and SUVs at their US factories in the face of the coronavirus outbreak.
Additional reporting by Jackie Wattles
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This is my area and all we are hearing right now is that Trump hates Colorado and refuses to help, or won't help enough and that there really isn't anything to see here. There is some kind of media muzzle too, because we had a lot of almost hourly updates and now we are doing well to get a couple a day and they just say the same things again. That is probably the spookiest part and we being the Shelter In Place orders all over the metro area.
If they are using the FEMA structure, Colorado needs to declare a state emergency to access assistance. Just like Katrina and Louisiana, this means detailing from the local level up exactly what resources in what quantity are needed. They also must justify that they have exhausted local resources. (In floods and fire, that is exceeding a certain dollar damage/expenditure minimum.)
 
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marsh

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Am I the only one coming to the conclusion that Trump said we have to get back to work to force the stimulus package into finalizing? He has had this stimulus or go to work undercurrent for a few days, in my opinion. Just trying to get a gut check here.
I don't think so. I have a few DC lobbyist friends and one posted a Dennis Prager Column today with the old canard about this being less serious than the flu. All these business owners were clucking around in the comments about how they needed to reopen and get back to work.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Awesome! Yesterday I heard Facebook was donating a bunch as well.

Now, why would Apple and Facebook have N95 masks at all, and why so many?

Do all big companies have stockpiles of masks?
Have you been around CA in wildfire season? The air is thick and acrid. It hangs heavy and smokey. Your eyes water and your car has fine cinder ash on it. Studies were done by a couple of Native American tribes documenting the incidence of damage to the respiratory system of children and elders.

I think they are located in Santa Clara County next to my county and we get some smokey days during a bad fire season
 

Heliobas Disciple

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BREAKING: The First U.S. Test to Detect If a Person Has Potential Immunity to COVID-19 Was Just Developed
Kira Peikoff
March 22, 2020

While testing for COVID-19 ramps up around the country, there’s another kind of testing that will prove equally important to combating the pandemic: one that can detect whether someone has already been infected.

Why is this important? As former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb wrote in today’s Wall Street Journal: “If a sizable portion of a local community has some protection, authorities can be more confident in relying less on invasive measures. Once deployed, serological tests are cheap, straightforward, and easy to scale.”

Now, a microbiology lab at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, led by Dr. Florian Krammer, has just announced the development of this serological test. Leapsmag spoke with Daniel Stadlbauer, a post-doctoral fellow in the lab who helped lead the work.

Is yours the first serological test available?

They did something similar in South Korea. In the U.S., it’s the first of these tests.

How close are we to rolling this test out to the public?

Last week, we started this process and we finished the protocol today. Mount Sinai is trying to roll this out in the next few days in the clinic to see which patients have been infected with coronavirus recently or have been infected at all.

The protocol we uploaded today can be used as a template for other research labs or hospitals to follow the steps we provided and they should then be able to set up the antibody test. The idea is that this assay can be established anywhere in the world following these steps.

Are there any bottlenecks to getting this rolled out – supply chain or regulation obstacles?

There are no regulations that say you can’t do it. Research labs and hospitals for sure can do it. I’m not aware of supply chain issues because you need basic lab equipment and materials, but I don’t think those are in short supply right now.

How does the test work?

People coming to the hospital who are suspected to have infection with coronavirus, their blood gets taken routinely. This blood can be used for our test, too. The test will tell you if this person has antibodies against coronavirus. You can also test the blood of people who are not currently sick to see if this person was infected, say, a month ago. If there are antibodies in the blood, you can say this person is probably immune to getting it again.

It will be essential workers who need to be tested first, like nurses, firefighters, and doctors. It will be great to know that they would not put themselves or others at risk by going back to work because they cannot spread the disease.


How soon after infection does the test detect if you have antibodies?

Usually after 7 days of infection.

How long do the antibodies last to confer immunity?

Those studies need to be done – right now it’s unclear. People probably cannot get reinfected once they mount a good immune response and have good antibody levels. How long those level last still needs to be investigated. But they won’t get reinfected in the next, I would say, six months.

How accurate is the test?

Very accurate. The advantage – which is bad for us but good for the test – is that humans have no baseline immunity to this coronavirus. It means that when you have not been infected, you have pretty much no antibodies, which is why it can spread so easily. But once you have antibodies in your blood, we can detect them and it’s a clear difference between antibodies or no antibodies.

Where should hospitals and labs go for more information on how to build their own tests from your work?

They should check out our lab website to find the detailed protocol to download.

If I am a person who just wants to take this test to find out if I’ve already been infected, what should I do?

It will be done soon in the clinical setting. I don’t know yet how widely it will be available. The more research labs and hospitals that set up this testing, the more people who can be tested in the future.
 

Krayola

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posted a Dennis Prager Column today with the old canard about this being less serious than the flu.
I know we've re-hashed this to death, but with all the news coming out of Italy, and some of the other hot zones in the US, I just can't figure those people out. How they still think flu is worse. Do they just not watch or read any news? Or do they know, but it doesn't serve their agenda? I like Rush Limbaugh and I've always thought he was an astute person, but he is one of those people who think it's a nothingberger and is just some vast left-wing conspiracy to bring down Trump. I know some really intelligent, conservative, liberty loving people in the the meat world who are blowing this off. I find it most perplexing. Mind boggling actually.
 
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