Yes keep NYer's out. If they are snowbirds who own property here it's hard to tell them they can't come to a place they own and have been paying taxes on, but if they're going to be staying at hotels/motels/air bnb type places - shut those down so they have no where to go if they come here. And make them any one coming from NY, even property owners, pay to be quarantined, that will help keep them out.
Otoh, what's up with him not shutting down the state? What is he waiting for? This is a really dumb decision by a really smart governor. The way he stops it spreading to the counties with no cases is to keep people home. How hard is this to understand? You lock people down for TWO reasons: to protect those who aren't sick from catching it, AND FROM STOPPING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THEY ARE SICK FROM SPREADING IT. So many people are missing the second prong when they make decisions.
PS - I think the part about not being able to shop without a FL ID is fake news, it seems crazy to me but we live in crazy times so who knows...
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parsonswife
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I was wondering if powdered zinc applied topically with dmso would work
naturallysweet
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Trump did NOT say everything was going back to normal in 15 days. He said they were evaluate the situation in 15 days.
It's the magic 2 weeks that has been Focus group tested. People can do anything for 2 weeks, because they are focused on the light at the end of the tunnel.
He's just hoping they can ramp up mask production in that time to allow some manufacturers to come back online, and get a bill through the Congress.
It's the magic 2 weeks that has been Focus group tested. People can do anything for 2 weeks, because they are focused on the light at the end of the tunnel.
He's just hoping they can ramp up mask production in that time to allow some manufacturers to come back online, and get a bill through the Congress.
Experts know the new coronavirus is not a bioweapon. They disagree on whether it could have leaked from a research lab
Some researchers think a laboratory accident could have released the viral ancestor of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.
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Much remains uncertain about the new coronavirus. What treatments will prove effective against COVID-19? When will a vaccine for the disease be ready? What level of social distancing will be required to tame the outbreak, and how long will it need to last? Will outbreaks come in waves? Amid all these vital forward-looking questions remains a more retrospective but still important one: Where did SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, come from in the first place? Experts seem to agree it wasn’t the product of human engineering. Much research has been focused on the hypothesis that bats passed a virus to some intermediate host—perhaps pangolins, scaly ant-eating mammals—which subsequently passed it to humans. But the pangolin theory has not been conclusively proven. Some experts wonder whether a virus under study at a lab could have been accidentally released, something that’s happened in the past.
Among the latest entrants to the debate about the provenance of SARS-CoV-2 are the authors of a March 17 Nature Medicine piece that takes a look at the virus’s characteristics—including the sites on the virus that allow it to bind to human cells. They looked at whether the virus was engineered by humans and present what appears to be convincing evidence it was not. They also considered the possibility that the outbreak could have resulted from an inadvertent lab release of a virus under study but concluded “we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”
Not all experts agree.
Professor Richard Ebright of Rutgers University’s Waksman Institute of Microbiology, a biosecurity expert who has been speaking out on lab safety since the early 2000s, does agree with the Nature Medicine authors’ argument that the new coronavirus wasn’t purposefully manipulated by humans, calling their arguments on this score strong. Ebright helped The Washington Post debunk a claim that the COVID-19 outbreak can somehow be tied to bioweapons activity, a conspiracy theory that’s been promoted or endorsed by the likes of US Sen. Tom Cotton, Iran’s supreme leader, a high-ranking Chinese government official, and others.
But Ebright thinks that it is possible the COVID-19 pandemic started as an accidental release from a laboratory such as one of the two in Wuhan that are known to have been studying bat coronaviruses.
Except for SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, two deadly viruses that have caused outbreaks in the past, coronaviruses have been studied at laboratories that are labelled as operating at a moderate biosafety level known as BSL-2, Ebright says. And, he says, bat coronaviruses have been studied at such labs in and around Wuhan, China, where the new coronavirus first emerged. “As a result,” Ebright says, “bat coronaviruses at Wuhan [Center for Disease Control] and Wuhan Institute of Virology routinely were collected and studied at BSL-2, which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers.”
Higher safety-level labs would be appropriate for a virus with the characteristics of the new coronavirus causing the current pandemic. “Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose substantial risk of infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” Ebright says.
Ebright points out that scientists in Wuhan have collected and publicized a bat coronavirus called RaTG13, one that is 96 percent genetically similar to SARS-CoV-2. The Nature Medicine authors are arguing “against the hypothesis that the published, lab-collected, lab-stored bat coronavirus RaTG13 could be a proximal progenitor of the outbreak virus.” But, Ebright says, the authors relied on assumptions about when the viral ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped to humans; how fast it evolved before that; how fast it evolved as it adapted to humans; and the possibility that that the virus may have mutated in cell cultures or experimental animals inside a lab.
The Nature Medicine authors “leave us where we were before: with a basis to rule out [a coronavirus that is] a lab construct, but no basis to rule out a lab accident,” Ebright says.
Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for Global Health at the Council on Foreign Relations, recently wrote an article for Foreign Affairs that is dismissive of conspiracy theories about the origins of the pandemic but also mentions circumstantial evidence that supports the possibility that a lab release was involved. That evidence includes a study “conducted by the South China University of Technology, [that] concluded that the coronavirus ‘probably’ originated in the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention,” located just 280 meters from the Hunan Seafood Market often cited as the source of the original outbreak.
“The paper was later removed from ResearchGate, a commercial social-networking site for scientists and researchers to share papers,” Huang wrote. “Thus far, no scientists have confirmed or refuted the paper’s findings.”
While vaccines, treatments, and social distancing strategies are critical to fighting the COVID-19 pandemic, figuring out where this new coronavirus originated is, too. “It is reasonable to wonder why the origins of the pandemic matter,” the Nature Medicine authors write. “Detailed understanding of how an animal virus jumped species boundaries to infect humans so productively will help in the prevention of future [animal to people transfer] events. For example, if SARS-CoV-2 pre-adapted in another animal species, then there is the risk of future re-emergence events. In contrast, if the adaptive process occurred in humans, then even if repeated zoonotic transfers occur, they are unlikely to take off without the same series of mutations.”
Kristian Andersen, the lead author of the Nature Medicine piece, did not respond to a request for comment on the article, and W. Ian Lipkin, another of the authors, declined to answer any questions about it. Thomas Gallagher, a virus expert and professor at Loyola University of Chicago, seconded the authors in dismissing the idea that the pandemic could have lab roots. “The authors of the new letter in Nature Medicine are arguing that the SARS-CoV-2 originated in animals, not in a research laboratory,” Gallagher says. “I agree completely with the authors’ statement.”
“Suggesting that SARS-CoV-2 is a purposely manipulated laboratory virus or a product of an accidental laboratory release would be utterly defenseless, truly unhelpful, and extremely inappropriate,” Gallagher says.
Still, lab safety has been a problem in China. “A safety breach at a Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention lab is believed to have caused four suspected SARS cases, including one death, in Beijing in 2004. A similar accident caused 65 lab workers of Lanzhou Veterinary Research Institute to be infected with brucellosis in December 2019,” Huang wrote. “In January 2020, a renowned Chinese scientist, Li Ning, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for selling experimental animals to local markets.
And China is hardly the only place to experience such accidents. A USA Todayinvestigation in 2016, for instance, revealed an incident involving cascading equipment failures in a decontamination chamber as US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers tried to leave a biosafety level 4 lab that likely stored samples of the viruses causing Ebola and smallpox. In 2014, the agency revealed that staff had accidently sent live anthrax between laboratories, exposing 84 workers. In an investigation, officials found other mishaps that had occurred in the preceding decade.
Whether a lab accident could have led to the COVID-19 outbreak remains unclear, but making that determination is worthwhile, Ebright says: “Understanding the origin of the outbreak is a crucial step to reduce the risk of future outbreaks.”
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coalcracker
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Trump's news conference last night (after 15 days we are going back to work, America) has given a number of my family and friends some false hope. They were starting to wake up, and President Trump sang them back to sleep. The stock market looks like they are liking the music as well.
This 15 day plan.
Rumor here in PA is that schools will reopen April 6. This comes from the same sources who correctly told me ahead of time the exact date and length of time for the school shutdown.
It's either a feint, or it's part of a script. Either way, I don't like it. It's not organic, not fluid, not REAL.
It's like we are the mice smelling the cheese, and we may be oblivious to the trap.
Is it as simple as "the death rate is not so bad?" Or is it a state sanctioned evil designed to euthanize the costly care or retired baby boomers?
Either way, our God, mammon, must be served.
This 15 day plan.
Rumor here in PA is that schools will reopen April 6. This comes from the same sources who correctly told me ahead of time the exact date and length of time for the school shutdown.
It's either a feint, or it's part of a script. Either way, I don't like it. It's not organic, not fluid, not REAL.
It's like we are the mice smelling the cheese, and we may be oblivious to the trap.
Is it as simple as "the death rate is not so bad?" Or is it a state sanctioned evil designed to euthanize the costly care or retired baby boomers?
Either way, our God, mammon, must be served.
Agreed! What a wonderful idea!!! To quote Heinlein's character, Jubal Harshaw, "I've got a little black list, that'll never be missed..." Ah, what a wonderful idea...
Have a great day, and thanks!
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Tarryn
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Trivium Pursuit
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Hanta used to be a thing in the old SouthWest, IIRC...
Trivium Pursuit
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Lazarus Long was right. About government, at least.
questionable1
Contributing Member
What is the alternative? Do they still have candy stripers?
I guess liability is an issue. They are less liable with no care than unapproved care.
The lawyers should be busy when this is over.
Yeah, they banned it for everybody when it only was bad news for pregnant women. My understanding is that it was an excellent drug for depression and there were suicides when it was discontinued.
That is how misinformation spreads. I watched it and Trump did not say that. He said they were going to reevaluate the current plan to see where we are. He also said we may be able to let people go back to work in areas of the country where the virus is not a problem. He never said virus hot spots can go about business as usual. It makes sense. Why close a factory in some rural town when there isn't one case of the virus for a hundred miles? Much of the country is like that. He simply said we may be able to get some people back to work and control the virus at the same time. He repeated that at least 3 times because reporters kept asking the same question.
naegling62
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Yeah... it's just the flu:
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Putin dons hazmat suit to visit hospital treating coronavirus patients in Moscow (VIDEO)
Russian President Vladimir Putin traded his usual shirt and tie for protective gear as he visited patients receiving treatment for the Covid-19 virus in a Moscow hospital.
CaryC
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Well, I was on like glass 11 of Gin and Tonic, when I put that up. LOL
Indiana 3/24: 106 new cases
Totals:
365 Positive, 12 deaths and 2931 tested
Deaths: 8
These are the counties that reported deaths: Allen, Delaware (2), Johnson, Scott, and Marion (3) Counties.
Counties with double digit numbers:
161 Marion
25 Hamilton
18 Johnson
17 Lake
15 St. Joseph
13 Hendricks
coronavirus.in.gov
Totals:
365 Positive, 12 deaths and 2931 tested
Deaths: 8
These are the counties that reported deaths: Allen, Delaware (2), Johnson, Scott, and Marion (3) Counties.
Counties with double digit numbers:
161 Marion
25 Hamilton
18 Johnson
17 Lake
15 St. Joseph
13 Hendricks
Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard
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BassMan
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It is the way he says it. His negotiating stance always seems to be to ask for more than he expects to get. He really was emphasizing how he wanted to “re-open the US”, but on still retaining safety measures (distance, elderly, etc.), he seemed quite cold and insensitive.
Health and economic issues are somewhat in conflict, but yesterday, it seemed like he had “kicked the health experts out of the room”, which worries me greatly.
I can only hope he was posturing to get the stock market up, and has not decided to doom us all to resumed exponential spread of SARS-CoV-2 due to elimination of social distancing. With this spreading throughout the US, only having social distancing in states like NY and WA will result in continued exponential growth.
Double a penny for 31 days, and you have $10M. Double it for 62, and you have more than the global GDP. Those familiar only with basic arithmetic (+, -, *, /) don’t get exponential growth.
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mzkitty
I give up.
Hmmm...............
President Trump approves Louisiana disaster declaration
On Tuesday, March 24, President Donald Trump declared a major disaster exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered federal assistance.
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I am still puzzled by the lack of infection on the cruise ships. Everybody had the chance to get infected but only about 1/3rd actually reacted enough to flunk the test
So what is going on here? Is it possible that 30%+ of the populace is actually immune? Or are there various grades of immunity per person, some are susceptible to a light dose, others need a heavy one. .
Or are the 30% taking a longer time than understood to show signs of infection that the test can pick up?
I wonder if there was any long term followup.
So what is going on here? Is it possible that 30%+ of the populace is actually immune? Or are there various grades of immunity per person, some are susceptible to a light dose, others need a heavy one. .
Or are the 30% taking a longer time than understood to show signs of infection that the test can pick up?
I wonder if there was any long term followup.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
The way Trump handled yesterday's speech worried me (and I didn't even see all of it) it sounds/looks like he is ignoring the advice of health experts (even the more moderate ones) and basically has entered "bartering stage" when it comes to the current situation.
Unfortunately as a poster said hundreds of pages ago (and it needs to be a poster)
"Trump looks like a man who just realized you can't make a deal with a virus," except that right now, being human he is trying to.
I can't "wait" until he hits the "anger" phase of the emotional acceptance process (and Trump is human and not immune to that one either).
Unfortunately as a poster said hundreds of pages ago (and it needs to be a poster)
"Trump looks like a man who just realized you can't make a deal with a virus," except that right now, being human he is trying to.
I can't "wait" until he hits the "anger" phase of the emotional acceptance process (and Trump is human and not immune to that one either).
Again, when did you hear Trump say that? He didn't. Both he and Dr. Brix said social distancing and things like handwashing were still important for everyone and are a good idea even without this virus. Most people should understand that because it is normal procedure during flu season if you don't want the flu. Trump is sort of a germaphobe anyway and said he was always washing his hands until he ran for office and had to shake hands with hundreds of people a day.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's the opposite of what's been reported previously (medcram & etc.), but whatever works, right?
IIRC, cholorquine is an ionophore for zinc. It allows the zinc to invade the cell wall.That's the opposite of what's been reported previously (medcram & etc.), but whatever works, right?
BassMan
Veteran Member
During the press conference yesterday. I only heard part of the conference since the audio was dead on the on-line feed (for me on 2 devices), and the TV cut off the conference just as the lady (Dr. Brix?) was coming on.
For the portion I saw, Trump’s emphasis was definitely on trying to re-open. If earlier and later comments noted the need for continued social distancing - and not just in states like NY and WA - that is very encouraging.
coalcracker
Veteran Member
Trump was different last night.
No more referring to it as "Chinese virus." Instead, we hear, "Stop harassing oriental Americans."
Now he is back talking about flu deaths and automobile deaths. In other words, "No big deal." He is signaling an end to the current approach. Unfortunately, his new plan of "two things at once," cannot be done with an infectious disease.
Melodi and Bassman have it right in their posts above.
No more referring to it as "Chinese virus." Instead, we hear, "Stop harassing oriental Americans."
Now he is back talking about flu deaths and automobile deaths. In other words, "No big deal." He is signaling an end to the current approach. Unfortunately, his new plan of "two things at once," cannot be done with an infectious disease.
Melodi and Bassman have it right in their posts above.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nothing to see here, go back to work, it's over.
And BTW my fellow MSians: MS cases jumped by 71 overnight total 320.
Mississippi COVID-19 Cases as of 6 p.m. March 23, 2020
New cases reported: 71
All Mississippi cases
And BTW my fellow MSians: MS cases jumped by 71 overnight total 320.
Mississippi COVID-19 Cases as of 6 p.m. March 23, 2020
New cases reported: 71
All Mississippi cases
| County | Cases | Deaths |
| Adams | 2 | 0 |
| Attala | 3 | 0 |
| Bolivar | 4 | 0 |
| Chickasaw | 6 | 0 |
| Choctaw | 1 | 0 |
| Clay | 1 | 0 |
| Coahoma | 11 | 0 |
| Copiah | 5 | 0 |
| De Soto | 29 | 0 |
| Forrest | 14 | 0 |
| Franklin | 3 | 0 |
| George | 1 | 0 |
| Grenada | 2 | 0 |
| Hancock | 5 | 1 |
| Harrison | 24 | 0 |
| Hinds | 31 | 0 |
| Holmes | 6 | 0 |
| Humphreys | 1 | 0 |
| Itawamba | 3 | 0 |
| Jackson | 10 | 0 |
| Jones | 1 | 0 |
| Lafayette | 8 | 0 |
| Lamar | 2 | 0 |
| Lawrence | 2 | 0 |
| Leake | 2 | 0 |
| Lee | 12 | 0 |
| Leflore | 10 | 0 |
| Lincoln | 4 | 0 |
| Lowndes | 6 | 0 |
| Madison | 14 | 0 |
| Marion | 1 | 0 |
| Marshall | 3 | 0 |
| Monroe | 3 | 0 |
| Montgomery | 2 | 0 |
| Newton | 1 | 0 |
| Noxubee | 1 | 0 |
| Oktibbeha | 5 | 0 |
| Panola | 2 | 0 |
| Pearl River | 13 | 0 |
| Perry | 1 | 0 |
| Pike | 7 | 0 |
| Pontotoc | 2 | 0 |
| Rankin | 13 | 0 |
| Scott | 2 | 0 |
| Simpson | 1 | 0 |
| Smith | 1 | 0 |
| Sunflower | 3 | 0 |
| Tallahatchie | 2 | 0 |
| Tate | 1 | 0 |
| Tippah | 11 | 0 |
| Tunica | 3 | 0 |
| Union | 1 | 0 |
| Walthall | 2 | 0 |
| Washington | 5 | 0 |
| Webster | 2 | 0 |
| Wilkinson | 4 | 0 |
| Winston | 2 | 0 |
| Yazoo | 3 | 0 |
| Total | 320 | 1 |
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Interesting. To your knowledge, are there any other ionophores for zinc?
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
this is probably where the road closures are going to come from. Cutting off virus hot spots from areas Without clusters.
adgal
Veteran Member
This is my logic that China lied about their numbers. In 2017-2018 flu season, the United States lost about 20,000 people to the flu. That seems to be about the norm - in the neighborhood of 20,000. The US has about 345 million people - China has 1.4 billion - so about 4-5 times as many as we do. So, if we just work on ratios - they probably average about 100,000 deaths from flu in any given year. That would be the norm, right? So, if that's the case - why would they close down factories, quarantine most of their major cities, and basically destroy their economy for 3,000 deaths?
Ping Jockey
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TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
"after 15 days we are going back to work, America "
That is NOT what he said. An evaluation will be made on what to do next happens after 15 days, and he said that he does not envision a months-long period of what we're doing now. He did not say we go back to the way it was on day 16.