IIRC we have literally just a handful- like six or seven left : (I came across this film on infantile paralysis (polio) from 1949. It seems like that came in waves as well. So glad this doesn't hit children.
Wonder if there are any of those iron lungs left? It seems they moved equipment from community to community as it hit.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bws4KI2u6tk
10 min
Epidemic's Children - 1940s Polio Epidemic Fundraising Film with Iron Lungs 84610 HD
I froze some milk in their plastic containers (Just unscrew top and use some of it as it expands when frozen.)CM......I ordered 3 10# cans of Morning Moo powdered milk to have for my grandsons.
Containment-mitigation measures are AI-driven.
AI is not human. Remember that.
Be human and humane and American. I'm not saying hand all your stuff out to strangers. Just hold your head up and don't be afraid. Shit happens.
They blindfold horses to lead them out of a fire. Be calm and thoughtful or AI may blindfold you. No shit.
If they were just monitored or "under observation", but not tested, they could have been asymptomatic but positive much earlier, within the "normal" period.Feb 25, 2020 08:50 PM
SOCIETY & CULTURE
Guangzhou Family Cluster Appears to Experience Extra-Long Covid-19 Incubation
By Huang Shulun and Dave Yin
Shared bikes block the entrance of a street in Guangzhou’s Liwan district. Photo: Liang Yingfei/Caixin
A family in South China’s Guangdong province may have experienced a Covid-19 incubation period of a month, another case that could challenge the widely held notion that the maximum period is around 14 days and raise questions about measures taken to prevent the spread of the virus.
Authorities in Guangzhou’s Liwan district announced (link in Chinese) over the weekend that several members of the family of six tested positive for Covid-19 following a near month-long quarantine after traveling to the city from the epicenter of the epidemic.
The Pan family took a train from Wuhan, Hubei province, to Guangzhou on Jan. 22, and were then placed under quarantine. On Feb. 20, one of them, identified as the “son-in-law,” developed a fever. He tested positive for the disease on Feb. 21, and his wife and a child were diagnosed the following day.
According to the local authorities, the family was under medical observation between Jan. 24 and Feb. 7, something routinely done in the district for those arriving from Hubei. Nothing unusual was reported during this period, and the monitoring was lifted.
If confirmed by scientists, the case would add to evidence that challenges the current medical understanding of the disease’s incubation period, or the time it takes for a growing pathogen to reach a quantity necessary to produce symptoms in the host.
A study of more than 1,099 coronavirus patients by Chinese scientists, published in early February as a preprint, or a paper that has not been peer reviewed, has already made the case that the incubation period could be as long as 24 days, rather than the 14-day maximum previously believed.
Meanwhile, Xinyang, a city in Central China’s Henan province, announced on Feb. 16 that local authorities had diagnosed a “highly unusual” case where a patient tested positive on a third screening, some 34 days after leaving Wuhan. Furthermore, a person in Zhongshan, Guangdong, who had undergone a routine two-week quarantine after arriving from Hubei on Jan. 26 tested positive almost a month later.
At a Feb. 18 press conference, Chinese epidemiologist Zhong Nanshan, who discovered the SARS coronavirus in 2003 and co-authored the 1,099-person study, said that he did not find the longer incubation periods to be strange, explaining that there are always exceptions.
Of the Covid-19 patients studied, 13 had incubation periods longer than 14 days, though the majority developed signs of illness within two to seven days of contracting the virus, Zhong said.
According to an article by German researchers in the New England Journal of Medicine, asymptomatic Covid-19 carriers may be contagious, and the widespread practice of screening based on symptoms may not be effective.
Many countries continue to use two-week quarantine periods as yardsticks for assessing citizens with potential infections.
On Feb. 24, Guangdong lowered its Covid-19 epidemic emergency response from level one, the country’s highest, to level two.
Contact reporter Dave Yin (davidyin@caixin.com) and editor Joshua Dummer (joshuadummer@caixin.com)
===Guangzhou Family Cluster Appears to Experience Extra-Long Covid-19 Incubation - Caixin Global
Guangzhou Family Cluster Appears to Experience Extra-Long Covid-19 Incubation - Case adds to evidence that symptoms may not emerge for longer than 14 days, raising questions about containment methodswww.caixinglobal.com
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We might want to be prepared for things to move even much faster, once kick-off begun...Then we would see the three days until anarchy theory kick in. Three days of food in most cities, less in most homes. Game on.
I did my Sam's run today. Could not tell that anyone there was shopping for the virus. Saw only ONE lady wearing a mask--Asian. Kept my distance from her. All shelves well-stocked, no shortages. Did get one of the last packages of my favorite TP (Scott's) but plenty of other brands still there. Absolutely FURIOUS to discover you can no longer buy those great big cardboard boxes of Carnation powdered milk! They apparently no longer make / sell it! I am furious with myself that I recently donated all my old Y2K supply of powedered milk (something like 15 boxes) to a food donation center---I figured it was old and I'd just get some new at Sam's. Didn't know they had STOPPED MAKING IT except in little bitty bags or small cans!!! Even on the internet couldn't find it. Finally bought two BAGS (plastic BAGS---am concerned how well those are sealed and will last) at Kroger. ANYONE KNOW WHERE I can get LARGE boxes of powdered milk anymore?
Background. The outbreak of COVID-19 started in mid-December 2019 in Wuhan, Central China. Up to February 18, 2020, SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 70,000 people in China, and another 25 countries across five continents. In this study, we used 93 complete genomes of SARS-CoV-2 from the GISAID EpiFluTM database to decode the evolution and human-to-human transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in the recent two months. Methods. Alignment of coding-regions was conducted haplotype analyses using DnaSP. Substitution sites were analyzed in codon. Evolutionary analysis of haplotypes used NETWORK. Population size changes were estimated using both DnaSP and Arlequin. Expansion date of population size was calculated based on the expansion parameter tau (τ) using the formula t=τ/2u. Findings. Eight coding-regions have 120 substitution sites, including 79 non-synonymous and 40 synonymous substitutions. Forty-two non-synonymous substitutions changed the biochemical property of amino acids. No evident combination was found. Fifty-eight haplotypes were classified as five groups, and 31 haplotypes were found in samples from both China and other countries, respectively. The rooted network suggested H13 and H35 to be ancestral haplotypes, and H1 (and its descendent haplotypes including all samples from the Hua Nan market) was derived H3 haplotype. Population size of SARS-CoV-2 were estimated to have a recent expansion on 6 January 2020, and an early expansion on 8 December 2019. Interpretation. Genomic variations of SARS-CoV-2 are still low in comparisons with published genomes of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. Phyloepidemiologic analyses indicated the SARS-CoV-2 source at the Hua Nan market should be imported from other places. The crowded market boosted SARS-CoV-2 rapid circulations in the market and spread it to the whole city in early December 2019. Furthermore, phyloepidemiologic approaches have recovered specific direction of human-to-human transmissions, and the import sources of international infectious cases. |
Roundaben--
Given your conversation above w Trivium Pursuit--and the Twitter video from the Chinese lady CONFIRMING what we'd already heard about still-alive people being creamted because when they reached the point of needing assistance to breathe the hospital had NOTHING to help them breathe--no respirators, no oxygen machines----
I have a question for you.
I'm in my 60's, have had pneumonia 4 times (first time in just my 20's, twice during my 30's, last time was last year - March--and I thought I'd NEVER get over it)---PLUS I am allergic to cephalosporins, macrobid, sulfa (VERY allergic to that) and react very badly (toxic, not allergic) to floxacins. Only antibiotics left I can take are the cillins (oddly enough NOT allergic to those, though I am to the cephalosporins), doxycycline, erythromycin, etc. I also have a family history of heart troubles, though personally have experienced nothing worse than episodes of irregular heartbeat (usually from getting too tired, not drinking enough water, too low on potassium, etc.). Plus I'm about 40 pounds overweight & out of shape.
What I am worried about is what happens to my special-needs sons (young and healthy) if something happens to me.
So while I can deal with the "flu" if it just STAYS flu, I am worried about it turning into pneumonia, given how many antibiotics I'm allergic to. I also am worried about an over-loaded hospital system where I can't go in daily to my doctor's for albuterol inhalation therapy (which she did to keep me out of the hospital last year). (I do have an aerosol inhalation machine at home and some leftover albuterol doses, if they're still good after a year).
Now here's my question.
I was looking into the possibility--in case of mass quarantines being declared here OR hospitals becoming overloaded or both---of getting an oxygen concentrator. However, have learned---you can't just go out and buy one of those without a doctor's prescription, you can't legally sell (and thus, can't buy used) a used one unless "all original materials" come with it, and over-using or improperly using oxygen can be dangerous, even fatal.
Given that---weighing one thing against another---is it a wise thing for us to "consider" trying to lay hands on an oxygen concentrator---or could we be doing ourselves more harm than good by having one but not using it right? (too soon, too long, at the improper time where it can CAUSE respiratory distress instead of curing it)--????
....Or should I be glad I've updated my will, just "do the best I can"---and pray? (iow, I'm screwed)
"Health officials in both countries remain under-equipped to deal with such a a reality that seems more possible with each passing day," the report added."Refugees and internally displaced populations across Iraq and Syria have been identified as the most vulnerable groups in the region, should the spread of the virus become a pandemic," The Guardian reports of recent statements.
Have you looked on Amazon? We bought a 2lb bag of powdered milk there, and it was quite reasonable.
Here is a posting by
CDC Warns on Coronavirus: "It’s inevitable...” Here's How To Prepare
concerning the CDC video on the out break of the Virus....
The video has been scrubbed from the internet....
There is a lot more to this COVID-10 Virus than any government and our government agencies are releasing....
Prepare accordingly....
Prepare now for it is out to the American public...
Texican....
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CDC Warns on Coronavirus: “It’s inevitable…” Here’s How To Prepare
As of today, the total number of accumulated COVID-19 infections nationwide is 77,658, with 2,663 deaths. With this rapidly evolving outbreak, the CDC has done its best to stay in control of the rhetoric of keeping the public informed. Their main focus was to stay cautiously alert and keep the public calm, but as of […]
TESS PENNINGTON
As of today, the total number of accumulated COVID-19 infections nationwide is 77,658, with 2,663 deaths.
With this rapidly evolving outbreak, the CDC has done its best to stay in control of the rhetoric of keeping the public informed. Their main focus was to stay cautiously alert and keep the public calm, but as of today, they have significantly shifted their official statement and there is no denying the fact that coronavirus will come to communities in the U.S.
In another article, “The CDC said the agency would be shifting strategies and using a dual approach. Health officials still plan to try to contain the spread and slow down the spread of the virus into the United States. At the same time, health officials are now urging businesses, health-care facilities, and even schools to plan now for ways to limit the impact of illness when it spreads in the community.”
Without a tested tried-and-true vaccine, it is just a matter of time before the same things that are happening elsewhere start happening here. And with that, also comes the panic from those who are underprepared. The following are six key warning signs you should be looking for. The following information was taken from The Prepper’s Blueprint:
When these events come to pass or you see these signals, you should strongly consider implementing a self-quarantine lockdown:
If any of these signs begin to appear around you, it’s time to seriously consider distancing yourself from society, and especially highly dense venues like retail stores, sporting events or schools.
- Emergency officials say they have the situation under control, but more cases continue to pop up.
- Local and state governments officially declare an emergency.
- Cases have been identified at your local hospital or at schools in your general vicinity.
- The general public begins to panic and store shelves start running out of key supplies like food and bottled water.
- Looting and lawlessness occur within the local community.
- The virus breaches a 50-mile radius surrounding your home or town.
You Have an Opportunity To Get Prepared
In our last article, 9 Ways to Prepare for COVID-19, we mentioned there is a small block of time to get supplies in order before this virus winds up knocking on your door. Moreover, to be prepared for an infectious outbreak, home quarantine procedures and avoiding contact with the outside will need to be your focus. Therefore, you need to focus on a wide range of preparedness subjects in order to get fully prepared and you are running out of time.
For an introduction into pandemic preparedness and a list of preparedness items to buy, click here.
Here’s an important factor to consider: You want to have all supplies and a plan in place before the virus spreads out of control and before government officials force mandatory quarantines. Once the signs start to appear, it may already be too late to start stockpiling supplies because panic-buying will be the order of the day. We’ve already seen this with major internet suppliers of medical gear, who report that their inventories have been nearly cleaned out. The same will happen on a local level.
In this type of disaster, you need to prepare for the likelihood of living in an off-grid setting with the supplies in your home for at least a month. That’s the bare minimum! Here is a basic starter list compiled from portions of The Prepper’s Blueprint. If you are serious about protecting yourself from a potential pandemic there is a lot to do, but the following guidelines can fast-track your preparedness and contingency plans.
Bug In Supplies
Water – Have a short term water supply. Emergency organizations suggest 1 gallon per person for 30 days. If one goes by this suggestion, to have 1 gallon per person per day, a family of 5 will need 35 gallons of water per week. Further, it would be ideal to have some tools to treat water such as a portable filtration system, chemical treatment tablets, etc., as well as a portable filtration system for your bug out bags. To learn the different methods of purifying water, click here.
Note: As a backup plan, consider investing in manual water pumps, tarps, rain gutters for the home to collect rainwater and condensation from the ground, trees, and bushes. This could save your life!
Food – Have a 30-day supply of shelf-stable foods. You need to assume that electricity could go out, therefore look to foods that do not require refrigeration. To see how much your family would need, click here. Create a menu based around your shelf-stable foods to ensure you have enough food to feed your family. Your menu should be realistic in the sense that it will provide your body with the necessary energy needs. This chart can help in researching caloric needs based on gender and age. At the very least, plan for 1200 calories per meal. Keep healthy whole grains in mind when adding carbohydrates to your larder. Above all, ensure the foods you choose to promote health.
Health – First and foremost, mimic what the healthcare professionals are doing. If the CDC is getting ready and recommending healthcare professionals to have protective equipment or PPE, then you should too! At the very least, here are some items they are recommending to healthcare professionals: Disposable gowns, gloves, NIOSH-certified disposable N95 respirator, eye protection. Further, have a supply of medicines for respiratory illnesses, health-boosting vitamins, immune-boosting teas (try these). Get a full list of pandemic supplies here.
Sanitation – In a pandemic, everyone will fear going to their jobs and all forms of normal life will be on hold. This includes your trash pickups. Have a basic sanitation kit and prepare for the fact that toilets won’t flush, trash won’t be collected and you will be on your own. When sanitary conditions are not up to par, there is an increase in diseases such as cholera, typhoid, and diphtheria. Typically, women and children are the most affected by poor sanitary conditions. Women’s personal hygiene is essential to her health and should be considered a priority in your sanitation preparedness measures. Taking proper precautions and stocking up on sanitary items will help eliminate most issues regarding poor sanitation.
Alternative power – Disasters of any kind cause grid-down scenarios. In this case, if a pandemic ensues, people are not going to risk exposing themselves to a deadly contagion just so the public has their electricity. Prepare to live in an off-grid environment and invest in alternative means of power and invest in rechargeable batteries, solar battery chargers, generators, ample supplies of fuel and even a siphon for fuel. As well, if cold weather threatens the area where you live, have ample firewood and matches or a way to start a fire.
Communication – You can’t cut yourself off from the world, especially in a disaster. Our normal forms of communication – television, cell phones, landlines may not be available following a disaster. Therefore, you will need alternative forms of communication to communicate with neighbors, loved ones or to learn what is happening in your community. Having police scanners, radios, Ham radios to communicate to the outside world will give you a huge advantage in survival and security.
Security – Never underestimate the desperation of those who are unprepared or ill-equipped to survive. When one’s needs are not met, there is nothing they won’t do. Bugging in will require more planning and security on your part. Although living in an urban center may be the most difficult in terms of survival, those that live on the city’s outskirts and suburban areas will not be without their own set of challenges.
Considering that the majority of the U.S. population is centered in 146 of the country’s 3000 counties, chances are most of us live in urban areas, and special attention must be placed on security. We’ve read enough survival stories to know that drug addicts, released prisoners, those with mental illnesses and the unprepared will be the ones looting and pillaging. Those that live in densely populated areas will be the most vulnerable to this. To curtail this, amp up your security endeavors and preps.
For those with special needs, ensure that you have supplies and necessary medication ready for them (infants, elderly, handicapped, etc.).
No country is fully prepared for the mayhem a pandemic flu can cause“The threat of a pandemic spreading around the globe is a real one. ‘A quick-moving pathogen has the potential to kill tens of millions of people, disrupt economies and destabilize national security.’”
My son pulled the CDC telebriefing off of reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f9himd View: https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f9himd/cdc_telebriefing_for_covid19/
Am listening to it now...35 mins long and 6.7 mb small file.
Just backing up what others have posted here..will still wait on "printed copy" though. Will have more effect on "others" that we know and turn their heads and smile and roll their eyes when we bring it up.
Can you imagine under a rationed socialist medicare for all what the numbers could look like?
I posed a question a few days back and don't remember an answer - Does marijuana smoke have the same effect on ACE-2 receptors as tobacco smoking? What about e-cigarettes? (Doesn't tobacco increase the receptors or does it just gum them up? I thought it was increase as they were saying ex-smokers were also at risk.)
Did you check Walmart? They had huge boxes at our local store.When my husband looked, all he could find were 10 oz packages---I know the large Carnation boxes I used to get must have weighed 5 pounds at least! Doesn't anyone still make them that big?
Walmart also carries, at least mine does, some Anderson farm LTS products- presumably milk is part of that product line.Did you check Walmart? They had huge boxes at our local store.
Never let a crisis go to waste right? Our side could use this for the betterment of all instead of the destruction of our nation.I am comfortable right now assuming the 70% infection with a 10% mortality. Actually I feel that is pretty well padded, even. Till I see some 'man on the street' testing, I process the event as Spanish Influenza-esque event. Certainly a time in which our generation will face shared burdens and sacrifice. Also the opportunities, if we choose not to waste them, to make some needed changes. Globalism Kills! Bring our manufacturing base HOME! Borderless lands KILL! etc etc etc
Tell ya what, if we DONT we damn well deserve what we get, and we will be no different than the mewling masses waiting for govt teat to come rescue us : (Never let a crisis go to waste right? Our side could use this for the betterment of all instead of the destruction of our nation.
Are there any theories on why this is hitting Iran so much harder than Germany, where it was contained pretty quickly? Government, hygiene, smoking, health, air pollution, genetics? Italy is hit, too, but not as bad, yet, as Iran. You know it's here, too, but nothing on the radar. Look at all the Chinese students who are here in our schools and the tourists. It's here. It's very curious or we are very blessed.