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Esto Perpetua

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHxeOQA1Mc




Here's a link to a vid by a fellow named Winston, a South African who lived in China for over a decade. He presents his take on why the Coronavirus has spread so fast in China and why it seems uncontrollable (compared to many other countries). He believes that it comes down to hygiene norms in their society and presents lots of video evidence. Very much worth a look.

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Oh my God. It was bad enough reading the comments-I'm not about to watch that.

Just heartbreaking how they treat animals.

The bible specifically tells us not to be cruel to animals.
 

shane

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Blazing press a Youtube talk program has a phone call made by a Chinese speaking person calling into Wuhan and talking to a Funeral Home director in China. The person posed as a member of the communist government asking for information on the situation in Wuhan.

The director talks about the fact they pickup and cremate 4-5 times more than normal and work around the clock since Dec. 29. of the lunar calendar. Since then the numbers increased everyday. The director states they have 110 people for one shift that works as much as possible with 2-3 hours rest. They could use another 40-50 people to fully staff just this one crematorium. They have 18 furnaces but only 11 work.

They have 9 cars with a crew of 4 for each car that are constantly picking up at the hospitals. 1-2 to corpse per car ad 7-8 per van and it takes 50 min to dispose of a body. The death toll has been climbing since January 20 the Hanou funeral home is dealing with 8 of the first 23 hospitals and handles even more volume than this one. Right now 38% come from the hospital and 62% come from their homes.

They received 127 corpses and cremated 116 yesterday which is indicative of their daily loads. Just guestimating based on this interview just in Wuhan they are cremating 1200- 1500 a day. Yesterday they brought in 40 more incinerators.

run time 1:53:23

Start at 10:00 Robert begins describing what you will be listening to( in Chinese) and reading(with subtitles).
15:30- 16:55 Introduction by a news person
16:55- 40:55 The conversation with the director of one of the crematorium facilities in Wuhan.
43:00 they discuss the Redditt story about the Chinese intelligence officer which we have already debunked.

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_32E55Ul4Kk
 

marsh

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Chinese Coronavirus Patient Reinfected 10 Days After Leaving Hospital
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by Tyler Durden
Fri, 02/21/2020 - 13:05

As we first reported on Monday, shortly after the US decided to break the quarantine surrounding the Diamond Princess cruise ship which had emerged as the single-biggest locus of coronavirus cases outside of China, hundreds of weary, homesick Americans were on their way home. And as more than a dozen buses sat on the tarmac at Tokyo’s Haneda Airport with 328 Americans wearing surgical masks and gloves inside, awaiting anxiously to fly home after weeks in quarantine aboard the Diamond Princess, U.S. officials wrestled with troubling news: new test results showed that 14 passengers were infected with the virus. The problem: the U.S. State Department had promised that no one with the infection would be allowed to board the planes.

A decision had to be made. Let them all fly? Or leave them behind in Japanese hospitals? At this point, according to the Washington Post, a fierce debate broke out in Washington, where it was still Sunday afternoon: The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengers had no symptoms and could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure (something we mocked on Monday when we said "we can only hope that "plastic divider" was enough to keep the virus confined to its own class aboard the aircraft."). At this point, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread the virus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.

"It was like the worst nightmare,” said a senior U.S. official involved in the decision, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. “Quite frankly, the alternative could have been pulling grandma out in the pouring rain, and that would have been bad, too."

In the end, the State Department won the argument. But unhappy CDC officials demanded to be left out of the news release that explained that infected people were being flown back to the United States — a move that would nearly double the number of known coronavirus cases in this country.

In retrospect, the CDC will soon be proven correct in its dire warning that repatriating a full plane of both infected and healthy individuals could be a catastrophic error, because it now appears that not only can the virus remain latent for as long as 42 days, 4 weeks longer than traditionally assumed, resulting in numerous false negative cases as infected carrier slip across borders undetected, but far more ominously, it now appears that the diseases can re-infect recently "cured" patients, because as Taiwan News reports, a Chinese patient who just recovered from the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) has been infected for the second time in the province of Sichuan, according to local health officials.

On Wednesday (Feb. 19), the People's Daily reported that a man in Sichuan's capital Chengdu had tested positive for the virus during a regular check-up just ten days after being discharged from the hospital. The report said he had previously been cleared of the virus by medical staff.

The Sichuan Health Commission confirmed the news on Friday (Feb. 21) and issued a community warning announcement in the patient's neighborhood. The announcement said that the man and his family had been transported to a nearby health facility on Thursday morning (Feb. 20) and that health officials had sanitized the entire community, reported Liberty Times.

According to ETtoday, the patient and his family had been under home quarantine and had not left the house since Feb. 10. The authorities are still investigating the cause of the reinfection.

The news has stirred up heated reactions from Chinese netizens. Some suspect that the hospital discharged the man before he was fully recovered, and many have expressed concern about the worsening epidemic.

Several doctors from Wuhan, the epicenter of COVID-19, said last week that it is possible for recovered patients to contract the virus a second time. They warned that a recurring infection could be even more damaging to a patient's body and that the tests are susceptible to false negatives.

Needless to say, with the US now repatriating over a dozen coronavirus-infected individuals, it will be absolutely critical to keep a close eye on any deemed healthy or cured, because it now appears that not only can the virus stay latent for nearly a month longer than previously expected, but cured patients can also get reinfected.

And all of this is probably why, in a far more gloomier sounding press conference, today the CDC warned that:
  • CDC SAYS CORONAVIRUS IS A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT, FUTURE HUMAN TO HUMAN TRANSMISSION IN THE U.S IS VERY POSSIBLE AND EVEN LIKELY
In short, it's only a matter of time before the pandemic, which is already "contained" in nearly 30 cases in the US as of this moment, becomes uncontained, and the exponential chart of cases away from China, includes the US in it.
h/t @jodigraphics15
 

vestige

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHxeOQA1Mc


Here's a link to a vid by a fellow named Winston, a South African who lived in China for over a decade. He presents his take on why the Coronavirus has spread so fast in China and why it seems uncontrollable (compared to many other countries). He believes that it comes down to hygiene norms in their society and presents lots of video evidence. Very much worth a look.

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marsh

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White House Warns Beijing: 'We Still Expect You To Honor Your Trade Deal Commitments'

by Tyler Durden
Fri, 02/21/2020 - 10:36

A Chinese official recently suggested that Beijing might need some 'wiggle room' to fulfill its commitments under the 'Phase 1' trade deal. Now, the Treasury Department is hinting that this might not be an option, and that the US expects the Chinese to honor their commitments.

Citing comments from an anonymous 'senior Treasury official' (possibly Mnuchin himself), Reuters reports that the US government expects China to honor its commitments, to which it agreed late last year, around the same time that the virus first emerged in Wuhan.


The report arrives just days after the IMF confirmed that the epidemic had already disrupted economic growth in China, and that it could derail already-fragile global growth if it continues to worsen and spread. However, the official narrative in Beijing is that the government is winning the war, and that the brief pullback in Q1 growth will be offset by a recovery later in the year.

If you're wondering why the administration would allow such a potentially damaging story to surface on a day when stocks are already in the red, well...we wouldn't blame you...but more on that later.

Yesterday, the market got the first hint at the outbreak's impact on China's high-tech manufacturing sector (think Foxxconn, iPhones) with an unprecedented drop in China's emerging industries PMI.

But so far the fallout has been beyond brutal.


To be sure, the US didn't rule out all flexibility. While the official said the US still expects China to meet its commitments with the $200 billion figure in total imports, he pointed out that these increases are supposed to be doled out over a "period of time."

As the Washington Post reminds us, China's agricultural commitments alone in the Phase 1 deal were pretty specific: Beijing agreed to buy an additional $32 billion over the first two years, $12.5 billion over the $24 billion baseline in 2020, and $19.5 billion over that same baseline in 2021. The 'baseline' is $24 billion, the level of Chinese ag purchases in 2017, before Trump decided to instigate his big trade war. The commitments were part of a deal that's supposed to guarantee an additional $200 billion in ag purchases over the baseline in the years ahead, with Beijing ordering state-controlled firms to carry them out in good ol' fashioned centrally planned purchases that brings to mind the control economies of the Communist era.
And those ag purchases are only part of the broader $200 billion commitment over two years: Technically, China is expected to purchase an additional $77 billion US goods in 2020 and $123 billion by 2021, compared with a baseline of U.S. imports from 2017

However, almost as soon as the deal was signed, economists and analysts complained loudly that the deal was little more than a PR stunt, and that there was no way Beijing would be able to guarantee such hefty purchases (others argued that Beijing could make it happen). On Thursday, the chief economist at the US Department of Agriculture seemed to suggest that these critics might have been on to something when he released a projection claiming that China would only import roughly $14 billion in ag products during the business year that ends Sept. 30. That's only a $4 billion increase from a year ago. Purchases were supposed to be between $40 and $50 billion this year and next year.

Perdue made the comments during the USDA's Agricultural Outlook Forum this week, and during a news conference later on, he added that enforcing the deal "remained a concern" and that the coronavirus outbreak made projections difficult. So far, China has lifted some restrictions, including a live poultry ban (mostly for breeding), affecting the US. But that ban wasn't related to the trade war; ironically, it was a precaution put in place during an avian flu outbreak.

While some of the discrepancy is related to a mismatch with the calendar year, the chief economist said there are other reasons why the numbers aren't matching up. Perdue also said that the department wouldn't just assume that China will meet its commitments and stick those numbers into the projections.
Still, Beijing has offered some hints that it's following through: This week, the Global Times, a government mouthpiece, reported that China was likely to buy 10 million tons of US liquefied natural gas despite a major glut.

It's possible we'll learn more following the G-20 meeting in Riyadh on Saturday and Sunday, where Mnuchin will discuss the economic fallout of the global pandemic with other senior finance ministers of the world's largest economies. Though representatives from China will be notably absent. Instead, the Treasury official told Reuters that 'lower level' officials would represent the finance minister and head of the PBOC. The meeting was supposed to focus on the OECD's efforts to draft new international tax rules that have become a point of contention between the US and Europe, since they would impact American tech giants like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc.
One would think, with the election coming up in November and Beijing desperate to guarantee higher economic growth, that it's now more important than ever that the deal holds. But while that may be true, by keeping the threat of collapse and disaster close at hand, Trump and his administration can convince markets that the Fed is ready to step in with another rate cut if things get out of control, virtually guaranteeing (at least, in their estimation) that markets will remain buoyant until November.

However, if markets catch the slightest whiff of reflation between now and then (unlikely given the strength of the dollar and drop in oil prices), they might panic, believing that the Fed has been robbed of its great excuse to keep rates low, and suspecting (possibly correctly) that Chairman Powell won't stick his neck out for Trump's sake.
 

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I shouldn't be near a computer today, I'm just not myself :eye:, but I bought it. I was putting it in my shopping cart to save it so I could decide later, and they had the recommendations up and one of them was to her other book - it's selling now for $112 - $226 and I'm thinking if the first run of this book sells out it will probably sell for over $100 too (like the one Reasonable Rascal recommended that I got for $1.99 and then it went up to $1000). The first book is a general book on pandemics, so I'm guessing this includes a lot of that book (since she got it out so fast) along with specific COVID info too. I'll give a review after it arrives, I'm on prime so it should be here this weekend. Thanks for the head's up (I think!). :)

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If I didn't know better, I'd say the reporting was delibertly designed to confuse more than clarify :whistle:

I thought it was me. I read that article with the numbers and my head started swimming...

ETA:
this is the article I meant, I agree, deliberately designed to confuse... you need a chart to follow it.

The U.S. has 26 patients, including 11 confirmed so far at a Nebraska hospital, eight in California, one in Texas, one in Wisconsin, one in Arizona, one in Washington state, one in Massachusetts and two in Illinois. Those numbers don't include the 11 recently shown to have the new virus.


At least 11 American evacuees transported to the U.S. from the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship have tested positive for the coronavirus, as another doctor in China was pronounced dead from the virus Friday.

The American evacuees were transported to U.S. hospitals after delayed Japenese test results showed they tested positive. Five other people were confirmed to have shown symptoms of the virus.

None of the 16 evacuees has had confirmed tests by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, so federal authorities have yet to report them. They have been staying at Travis Air Force Base in California.

Four were taken to a hospital in Washington state, while Scott Pauley, a CDC spokesman, wouldn't elaborate on where the others were taken.

The newly infected reportedly don't include the 14 people who officials had previously said tested positive before boarding two State Department chartered flights carrying 300 Americans from the Diamond Princess last Monday. Thirteen of them were brought to a hospital in Omaha, Neb., and the CDC says 11 are officially declared to have the virus.

Another doctor in Wuhan was also confirmed to have been killed by the virus Friday, adding to the list of leading medical professionals now deceased in the virus's epicenter.

Peng Yinhua, a 29-year-old respiratory doctor died Thursday. Others killed by the virus include Wuchang Hospital director Liu Zhiming and Li Wenliang, who warned authorities about the virus before it was public.

China has suffered the most from the virus, which is now known as COVID-19, with the country having 99 percent of the cases. The U.S. has 26 patients, including 11 confirmed so far at a Nebraska hospital, eight in California, one in Texas, one in Wisconsin, one in Arizona, one in Washington state, one in Massachusetts and two in Illinois. Those numbers don't include the 11 recently shown to have the new virus.

CDC officials added there will “likely be additional cases in the coming days and weeks, including among other people recently returned from Wuhan.”

The U.S. had announced that Americans who traveled to China within the last 14 days would be sent to designated airports for enhanced screenings. Foreign nationals who recently went to China would be denied entry in the U.S., except for the immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents.

China's Foreign Ministry had said the U.S. hasn't given the country any substantive help in its fight against the coronavirus outbreak. They added the U.S. was contributing to the international panic surrounding the illness, Reuters reported.


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jward

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I shouldn't be near a computer today, I'm just not myself :eye:, but I bought it. I was putting it in my shopping cart to save it so I could decide later, and they had the recommendations up and one of them was to her other book - it's selling now for $112 - $226 and I'm thinking if the first run of this book sells out it will probably sell for over $100 too (like the one Reasonable Rascal recommended that I got for $1.99 and then it went up to $1000). The first book is a general book on pandemics, so I'm guessing this includes a lot of that book (since she got it out so fast) along with specific COVID info too. I'll give a review after it arrives, I'm on prime so it should be here this weekend. Thanks for the head's up (I think!). :)

HD
it's only money ; ) Lookin fwd to your review, ty in advance.
 

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Health officials worry as untraceable virus clusters emerge http://dlvr.it/RQWrmy #coronavirus #covid19
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Fears over containing novel coronavirus grow as cases outside China spike - CNN http://dlvr.it/RQWrp2 #coronavirus #covid19

Here are the articles:


Health officials worry as untraceable virus clusters emerge
By ANIRUDDHA GHOSAL and LAURAN NEERGAARD
2 hours ago


In South Korea, Singapore and Iran, clusters of infections are leading to a jump in cases of the new viral illness outside China. But it’s not the numbers that are worrying experts: It’s that increasingly they can’t trace where the clusters started.
World Health Organization officials said China’s crackdown on parts of the country bought time for the rest of the world to prepare for the new virus. But as hot spots emerge around the globe, trouble finding each source — the first patient who sparks every new cluster — might signal the disease has begun spreading too widely for tried-and-true public health steps to stamp it out.

“A number of spot fires, occurring around the world is a sign that things are ticking along, and what we are going to have here is probably a pandemic,” said Ian Mackay, who studies viruses at Australia’s University of Queensland.

That worst-case isn’t here yet, the WHO insists. It isn’t convinced that countries outside China need more draconian measures, but it pointed to spikes in cases in Iran and South Korea to warn that time may be running out to contain the virus.

“What we see is a very different phase of this outbreak depending where you look,” said WHO’s Dr. Sylvie Briand. “We see different patterns of transmission in different places.”

The World Health Organization defines a “global pandemic” as a disease spreading on two continents, though some public health experts would call an outbreak a pandemic if the spread is over a wide area or across many international borders.

The newest red flag: Iran reported 18 cases, including four deaths, in just two days. The cluster began in the city of Qom, a popular religious destination, but it’s not clear how. Worse, infected travelers from Iran already have been discovered in Lebanon and Canada.

In South Korea, most of the more than 280 new cases detected since Wednesday are linked to a church in the city of Daegu and a nearby hospital. But health authorities have not yet found the “index case,” the person among the church’s 9,000 followers who set off the chain of infections.

There also have been several cases in the capital, Seoul, where the infection routes have not yet been traced. In Europe, Italy saw cases of the new virus more than quadruple in a day as it grapples with infections in a northern region that apparently have spread through a hospital and a cafe.

A cluster of cases isn’t inherently worrying — in fact, it’s expected as an infection that’s easy to spread is carried around the world by travelers. The first line of defense: Isolate the sick to treat them and prevent further spread, and quarantine people who came in contact with them until the incubation period is over.

But as the virus becomes more widespread, trying to trace every contact would be futile, Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong acknowledged earlier this month.

“If we still hospitalize and isolate every suspect case, our hospitals will be overwhelmed,” he said. So far, the city-state has identified five clusters of transmission, including two churches. But there remain eight locally transmitted cases with no links to earlier cases, or to China.

Viruses vary in how they infect. The new coronavirus — unlike its cousins SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and MERS, or Middle East respiratory syndrome — spreads as easily as a common cold.

And it’s almost certainly being spread by people who show such mild symptoms that no one can tell, said Dr. Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

“If that’s the case, all of these containment methods are not going to work,” Adalja said. “It’s likely mixed in the cold and flu season all over the place, in multiple countries” and gone unnoticed until someone gets severely ill.

These milder symptoms are good news “in terms of not as many people dying,” said Mackay, of Australia. “But it’s really bad news if you are trying to stop a pandemic,” he added.

When Hong Kong reported it first death from the virus earlier this month, it also confirmed three locally transmitted cases with no known link to any previous cases or any travel history to China. Chuang Shuk-kwan of the Center for Health Protection warned then that “there could be invisible chains of infection happening within communities.”

Officials in both South Korea and Japan have signaled in the past week that the spread is entering a new phase in their countries.

On Friday, South Korean Prime Minister Chung Se-kyun said the government would have to shift its focus from quarantine and border control to slowing the spread of the virus. Schools and churches were closed and some mass gatherings banned.

Takaji Wakita, head of Japan’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases, earlier urged people to work at home or in shifts to avoid being in a crowd, and refrain from holding non-essential and non-urgent meetings.

But Adalja cautioned that far-reaching measures like China instituted in the outbreak’s epicenter of Wuhan — where citizens have been ordered to stay in their homes for weeks — can backfire. While it remains to be seen if the new virus is waning, that kind of lockdown makes it hard for people to get other critically important care, like fast treatment for a heart attack.

There’s no way to predict if the recent clusters will burn out or trigger widespread transmission.

For now, health officials should try and contain the infection for as long as possible while preparing for a change in strategy by preparing hospitals, readying protective equipment and bolstering laboratory capacity, said Gagandeep Kang, a microbiologist who leads India’s Translational Health Science and Technology Institute.

“Although the window of opportunity is narrowing to contain the outbreak, we still have a chance to contain it,” said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. “But while doing that, we have to prepare at the same time for any eventualities, because this outbreak could go any direction – it could even be messy.”
 

Esto Perpetua

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According to Scotty the coronavirus is shutting down car production world wide. The info on the coronavirus is in the first minute or two.

Fair use,
Worldwide Car Production is Shutting Down (Buy a New Car While You Still Can)
•Feb 21, 2020


Scotty Kilmer

Worldwide Car Production is Shutting Down (Buy a New Car While You Still Can), DIY and car repair with Scotty Kilmer. New car buying. Car manufacturers are having problems making new cars.. Car companies shutting down. Buying a new car. Car Advice. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 52 years.

Link to source:
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Rev up your disinfectant!
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Second article from jward's post:

(fair use applies)

Fears over containing novel coronavirus grow as cases outside China spike
By Helen Regan, CNN
Updated 1:09 AM ET, Sat February 22, 2020

Hong Kong (CNN) Concerns are growing over the global spread of the novel coronavirus after a spike in cases outside of mainland China among people with no connection to China or the city of Wuhan, ground zero for the outbreak.

World Health Organization (WHO) director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Friday that there was still a chance to contain the Covid-19 virus, "but the window of opportunity is narrowing."

The WHO has called on countries to continue containment measures while preparing for community transmission, he said, adding that the outbreak could still go in any direction.

"We must not look back and regret that we failed to take advantage of the window of opportunity we have," he said.

His words come as countries outside of China report a sharp increase of coronavirus cases -- particularly in South Korea and Iran. Italy has also reported its first death, raising fears of self-sustaining epidemics.

Authorities in China's Hubei province confirmed an additional 366 cases of the virus on Friday, 45 fewer than the previous day, taking the total number of cases at the epicenter of the outbreak to over 63,400. The total number of cases in mainland China is now more than 76,200.

The global death toll from the outbreak has reached 2,360, after 109 deaths were reported in mainland China Friday, including 106 in Hubei, nine fewer than the previous day.

Outside of mainland China, 15 people have died from the coronavirus. Two new deaths were reported in Iran and one death in South Korea on Friday.

More than 9,000 self-isolating in South Korea

Outside China, the largest coronavirus outbreaks have been in South Korea and Japan, where hundreds of people were infected on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which began disembarking passengers this week from Yokohama Bay.

On Saturday, South Korea reported a jump of more than 140 additional cases, bringing the country's total to over 340, according to the South Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).
The number of cases in South Korea has soared from 28 a week ago. Two patients who have been diagnosed with coronavirus have died in the country, where the outbreak is centered around the southern city of Daegu.

About half of the country's cases are linked to the Shincheongji religious group in Daegu. On Saturday, South Korean health officials said that 9,300 members of the group will be tested and required to self-isolate as they try to get on top of the outbreak there.

"We have secured a list of about 9,300 members of the relevant religious group, and we are preemptively enforcing self-isolation and facility isolation," said Kim Gang-lip, South Korea's vice minister of health, at a press briefing.

More than 4,400 people from the list are already self-isolating and the ministry is conducting the first tests on 544 people who said they have respiratory symptoms, Kim said.

In a statement released online on Friday, the Shincheongji religious group said it "deeply regrets" the coronavirus outbreak that occurred in their Daegu branch and said it was cooperating with local authorities.

"Currently all of our church branches in the nation, including the main headquarters have stopped services, gatherings, and mission activity in churches and related spaces," the statement said.

On Friday, the South Korean government designated Daegu and neighboring city Cheongdo as "special management areas" for infectious disease and have taken additional measures to control the outbreak, including shutting down public places in the capital, Seoul.

Among the new cases, 92 have been linked to the Cheongdo Daenam hospital, in North Gyeongsang province, and four other cases connected to Daegu city involved members of the military.

Cases rise in Middle East

Attention has also turned to Iran, which only recently began reporting its first cases, and on Friday confirmed two additional deaths and 13 new infections.

Iranian health officials said the source of the virus in the country could be a Chinese worker who works in the city of Qom, about 140 kilometers (87 miles) south of the capital Tehran, and had recently traveled to China.

In total, four people have died in the country and 18 infections have been confirmed. Officials warned the coronavirus may have spread to every city in the country.

"The spread of the coronavirus started in Qom and has reached other cities in the country like Tehran, Babol, Arak, Isfahan, Rasht and other cities due to people traveling. There is a possibility that it exists in all cities across the country," said Minnou Mohraz, a member of the National Committee for Infectious Diseases at the Ministry of Health.

On Friday, Canada's chief public health officer, Theresa Tam, suggested further investigation was needed after a Canadian tested positive for the virus after returning from Iran. There was no indication that the patient had been to Qom.

"Any important cases linked to Iran could be an indicator that there is more widespread transmission than we know about," Tam said.

Iran's sudden jump in cases, Tam said, was a reminder that the novel coronavirus is a global issue and that there is the possibility that the virus could be present in countries that may not have the capacity to detect or contain it.

On Friday, Lebanon and Israel both reported their first cases of coronavirus.

Leaving the Diamond Princess

Meanwhile, hundreds of people are finally disembarking the Diamond Princess cruise ship that has been quarantined in Japan's Yokohama for the past two weeks.

On Friday, 253 people who tested negative for coronavirus left the ship, according to a news release from the Japanese health ministry. The disembarkation of passengers from the ship will continue at least through Saturday, a spokesperson for Princess Cruises told CNN.

Japan, however, reported 12 new cases of coronavirus on Saturday, including three teenagers, bringing the number of cases in the country with no connection to the ship to 99, with 639 confirmed from the cruise ship.

Cases have also increased in Singapore and Taiwan.

In the United States, officials have confirmed 35 cases of novel coronavirus, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That includes 21 cases among repatriated individuals, as well as 14 other US cases.

The 21 repatriated include 18 former passengers of the Diamond Princess, plus three who had been previously evacuated from China.

The CDC said it will now track confirmed cases in two separate groups: people who have been repatriated, and those identified by the US public health network.
 

jward

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Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The tables below show confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV, officially known as SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are currently 77,815 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,360 fatalities.


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MAINLAND CHINACasesDeathsNotesLinks
Hubei province
(includes Wuhan)
63,4542,25010,892 seriousSource
Guangdong province1,333535 serious, 27 criticalSource
Henan province1,2671924 serious, 21 criticalSource
Zhejiang province1,203131 serious, 18 criticalSource
Hunan province1,011443 seriousSource
Anhui province98863 criticalSource
Jiangxi province934126 seriousSource
Jiangsu province63106 serious, 4 criticalSource
Chongqing567629 serious, 12 criticalSource
Shandong province74948 serious, 12 criticalSource
Sichuan province525318 criticalSource
Heilongjiang province4791270 seriousSource
Beijing396419 criticalSource
Shanghai334211 serious, 3 criticalSource
Tianjin1323Source
Other regions2,25622Source
Undisclosed293Source
TOTAL76,2882,34511,477 serious
20,659 recovered
5,365 suspected


OTHER PLACESCasesDeathsNotesLinks
Diamond Princess634227 serious, 1 recoveredSource
South Korea34629 serious, 17 recoveredSource
Japan110*15 serious, 22 recoveredSource
Singapore8605 critical, 47 recoveredSource
Hong Kong6924 critical, 2 serious, 5 recoveredSource
Thailand3502 serious, 15 recoveredSource
Taiwan2612 recoveredSource
Malaysia22017 recoveredSource
Australia21011 recoveredSource
Germany16014 recoveredSource
Vietnam16014 recoveredSource
United States3505 recoveredSource
France1214 recoveredSource
Macau1005 recoveredSource
United Kingdom908 recoveredSource
UAE1101 serious, 3 recoveredSource
Canada903 recoveredSource
Iran184Source
Italy2116 seriousSource
Philippines312 recoveredSource
India303 recoveredSource
Russia202 recoveredSource
Spain202 recoveredSource
Nepal101 recoveredSource
Cambodia101 recoveredSource
Sri Lanka101 recoveredSource
Finland101 recoveredSource
Sweden10Source
Belgium101 recoveredSource
Egypt101 recoveredSource
Israel10Source
Lebanon10Source
TOTAL1,5251552 serious/critical
Notes

  • Japan: The total includes 4 asymptomatic cases, which are not included in the government’s official count. It also includes 14 people who were evacuated from China.
  • Japan: The 634 people from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship are listed separately and they’re not included in the Japanese government’s official count. 328 were asymptomatic. Fourteen of them are U.S. citizens whose test results weren’t known until they were taken off the ship.
  • Diamond Princess: The total does not include 3 employees of Japan’s Health Ministry and 1 staff member of Japan’s Cabinet Secretariat, all of whom were infected while working on the ship. It does also not include people who tested positive upon their return home: 6 people in Australia and 1 person in Israel.
  • North Korea: Unconfirmed reports about 1, 5, or 7 cases in North Korea have been denied by the government. If cases are confirmed by North Korean officials, they will be added to this list.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Re: The Brit couple.
Japan may have made the decision to reserve its ICU beds for Japanese citizens, as they have enough home grown cases now for an epidemic. It could be why the State Dept decided to bring infected US citizens home against CDC recommendations. The Japanese could be pushing GB to speed up any thought of evacuation.

On the other hand, I thought I read that the Brit couple did not have a positive COVID-19 test after all. If that is true and as they are off the ship and don't need to be quarantined, I would imagine they are on their own to arrange for any medical care they need for regular flu and diabetes.

Personally, I think it should be assumed that everyone on that ship is infected

Are you talking about David Abel and Sally? They have had some bad luck the last day.

They did test positive. They were taken to a nice new hospital. Then they both got pneumonia and were transferred to another hospital which is less equipped and perhaps where they are not receiving appropriate treatment according to their son. He made a video pleading for help for them yesterday. Apparently they are not doing so good now

Sounds like Japan may be prioritizing their own people now as they have quite a few of their own to worry about now.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
To my fellow Floridians - getting a little too close to home...

And why do these people give their names? The State is all about protecting their privacy and they just call in to the news using their names and location.

Anyway, she wasn't on the Princess, she was on the ship that docked in Cambodia. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF SELF QUARANTINE. Just checking temperature and calling of they have a cough?!? Do they not read the news? She can be an asymptomatic carrier...

(fair use applies)

SWFL woman stuck on cruise due to coronavirus returns home
Reporter: Morgan Rynor | Writer: Jack Lowenstein
Published: February 20, 2020 11:50 PM EST | Updated: February 20, 2020 11:52 PM EST

A Southwest Florida woman who was stuck in the middle of a coronavirus quarantine is finally back home in Southwest Florida.

Holley Rauen arrived at Southwest Florida International Airport Wednesday after she became stuck on a cruise ship for almost two weeks when a fellow passenger was diagnosed with coronavirus.

Rauen several ports, including the United States, denied her ship access because of the virus. She said it felt like they were refugees. She says eventually Cambodia allowed her and her fellow passengers in its country and she was able to begin her trip home.

“True joy. Everyone cheered and had gratitude that we could find a safe harbor in Cambodia,” Rauen said.

When we asked about her experience coming home, she called it bittersweet.

“For us it was a very good experience even though it was stressful that we or someone would test positive for the coronavirus,” Rauen said.

She says the Lee County health department called her and her partner and asked them to monitor themselves for 14 days.

Rauen said they will check their temperature twice a day and monitor any coughs.
 

jward

passin' thru
part two

Timeline (GMT)
22 February
  • 03:05: 2 new cases in Australia. They are former passengers of the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship. (Source)
  • 03:00: 1 new case in Chiba Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 01:01: 142 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
  • 00:46: 1 new case in Italy. (Source)
  • 00:45: China’s National Health Commission reports 31 new cases and 3 new deaths across the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. Compared to yesterday’s national update, there were 31 new cases and 3 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)
  • 00:45: 366 new cases and 106 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
21 February
  • 23:52: 1 new case in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 23:51: 2 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
  • 22:35: First death in Italy. (Source)
  • 21:05: 1 new case in Italy. (Source)
  • 20:30: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
  • 19:50: 1 new case in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan. The other case mentioned in the article was previously reported. (Source)
  • 19:20: 1 new case in California, United States. (Source)
  • 19:10: 18 new cases in the United States. They’re passengers from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship who were repatriated by the U.S. government. (Source)
  • 17:21: 2 new cases in Italy. (Source)
  • 17:15: 8 new cases in Italy. (Source)
  • 15:48: 426 new cases in Hubei province, China. (Source)
  • 14:22: 2 new cases in the United Arab Emirates. (Source)
  • 13:33: 2 new cases in Australia. They are former passengers of the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship. (Source)
  • 13:30: 1 new case in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 13:00: 1 new case in Singapore. (Source)
  • 12:44: 2 new cases in Aichi Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 12:21: First case in Lebanon. (Source)
  • 11:55: 3 new cases in Italy. (Source)
  • 11:45: 3 new cases in Tokyo, Japan. (Source)
  • 11:40: 1 new case in Chiba Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 11:37: 1 new case in Ishikawa Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 11:35: 1 new case in Saitama Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 11:15: 1 new death in South Korea. (Source)
  • 11:06: First case in Israel. The patient contracted the virus on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship and was found to have coronavirus upon his return to Israel. (Source)
  • 10:25: 13 new cases and 2 new deaths in Iran. (Source)
  • 10:05: 2 new cases in Italy. (Source)
  • 09:01: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
  • 09:00: 1 new case in Shandong province, China. (Source)
  • 08:01: 48 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
  • 07:00: 2 new cases in Taiwan. (Source)
  • 03:18: 3 new cases in Hokkaido Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 02:26: 1 new case in Beijing. (Source)
  • 02:25: 202 new cases in Shandong province, China. All but 2 of them are at a prison, where a total of 207 cases have been confirmed, including 200 prisoners and 7 officers. (Source)
  • 02:07: 3 new cases and 1 new death in Yunnan province, China. (Source)
  • 02:06: 1 new case in Shanxi province, China. (Source)
  • 02:05: 1 new case in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
  • 02:04: 1 new case in Hebei province, China. (Source)
  • 02:03: 3 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
  • 02:02: 5 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
  • 02:01: 7 new cases and 1 new death in Chongqing, China. The death was previously reported by China’s National Health Commission. (Source)
  • 02:00: 1 new case in Anhui province, China. (Source)
  • 01:59: 1 new case in Hunan province, China. (Source)
  • 01:58: 28 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
  • 01:57: 2 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
  • 01:56: 1 new case in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
  • 01:50: China’s National Health Commission reports 477 new cases and 2 new deaths across the mainland. Their locations have not yet been disclosed, except for 220 new cases in Hubei province. (Source)
  • 01:40: 1 presumptive confirmed case in British Columbia, Canada. (Source)
  • 01:02: 45 new cases in South Korea. The other cases mentioned in the press release were previously reported. (Source)
  • 00:35: 1 new case in California, United States. (Source)
20 February
  • 23:52: 2 new cases in Australia. They are former passengers of the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship. (Source)
  • 23:51: 4 new cases in Hong Kong. (Source)
  • 23:50: 1 presumptive confirmed case in Italy. (Source)
  • 23:49: 4 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
  • 22:59: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
  • 21:10: 411 new cases and 115 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
  • 20:33: 2 new cases in South Korea. (Source 1, Source 2)
  • 14:21: 1 new case in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 13:43: 1 new case in Fukuoka Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 13:05: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
  • 12:00: 1 new case in Singapore. (Source)
  • 11:55: 1 new death in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
  • 11:25: 13 new cases in Japan. They were found on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama, raising the ship’s total to 634. (Source)
  • 11:00: 1 new case in Aichi Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 09:38: 1 new case in Chiba Prefecture, Japan (Source)
  • 09:37: 1 new case in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 09:36: 1 new case in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 09:35: 1 new case in Hokkaido Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 09:30: 3 new cases in Iran. (Source)
  • 08:21: 1 new death in South Korea. (Source)
  • 08:15: 17 new cases in South Korea. The other cases mentioned in the press release were previously reported. (Source)
  • 06:29: 5 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
  • 06:15: 2 new cases in Japan. (Source)
  • 05:00: 1 new case in Shanghai. (Source)
  • 02:50: 1 new case in Jilin province, China. (Source)
  • 02:40: 2 new deaths in Japan. They were both passengers of the Diamond Princess cruise ship. (Source)
  • 02:31: 1 new case in Fukuoka Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
  • 02:10: 1 new death in Shanghai. This death was previously reported by China’s National Health Commission. (Source)
  • 02:05: China’s National Health Commission reports 2 new cases and 1 new death on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. Compared to yesterday, there were 60 new cases and 6 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)
  • 01:57: 5 new cases in Hainan province, China. (Source)
  • 01:53: 3 new cases and 1 new death in Shaanxi province, China. (Source)
  • 01:49: 1 new case in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
  • 01:47: 1 new death in Fujian province, China. (Source)
  • 01:44: 1 new case and 1 new death in Hebei province, China. (Source)
  • 01:35: 2 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
  • 01:33: 6 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
  • 01:30: 6 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
  • 01:24: 2 new cases and 1 new death in Shandong province, China. (Source)
  • 01:18: 5 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
  • 01:12: 1 new case in Jiangxi province, China. One earlier case was deducted. (Source)
  • 01:10: 1 new case in Anhui province, China. (Source)
  • 01:03: 2 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
  • 01:02: 2 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
  • 01:01: 4 new cases in Henan province, China. One earlier case was deducted. (Source)
  • 01:00: 1 new case in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
  • 00:59: 24 new cases in South Korea. The other cases mentioned in the articles were previously reported. (Source 1, Source 2)
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catskinner

Veteran Member
I just got off the phone with a close friend who told me that the corona virus is in Memphis. Take it for what it's worth, but this is what she told me.

She said that she was scrolling through her fakebook page and saw a post from an acquaintance. My friend sells jewelry to raise money for her church and the post she saw was from a lady who has purchased from her several times. She said that the lady had posted that her husband had died of the corona virus in a hospital in Memphis. She said that he had been sick with the flu and he had gone to the hospital because they thought it was going into pneumonia. She said that they ran a lot of tests on him and moved him to "the far side" of the hospital. About 4 hours later he was unresponsive and a few hours later he died. They told her that he had the corona virus.

My friend did not get to finish reading the post. She had to take a call and when she went back to it, the post was gone and she could not find the ladies page on fakebook anymore. She was no longer listed as one of her friends. She said the account was just gone.

According to the post, my friend said that the man died 3 days ago. He was in his 30's and was not Chinese. That's all I know at this time. My friend did say that she would try to contact another customer that might know this lady, to see if she knows anything more.

So much for 2 weeks.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Maybe I should send this to the Lee County health department. (see article above)

(fair use applies)

Chinese researchers just confirmed that patients can transmit the coronavirus without showing symptoms.
A woman passed it to 5 relatives.

Business Insider•February 21, 2020

A 20-year-old woman from Wuhan, China, transmitted the coronavirus to her family members without ever showing any symptoms, a new study found.

The woman tested positive for the virus, but her CT scans were clear and she never became physically ill.

Five of her family members, however, came down with a fever. Two developed severe pneumonia.

The case is evidence that the coronavirus can be transmitted when someone is asymptomatic.

Chinese researchers have confirmed a case of asymptomatic transmission of the new coronavirus: A 20-year-old woman from Wuhan passed it to five of her family members but never got physically sick herself.

The case study is the first concrete evidence that a person showing no symptoms can pass the coronavirus to others — a fact that could make curbing the outbreak even more challenging.

The researchers behind the finding said the 20-year-old woman was isolated and closely observed at the Fifth People's Hospital of Anyang. She never become physically ill, even after her family members developed fevers. Two of them got severe pneumonia.

For now, the woman's asymptomatic transmission appears to be an anomaly, but health experts have documented other instances in which people tested positive for the virus without showing symptoms.

A report from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed records of all of China's reported cases of the virus from December 8 to February 11 and found that 1.2% of patients confirmed to be infected showed no symptoms. A far higher portion of asymptomatic cases was found on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where 322 of 621 people tested positive but showed no symptoms.

"It's very clear that the people who are getting caught in that umbrella of reporting are the people that present themselves to a hospital," Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a briefing on February 6. "There's another whole cohort that is either asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic."

The 20-year-old woman in the new case study lives in Wuhan — the city where the outbreak started — but traveled to Anyang on January 10. Three days later, she went with five family members to visit a sick patient (who did not have the coronavirus) at the Anyang District Hospital.

On January 17, one of the woman's family members came down with a fever and sore throat. The following week, the other four relatives developed a fever and respiratory symptoms. Those relatives were admitted to the Fifth People's Hospital on January 26.

All of the family members tested positive for the coronavirus. The only person they'd had contact with who had been in Wuhan was their 20-year-old relative.

When doctors initially tested the young woman for the coronavirus, the results came back negative. Her CT scan was normal, too. But a day later, she tested positive for the virus even though she wasn't showing any symptoms. By February 11, the woman still had no fever, cough, sore throat, or gastrointestinal issues.

Doctors concluded that the woman's incubation period — the time during which she was infectious — was 19 days. Chinese health officials previously estimated that the incubation period for the virus ranged from one to 14 days, but recent research suggests it could be as long as 24 days.

The US and many other countries have established quarantine rules for travelers from Wuhan based on that 14-day window.

Asymptomatic transmission in Germany?

Most of the coronavirus cases so far have been mild, but the virus has killed more than 2,200 people and infected more than 76,000. Though the majority of cases are on the Chinese mainland, the virus has spread to 29 other countries.

A case of asymptomatic transmission similar to the one described in the new case study was previously identified in Germany. But that research turned out to be flawed.

According to a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine, a woman from Shanghai transmitted the virus to a 33-year-old German businessman in January. Three days later, he felt better and went back to work, then infected at least two of his colleagues. But the researchers had not spoken with the woman, who had in fact experienced mild symptoms at the time of transmission.

That left scientists unsure as to whether people who never experience any symptoms can transmit the disease — until today.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Anybody read this?


Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
After posting above, got wild hair and grabbed the kindle version and just now skimmed through it quickly.

It'll take a closer look to say for sure, but at first glance, I was impressed with the pandemic prepping advice.

I did not expect to learn a lot of new stuff I did not already know, but was happy to see the info & instructions
are pretty much what a person new to prepping for pandemics needs to know to get started in the right direction.

That's the kind of tool I can later put to really good use here personally, cause it'll be...

For all my friends & relatives that have ignored all my posts, texts & emails I'd linked to the pandemic risks news
and what they needed to of been doing over all these weeks to prep, just in case, but didn't do anything at all.
To all of them, when they finally awaken in a panic and want me then to go over all that they should still try to do
at that future late date, right then when I'm in the middle of my own last minute preps and have not time for them
then, especially when they would not listen to me earlier. For all of them then, it'll be something like this book, that
I'll instead point them all quickly to it, so I can get them off my phone or off my front porch, so I can get back to my
own essential last preps, as I give them my final parting comment to each, simply wishing them all... Good Luck!

Even if book isn't perfect, it'll be far better & much more comprehensive than anything I've got time then to get them
each up to speed on, personally & individually, one-at-a-time, then. That's just the way it'll have to be then; priorities.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 
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Shooter

Veteran Member
all I keep reading is how many new cases, how about a little hope. how many people are getting better? how many have been sick and got better . we gotta have a little good news out of all this,
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I just got off the phone with a close friend who told me that the corona virus is in Memphis. Take it for what it's worth, but this is what she told me.

She said that she was scrolling through her fakebook page and saw a post from an acquaintance. My friend sells jewelry to raise money for her church and the post she saw was from a lady who has purchased from her several times. She said that the lady had posted that her husband had died of the corona virus in a hospital in Memphis. She said that he had been sick with the flu and he had gone to the hospital because they thought it was going into pneumonia. She said that they ran a lot of tests on him and moved him to "the far side" of the hospital. About 4 hours later he was unresponsive and a few hours later he died. They told her that he had the corona virus.

My friend did not get to finish reading the post. She had to take a call and when she went back to it, the post was gone and she could not find the ladies page on fakebook anymore. She was no longer listed as one of her friends. She said the account was just gone.

According to the post, my friend said that the man died 3 days ago. He was in his 30's and was not Chinese. That's all I know at this time. My friend did say that she would try to contact another customer that might know this lady, to see if she knows anything more.

So much for 2 weeks.

WOW.

First, I'm sorry for your friend of a friend's loss of her husband. 30 is way too young. The story of active, real-time Fakebook censoring is very revealing. It would explain why there's no word of mouth stories, as most people share the info on social networks. And lastly, a death of COVID in TN and not a word in the MSM. I wonder how many others there have been. No wonder the CDC is putting out feelers about possibly locking us down like China...

Thank you for posting. This is a real head's up for all of us.

HD
 

goosebeans

Veteran Member
Italy locks down ten towns after 1st coronavirus death as cases jump to 17

Public spaces across 10 Italian cities have been placed on lockdown, as the first Italian patient succumbed to the illness, amid a spate of new coronavirus cases – bringing the total in the country to 17 infections.
With 15 new cases confirmed on Friday in northern Italy’s northern Lombardy region, health authorities have imposed restrictions on some 50,000 people across 10 towns, who have been asked to stay at home and avoid public places, including schools, bars, church gatherings and sporting events.
Five doctors are among the new patients, the first known cases of local transmission of the virus in Italy. None of them are believed to have traveled to China, where the illness first emerged.

A 78-year-old man from the town of Padua became the first Italian to die of the contagion on Friday, Health Minister Roberto Speranza said. Another patient from the same area has also tested positive. Luca Zaia, president of the Veneto region – which encompasses Padua – said a “sanitary ring” would be established around the town to prevent further spread of the virus.

Restrictions were first imposed on the town of Codogno and its population of 15,000, where three people tested positive for the coronavirus. Authorities in Casalpusterlengo, meanwhile, have already placed an electronic sign outside the town hall reading: “Coronavirus: the population is invited to remain indoors as a precaution.”

Around 200 people across Italy have already been placed into quarantine, while 60 workers from a Unilever facility in Lodi are undergoing tests for the pathogen after a 38-year-old employee fell ill. He is now in serious condition. Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte emphasized that the government is working at “an extremely high level of precaution,” assuring “everything is under control.”

The novel coronavirus, dubbed COVID-19, has infected around 77,000 people and killed over 2,360 worldwide since December. Though the majority have been in Mainland China, some 1,150 cases have been confirmed in other countries, as well as eight fatalities.

Re: The Brit couple.
Japan may have made the decision to reserve its ICU beds for Japanese citizens, as they have enough home grown cases now for an epidemic. It could be why the State Dept decided to bring infected US citizens home against CDC recommendations. The Japanese could be pushing GB to speed up any thought of evacuation.

On the other hand, I thought I read that the Brit couple did not have a positive COVID-19 test after all. If that is true and as they are off the ship and don't need to be quarantined, I would imagine they are on their own to arrange for any medical care they need for regular flu and diabetes.

Personally, I think it should be assumed that everyone on that ship is infected

No, they have it, plus the flu and pneumonia to boot, The first hospital had them on antibiotics and IVs but two days later, once the results of their tests came back, they were moved to this other place and no meds at all! They were shown into a tiny room with a little sink and told to wash up. All that was in there was paper towels! The staff is very unfriendly. And no wifi. It's very difficult for them to get calls out. I can't begin to imagine what their family is going through. The son is going on the BBC tomorrow morning to try to get something done for them. I think he's going to fly out there himself. The thing is, no one from the embassy or the foreign office is communicating with them. It's bad enough to be very ill in a foreign hospital but this place sounds like a hell hole.

As for Italy. I noticed the mention of Unilever and remembered seeing that they have research facilities in Shanghai! Wonder if they had a conference with Chinese counterparts recently.
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
To my fellow Floridians - getting a little too close to home...

And why do these people give their names? The State is all about protecting their privacy and they just call in to the news using their names and location.

Anyway, she wasn't on the Princess, she was on the ship that docked in Cambodia. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF SELF QUARANTINE. Just checking temperature and calling of they have a cough?!? Do they not read the news? She can be an asymptomatic carrier...

(fair use applies)

SWFL woman stuck on cruise due to coronavirus returns home
Reporter: Morgan Rynor | Writer: Jack Lowenstein
Published: February 20, 2020 11:50 PM EST | Updated: February 20, 2020 11:52 PM EST

A Southwest Florida woman who was stuck in the middle of a coronavirus quarantine is finally back home in Southwest Florida.

Holley Rauen arrived at Southwest Florida International Airport Wednesday after she became stuck on a cruise ship for almost two weeks when a fellow passenger was diagnosed with coronavirus.

Rauen several ports, including the United States, denied her ship access because of the virus. She said it felt like they were refugees. She says eventually Cambodia allowed her and her fellow passengers in its country and she was able to begin her trip home.

“True joy. Everyone cheered and had gratitude that we could find a safe harbor in Cambodia,” Rauen said.

When we asked about her experience coming home, she called it bittersweet.

“For us it was a very good experience even though it was stressful that we or someone would test positive for the coronavirus,” Rauen said.

She says the Lee County health department called her and her partner and asked them to monitor themselves for 14 days.

Rauen said they will check their temperature twice a day and monitor any coughs.

They were asked to monitor themselves for 14 days? Wonderful......meanwhile they can shed virus asymptomatically as they go about their daily business. Not even asked to quarantine at home apparently.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
After posting above, got wild hair and grabbed the kindle version and just now skimmed through it quickly.

It'll take a closer look to say for sure, but at first glance, I was impressed with the pandemic prepping advice.

I did not expect to learn a lot of new stuff I did not already know, but was happy to see the info & instructions
are pretty much what a person new to prepping for pandemics needs to know to get started in the right direction.

That's the kind of tool I can later put to really good use here personally, cause it'll be...

For all my friends & relatives that have ignored all my posts, texts & emails I'd linked to the pandemic risks news
and what they needed to of been doing over all these weeks to prep, just in case, but didn't do anything at all.
To all of them, when they finally awaken in a panic and want me then to go over all that they should still try to do
at that future late date, right then when I'm in the middle of my own last minute preps and have not time for them
then, especially when they would not listen to me earlier. For all of them then, it'll be something like this book, that
I'll instead point them all quickly to it, so I can get them off my phone or off my front porch, so I can get back to my
own essential last preps, as I give them my final parting comment to each, simply wishing them all... Good Luck!

Even if book isn't perfect, it'll be far better & much more comprehensive than anything I've got time then to get them
each up to speed on, personally & individually, one-at-a-time, then. That's just the way it'll have to be then; priorities.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Thanks, i trust your judgment and knowledge. I have some Kindle credits so I can get it for $1.95. If things get bad I'd like something all in one place for my kids; right now most of what I read here is in my aging head or on scraps of paper.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
all I keep reading is how many new cases, how about a little hope. how many people are getting better? how many have been sick and got better . we gotta have a little good news out of all this,
According to the bnonews numbers above approximately 21,000 recovered and that's just out of those that were officially tested, probably an exponentially higher number have recovered without ever requiring hospitalization.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Words Fail!


WORLD NEWS
FEBRUARY 22, 2020 / 2:14 AM / UPDATED 35 MINUTES AGO
China brings in seven cruise ships to house Wuhan medical workers


2 MIN READ

BEIJING (Reuters) - China is bringing in seven cruise ships to house medical workers in Wuhan, state media said on Saturday, at a time when such ships are under scrutiny after hundreds of passengers on the Diamond Princess liner in Japan contracted the coronavirus.
The first of these ships, the Blue Whale, arrived in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, on Friday from Yichang, a nearby city down the Yangtze River.
The seven ships will provide 1,469 beds in total.
Tens of thousands of medical workers have been brought into central Hubei province and its capital, Wuhan, from across China to help contain the coronavirus outbreak.

A senior Chinese health official said last week as of Feb. 11, 1,716 health workers had been infected by the coronavirus, SARS-Cov-2, including several who died.
The ships are normally used for river cruises in the Three Gorges scenic area, Xinhua added.
The ships are expected to provide safe dining and living conditions for medics to keep them refreshed as they fight the epidemic, state media said.

The Diamond Princess, held under quarantine in Yokohoma, Japan, since Feb. 3, has reported more than 630 cases, accounting for the biggest infection cluster outside China.

Several countries have already evacuated scores of passengers from the ship, which carried about 3,700 people. A second group of Chinese citizens from Hong Kong were amongst those flown home from Japan, Xinhua reported.

Reporting by Martin Pollard.
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
 

jward

passin' thru
all I keep reading is how many new cases, how about a little hope. how many people are getting better? how many have been sick and got better . we gotta have a little good news out of all this,
from bno's charts we're told:
11,477 serious
20,659 recovered
5,365 suspected

Here in the US they're telling us we've 17 cases, with 5 recovered....
And, if we're all correct, many many many more of us have had some form of creepin crud, kicked it, and will never ever know it is clinically one and the same as this coronaVirus...
 

CnMO

Veteran Member
From 2 days ago , a NBC news article titled -
"Thousands of Americans Voluntarily Self-Quarantine After Returning from China"

Quoted numbers as follows
NY 575
CA 5,400
WA 745
GA 200
VA 138
MI 300
IA 27
ND 10
that's a total of 7,395

AL, IN, MA, TX also monitoring but declined to provide numbers.

(I can't post of article, but its still up on NBC news if you want to read it.)
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Words Fail!


WORLD NEWS
FEBRUARY 22, 2020 / 2:14 AM / UPDATED 35 MINUTES AGO
China brings in seven cruise ships to house Wuhan medical workers


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BEIJING (Reuters) - China is bringing in seven cruise ships to house medical workers in Wuhan, state media said on Saturday, at a time when such ships are under scrutiny after hundreds of passengers on the Diamond Princess liner in Japan contracted the coronavirus.
The first of these ships, the Blue Whale, arrived in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, on Friday from Yichang, a nearby city down the Yangtze River.
The seven ships will provide 1,469 beds in total.
Tens of thousands of medical workers have been brought into central Hubei province and its capital, Wuhan, from across China to help contain the coronavirus outbreak.

A senior Chinese health official said last week as of Feb. 11, 1,716 health workers had been infected by the coronavirus, SARS-Cov-2, including several who died.
The ships are normally used for river cruises in the Three Gorges scenic area, Xinhua added.
The ships are expected to provide safe dining and living conditions for medics to keep them refreshed as they fight the epidemic, state media said.

The Diamond Princess, held under quarantine in Yokohoma, Japan, since Feb. 3, has reported more than 630 cases, accounting for the biggest infection cluster outside China.

Several countries have already evacuated scores of passengers from the ship, which carried about 3,700 people. A second group of Chinese citizens from Hong Kong were amongst those flown home from Japan, Xinhua reported.

Reporting by Martin Pollard.
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

A cruise ship is in no way a worse place to put them than an apartment complex or dormitory. Depending on the layout of the ship and the forethought put into how they set up the accommodation decks it is actually probably far superior in many aspects. Access control is easier, power generation is local, sewage treatment is isolated and can be adjusted according to needs, they most likely have water making capacity for domestic (if not drinking) water, etc..
At the very least it can't be any worse than an apartment complex or dormitory in Wuhan. The key is it's not being used for QUARANTINE, but for HOUSING for the medical workers.
 
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