CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
OH, My Apologies for appearing to troll. I honestly thought I was responding to someone who had requoted y'all and was trolling with the repost.

Been a rather weird week.

(You oughta know by now, we been in this for the last 20 years) that some days I be dumb as a box of hammers. Also I found out today that my peripheral awareness, and situational awareness, well, SAOAFR covers today for me.

SORRY!!

(Situational Awareness of a ****ing rock)
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REF this year's flu toll we lost 5 kids in Cuyahoga County this week alone thru flu. That's more than usual in a 3 week span....

I probably definitely overreacted, I'm wound up tight today. Started as soon as I read about Iran. Iran changes the way I view the board, in a really bad way. Apologies from my end too.

HD
 

goosebeans

Veteran Member
I'm way behind on this thread so don't know if anyone has posted this. It's an update about the elderly, British couple who were on the Princess cruise ship in Japan. They both tested positive for the virus and were taken off the ship to a hospital. Tests also came up positive for the flu and pneumonia!. They were being well taken care of at the hospital. Given IVs and antibiotics. The staff had a translator who spoke English. Then, suddenly, they they were moved to another hospital. No more treatments, no proper bathroom facilities. A small sink with only paper towels. They are both in a very bad way. The man can no longer walk. He's in a wheelchair. He's diabetic. They say it's like a prison. No one speaks English. It's beyond sad.

My feeling is that the Japs are overwhelmed with cases and this decrepit "hospital" is all they have available.

Anyway here's their son and daughter in law. Pleading for help. The British government is not hardly talking to them. They're beseeching President Trump for help.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCKXv1FeYk0
 

Optimus Prime

Senior Member
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for those incredibly concerned about “numbers”, understand that if you don’t do a test there’s not a number! The criteria is laid out so narrow. Has patient travelled to China OR has the patient been in contact with a person diagnosed with NCOV, AND does the patient have fever/cough/sob/low O2 sats?? CDC isn’t really looking. That’s up to you to figure out why.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just trained my 1st class of Respiratory Therapists today from the next wave of hospitals. Casually mentioned the coronavirus here and there during the 8 hour class. Got no reactions from them other than mild awareness. Which is to say, if they or their colleagues at other nearby hospitals have been up to their elbows working on 'flu turning into atalectesis', etc., I saw no sign of it. Even specifically mentioned atelectesis by name.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Seems like I saw here almost a month ago that they were already 8 different strains of the thing. What I do not understand is how different these things are--what level of change we are talking about.

I would really like to know that too. And which country matches which country. Did the Canadian who returned from Iran have the Iranian strain? You would think so but did they check? What about Italy? Is the SK strain the same or different from the HK or Japanese one? And how similar or different are they to China. Is one more contagious than the other? Is one more deadly than the other? Is one more easily spread aerosol and one more easily spread through droplets? I suspect that there will be many papers released once they get to study all of them.

HD
 

Swamp Wallaby

International Observer
This is the best attempt I've seen yet to try and figure out which products are likely to be more expensive or unavailable due to coronavirus related supply chain interruptions. It still has a lot of variations on 'no comment' or 'we don't know yet' from big retailers. (ie. 'Of course we know the probabilities and impacts of a vast range of potential scenarios arising from this situation, because its our job to know, but we're gonna stave you off while we frantically search for new supply lines and cover our own financial arses.)

Australia-centric obviously, but presumably other countries import similar stuff.

From batteries to shutters: Australian firms eye potential coronavirus shortages

Hospitality and travel have already been hard hit, while there are concerns of looming shortages of products such as iPhones and batteries

With the coronavirus outbreak in China affecting the import and export trade, Australian retailers and suppliers are concerned that consumers will soon start experiencing shortages of products ranging from iPhones to batteries. There are widespread factory shutdowns in China as millions of people remain in lockdown and subject to strict travel restrictions and quarantine measures.

While some retailers say it is too soon to see a noticeable impact on stock, with many shipyard and factory workers taking time off for lunar new year anyway, they are preparing for shortages in coming weeks.

China is Australia’s largest trading partner, with major exports including clothing, toys and electronics. Items like blinds and plantation shutters are also in short supply at some companies, with consumers waiting an extra four weeks on orders.


Travel

Qantas on Thursday announced a major reduction in services, cutting flights to Asia by 16% for at least three months, with flights to Shanghai suspended and those to Hong Kong and Singapore reduced.

Its low-cost brand, Jetstar, will likewise reduce its Asia flights by 14% until the end of May, impacting routes to Japan, Thailand and mainland China.


Retail

Vicinity Centres, landlord for shopping centres throughout the country including DFO Brisbane, the Strand Arcade in Sydney and Chadstone in Melbourne, has downgraded its earning forecast.

CEO Grant Kelley said: “At Vicinity, we have seen a material decline in foot traffic at some of our key centres since late January 2020, particularly where there is a high proportion of international visitors, which in turn is impacting sales. As a result, we are forecasting modest reductions in percentage rent, ancillary income and hotel bookings.”

A spokeswoman for supermarket giant Coles said stores were working with suppliers and transport partners to minimise the impact on product availability. But logistics remain challenging, especially through some major ports in Shanghai and Tianjin.

“Like most retailers, we have been impacted by the extension of Chinese New Year, which saw factories closed for longer than planned and delays in production due to staff requiring government permits to return to work,” the spokeswoman said.

“Products such as antibacterial hand washes and hand sanitiser products are already low in stock and there are shortages forecast for non-food items like stationery, clothing, and electrical goods.”

Coles had also experienced delays in refrigeration equipment being shipped out of China for store renewals. Meat that Coles would usually sell to the Chinese market has been diverted to the other Asian countries that they export to, of which there are around 40.

A Woolworths spokesman said there had not been any disruptions to supply or procurement at this stage. A spokeswoman for clothing and stationery brand Cotton On Group, Australia’s largest global retailer, refused to comment.


Smartphones

Apple said there would be a shortage of products, including iPhones, due to factory closures in China.

“Worldwide iPhone supply will be temporarily constrained,” a statement from the company said. “While our iPhone manufacturing partner sites are located outside the Hubei province – and while all of these facilities have reopened – they are ramping up more slowly than we had anticipated.

“The health and wellbeing of every person who helps make these products possible is our paramount priority, and we are working in close consultation with our suppliers and public health experts as this continues. These iPhone supply shortages will temporarily affect revenues worldwide.”

Hospitality

Australian Retail Association head of public affairs Yale Stephens said while he had not received any reports of supply chain disruptions, the industry was suffering from reduced patronage.

“We are only a month in so whether [supplies chains] change depends how long this crisis goes for and how badly it affects Chinese companies selling to Australian retailers,” he said. “But the hospitality trade is being particularly severely hit, particularly Chinese restaurants, so we are just encouraging people to support those businesses.

“There are livelihoods at stake here: those of the hardworking mums and dads who’ve put everything on the line to open a business, and those of the staff they employ whose jobs are in real danger of being lost.

“If we lose iconic local retailers, or tourist operators offering unique experiences, or loved restaurants and cafes that are forced to close, we won’t get them back – and that compounds the potential loss here.”


Seafood

Mark Boulter, executive officer of Safe Sustainable Seafood Australia, said he was not aware of any seafood import shortages to date, but said if the coronavirus event continued for months it would impact on imports from China.

“We are currently organising a round of member meetings and this question will be on the agenda,” he said. “What we are currently highly aware of is the impact this situation is having on the domestic seafood sector, both those who are export focused mostly to China and the sectors of the domestic trade that are focused on Asian communities’ desirable species, such as live mud crabs and rock lobsters, and raw prawns.”

He said a combination of a low-key summer due to the bushfires and subdued Lunar New Year festivities due to the virus had depressed the demand for seafood over the past few months.

“We have not yet been able to determine the extent of this with our members,” he said.


Electronics

Gerry Harvey, chief executive of the electrical and household goods retail chain Harvey Norman, refused to comment on whether electronics supplies had been affected.

Sony Australia said it was difficult to assess the impact that the health crisis would have on its business.

“We will continue to gather information, and assess the situation closely, taking action to minimise impact wherever possible,” a spokesperson said.

Stationery and electronics goods supplier Officeworks would not comment. A Kmart group spokeswoman said so far, supply chain disruptions had been minimal.

“Our absolute priority remains ensuring our team are safe and as a precaution, we have suspended all business travel in and out of China and Hong Kong until further notice,” she said.

Guardian Australia has also contacted JB Hi-Fi for comment.


Medical

While products such as hand sanitiser and face masks are in short supply, this is due to significant consumer demand rather than any interruption to supply chains. However, masks are not essential to protect against the virus, which is so far well contained in Australia.

On Tuesday evening the president of the Australian Medical Association, Dr Tony Bartone, met with health officials. He said that said apart from sporadic mask shortages there had been no reports of supplies of pharmaceuticals and devices to hospitals being disrupted.

Pharmaceutical companies GSK, Janssen, and Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson Medical said there had been no supply impacts as a result of the virus and subsequent business closures in China. A GSK spokeswoman said it was an evolving situation.

“We have supply chain planning in place for our products, which includes measures to secure reliable supply, such as holding strategic stock and dual sourcing,” she said. “At this time, we have adequate stock in place, however this is an evolving situation which we will keep under review.”

In a statement, drug company Astra Zeneca said it was working closely with global health authorities. “We have in place contingency plans to support our operations,” the statement said. “In order to protect employees, we have taken a decision at this time to restrict all non-business critical travel to and from China, including Hong Kong.”

Medical device and pharmaceutical company Bayer said it was in regular contact with suppliers in China.

“Currently we do not have an impact on production and market supply,” a spokeswoman said.


Industrial

The world’s biggest miner, BHP, warned demand for resources could be affected. A BHP investor report issued on Tuesday said the disease outbreak, trade policy and geopolitics were key uncertainties for the sector.

“If the viral outbreak is not demonstrably well contained within the March quarter, we expect to revise our expectations for economic and commodity demand growth downwards,” the report said.

“This caveat applies, to varying degrees, across our portfolio and we will continue to monitor. In this regard, we highlight the distinction between a permanent loss of demand in oil due to foregone transport services; and temporary demand losses with the opportunity to be reclaimed, as in steel and copper end-use. We anticipate a net demand loss due to the 2019 coronavirus disease outbreak in the near term.”

With battery cell shortages also predicted, Guardian Australia has contacted Battery Specialties Australia, which supplies household, industrial, automotive and solar batteries, and Solar Juice, a wholesaler of solar panels and components.

Solar Juice co-founder and head of supply, Rami Fedda, said in a message on LinkedIn that he was working with two large manufacturers unable book a vessel until later in February or early March. Stock that was ready for shipment prior to Chinese New Year won’t get to the Solar Juice warehouse until March, while the company would be lucky to receive any new stock before April, he said.

The next gap in the market could be raw material, where even non-Chinese manufacturers have been warning of delays. “My best guess if there is an impact it will happen around May for non-Chinese panels.”
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
I probably definitely overreacted, I'm wound up tight today. Started as soon as I read about Iran. Iran changes the way I view the board, in a really bad way. Apologies from my end too.

HD
We've been married 30 years, and two weeks ago I had this "tone" when I talked to my husband. Shocking, I've apologized, no big deal. I am not tightly wound but the dragon outside the door was causing some stress. We're family here.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Just sat down and saw this. Not sure if it's been posted in the last page or 20. If it has, duplicating it ain't a bad thing.
Coming from the CDC, I consider it fairly ominous.
From RT, but I don't have any reason to doubt it's veracity.


‘Tremendous public health threat’: CDC confirms 34 coronavirus cases in US, prepares for ‘very possible, even likely’ pandemic

The CDC has warned that transmission of the deadly COVID-19 virus in the US is “very possible, even likely” and said its current goal is not to prevent but to slow down its spread and “buy more time” for US communities to prepare.
Added to the 13 already confirmed, the 21 new cases in the US were announced by the CDC on Friday in a media briefing, all of whom returned to the country aboard emergency repatriation flights arranged by the State Department for citizens stranded abroad. Health officials said they expect additional cases to arise from those still in quarantine.
“This new virus represents a tremendous public health threat,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters, adding that it is “very possible” and even “likely” the illness would continue to spread in the US.
We never expected that we would catch every single traveler with novel coronavirus returning from China, given the nature of this virus and how it’s spreading... That would be simply impossible.
The new patients are among more than 300 Americans evacuated from a quarantined cruise ship docked off the coast of Japan, where some 3,700 passengers were stranded for over two weeks in isolation. Ten additional passengers have tested positive in Japan, but will only be added to the official tally after confirmation by the CDC.

US health officials said they will now classify cases into two categories: those diagnosed inside the US, and those that were confirmed abroad and repatriated. Eighteen patients returned from the stranded cruise ship, while three others were brought home from Wuhan, China, where the illness was first observed.

The total number of infections worldwide has soared to around 77,000, with 2,360 fatalities, the majority of them in mainland China.

 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
This is not coronavirus related but I thought this might be a good post to include on this thread for regarding making do with what you have when you don't have much during a highly contagious and deadly epidemic. - OGM

Fair use.

“I’m going to teach them the things I’ve already done, because I treated four people, and only one died,” she said.

Los Angeles Times
In Liberia, one woman’s singular fight against Ebola
Liberian nursing student Fatu Kekula

Liberian student nurse Fatu Kekula, shown on Oct. 5, saved her father’s life in this makeshift isolation ward in a spare, unfinished room at home, using nothing more than raincoats and boots, plastic bags, gloves and masks.
(Robyn Dixon)

By ROBYN DIXON
OCT. 6, 2014

5 AM
Reporting from Vai Town, Liberia —
Local doctors were horrified. Fatu Kekula was trying to care for her family, sick with Ebola, at home using nothing more than plastic trash bags, a raincoat bought in the market, boots, a surgical mask and gloves.
They called, urging her to be sensible.

“Doctors called and told me to leave them right alone and not go anywhere near them,” the 22-year-old nursing student said. “I couldn’t. They’re my only family.

“When your family get ill, you know that the virus is deadly. But your family is your family.”

In recent months, Liberia has suffered a severe shortage of treatment beds, with many people turned away, forced to go home, dying terrible deaths and infecting family members who tried to help them.

The beds shortage has eased in recent days. But Fatu’s story is testament to the grief and confusion family members feel, when urged by authorities and health workers not to touch sick family members. Most simply go into denial and treat them anyway, without taking precautions.

In August, Fatu’s father, Moses; mother, Victoria; sister Vivienne; and a young cousin, Alfred Wennie, 14, who had been taken in by the Kekulas as a foster child, all fell desperately ill with Ebola. Every day, Fatu said, she called for an ambulance and begged for help. For more than two weeks, none came.

“No one came near me. No one! I were all alone, all alone,” she said.

Her unorthodox solution helped protect her as she worked around the clock to save them. It may not be an option that can be applied widely, however, because most Liberians lack the knowledge or resources to do what she did.

Fatu had been away at a relative’s home in Grand Bassa County when her father, a 52-year-old administrator at a local clinic, got sick July 29. About a week earlier, he had been diagnosed with typhoid and given a bed that had just been vacated by an Ebola patient in the clinic where he worked.

His wife, Victoria, sent her four youngest foster children away and did her best to care for him, but when he weakened dramatically, with vomiting and diarrhea, she called Fatu home Aug. 3.

Fatu and her sister, Vivienne, took Moses by taxi, 90 minutes on punishing roads, to Monrovia, but no Ebola treatment unit could take him. On the ride back, Fatu made her plan.

“Since I know small, small medicine, I said, ‘God, with my faith I’m going to get my father home, and he’ll survive.’”
She set up a makeshift isolation room in a spare unfinished room outside the house. She bought raincoats, rain boots, chlorine and other supplies. Then she went to work.

When she entered her father’s treatment room she put on socks, plastic bags donned like waders, rain boots, four sets of gloves, a coat, a mask and a plastic bag over her hair. He wouldn’t eat. Carefully, she put in an intravenous drip. She poured rehydration liquids down his throat, drop by drop.

She gave him blood pressure medicine, antibiotics, analgesics for his fever and splitting headache. She even gave him an antiretroviral medicine normally used to save the lives of AIDS patients.

“He was restless. I did his blood pressure and it was very low, and I was afraid that he might die,” she said.
Moses Kekula was struggling to breathe, with a shattering headache, aches all over his body.
“I was almost like giving up. I kept praying to survive,” he recalled.

A week later, just as he was beginning to show signs of improvement, his wife became sick. Then the disease struck daughter Vivienne and her cousin, who’d been sent to live with them by his father, a farmer.

Around the clock, one or the other of them would be weakly calling Fatu for help. She dozed 15 minutes here, 30 minutes there.

“It was a bit difficult for me to sleep because all the time they would call me, maybe two of them would call me at the same time. Every time I would go into a dangerous room, I would dress up,” she said.

“The whole virus thing, it’s like carrying a baby in your hands, because it turns them into a child. You have to be sorry for them. You have to put yourself into the shoes of that person and ask yourself, ‘What if it were me?’”

She went through four boxes of surgical gloves, and bags of raincoats. When she took off the clothing, she had to shrug it off carefully to avoid touching the exterior. She sprayed copiously with chlorinated water. She carefully burned all the waste.

She swiftly burned through the $600 in her bank account.

“My approach was just to treat them based on their symptoms. I never felt tired. I was fighting for my family and their lives. I would do it for other people in the hospital so I knew I could do it for my family.”

On the 18th day, as Alfred’s condition swiftly declined, an ambulance arrived. She watched it depart with her family members, fear gripping her heart. Would she see them again?

“I was worried. I worried a lot because my entire family went there. They had the symptoms of the virus, and the virus had no cure.”

She prayed as hard as she could that their Ebola tests would be negative. All would come back positive.
Outside John F. Kennedy Medical Center, Alfred collapsed, convulsing.

“He said, ‘Aunty, I want to lie down,’” Victoria said. There were no beds inside, so Moses, Victoria, Vivienne and Alfred were given mattresses lined up next to each on the floor. Alfred’s skin became hot, he started bleeding from his mouth, convulsing again.

When Victoria awoke the next morning at 5, she saw Alfred, her foster child, just a yard away on the next mattress, drenched in blood from his head.

“I was afraid to touch him,” she said. “Then I saw he wasn’t breathing.

“I cried. I said ‘It’s a shame on me, because I took somebody’s child, a relative’s child, and he died in my hands.’”
Victoria’s health declined sharply, she began ranting unintelligibly, her skin broke out in a rash. But she would ultimately survive.

After helping her family, Fatu wants to spread hope, passing her knowledge on to other desperate families. She addressed workshops organized by the Ministry of Health, teaching people how to use plastic bags to protect themselves when there’s nothing else.

“I’m going to teach them the things I’ve already done, because I treated four people, and only one died,” she said.
Follow @RobynDixon_LAT for news from Africa


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naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Costa Mesa Seeks To Block Transfer Of Up To 70 Coronavirus Patients To City
February 21, 2020 at 6:29 pm
Filed Under: Coronavirus, costa mesa coronavirus, fairview development center coronavirus

COSTA MESA (CBSLA) – Costa Mesa is trying to block as many as 70 confirmed coronavirus patients from being transferred to the city.

Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Development Center on Sunday. Last night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 76 patients to the state-owned land.

Some of the patients are from the Diamond Princess cruise ship from which more than 300 U.S. citizens were removed Monday.

City leaders say that the injunction was filed in an effort to protect Costa Mesa residents.

“We have a lot of activity in the area.” said Mayor Katrina Foley. “So, it’s not the kind of area that’s isolated and that would be appropriate for quarantining people who have an infectious disease,” said Mayor Katrina Foley.


The largest concern is the lack of information, despite the fact that the patients are expected to arrive in a matter of days, said Costa Mesa fire chief Dan Stefano.

“There has not been an information flow, and in a situation like that, for us, it creates the greatest concern,” he said.


While it is known that the patients are California residents and some may be coming from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, city manager Loriann Farrell Harrison said the city needs to know more before feeling comfortable with the transfer.

“The reason that we have followed through with an injunction is because we don’t have a lot of information. We would like to know more about who the individuals are,” she said.

According to the injunction, the city of Costa Mesa seeks to stop the transfer until “an adequate site survey has been conducted, the designated site has been determined suitable for this purpose, all necessary safeguards and precautions have been put in place, and the public and local government have been informed of all efforts to mitigate risk of transmission of the disease.”
 

vestige

Deceased

EMICT

Veteran Member
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for those incredibly concerned about “numbers”, understand that if you don’t do a test there’s not a number! The criteria is laid out so narrow. Has patient travelled to China OR has the patient been in contact with a person diagnosed with NCOV, AND does the patient have fever/cough/sob/low O2 sats?? CDC isn’t really looking. That’s up to you to figure out why.

This is how Section A should read...

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Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
No... These are just "under observation" ( basically, told to monitor themselves for symptoms and get to a dr. if they manifest ). The majority are those who came into close proximity with someone who was infected...

I, immediately, think of that Marine Corp band that was playing for the quaratined with only a chain link fence and no PPE separating them...
Wonder which way the wind was blowing.... a subtle hint to those with ears, stay up wind of folks when possible. Hunters understand.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Italy locks down ten towns after 1st coronavirus death as cases jump to 17

Public spaces across 10 Italian cities have been placed on lockdown, as the first Italian patient succumbed to the illness, amid a spate of new coronavirus cases – bringing the total in the country to 17 infections.
With 15 new cases confirmed on Friday in northern Italy’s northern Lombardy region, health authorities have imposed restrictions on some 50,000 people across 10 towns, who have been asked to stay at home and avoid public places, including schools, bars, church gatherings and sporting events.
Five doctors are among the new patients, the first known cases of local transmission of the virus in Italy. None of them are believed to have traveled to China, where the illness first emerged.

A 78-year-old man from the town of Padua became the first Italian to die of the contagion on Friday, Health Minister Roberto Speranza said. Another patient from the same area has also tested positive. Luca Zaia, president of the Veneto region – which encompasses Padua – said a “sanitary ring” would be established around the town to prevent further spread of the virus.

Restrictions were first imposed on the town of Codogno and its population of 15,000, where three people tested positive for the coronavirus. Authorities in Casalpusterlengo, meanwhile, have already placed an electronic sign outside the town hall reading: “Coronavirus: the population is invited to remain indoors as a precaution.”

Around 200 people across Italy have already been placed into quarantine, while 60 workers from a Unilever facility in Lodi are undergoing tests for the pathogen after a 38-year-old employee fell ill. He is now in serious condition. Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte emphasized that the government is working at “an extremely high level of precaution,” assuring “everything is under control.”

The novel coronavirus, dubbed COVID-19, has infected around 77,000 people and killed over 2,360 worldwide since December. Though the majority have been in Mainland China, some 1,150 cases have been confirmed in other countries, as well as eight fatalities.

 

jward

passin' thru
All I can say is I am fortunate. I take no meds at 60. That said, I have both pain meds and antibiotics in my kit for....hopefully, nothing.
I have asked the DW to get a new script, she has yet to do it. It is for a lasix-type medicine. There are a few natural alternatives.

This is going to be interesting in the JIT inventory world. How many products will be able to be made in the future? How long will it take to re-tool here?

Many opportunities, if the financial end stays intact(it ain't gonna!)

Southside
I must say I feel a lil vindicated re: taking myself off BP meds awhile back. At the time I did not understand my sense of timing or the decision. Now, I'm doubly greatful that I listen to my inner voice and step out on faith, and that i've had the extra time to work out alternatives.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....
10 Italian towns in lockdown over coronavirus fears

Ella IDE, AFP February 21, 2020

Rome (AFP) - Authorities in northern Italy on Friday ordered the closure of schools, bars and other public spaces in 10 towns following a flurry of new coronavirus cases.
Five doctors and 10 other people tested positive for the virus in Lombardy, after apparently frequenting the same bar and group of friends, with two other cases in Veneto, authorities said at a press conference.
Over 50,000 people have been asked to stay at home in the areas concerned, while all public activities such as carnival celebrations, church masses and sporting events have been banned for up to a week.
Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said "everything is under control", and stressed the government was maintaining "an extremely high level of precaution".
Streets in the towns were deserted, with only a few people seen abroad, and signs showing public spaces closed.
In Casalpusterlengo, a large electronic message board outside the town hall read "Coronavirus: the population is invited to remain indoors as a precaution".
The first town to be shuttered was Codogno, with a population of 15,000, where three people tested positive for the virus, including a 38-year old man and his wife, who is eight months pregnant.
Three others there have tested positive to a first novel coronavirus test and are awaiting their definitive results.
Codogno mayor Francesco Passerini said the news of the cases "has sparked alarm" throughout the town south of Milan.
The 38-year old, who works for Unilever in Lodi, was in a serious condition in intensive care.
- 'Extremely worried' -
He had dined earlier this month with a man who had visited China in January, and had later shown flu-like symptoms, but has since tested negative for the virus, Italian media said.
A football friend of his, the son of a bar owner in Codogno, has also tested positive, along with three regulars at the bar.
The three, all of whom are retired, live in the small town of Castiglione d'Adda. The mayor there said the locals were "extremely worried" about the spread of the deadly disease.
Some 250 people were being placed in isolation after coming into contact with the new cases, according to the Lombardy region, and 60 worker at Unilever have been tested for the virus.
Trenord regional railway said its trains would no longer be stopping in three stations in the affected area.
The head of the Veneto region, Luca Zaia, said a 78 and 67-year old, from the village of Vo' Euganeo, at the foot of the Euganean Hills near Padua, had tested positive.
He said "a sanitary ring" would be created around the village, where public spaces would be closed.
Three other cases of the virus in Italy are being treated in isolation at the Spallanzani Institute in Rome.
The outbreak of the so-called COVID-19 illness which began in December has killed more than 2,200 people and infected more than 75,500 in China.
Over 1,150 people have been infected and eight have died across 26 other countries, according to the World Health Organization.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Quarantine:
Lets say, for shits and grins, that you, an individual, has been identified as having been exposed to a virus.
The powers that be decide to put you in quarantine for 14 days. The days tick by, and you are very relieved that you have not developed symptoms and tests show you are not shedding virus in your poop.
And then on day 13, the door opens and another dumb shit is thrown into your quarantine.
And the voice on the loud speaker says "you are going to have to stay in there for another 14 days because we don't have any more facilities for your roommate, sorry".
and then your roommate sneezes.
What do you do? And do you wait till he falls asleep to do it?
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member

bluelady

Veteran Member
Regarding sterility . . .

Here's a journal article that says you can use an InstantPot as an autoclave:

Very cool; I have an Instant Pot! I would think it might be wise to get a bunch of spare gaskets; I know everything inside is sterilized, but the rings do get permanently stained/odorized, so ???? I have 3 different colors for different uses.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Quarantine:
Lets say, for shits and grins, that you, an individual, has been identified as having been exposed to a virus.
The powers that be decide to put you in quarantine for 14 days. The days tick by, and you are very relieved that you have not developed symptoms and tests show you are not shedding virus in your poop.
And then on day 13, the door opens and another dumb shit is thrown into your quarantine.
And the voice on the loud speaker says "you are going to have to stay in there for another 14 days because we don't have any more facilities for your roommate, sorry".
and then your roommate sneezes.
What do you do? And do you wait till he falls asleep to do it?

You think maybe there are some, out beyond the quarantine fence, thinking the same thing about you?
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member
Well, well, well...Chinese student died of flu after calling 911 on a Chinese phone that couldn't be located.

Found another article- supposedly Influenza A and he hadn't been to China for 13 months. Still seems a little suspicious (adjusting tinfoil hat)-

 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Wow, we really are going to do Chinese accounting.
IDK, assuming it's done right and made clear, which it looks like they are, I like that they are splitting the numbers. There *is* a big difference between 1) those who contracted it elsewhere before they were brought here (H2H in China or on ship) and 2) those who contracted it here (H2H in U.S.). If group 1 numbers keep going up but group 2 don't, then we're still dodging the bullets.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....

59 Hong Kong police quarantined after meal with virus colleague

AFPFebruary 21, 2020

Dozens of Hong Kong police officers have been placed in quarantine after attending a banquet with a colleague who later tested positive for the new coronavirus, officials said Friday.

The news prompted celebrations among some pro-democracy protesters, a vivid illustration of how deeply polarised the city has become after months of rallies and thousands of arrests last year.

The 48-year-old officer found to be carrying the virus had dinner on Tuesday with 59 colleagues, police said.

All have been classified as "close contacts" and ordered to undergo mandatory quarantine.

Health officials said four officers as well as the infected policeman's wife and mother-in-law showed symptoms of illness.

Protesters gathered inside a mall on Friday celebrated the news of the quarantine, with one man offering bottles of Corona beer to passersby in a wry reference to the virus.

Social media was also inundated with messages from Hong Kongers vowing to mark the occasion by drinking champagne.

Months earlier a police officer had been filmed shouting that he and his colleagues would drink champagne after the death of a student on the sidelines of a pro-democracy rally.

Friday's protest marked the seven-month anniversary of a bloody assault by club-wielding men -- some with connections to "triad" organised crime gangs -- on protesters at a train station.

Police were accused to failing to respond quickly enough to the attack, in which 40 people were hospitalised.

Officers were also filmed afterwards talking to some of the perpetrators, who were allowed to go free.

Police denied turning a blind eye and said they were busy dealing with violent pro-democracy protesters elsewhere that night.

But the incident sparked huge public anger that resonates to this day.

Hong Kong's huge pro-democracy protest movement appeared to be losing momentum at the start of the year but the COVID-19 outbreak -- which has infected 69 people and claimed two lives in the city -- has effectively ended all mass gatherings.

The protests were pushing for universal suffrage and an independent inquiry into the police.

Around 7,000 people were arrested during the protests, many facing up to ten years jail on rioting charges.
 

CarolynA

Veteran Member
Costa Mesa Seeks To Block Transfer Of Up To 70 Coronavirus Patients To City
February 21, 2020 at 6:29 pm
Filed Under: Coronavirus, costa mesa coronavirus, fairview development center coronavirus

COSTA MESA (CBSLA) – Costa Mesa is trying to block as many as 70 confirmed coronavirus patients from being transferred to the city.

Federal court papers filed Friday state that the federal government plans to transfer the patients from Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento to the former Fairview Development Center on Sunday. Last night officials began hearing of the plan by the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC to move between 30 and 76 patients to the state-owned land.

Some of the patients are from the Diamond Princess cruise ship from which more than 300 U.S. citizens were removed Monday.

City leaders say that the injunction was filed in an effort to protect Costa Mesa residents.

“We have a lot of activity in the area.” said Mayor Katrina Foley. “So, it’s not the kind of area that’s isolated and that would be appropriate for quarantining people who have an infectious disease,” said Mayor Katrina Foley.


The largest concern is the lack of information, despite the fact that the patients are expected to arrive in a matter of days, said Costa Mesa fire chief Dan Stefano.

“There has not been an information flow, and in a situation like that, for us, it creates the greatest concern,” he said.


While it is known that the patients are California residents and some may be coming from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, city manager Loriann Farrell Harrison said the city needs to know more before feeling comfortable with the transfer.

“The reason that we have followed through with an injunction is because we don’t have a lot of information. We would like to know more about who the individuals are,” she said.

According to the injunction, the city of Costa Mesa seeks to stop the transfer until “an adequate site survey has been conducted, the designated site has been determined suitable for this purpose, all necessary safeguards and precautions have been put in place, and the public and local government have been informed of all efforts to mitigate risk of transmission of the disease.”
So did anyone notice that the article said that SOME of the 70 patients are from the cruise ship? Where the heck did the non-cruise patients come from? Maybe I missed something....
 
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