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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
RESQDOC made the comment one day (we had all been into his Balvenie Double Distilled) that if he'd had it to do over again he'd have gone the PA route. Best job in medicine. And if yer like him or me, who read FURIOUSLY and WIDELY your knowledge base can be as good or better than the doc in the next treatment room.
 
bsharp

bsharp

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Old Gray Mare said:
It can't be contained. BUT, individual families could significantly limit their exposure to the contagion and lessen their chances and their families chances of getting the bug IF the government would get it's head out of it's A$$ and push anal retentive control freak supervisors to let government, civilian and military who can work from home to work from home. Cyber schooling kids would also be a big plus on the limiting exposure to the bug. IMO the teachers Union would fight it tooth and nail.
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Many teachers are using google classroom anyway. The biggest concern would be verifying that it is actually the student doing the work.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
OH, My Apologies for appearing to troll. I honestly thought I was responding to someone who had requoted y'all and was trolling with the repost.

Been a rather weird week.

(You oughta know by now, we been in this for the last 20 years) that some days I be dumb as a box of hammers. Also I found out today that my peripheral awareness, and situational awareness, well, SAOAFR covers today for me.

SORRY!!

(Situational Awareness of a ****ing rock)
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REF this year's flu toll we lost 5 kids in Cuyahoga County this week alone thru flu. That's more than usual in a 3 week span....
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
The RC Bishop of Hong Kong has closed his churches and told everybody to stay home. Which leads to a story that I might have told in olden times.

Grandma was dying very uneasy in her mind. She wanted her minister to pray over her in her last hours. So the family called the minister but no go, he was not available,

So the nurse says call the priest, he always comes.

Well, the family didn't think Grandma was really into priests so they tried another minister with no luck.

And the nurse says, call the priest, he always comes.

By this time Grandma is really uneasy and maybe she might not notice. So they called the priest.

And he showed up with three other people.

And he says a prayer over Grandma which everybody including Grandma thought was pretty good.

Then the three companions step forward, announce that they are going to sing one of those rock solid Protestant hymns and invited the family to participate which they did and Grandma seemed to appreciate that too.

Then the priest stepped forward and read from the Bible (II Timothy?) and Grandma relaxed, everything was OK now.

The priest always comes. Well, you are the Bishop and you have this plague that is wiping out people right and left because it is incredibly contagious. Do you stand and watch your diocesan clergy get wiped out? But, approaching the dying while wearing a space suit does not seem to add to the ambiance usually associated with succoring the dying. .

This thing hits like it has other places, gonna be some gut-wrenching decisions.
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
night driver said:
OH, My Apologies for appearing to troll. I honestly thought I was responding to someone who had requoted y'all and was trolling with the repost.

Been a rather weird week.

(You oughta know by now, we been in this for the last 20 years) that some days I be dumb as a box of hammers. Also I found out today that my peripheral awareness, and situational awareness, well, SAOAFR covers today for me.

SORRY!!


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REF this year's flu toll we lost 5 kids in Cuyahoga County this week alone thru flu. That's more than usual in a 3 week span....
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psychgirl

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
rondaben said:
It doesn't. i don't have much in the way of experience with the vet side of things, but the principle should be the same. Having the equipment to really do the job--sterile--would be a challenge. Remember, you are intubating right into the nasopharynx where there is a high viral load. Tickle the wrong part and you will be on the wrong end of infected vomit.

If the need arose I would imagine everything would be tried.

Most people that would be hospitalized wouldn't need ventilation or ECMO. a high flow mask would probaly be adequate in most patients. The autopsy I read the person was desatting but declined to be intubated because of claustrophobia. Even on high flow O2 his O2sats dropped into the 60s. They did intubate him but he coded shortly thereafter and passed.

Wish I had more valuable input, but this is out of my area.
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Ok. Thank you for the reply.
The sterility issues are what I thought of first, right behind the mechanics.
We sterilize quite rigidly, but not nearly what I’d imagine is used humans, and yes, the comment about vomit IS a thing I didn’t think of.
I guess, if I had a loved one who needed help bad enough I’d at least entertain the thought of using vet facilities if nothing else was available.
Hmmmm... good food for thought there, and great for a brain storming exercise.

(On a side note?... human bodily juices and secretions gross me out wayyyy more than animal issues any day of the week. Humans are kind of gross, in my estimation. At least animals are honest ...***shrugs***)
 
Freeholder

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
20Gauge said:
Actually I like them and have gotten better care from them than actual doctors...
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This has been my experience, as well, with three different PA’s in three different locations. They don’t seem to be in such a huge rush, and take time to listen and try to actually find out what is going on. Their diagnoses are at least as accurate if not more so. I was glad to find out my daughter would be seeing a PA at the clinic I‘ve been taking her to.

Kathleen
 
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rondaben

Veteran Member
cyberiot said:
Regarding sterility . . .

Here's a journal article that says you can use an InstantPot as an autoclave:

journals.plos.org

Assessment and verification of commercially available pressure cookers for laboratory sterilization

Laboratory science requires careful maintenance of sterile reagents and tools as well as the sterilization of waste prior to disposal. However, steam autoclaves typically used for this purpose may not be readily accessible to everyone in the scientific community, such as K-12 teachers...
journals.plos.org journals.plos.org
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That is cool!
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Ahh, just a comment, that the last intubation I did in a clinical setting the Anesthesia guy who was passing thru pointed out that intubation is NOT a sterile procedure BECAUSE the mouth and nose are TEEMING with nasties (human bite is the most contaminated bite out there WELL ahead of cats which IIRC were #2)
 
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Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Troke said:
The priest always comes. Well, you are the Bishop and you have this plague that is wiping out people right and left because it is incredibly contagious. Do you stand and watch your diocesan clergy get wiped out? But, approaching the dying while wearing a space suit does not seem to add to the ambiance usually associated with succoring the dying. .

This thing hits like it has other places, gonna be some gut-wrenching decisions.
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If I'm the Bishop the priests get PPE's and training to help prevent them getting the disease and spreading the disease.

Congregations and mourners are told to stay home and participate in Church services and funerals via live stream on the internet. I remember some churches broadcasting services on the radio.

Unless the government intervenes this is not going to happen. They can beg donations but can't pass the collection plate on radio or internet.
 
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rondaben

Veteran Member
night driver said:
Ahh, just a comment, that the last intubation I did in a clinical setting the Anesthesia guy who was passing thru pointed out that intubation is NOT a sterile procedure BECAUSE the mouth and nose are TEEMING with nasties (human bite is the most contaminated bite out there WELL ahead of cats which IIRC were #2)
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You are absolutely right...I was thinking keeping the person intubating clean. I should have clarified that!
 
Swamp Wallaby

Swamp Wallaby

International Observer
Tarryn said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1231021220835069952
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231021220835069952


BREAKING: South Korea reports 142 new cases of coronavirus, raising country's total to 346 - Yonhap

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline - BNO News
bnonews.com
8:01 PM · Feb 21, 2020·TweetDeck
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So they found 20 new cases in South Korea on the 19th, 53 on the 20th, 100-odd on the 21st, and now 142 new cases today? Yeah, they've got a problem.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Swamp Wallaby said:
So they found 20 new cases in South Korea on the 19th, 53 on the 20th, 100-odd on the 21st, and now 142 new cases today? Yeah, they've got a problem.
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If we don't have VERY similar numbers the 2nd and 3rd week in March we will have dodged a HUGE bullet.

NOT holding my breath though.


OH HELL!! Those look exponential (factor of 2) on a less than 2 day cycle....(or Gawd forbid a factor of 3)
 
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Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
DustyOpal said:
No. This was the second week in January. It was an urgent care doctor, not my GP. She prescribed me some antibiotics because she thought I may be getting a sinus infection and sent me home.

Edited to add - This wasn't really being talked about in the news yet. There were no quarantines. I didn't even know the Chinese kid had been sick until about a week after I had already been to urgent care and then I started putting it together in my head.
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Might not hurt to bring it up. Or, maybe they'll put you in isolation. Who knows?
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Helen dropped this on the CSue thread. I brought it here.

Curiouser and Curiouser ...


helen said:
Go to Twitter.

Use the search function.

Search term is monkeypox with no hashtag.

A guy uses that for his handle, so you'll have to wade through his stuff to find articles from African news and health organizations.

Monkeypox showed up over 200 times in 2019.

Monkeypox showed up more than 200 times in January 2020 already.

Symptoms look like any other flu virus at first.
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Swamp Wallaby

Swamp Wallaby

International Observer
night driver said:
If we don't have VERY similar numbers the 2nd and 3rd week in March we will have dodged a HUGE bullet.

NOT holding my breath though.


OH HELL!! Those look exponential (factor of 2) on a less than 2 day cycle....(or Gawd forbid a factor of 3)
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Looks like it, yeah, but I think it's more likely that some of these people have had the bug for a while, it's just that testing has stepped up around the church-related super-spreader incident. We've got no idea how many of the recently detected cases are symptomatic, how many were just tested because they were known contacts, etc. etc. Considering the high percentage of mild cases and the potential length of both incubation and shedding periods, we could have more than one generation being detected at once.
 
Heliobas Disciple

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Texican said:
Where to purchase the Chaga Mushroom????

Thanks,

Texican....
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Terrwyn said:
Dragon Herbs
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I haven't used Dragon Herbs, it may be less expensive there so check them out too. I was going to buy some powder form from Amazon. I buy powder so I can control the dosage, I like to start out really small and make sure there's no problem before I take the recommended or above-recommendation dose. I know I'm repeating myself but if anyone is on a prescription medication or has an underlying condition, you have to check there is no drug interaction or contraindication when taking an herbal remedy. You usually can google it.

Amazon.com : chaga mushroom

www.amazon.com

HD
 
Capt. Eddie

Capt. Eddie

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Tom McDowell said:
2min ago
US changes the way it counts coronavirus cases
From CNN's Ben Tinker


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The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will now track confirmed cases of novel coronavirus in the United States in two separate and distinct groups: those repatriated by the US Department of State and those identified by the US public health network.

What this means: By these new metrics, there are now 21 confirmed cases among repatriated Americans and 13 confirmed cases among Americans first identified on US soil, said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease.

Eighteen cases have been confirmed among passengers from the Diamond Princess cruise ship now back in the United States. Three cases have been confirmed among passengers from the Wuhan repatriation flights now back in the United States.

Up until yesterday, the CDC was reporting 15 confirmed cases in the United States. The reason that number has dropped to 13 is because two cases have moved into the case count of repatriated individuals.
The change in the counting system starts today.

www.cnn.com

February 21, 2020 coronavirus news

Another 48 cases of coronavirus have been diagnosed in South Korea.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

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Wow, we really are going to do Chinese accounting.
 
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