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EN66iq
Must hear episode today...

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

Globalism with so many necessities made in China and other countries is coming back to bite us in the rear. This indeed is a 'must listen' and if you have any medications that you depend on you better stock up. All the generic medicines are either made in China or the raw materials necessary to make them like in India depend on raw materials sourced from China.

Even most of the supplements we use such as vitamin C are all made in China now and we don't even make lowly aspirin in this country anymore. This is why we prep and thank God for those that have had the foresight to see the danger in advance so they are not caught without like so many.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Must hear episode today...

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Thank you for this post. I just ordered more medicinal herb seeds for my garden, I think we're going to have to figure out how to do without pharmaceuticals until we can bring back these companies to the US. And it was really emotional to listen to the fellow who owned the only face mask company in the US - how frustrating all of this must be for him.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
1000 doesn't even rise to the level of background noise.
1000 deaths DO NOT make a pandemic. If it did, Islam would have been declared a viral pandemic on 911.
the numbers reported by China and worldwide can in no possible way justify a pandemic.
the numbers do not justify the quarantine of 50 million people, the lock down of 400 million, the shutdown of major sectors of the economy.
But 15-50K. Which it probably actually is, perhaps does rise to the level of background noise
not in China. the US has 1/5 the population and had 50K flu deaths last year
50K in China would routine.
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
They may be useful and save lives, however, once it hits the lungs because pneumonia often leads to secondary bacterial infections but they won't do anything at all for the initial virus.

Often times patients that are high risk, will be given antibiotics to try and prevent a secondary bacterial infection but in healthy people,it is recommended to wait unless or until a bacterial infection occurs.
I had read the pneumonia caused from coronavirus was viral. You would know more that I on this though.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
American receiving/shipping companies of any mail or packages from China and any other country having a high incidence of Wuhan Virus needs to implement sanitizing all mail and packages including use of high intensity UV....

If this is not done, how soon before shipping and receiving personnel are infected by the Wuhan Virus????

Texican....
This is
The answer is its still 14 days!!
Seen it rise up to 42 days here.
 

alpha

Veteran Member
Could someone please tell me where it was first posted about the 42 day incubation period?
Martinhouse, the original outlier on the bell curve was a 24 day incubation period whereas the mean was 3.0 days. Upon investigation it was determined that the 24 days was a reinfection or second event in the same patient with more pronounced symptoms resulting in being tested. (Watch MedCram Update 15 with Dr. Seheult) He explains the event at about the 3:00 minute mark. It's entirely possible that the 42 day event was a similar idiosyncrasy.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I can't remember how many pages back but I believe the info came out of China and not Hong Kong, Taiwan or Japan so such info would need more verification. I thought when I saw it the story seemed to anecdotal and not verifiably. It was 42 days, in which I believe there are way too variables in that. I would consider it as an outlier at best, but a probability.
The 42 days was a woman in northern China. I suggest you Google it if you want more info.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I have just now caught up with reading what I missed overnight. A couple of pages back I reading something about the corona virus maybe having an incubation period of over 40 days. I didn't see anything about this up to that one post and I wonder if anyone can tell me where it was first mentioned/posted?

Could someone please tell me where it was first posted about the 42 day incubation period?


It originally came from the Global Times, a Chinese newspaper.

I posted it here:

This is what I posted:

This is a strange tweet. It comes from the Global Times so I consider it propaganda. And then I have to ask myself - why are they disseminating this information now? There are so many other explanations possible. Maybe she caught it from someone in Shanxi? Maybe she had a mild undiagnosed case a few weeks ago and this is a relapse? Maybe she had something in a suitcase that harbored the infection that she just happened to unpack now? Why assume she got it in Whuan and was incubating for 42 days? Unless she was quarantined all this time? Or is in a place where no one around her is sick and she's never left her apartment?

Once again, we're not getting enough information. Which goes back to my initial question - why release this now? What's in it for them to keep extending the quarantine period? Is this a weapon and are they learning more about how bad it can really get? (or are they afraid other countries will learn how bad it can get and they are trying to get ahead of it?)

Here's the tweet:

Global Times@globaltimesnews
7:48 PM · Feb 10, 2020

Incubation period of #nCoV may be longer than you expect. A woman in North China's Shanxi Province was diagnosed with #nCoV 42 days after returning from #Wuhan. #Cononavirus
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Dr. John Campbell thinks the extra long outliers on the incubation scale could be a reinfection from a mild case to a heavier one. For instance, infected shows symptoms at 3 days, over in ten. Reinfected with another 14 day cycle equaling 24.

I agree that is a possibilty. We just don't know at this time. We'll learn more if this becomes widespread in a modern western country that has accurate reporting and a reliable health agency to track the virus.

HD
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
The 42 days was a woman in northern China. I suggest you Google it if you want more info.
All I've been able to find is that she was *diagnosed* 42 days after leaving Wuhan. It's possible that she picked it up somewhere else, and possible that she had it long before she tested positive. One vague incident so different from others doesn't impress me without further details.
 
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1-12020

Senior Member
I follow the WHO on twitter.

They seem to be constantly congratulating themselves on how special they are.

I find their briefings irritating and lacking in real , down and dirty info.

They seem like a business only caring their own interest but pretending to care about you.

Constantly asking for money also makes me angry.



First - No harm to the messenger. Thanks for the post.

The WHO (World Health Organization), and their acolytes - deserve scorn, shunning, and, a short drop from a long rope.

Take the naming of this novel coronavirus. Covid-19.

Good Lord! Sound like the name out of a video game, sci-fi movie (helps if you say the name out loud with a low gravelly voice).

Seriously though - it was renamed to reclassify. Namely to dump pneumonia out of the classification. At least that's my limited understanding. Kinda like what the did with the flu. Now your case numbers drop. Kinda, because if I understand the flu def - it includes pneumonia. That's why the flu kills so many tens of thousands a year. Helps push vaccines to have that high number.

Whereas with Covid-19, if untested and you die of ARDS, your body will not be added to the CFR.

Numbers lie and LIARS figure.

Covid-19, also a household disinfectant. Covid-19, solving all of your pesky humanity problems.

BTW while venting - that cruise ship in Japan, Princess whatever? Y'all do realize there a good chance that'll turn into 1,000 people dying. Pretty serious stuff. Just what in blue blazes are these people running things thinking! Maybe they're running some lab test with 4,000 souls. That's giving them credit for playing with a very inscrutable full deck. Somebody at US State should have the Marines show up and escort our citizens off and into our quarantine at some nearby base. And - then they might have a better chance of surviving. If not, these people will be force fed Covid-19 (it's got RNA!), with meals, walks, air, and touchy goo.

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marsh

On TB every waking moment
Wow this is real. I thought it was a fake when I saw it previously

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more than a 1000 recent travellers told to self isolate for 14 days

#Coronavirus update: More deaths overnight in China and Los Angeles county telling more than 1000 people to self-quarantine after travelling to China recently. video https://mobile.twitter.com/fukushima...183953410?s=12

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1227657572183953410
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Chill, Ragnarok. Obviously I was not clear enough or you are a mite sensitive tonight.

I meant that someone will find something to be doomish about. For example, if its not hopping enough around here, someone will post something , even if its like a meteor that will hit the earth in the year 2032 (there really is a near earth event forecast but I can't remember the year) for us to gnaw on before we let ourselves be bored.

(Putting on my flame retardant clothing now. It's late, there's the meat world, the WuFlu, Democrats, I'm tired, and I'm not in a mood to be in a tiff with you or anyone else for that matter over a silly post. Flame away. :D)

I'm like a Gremlin... If I post after midnight, I can turn into a monster...

Problem is... It is ALWAYS after midnight.

Going back over my posts from last night... I was being an ass!

Geez...

My apologies to any and all I wronged...
 
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marsh

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CDC expects COVID-19 to take a 'foothold' in the U.S.
Officials optimistic virus spread may be slowing in China, globally
By
Brian P. Dunlevy
FEB. 12, 2020 / 3:08 PM

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A woman wears a face mask outside after the Michael Kors FW20 Runway Show on February 12, 2020, in New York City. Photo by John Angelillo/UPI


A woman wears a face mask outside after the Michael Kors FW20 Runway Show on February 12, 2020, in New York City. Photo by John Angelillo/UPI | License Photo

Feb. 12 (UPI) -- U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said Wednesday they expect the 2019 novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, outbreak to "take a foothold" in the United States before it is contained.

"At some point, we are likely to see community spread in the U.S. or in other countries," Nancy Messonnier, director of the agency's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a briefing with reporters. "This will trigger a change in our response strategy."

The response, to date, has included distribution of test kits capable of identifying COVID-19 to public health laboratories across the country, which began last week. In the near future, the CDC plans to update its guidance to healthcare workers on proper management of patients with the virus and coordinate with manufacturers of personal protective equipment, or PPE, including face masks and respirators, to address shortages.

At this point, the agency is still recommending against the use of face masks and respirators by the general public. The equipment should be reserved for healthcare personnel treating patients with COVID-19 and close contacts -- such as immediate family members -- of confirmed cases.

RELATED Study: COVID-19 may not be passed to child during pregnancy

Unfortunately, the rollout of the testing kits to labs nationwide hasn't gone as smoothly as planned, due to some unexpected problems with the assays used in the protocol. Messonnier acknowledged that some of the COVID-19 test kits have yielded "inconclusive" results during routine quality control checks at the individual facilities. The problems have not adversely affected testing of possible COVID-19 cases, and samples collected from people suspected of having the virus are still being sent to the CDC lab for confirmation and validation.

"Obviously, ideally, we'd want tests done as quickly as possible," she added. "But accuracy is more important."

The agency is currently re-evaluating the test kits and working with state labs to correct problems, Messonnier said.

She also confirmed that there were some errors involved during testing of the 13th confirmed case of the virus in the U.S., which was announced over the weekend. The case involves an American citizen evacuated from Hubei province on a State Department-chartered plane last week and placed on 14-day quarantine Marine Corp Air Station Miramar in California.

According to Messonnier, the blood and mucus samples collected from the patient were "misidentified" and thus not initially included among those "prioritized" for testing at the agency's lab in Atlanta. The error was spotted and the sample was subsequently tested and found to be positive for COVID-19, she added.

The patient was sent from Miramar to a local hospital in the San Diego area for evaluation, awaiting test results. However, according to San Diego County public health officials, he was initially sent back to the base because there was no positive test result.

When the sample was finally tested, he was returned to the hospital. He remained in isolation or quarantine throughout, health officials said.

The patient is currently in isolation at a California hospital and, to date, has only mild disease, Messonnier said.

In a briefing with reporters, she emphasized that the problems in the sample collection process that led to the confusion have been identified and steps have been taken -- including the implementation of additional quality controls -- to prevent similar errors from happening in the future. She did not elaborate on the specific steps.

Officials at the World Health Organization, meanwhile, said Wednesday they are cautiously optimistic the global COVID-19 outbreak may be contained by the spring. Michael Ryan, executive director of the WHO's health emergencies program said he would love to be able to predict the future, "but we need to be cautious."

Although he noted during a press briefing that the number of cases of COVID-19 in China, epicenter of the outbreak, appears to be stabilizing, "we're not going to talk about numbers or dates... It's way too early to predict the beginning the middle or the end of this epidemic."

If the end of the outbreak is in the offing, Messonnier said it was likely down to the "aggressive actions" -- including travel restrictions and quarantines -- taken by China, the U.S. and other affected countries.

Since the CDC implemented its screening protocols of travelers arriving from China at 11 U.S. airports in January, more than 30,000 people have been evaluated for COVID-19, with no new cases identified.

"We are seeing fewer and fewer travelers because of travel restrictions" implemented here and in China, Messonnier said.

Still, the agency is asking all travelers arriving from mainland China to effectively place themselves in quarantine at home -- and limit outside activities -- for a minimum of 14 days, while monitoring for symptoms of the virus.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
1000 deaths DO NOT make a pandemic. If it did, Islam would have been declared a viral pandemic on 911.
the numbers reported by China and worldwide can in no possible way justify a pandemic.
the numbers do not justify the quarantine of 50 million people, the lock down of 400 million, the shutdown of major sectors of the economy.

not in China. the US has 1/5 the population and had 50K flu deaths last year
50K in China would routine.

Wi' all due respect... islam IS a virus, stoppable only by either Jesus Christ, or death. They always choose death... Stupid, stupid, creatures...

OA
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Wow this is real. I thought it was a fake when I saw it previously

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California - More than a 1000 recent travellers in L.A. told to self isolate for 14 days
Today, 02:41 PM

more than a 1000 recent travellers told to self isolate for 14 days

#Coronavirus update: More deaths overnight in China and Los Angeles county telling more than 1000 people to self-quarantine after travelling to China recently. video https://mobile.twitter.com/fukushima...183953410?s=12

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1227657572183953410
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And there's the confirmation we were wondering about.
 

1-12020

Senior Member
OHHH CRAP.

Wow this is real. I thought it was a fake when I saw it previously

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California - More than a 1000 recent travellers in L.A. told to self isolate for 14 days
Today, 02:41 PM

more than a 1000 recent travellers told to self isolate for 14 days

#Coronavirus update: More deaths overnight in China and Los Angeles county telling more than 1000 people to self-quarantine after travelling to China recently. video https://mobile.twitter.com/fukushima...183953410?s=12

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1227657572183953410
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marsh

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Indonesia criticises US study expressing concerns why no Covid-19 cases
Wednesday, 12 Feb 2020 03:10 PM MYT
Indonesian Minister of Health Terawan Agus Putranto at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport in Tangerang, near Jakarta, Indonesia February 1, 2020. — Antara Foto/Muhammad Iqbal pic via Reuters
Indonesian Minister of Health Terawan Agus Putranto at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport in Tangerang, near Jakarta, Indonesia February 1, 2020. — Antara Foto/Muhammad Iqbal pic via Reuters

JAKARTA, Feb 12 — Indonesia has criticised a US study questioning why the world's fourth most populous nation had not yet recorded a case of coronavirus, calling the findings an insult and insisting it was on high alert.

The virus (Covid-19) has killed more than 1,100 people in China and spread to dozens of countries around the world — but the South-east Asian nation of more than 260 million has not reported a confirmed case since the outbreak.

A study by Harvard University public health researchers this week found Indonesia should have reported a coronavirus outbreak and could have undetected cases given its extensive air links to China and the city of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak.

Indonesian health minister Terawan Agus Putranto called the Harvard report “insulting” late yesterday and said the country had proper testing equipment.

“They can be baffled but it's a fact” there are no cases, he told reporters in Jakarta.

“I am just telling you like it is.

“Hopefully there won't be any cases and we will keep praying, but we're being vigilant at the highest level.”

The Harvard study also added that Indonesia's surveillance efforts should be “rapidly strengthened.”

The country — which attracts more than two million Chinese tourists a year and hosts thousands of guest workers — has shut down all flights to and from mainland China in response to virus fears.

And the government has said it tested dozens of suspected cases, but none were positive.
“The bottom line is that we're following international standards,” Putranto said.

“We're not hiding anything.”

The World Health Organisation said earlier this month it is particularly concerned about high-risk nations with weaker health systems, who may lack the facilities to identify cases.

More than a decade ago, Indonesia was hit hard by an avian influenza outbreak, but it avoided a more recent Zika virus outbreak unlike neighbouring Singapore, a health expert said.
“It's not the same in every country,” said Chairul Anwar Nidom, a biochemistry researcher at Indonesia's Airlangga University.

“Is it possible that Indonesia has coronavirus cases? of course... But it's also possible that it doesn't.” — AFP
 

20Gauge

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Indonesia criticises US study expressing concerns why no Covid-19 cases
Wednesday, 12 Feb 2020 03:10 PM MYT
Indonesian Minister of Health Terawan Agus Putranto at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport in Tangerang, near Jakarta, Indonesia February 1, 2020. — Antara Foto/Muhammad Iqbal pic via Reuters
Indonesian Minister of Health Terawan Agus Putranto at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport in Tangerang, near Jakarta, Indonesia February 1, 2020. — Antara Foto/Muhammad Iqbal pic via Reuters

JAKARTA, Feb 12 — Indonesia has criticised a US study questioning why the world's fourth most populous nation had not yet recorded a case of coronavirus, calling the findings an insult and insisting it was on high alert.

The virus (Covid-19) has killed more than 1,100 people in China and spread to dozens of countries around the world — but the South-east Asian nation of more than 260 million has not reported a confirmed case since the outbreak.

A study by Harvard University public health researchers this week found Indonesia should have reported a coronavirus outbreak and could have undetected cases given its extensive air links to China and the city of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak.

Indonesian health minister Terawan Agus Putranto called the Harvard report “insulting” late yesterday and said the country had proper testing equipment.

“They can be baffled but it's a fact” there are no cases, he told reporters in Jakarta.

“I am just telling you like it is.

“Hopefully there won't be any cases and we will keep praying, but we're being vigilant at the highest level.”

The Harvard study also added that Indonesia's surveillance efforts should be “rapidly strengthened.”

The country — which attracts more than two million Chinese tourists a year and hosts thousands of guest workers — has shut down all flights to and from mainland China in response to virus fears.

And the government has said it tested dozens of suspected cases, but none were positive.
“The bottom line is that we're following international standards,” Putranto said.

“We're not hiding anything.”

The World Health Organisation said earlier this month it is particularly concerned about high-risk nations with weaker health systems, who may lack the facilities to identify cases.

More than a decade ago, Indonesia was hit hard by an avian influenza outbreak, but it avoided a more recent Zika virus outbreak unlike neighbouring Singapore, a health expert said.
“It's not the same in every country,” said Chairul Anwar Nidom, a biochemistry researcher at Indonesia's Airlangga University.

“Is it possible that Indonesia has coronavirus cases? of course... But it's also possible that it doesn't.” — AFP
OK We now know what country is now going to explode with cases.
 
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