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northern watch

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Department of Health and Social Care‏Verified account @DHSCgovuk 4m4 minutes ago

Update on #coronavirus: A further patient in England has tested positive for novel coronavirus (COVID-19), bringing the total number of cases in the UK to nine. The individual acquired the virus in China. More information:
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cmo-for-england-announces-ninth-case-of-novel-coronavirus …
 

20Gauge

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EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 8m8 minutes ago

The world’s biggest phone show has been canceled due to coronavirus concerns
Not possible!!

China Authorities have allowed everything to open again..... except the welded shut doors of course.... and those who are still under quarantine........I guess it is effectively closed.... might as well make it official.
 
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20Gauge

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The Epoch Times - China Insider‏ @EpochTimesChina 2m2 minutes ago

“I’d be pretty confident though that eventually every country will have a case,” Fisher said. The #CoronavirusOutbreak may be peaking in #China but it is just beginning in the rest of the world and likely to spread, an expert on infectious diseases said.
It is not peaking in China...... they just stopped reporting.....
 

bw

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With three new coronavirus cases reported in Kerala, the state government declared on Monday the state specific disaster.
The decision was made in the Apex commit meeting of the state disaster management authority. As many as 84 people are known to have contact with the three in quarantine. The number of contacts grows everyday.

In about a month India will detonate.
 

OldArcher

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Have ta wonder... Those Georgia Guide Stones... They got anythin' ta do with this disaster? Seems like they'll get their dream/our nightmare come true...

OA
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
The womn
About 2 hours depending on the size of the body.
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The woman from one of the crematoriums in China said fifty minutes per, running ten at a time, as seven or eight furnaces are out of order. Working round the clock.
 

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How Xi Jinping’s “Controlocracy” Lost Control
Feb 10, 2020 Xiao Qiang

Although the global coronavirus epidemic has only recently made international headlines, some in China have known about it since the beginning of December. Thanks to Chinese President Xi Jinping's high-tech dictatorship, that information was not made public, and the virus was allowed to take off.
BERKELEY – In his 2016 book The Perfect Dictatorship: China in the 21st Century, Norwegian political scientist Stein Ringen describes contemporary China as a “controlocracy,” arguing that its system of government has been transformed into a new regime radically harder and more ideological than what came before. China’s “controlocracy” now bears primary responsibility for the coronavirus epidemic that is sweeping across that country and the world.

Chinese President Xi Jinping will meet the heads of state and government of the 27 EU member states at the EU-China summit in Leipzig in September. Europeans need to understand that they will hand him a much-needed political victory unless he is held accountable for his failure to uphold human rights, particularly in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Hong Kong.

Over the past eight years, the central leadership of the Communist Party of China has taken steps to bolster President Xi Jinping’s personal authority, as well as expanding the CPC’s own powers, at the expense of ministries and local and provincial governments. The central authorities have also waged a sustained crackdown on dissent, which has been felt across all domains of Chinese social and political life.
Under the controlocracy, websites have been shut down; lawyers, activists, and writers have been arrested; and a general chill has descended upon online expression and media reporting. Equally important, the system Xi has installed since 2012 is also driving the direction of new technologies in China. Cloud computing, big data, and artificial intelligence (AI) are all being deployed to strengthen the central government’s control over society.

The first coronavirus case appeared in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, on December 1, 2019, and, as early as the middle of the month, the Chinese authorities had evidence that the virus could be transmitted between humans. Nonetheless, the government did not officially acknowledge the epidemic on national television until January 20. During those seven weeks, Wuhan police punished eight health workers for attempting to sound the alarm on social media. They were accused of “spreading rumors” and disrupting “social order.”

Meanwhile, the Hubei regional government continued to conceal the real number of coronavirus cases until after local officials had met with the central government in mid-January. In the event, overbearing censorship and bureaucratic obfuscation had squandered any opportunity to get the virus under control before it had spread across Wuhan, a city of 11 million people. By January 23, when the government finally announced a quarantine on Wuhan residents, around five million people had already left the city, triggering the epidemic that is now spreading across China and the rest of the world.
When the true scale of the epidemic finally became clear, Chinese public opinion reflected a predictable mix of anger, anxiety, and despair. People took to the Internet to vent their rage and frustration. But it did not take long for the state to crack down, severely limiting the ability of journalists and concerned citizens to share information about the crisis.

Then, on February 3, after Xi had chaired the Standing Committee’s second meeting on the epidemic, the CPC’s propaganda apparatus was ordered to “guide public opinion and strengthen information control.” In practice, this means that cutting-edge AI and big-data technologies are being used to monitor the entirety of Chinese public opinion online. The controlocracy is now running at full throttle, with facial-, image-, and voice-recognition algorithms being used to anticipate and suppress any potential criticism of the government, and to squelch all “unofficial” information about the epidemic.

On February 7, Li Wenliang, one of the physician-whistleblowers who tried to sound the alarm about the outbreak, died of coronavirus, which unleashed a firestorm on social media. The Chinese public is already commemorating him as a hero and victim who tried to tell the truth. Millions have taken to social media to express their grief, and to demand an apology from the Chinese government and freedom of expression.

For the first time since coming to power, Xi’s high-tech censorship machine is meeting with intense resistance from millions of Chinese Internet users. The controlocracy is being put to the test. Most likely, though, the outbreak itself will be used to justify even more surveillance and control of the population.

Xi is an unabashed dictator. But his dictatorship is far from “perfect.” His obsessive need to control information has deprived Chinese citizens of their right to know what is happening in their communities, and potentially within their own bodies.

As of February 9, the outbreak has killed more than 900 people and infected another 40,000 in over 25 countries. For all its advanced digital technologies and extraordinary economic and military power, China is being governed as if it were a pre-modern autocracy. The Chinese people deserve better. Unfortunately, they and the rest of the world will continue to pay a high price for Xi’s hi-tech despotism.


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Xiao Qiang, Founder and Editor-in-Chief of China Digital Times, is a research scientist at the School of Information, University of California, Berkeley.
 

adgal

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A crematorium may have many ovens. I think one in Wuhan mentioned twenty.
I did marketing and PR for a large funeral home that had just added cremation to their services. They put in two ovens - one for people and one for a new pet service they were offering. Obviously, in the "people" oven they would only put one person at a time - then, once their cremated, they go through the cremains with a magnet to get any metal objects (fillings, etc...) and after that, the cremains are ground up, so they look like the fine particles that go into urns. On the pet side of things, you could pay to have your pet cremated individually - which would cost more. Or, you could do a group cremation and the ashes you got could contain other pets. They could fill the pet cremation oven to the brink and it would work just fine. So, what I'm saying is - considering what's being done in China - I'm guessing it's not just one body at a time.
 

Binkerthebear

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The Epoch Times - China Insider‏ @EpochTimesChina 2m2 minutes ago

“I’d be pretty confident though that eventually every country will have a case,” Fisher said. The #CoronavirusOutbreak may be peaking in #China but it is just beginning in the rest of the world and likely to spread, an expert on infectious diseases said.
And I bet it will definitely have peaked there (when it hits here big time) because they (CCP & WHO) will “say” it has peaked there.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Whacagonnado? Leave th' corpses layin' aroun'? Good thinkin', Brainiac...

OA
I've seen the one video of the three walking down the street before. The shooting did not appear to be noticeable by anyone in the videos. I think it's a doctored video. Fake, not that it could'nt be happening.
 

bcingu

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CDC CORONAVIRUS TEST KITS MAY BE FAULTY

it’s unclear whether the swab tests used in China are the same ones being sent out by the CDC



Florida health officials received testing kits for novel coronavirus earlier this week but can’t use them yet because it’s unclear whether the tests are working.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday morning said issues with the tests the agency has developed for the respiratory illness spreading rapidly through China surfaced after they were sent out to state labs.
After state labs receive testing kits from the CDC, they must verify their accuracy, but the labs flagged “inconclusive results,” or returns that were neither positive nor negative, CDC officials said on a call with journalists Wednesday.

Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said federal officials believe the issue stems from one substance used in the test that “wasn’t performing consistently.” She said the federal agency was re-manufacturing that agent to try to correct the problem.

“Obviously, a state wouldn’t want to be using this test and using it to make clinical decisions if it isn’t working as well at the state as it is at CDC,” Messonnier said.

As of Tuesday, there were more than 43,000 global cases of the virus, now known as COVID-19 — about 42,700 of them in China — and more than 1,000 deaths, with all but one of the fatalities in China. The CDC confirmed one additional U.S. case of COVID-19 on Wednesday, bringing the total number of cases in the U.S. to 13.
It’s not yet clear which states would need additional testing kits, but Florida may be among them. State officials on Tuesday evening said they received the testing kits at all three of their labs, including one in Miami, but were told by the CDC to hold off on using them until questions over their accuracy are resolved.
The Florida Department of Health is currently sending specimens to a CDC lab in Atlanta and waiting for results, which can take three to five days. That lab is handling specimens from across the country.
The state health department has so far not shared information about how many people in Florida have been tested and how long it has had to wait for results. The agency reiterated on Tuesday that so far there are no confirmed cases in Florida. Experts believe the disease is spread from person to person, but questions remain about the incubation period — when patients show no symptoms but may still be contagious.
The kits sent to state labs can each be used to test hundreds of samples. Messonnier said on Wednesday that the state labs do not use actual specimens suspected of containing the virus in evaluating the testing kits.

At a U.S. Senate committee hearing Wednesday addressing the threat of global pandemics, former federal health officials said they are concerned about how long it has been taking to test for local novel coronavirus cases, adding that state health departments should not be relying on sending specimens to federal labs and waiting days for the results to come back.
Ideally, federal officials would be able to ship portable test kits to U.S. hospitals and physicians, said Scott Gottlieb, who was the Food and Drug Administration commissioner from 2017-2019.
“We should be trying to find it in the community,” Gottlieb said, at the hearing held by the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. “That’s how we’re going to spot small outbreaks and prevent them from becoming larger outbreaks.”
Gottlieb said he anticipated those small outbreaks would start to surface in the U.S. in the next two to four weeks. Federal health officials, he said, should be monitoring cities and neighborhoods with large immigrant populations.
Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council from 2017-2019, said it was important to have faith in the portable testing kits before they could be relied upon in a public health emergency. She highlighted concern about the accuracy of certain swab tests being used in China — it’s unclear whether the swab tests used in China are the same ones being sent out by the CDC — and the preparedness of the U.S. healthcare system’s ability to take care of patients when more cases surface

“We have to assume that we’re going to see a lot more cases here,” Borio said.
At the hearing, Florida Republican Sen. Rick Scott said his biggest concern is a lack of FDA inspectors in China to monitor the quality of medications being manufactured there and distributed around the world. The federal agency announced this week that it suspended inspections of Chinese drug manufacturing facilities due to the outbreak.
“That’s concerning because then we have a lot of things coming to our country that are not being inspected,” Scott said. “When you hear something like that, that we don’t have inspectors there, what risk are we taking? They ought to tell us So then as a consumer you can say, ‘I don’t want to buy that product right now because it’s not being inspected.’”
No current federal health officials spoke at the hearing on U.S. preparedness for global pandemics, hosted by the Senate’s Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee. U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat, raised that fact, and said she was told that the CDC would have had to prepare talking points, which she said was not a sufficient explanation.
“The American people deserve them to be here this morning,” Harris said.
Miami Herald staff writer Alex Daugherty contributed to this report.

Miami Herald
 
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Momof5

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I was listening to Sirius/XM radio a couple of hours ago and the DJ came on and mentioned something about how the CDC considers the coronavirus "a grave threat to the world's health", and that basically we should keep an eye on it. I was only half listening until she said the part about the CDC - that's when my ears perked up. I was stunned to say the least. Stunned that she even mentioned it on something with a more-than nationwide audience. I have no idea who the DJ was but I'm pretty sure it was on the channel "Classic Rewind" - classic rock.

The herd is starting to move. If you haven't gotten your "stuff", get it soon.
When my mom and another friend start wanting to stock up it makes me pretty nervous. Two of the most unwoo people I know. And they are telling me they need to get extra heart medication and insulin, etc, in case we get quarantined. It really floored me.
 

Pinecone

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I'm wondering what type of fuel they are using and how much of a supply they have to keep those crematoriums running, although with the factories shut down there should be ample fuel of whatever type. What happens when anything in that supply chain breaks - either the ovens or supply lines?
 

Leigh19717

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhQ8zQyJw0Q


Although this is a live stream - section of is coverage of senate coronavirus roundtable.

You'll have to slide around to 11:10 EST or so. Interesting!

Looking to plan/prepare worst case for hundreds of thousands cases.

Strategic stockpile - resupply marginal after exhausted.

Seasonal temps may not help - Singapore example.

Examples clusters in France, cruise ship - modeling R0, virulence.

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What stood out to me was they said they couldn’t say if warm weather would stop this. In Singapore it’s warm and in Wuhan it’s 60 degrees and see what’s happening there. As well as the 1918 didn’t just happen during cold months.
 

OldArcher

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I'm wondering what type of fuel they are using and how much of a supply they have to keep those crematoriums running, although with the factories shut down there should be ample fuel of whatever type. What happens when anything in that supply chain breaks - either the ovens or supply lines?

Easy. The people break, an' all Hell breaks with 'em...

OA
 

biere

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Just thinking out loud here. No expert. But china has a lot of our scrap metal still and factories all over the place. If china needs something made I expect em to have things made even if they have to point guns at the workers.

China is currently in an interesting position and the sell out of the USA puts us in a really precarious position. I remember junk yards of old being crushed by mobile crushing semi trucks and everything was said to have been bought and paid for by china and being sent to china. Obviously some company did the buying and what not, but china this and china that is what I recall.
 

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