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That Scripture is Isaiah Chapter 13 verse 12.
I won’t quote it. The whole Isaiah Chapter 13 is too scary to quote,
It is a prophecy, I hope it is not for our time.

No thread drift but...

You... won't... quote... God's Word...

:rolleyes:

Allow me...

1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

When did fear of posting God's own Word become a point of view on this board?!?!
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Countrymouse

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HOOOOLY SHIITE!!!!

If that is accurate... Worst case scenario predictions are likely.


From your link:

We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective

and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.


Um---WHAT, exactly, is "earlier" and "STRONGER" than QUARANTINING those who have it--or MAY have it?


Just kill them?


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Nearly 200 Georgia residents are quarantined in their homes after returning from recent trips to China, where a deadly new coronavirus has sickened more than 40,000 people.

So far, Georgia authorities said Tuesday, none of the Georgia residents has shown symptoms of the virus. And none visited China’s Hubei province, the epicenter of coronavirus outbreak. They are sequestered because they traveled to other parts of that country, where the virus is also spreading rapidly.

Georgia authorities were avoiding using the word quarantine, saying instead that people are being isolated in their homes for 14 days, the illness’ incubation period. However, the term is used in a February 2 directive from the Trump administration that calls for U.S. citizens returning home from visits to the Hubei province to be quarantined and those returning from other parts to China to undergo “proactive entry screening” and up to 14 days of monitoring and self-quarantine.

In China, more than 1,000 people have died of the virus. There has been one death outside of that country, but 393 people in 24 nations have fallen ill, according to the World Health Organization.


The outbreak started in December as a cluster of pneumonia-like cases linked to a live animal and seafood market in Wuhan, an industrial city of 11 million people. Since then, the number of diagnoses has been soaring. A global public health emergency was declared last month.

Thirteen cases have been confirmed in the United States, none in Georgia.

However, Reuters reported Tuesday that an Atlanta couple, identified as Renee and Clyde Smith, tested positive for the coronavirus and are hospitalized in Japan. The Smith were passengers — along with at least two family members — aboard a cruise ship that has been tied up at the quay in Yokohama south of Tokyo for nearly a week, the news service reported.

Georgia Department of Public Health epidemiologist Cherie Drenzek said U.S. Customs and Border Protection started reviewing airline passengers’ itineraries and passports after the travel restrictions were instituted earlier this month. All commercial passenger flights between Atlanta and China have been temporarily suspended. But the federal agency is providing the Georgia Department of Public Health with the names of state residents who have recently traveled to China, but flew back to the U.S. from other countries, such as Germany or England.

Georgia health officials have been calling each traveler to discuss the required, 14-day period of staying home and stressed the importance of notifying authorities of any potential symptoms of the virus. Those under quarantine were all given an online tool that tracks their time in isolation and notifies them when the required confinement time is over.

If any of them show symptoms or test positive for the coronavirus, they will be immediately hospitalized in a special, quarantined area, public health officials said.

MORE: Atlanta’s Chinese community has especially deep worry about coronavirus

Local experts say Georgia’s screening, training and preparations to treat emerging diseases are better than ever, driven by concerns about infections, such as Ebola and SARS, another coronavirus.

Dr. Aneesh Mehta, an associate professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University School of Medicine, pointed to three principles — identifying those who might have been exposed to viruses, isolating them, and informing medical staff and other health officials.

Late last year, health care organizations and officials across seven Southeastern states conducted training exercises on how to deal with a U.S. outbreak of Ebola, a disease that appears to have a much higher mortality rate than the latest coronavirus, said Curtis Harris, the director of the University of Georgia’s Institute for Disaster Management.

Georgia hospitals and other health care facilities have developed plans to accommodate sudden increases in the number of patients seeking care, he said. In some cases, they could put more than one patient in otherwise private hospital rooms or convert offices into treatment space.

Emory and other hospitals didn’t want to discuss their specific plans in place

 

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Dr. Angela Rasmussen
@angie_rasmussen


People are still freaking out over "asymptomatic" patients, so here's some info on virus incubation, symptoms, and lab confirmation of #nCoV2019 #coronavirus tests. It's not unusual for patients to test negative (for this or any other virus) in the early days after infection

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When a virus infects a cell, it takes time to replicate itself inside that cell and produce new virus particles. The period of time when a virus is replicating but hasn't yet begun producing new virus particles (called virions) is called the eclipse


During the eclipse phase, viral RNA (the genetic material of the virus) and proteins are produced in cells. Proteins are involved in replicating the virus, hijacking host cell functions, evading immunity, and making the virus "shell" (capsid/structural proteins)

Viral RNA is packaged into the capsids and the virus particles are released from the cell. They go on to infect other cells nearby and the process repeats, resulting in exponential increases in the amount of virus (called titer)

Current virus testing technology (qRT-PCR) detects viral RNA. These tests are sensitive, but there's a limit of detection. qRT-PCR can only detect virus if there are sufficient viral titers. Early in infection, there may not be enough RNA to reliably detect this.

Also, cells in the human respiratory tract are highly structured. There are different kinds of cells that are organized into tissues. Not all of these cells are susceptible to infection, and certain cell types may produce more virus than others.
There are also natural barriers, such as mucus, that trap viruses and prevent them from infecting cells. So it can take time to achieve detectable virus titers. That time depends on a whole lot of variables.


Infectious dose, mode of transmission, viral genetics, viral fitness, host genetics, host cell receptor expression, antiviral response, amount of mucus, other underlying conditions, sampling procedure--these can all impact titer and hence the time it takes to detect infection

Note I haven't even mentioned symptoms. That's because symptoms are largely due to the host response to infection, rather than the infection itself (S/O to host responses, that's what I study!).

For coronaviruses, symptoms are generally the result of host cells (either infected cells or other immune cells nearby) detecting that infection and triggering antiviral responses. This process is complicated and plays out differently in every infected host.

It's kind of like a football game. There are different specialized players on each side and different coaching strategies. Sometimes the host keeps the virus in check, sometimes the other way around.

But when a virus is able to spread--for example, to the lower respiratory tract--then the host response also is more widespread. That response to viruses includes inflammation. Localized, controlled inflammation is good--it's needed for immune function to clear virus

More widespread, uncontrolled inflammation is bad. That's how a patient gets pneumonia. When this happens, a patient is definitely symptomatic. These patients have plenty of detectable virus.

However, a patient who is asymptomatic but still infected might not. If a patient controls the infection locally, they might not be shedding tons of detectable virus. They might still be capable of transmitting virus, albeit less capable than a patient who is very sick.

Similarly, a patient in the very early stages of infection may test negative because virus titers have not yet met the threshold for detection, regardless of the eventual severity of disease. In both situations, it is not unexpected to have a negative nasal swab test.

The important things to note are that "OMG this patient is asymptomatic" or "OMG this patient tested negative and later tested positive" are not abnormal. These are fully consistent with how viruses replicate, spread, and cause disease.


Asymptomatic patients generally don't transmit virus as efficiently, because they have lower virus titers and because they aren't experiencing clinical features that encourage virus spread (coughing, sneezing, excess mucus production)

And patients with negative test results early in infection may likewise be capable of spreading virus, but are also less likely to do so because they aren't shedding very much virus. This is expected. It's just viruses doing what viruses do.

So I wish the media and some scientists would cut out all the Typhoid Mary hysteria. #nCoV2019 #coronavirus spread is not some aberration or a silent epidemic in which we'll all only find out we're doomed once it's too late.

We need to focus on improving testing, treating patients, and our fundamental understanding of virus pathogenesis (again, s/o to the host response!). The misdirected focus is harming our ability to adequately contain spread and is responsible for some truly shitty policy choices

The cruise ship sitch, involuntary quarantines and travel bans, confusing diagnostic criteria, criminalized epidemiology...these are all further complicating an already complex situation by fixating on this asymptomatic transmission issue, which, again, is just viruses virusing.

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Dr. Angela Rasmussen
@angie_rasmussen


Virologist at Columbia University. All about the host response to emerging pathogens and systems-level mind-blowing. And pugs. 1X Jeopardy! loser.
 

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Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing 4m4 minutes ago

I didn’t dare say this aloud before - but other experts now say the #COVID19 “epidemic could spread to about two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to HK’s leading public health epidemiologist”. Is that kinda pandemic?
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Coronavirus 'could infect 60% of global population if unchecked'
Exclusive: Public health epidemiologist says other countries should consider adopting China-style containment measures

Sarah Boseley Health editor
Tue 11 Feb 2020 04.47 EST | First published on Tue 11 Feb 2020 01.00 EST

The coronavirus epidemic could spread to about two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist.

His warning came after the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said recent cases of coronavirus patients who had never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg”.

Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva on Tuesday.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive.

He will tell the WHO meeting that the main issue is the scale of the growing worldwide epidemic and the second priority is to find out whether the drastic measures taken by China to prevent the spread have worked – because if so, other countries should think about adopting them.

The Geneva meeting brings together more than 400 researchers and national authorities, including some participating by video conference from mainland China and Taiwan. “With 99% of cases in China, this remains very much an emergency for that country, but one that holds a very grave threat for the rest of the world,” the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in his opening remarks. To date China has reported 42,708 confirmed cases, including 1,017 deaths, Tedros said.

Leung – one of the world’s experts on coronavirus epidemics, who played a major role in the Sars outbreak in 2002-03 – works closely with other leading scientists such as counterparts at Imperial College London and Oxford University.

At the end of January, he warned in a paper in the Lancet that outbreaks were likely to be “growing exponentially” in cities in China, lagging just one to two weeks behind Wuhan. Elsewhere, “independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable” because of the substantial movement of people who were infected but had not yet developed symptoms, and the absence of public health measures to stop the spread.

Epidemiologists and modellers were trying to figure out what was likely to happen, said Leung. “Is 60-80% of the world’s population going to get infected? Maybe not. Maybe this will come in waves. Maybe the virus is going to attenuate its lethality because it certainly doesn’t help it if it kills everybody in its path, because it will get killed as well,” he said.

Experts also need to know whether the restrictions in the centre of Wuhan and other cities have reduced infections. “Have these massive public health interventions, social distancing, and mobility restrictions worked in China?” he asked. “If so, how can we roll them out, or is it not possible?”

There would be difficulties. “Let’s assume that they have worked. But how long can you close schools for? How long can you lock down an entire city for? How long can you keep people away from shopping malls? And if you remove those [restrictions], then is it all going to come right back and rage again? So those are very real questions,” he said.

If China’s lockdown has not worked, there is another unpalatable truth to face: that the coronavirus might not be possible to contain. Then the world will have to switch tracks: instead of trying to contain the virus, it will have to work to mitigate its effects.

For now, containment measures are essential. Leung said the period of time when people were infected but showed no symptoms remained a huge problem. Quarantine was necessary, but to ensure people were not still carrying the virus when they left, everybody should ideally be tested every couple of days. If anyone within a quarantine camp or on a stricken cruise ship tested positive, the clock should be reset to 14 days more for all the others.

Some countries at risk because of the movement of people to and from China have taken precautions. On a visit to Thailand three weeks ago, Leung talked to the health minister and advised the setting up of quarantine camps, which the government has done. But other countries with links to China appear, inexplicably, to have no cases – such as Indonesia. “Where are they?” he asked.

Scientists still do not know for sure whether transmission is through droplets from coughs or possibly airborne particles. “It’s rather difficult to do that kind of careful detailed work when everything is raging. And unless it is raging you are unlikely to get enough confirmed cases,” he said. “In Sars we never had the chance to do these kinds of studies.”

Hong Kong, which has 36 confirmed cases of coronavirus, was in the worst possible set of circumstances for fighting a raging epidemic, said Leung.

“You need extra trust, extra sense of solidarity, extra sense of goodwill, all of which have been completely used up – every last drop in that social capital fuel tank has been exhausted after now eight months of social unrest, so it couldn’t have come at a worse time,” he said.
 

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I'm sure it's on here somewhere and I overlooked it, but, how many are recovering from it and being released from the hospital? How long are they sick for? It's bothering me that I'm missing this. And I'm wondering if you can be reinfected.

These are the numbers are coming from China today:


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China sees rising recovery rate of COVID-19 patients
Xinhua February 12 , 2020

The proportion of patients who recovered from the novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) in China had increased to 10.6 percent on Tuesday from the lowest 1.3 percent on Jan. 27, Mi Feng, an official with the National Health Commission, said Wednesday.

The number of cured patients had seen relatively rapid growth, and the epidemic situation also had some positive changes in general due to the country's reinforced measures against the virus, Mi said at a press conference in Beijing.

As of Tuesday, a total of 4,740 people had been discharged from hospitals after recovery.
 

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Coronavirus likely now ‘gathering steam’
Leaky international cordon may mean equivalent of worst flu season in modern times
By Alvin Powell Harvard Staff Writer
February 11, 2020

The number of confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus have continued to surge inside China, sickening tens of thousands, with a death toll of more than 1,000. But outside the Asian giant the numbers remain a fraction of that, a trend Harvard’s Marc Lipsitch views with suspicion. Lipsitch thinks it is just a matter of time before the virus spreads widely internationally, which means nations so far only lightly hit should prepare for its eventual arrival in force and what may seem like the worst flu season in modern times. Lipsitch, professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and head of the School’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, talked to the Gazette about recent developments in the outbreak and provided a look ahead.


GAZETTE: We spoke about the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak about a week and a half ago. What do we know now that we didn’t know then?

LIPSITCH: We know that the spread is even greater than it was then. It was likely then that it would spread more widely, but there was still hope for containment. I think now that it’s in more countries — even Singapore, which is really good at tracing cases, has found some cases that aren’t linked to previous known cases — it’s clear that there are probably many cases in countries where we haven’t yet found them. This is really a global problem that’s not going to go away in a week or two.

GAZETTE: You indicated that the rapid increase in cases was largely due to existing cases that hadn’t been diagnosed rather than new infections. Is that still your sense, or is some of the daily increase in cases due to new transmission?

LIPSITCH: It’s clearly partly due to new transmission — and it was partly due to new transmission then. Separating out reporting delays from new transmission is hard, but over the last few days, it appears that the rate of increase in new cases in China has slowed relative to the exponential growth we saw before. Some people are cautiously hopeful that that’s due to the success of control measures rather than the inability to count many cases. I think that’s possible, since the control measures have been rather extreme in some places. So, now the question is whether these control measures are working or whether we’re mostly seeing a saturation in their ability to test thousands of cases.

GAZETTE: When we talk about control measures, I think the one that’s most obvious to people who are following this are the quarantines. Are there other things going on that are also important?

LIPSITCH: For the cutting off of Wuhan, cordon sanitaire is probably a better word for it because the movement restrictions apply to everybody, not just the exposed people. They’re not exactly quarantined. Then there’s the quarantine of people who are sick and may or may not have the coronavirus, along with the isolation of people who have the coronavirus. All of that may be helping. We’ve had some concerns based on news reports that the way they’re doing the bulk quarantine and isolation of cases could be harmful in China, but it’s very hard to get a clear answer on what exactly is being done. The early reports said that they were taking people who were confirmed corona cases and putting them together in mass quarters with people who were not confirmed as corona but might have a fever or respiratory symptoms. If that was true, that could spread the virus further. Since then, I’ve heard a number of times that that’s not actually true. So I don’t know what to think of that. It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing a responsible public health agency would do.

GAZETTE: Has it become apparent that the virus is either easier to transmit or more deadly than previously thought? Or are these increasing case and fatality numbers in line with what our thinking was a week ago?

LIPSITCH: The ease of transmission is still being confirmed. In terms of the so-called “R-nought,” or how many secondary cases a single case infects, experts’ assessment is getting tighter around a level of transmissibility that’s perhaps lower than SARS, which was about 3 and higher than pandemic flu, which can be up to about 2. But what makes this one perhaps harder to control than SARS is that it may be possible to transmit before you are sick, or before you are very sick — so it’s hard to block transmission by just isolating confirmed cases.

GAZETTE: Is that the most concerning new information, that it might be transmissible before symptoms are apparent? That would seem to make this a lot trickier.

LIPSITCH: Yes. I think that’s the most concerning piece, but the evidence for that so far in the public domain is pretty limited. I’ve seen hints that aren’t published yet, but the evidence for that that’s been peer reviewed is quite limited. On severity, estimates are that it’s worse than seasonal flu, where about one in 1,000 infected cases die, and it’s not as bad as SARS, where 8 or 9 percent of infected cases died. I’ve been working with some colleagues on estimates. They’re preliminary still but bounded by those two. That’s a large range, however, so the important question is where the final figure ends up, because 3 or 4 percent of cases dying would be much more worrisome than 0.4 percent.

GAZETTE: Is it significant that there are so few cases internationally compared with the number in China? Is that an indication that control measures are working or is it just gathering steam internationally?

LIPSITCH: Unfortunately, I think it’s more likely to be that it’s gathering steam. We’ve released a preprint that we’ve been discussing publicly — and trying to get peer reviewed in the meantime — that looks at the numbers internationally, based on how many cases you would expect from normal travel volumes. And a couple of things are striking. One is that there are countries that really should be finding cases and haven’t yet, like Indonesia and maybe Cambodia. They are outside the range of uncertainty you would expect even given variability between countries. So our best guess is that there are undetected cases in those countries. Indonesia said a couple of days ago that it had done 50 tests, but it has a lot of air travel with Wuhan, let alone the rest of China. So 50 tests is not enough to be confident you’re catching all the cases. That’s one bit of evidence that to me was really striking. Second, I was reading The Wall Street Journal that Singapore had three cases so far that were not traced to any other case. Singapore is the opposite of Indonesia, in that they have more cases than you would expect based on their travel volume, probably because they’re better at detection. And even they are finding cases that they don’t have a source for. That makes me think that many other places do as well. Of course, we’re making guesses from limited information, but I think they’re pretty likely to be correct guesses, given the totality of information.

GAZETTE: People have said a vaccine is probably at least a year away. Do you have a sense that this is going to need a vaccine to finally bring it under control?

LIPSITCH: That seems like the scenario which is most plausible to me right now. Vaccine efforts are very much needed, but I think we should be clear that they won’t necessarily succeed. There’s a lot of effort being put into them, but not every disease has a vaccine. [Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said Tuesday that a vaccine could be ready in 18 months, according to CNN.]

GAZETTE: But what is most important for the public to know about this?

LIPSITCH: There’s likely to be a period of widespread transmission in the U.S., and I hope we will avert the kind of chaos that some other places are seeing. That’s likely if we continue to be prepared, but I think it’s going to be a new virus that we have to deal with. That won’t be because the United States government has failed to contain it, it will mean that this is an uncontainable virus. If we’re dealing with it, it’s because everybody’s going to be dealing with it. I think that’s a likely scenario.

GAZETTE: From a treatment standpoint, it seems there are a lot of mild cases and then fewer serious cases that need respiratory support. Should hospitals and the medical establishment start thinking about capacity-building now?

LIPSITCH: To the extent that’s possible, yes, but I don’t know how flexible that capacity is. I think we should be prepared for the equivalent of a very, very bad flu season, or maybe the worst-ever flu season in modern times, since we’ve had ventilators and been able to provide intensive respiratory support. And it might not be real flu “season” because the annual flu season is already passing. One question I’ve gotten a lot is whether it will go away in warmer weather, like SARS did. I’m not at all convinced that SARS went away because of the warmer weather. I think it went away because people got it under control in May and June. But there is some evidence — and we’re working on quantifying it — that coronaviruses do transmit less efficiently in the warmer weather. So it’s possible that we will get some help from that, but I don’t think that will solve the problem, as evidenced by the fact that there’s transmission in Singapore, on the equator.

GAZETTE: Once people get this and recover, do we know whether they will have immunity?

LIPSITCH: That is a very important question, but we don’t know the answer yet because it’s been too short a time. The evidence from other coronaviruses is that there is some immunity but it doesn’t last for long. Immunity to the seasonal coronaviruses lasts for maybe a couple of years, and then you can get reinfected. There’s a further question of whether that’s because the virus is changing or because your immunity is not very durable. Given that it’s a new virus, we can’t say anything with certainty, but it would be reasonable to expect immunity to be somewhat short-lived, meaning a couple of years, rather than lifelong.

GAZETTE: So without a vaccine, you may have a respite for a year or two but then you may get it again?

LIPSITCH: Yes, and that is a bit like the flu, although typically people get the flu every five or six years.
 

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10:46 AM · Feb 11, 2020

China's top medical adviser on coronavirus says he expects the outbreak will peak this month and the event "may be over in something like April" - Reuters

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10:03 PM · Feb 11, 2020

Australia's chief medical officer Brendan Murphy was asked about this and said: "I think it's far too premature to say that" - REU
 

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There are growing concerns in metro Atlanta’s Chinese-American community about the risk of coronavirus being carried by people who may have visited China recently, though there have yet to be any confirmed cases in Georgia. Weekend language classes of the Atlanta Contemporary Chinese Academy are still being held in East Cobb. But Principal Jue Li (left) and board member Ming Hua said they have added new safety measures. Classes at two other ACCA locations have temporarily shifted to be online only. MATT KEMPNER / AJC
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Atlanta’s Chinese community has especially deep worry about coronavirus
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Feb 10, 2020
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Organizers have temporarily shut down some weekend Chinese language classes and moved them online for hundreds of children in metro Atlanta.

At several local Asian restaurants and groceries, customers have noticed fewer patrons than normal. And Chinese American coordinators have canceled or indefinitely postponed some community events.
Worries about the international coronavirus outbreak are widespread. But in metro Atlanta, nearly 8,000 miles from Wuhan, China, where the virus was first detected, Chinese-born immigrants and their families have been particularly rattled about the chances of encountering travelers who may have been in China recently and could have been exposed to the virus.
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There have been no confirmed cases of the virus in Georgia, and only a dozen in the United States. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the immediate health risk is low for the general American public. Yet there is worry.
Local Chinese Americans describe a new calculus of risk and emotion at play in their communities. Wear a mask in public? Avoid certain restaurants? Allow the kids to go to birthday parties?
More than 27,000 people in metro Atlanta were born in mainland China, according to federal figures. Some have closely followed news and messages from friends and family in that country, where the toll has been far greater.
Chinese language classes are still being held weekly in East Cobb. Students are squirted with hand sanitizer before entering classrooms. Teachers ask whether they have anyone in their homes who has traveled to China recently. Most haven’t. Those who have are told to stay away for two weeks. Still, that hasn’t eliminated concerns.
On a recent Sunday, more than a third of the enrolled students were no shows. And two sister campuses of the Atlanta Contemporary Chinese Academy in DeKalb and north Fulton counties shifted all classes online for hundreds of weekend students.

“Some people in the Chinese community might be on panic mode,” said Su Su, a Chinese-born East Cobb parent who, years ago, attended Wuhan University and now is a political science professor at the University of South Carolina.
She said she doesn’t feel panic herself, but social media has crackled with talk about the coronavirus, some of it true and some perhaps not, she said. “A rumor has its own magical power.”
While she said she is very comfortable being around other Chinese Americans she knows, she is careful about broader interactions.
She said she has imposed a rule on her family to temporarily avoid some Asian businesses, including grocers.

They have reduced their visits to some Chinese restaurants for now, Su said. And she said she limits which birthday parties her kids can attend. “It’s a tough decision because it hurts friendships.”
Others don’t go that far. Ming Hua, who serves on a campus board for the Atlanta Contemporary Chinese Academy, said he believes few families locally have been to China in recent weeks or hosted visitors from there. He said he sees avoiding Chinese businesses as an overreaction.
Azure Duane, who grew up in China and performs acupuncture locally, said one of her kids has been particularly concerned about coronavirus and recently refused to go to an after-hours public school gathering because of it. But she volunteered at the same event and continues to patronize Chinese businesses.
Her family is sticking with the basics she stressed long before the coronavirus outbreak: wash your hands often, get plenty of sleep, drink lots of water, eat foods rich in Vitamin C.
In Chinese cultures, there’s always an emphasis on avoiding contagious diseases and staying healthy, said Bing Zeng, who chairs the Atlanta-based Association of Chinese Professionals.
But this year, concerns about the flu season were compounded by worries about the coronavirus, she said. Community leaders have advised against big public gatherings.
“Just to play it safe,” Zeng said, the ACP decided to postpone last week’s scheduled 20th anniversary of its big spring show celebrating the Chinese New Year.
Nearly 800 people had been expected at the Infinite Energy Center event in Gwinnett County. Many of the scheduled performers are based in China, but were being discouraged from traveling, Zeng said. Ticket prices will be refunded, she said. No new date has been set yet for the show.
Some other local events tied to the Chinese New Year were also put off, including annual gatherings typically held in local restaurants.
Jian Leung said he’s seen far fewer diners than normal at the Oriental Pearl restaurant he co-owns in the Chinatown shopping center in Chamblee. Both Chinese and non-Chinese patrons have stayed away, he said, because of broad fears about coronavirus.
“People won’t come out to eat,” Leung said. “Everything is crazy.”
At a nearby Chinese grocery, an Asian American man, who gave only one name, Yong, wore what looked like a surgical mask while shopping. He said he is avoiding any Asian restaurants for the time being.
On a recent afternoon in Duluth, most shoppers were maskless while strolling the aisles at the Great Wall Supermarket, a grocery store chain.
But Jing Chun said she regretted not having a mask handy for the visit. Chun, a nurse, said friends have talked about eating at Korean restaurants instead of Chinese ones because of the coronavirus.
Sadi Balgobin, who isn’t from China, loaded up on fruits and vegetables at Great Wall, a regular stop for her. But she said she was careful to only select produce grown in the United States.
Meanwhile, several local Chinese Americans interviewed said they haven’t witnessed any increase in bias against Chinese Americans since the virus’ outbreak
 
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marsh

On TB every waking moment
These are the numbers are coming from China today:


(fair use applies)

China sees rising recovery rate of COVID-19 patients
Xinhua February 12 , 2020

The proportion of patients who recovered from the novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) in China had increased to 10.6 percent on Tuesday from the lowest 1.3 percent on Jan. 27, Mi Feng, an official with the National Health Commission, said Wednesday.

The number of cured patients had seen relatively rapid growth, and the epidemic situation also had some positive changes in general due to the country's reinforced measures against the virus, Mi said at a press conference in Beijing.

As of Tuesday, a total of 4,740 people had been discharged from hospitals after recovery.
Dr. John Campbell thinks the extra long outliers on the incubation scale could be a reinfection from a mild case to a heavier one. For instance, infected shows symptoms at 3 days, over in ten. Reinfected with another 14 day cycle equaling 24.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
NHK JAPAN NEWS,( tv) a minute ago. Diamond Princess now has another 39 infected passengers (one a teenager) bringing the total infected to 174 one of which is the quarantine officer. He only had a mask and gloves, no eye protection, no special ppd Protective "suit".
now, an hour later, they say 5 people are in serious condition.

(the only problem I see is that the Chinese are probably USING AT LEAST, 50-100 MILLION MASKS A DAY!)
 
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TxGal

Day by day
So, if the incubation period could be over 40 days, and those infected could be non-symptomatic during that time - how many days (months) would people now have to consider self-quarantining to limit exposure to the virus?

To quote the movie 'Jaws' - I think we're gonna need a bigger boat.

Perhaps we all best plan and prep for a much longer period of hunkering down once the decision is made.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord

Coronavirus: US Postal Service suspends items destined for China and Hong Kong amid outbreak
Today, 05:47 PM

Coronavirus: US Postal Service suspends items destined for China and Hong Kong amid outbreak

  • US Postal Service says it will temporarily suspend shipments to China and Hong Kong
5:56am, 12 Feb, 2020
The United States Postal Service (USPS) will temporarily suspend items destined for China and Hong Kong.

In a note informing its counterparts all over the world, USPS said it was “experiencing significant difficulties” in dispatching.....https://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...china-and-hong
Well I can see why we would stop accepting packages FROM China, but I don’t understand why we would stop shipping TO China!
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
WAYNE COUNTY, Ind. — Health officials in Wayne County are monitoring the health of a person who recently traveled to China.
The monitoring comes as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calls for Americans returning from the Hubei province, the center of the outbreak, be required to undergo 14 days of quarantine. Others returning from elsewhere in China will be allowed to self-monitor their condition for a similar period.
The Wayne County Health Officer said the individual will be monitored daily for 14 days for symptoms of novel coronavirus. Symptoms can include fever, cough and shortness of breath. The CDC says the risk of widespread transmission of the disease in the United States is low.
"The risk of contracting the flu is much greater than any risk from novel coronavirus in our country, but we are taking every step possible to ensure that our community stays healthy," Dr. David Jetmore said.
  • Human coronaviruses most commonly spread from an infected person to others through:
  • Respiratory droplets released into the air by coughing and sneezing.
  • Close personal contact such as touching or shaking hands.
  • Touching an object or surface with the virus on it, then touching your mouth, nose or eyes before washing your hands.
  • Fecal contamination on rare instances.
The health department said the best way to protect oneself from any respiratory illness, including the flu, is:
  • Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer.
  • Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands.
  • Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
  • Stay home when you are sick.
  • Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
  • Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces.
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20Gauge

TB Fanatic
The Chinese economist is going to end up being hanged by a howling mob for his all is well drivel. Whatever happens in terms of the virus, in China ir elsewhere China has essentially SHUT DOWN THEIR ENTIRE NATION. I'm talking factories, ports, and the list goes on and on. All of that economic activity is GONE FOREVER.

As a favor to all, please stop using Western Logic.

We are using Chinese logic on this thread..... so through a massive effort led by our GOD EMPEROR, we will recover the lost economic activity.....HAIL the GOD EMPEROR!!
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I sent an earlier link to a twitter account that had multiple videos and whatnot from china, to show this guy I have known since early high school. Trying to warn him.

His response....

"It must suck to live in Total paranoia..."

I responded:

I was just trying to do my "friends" a SOLID.

I won't bother you with my "paranoia" any more...

To the general public a person who knows more about a danger than they do, might seem like an "alarmist", or "overly paranoid" , however , given enough time passing...the general public may come to regret ignoring the friendly warnings...when all around them are in panic mode, And items of necessity are in short supply, or completely unavailable.

I am finally in agreement with my wife.

I'm done trying to help.

They shit their beds, let em sleep comfortably in the stenchy warmth.

Please forgive me GOD.
Sorry to say, they don't want your help. You help distorts their view of the world. That makes them unhappy and scared. That then makes them want to lash out. Guess who they go after?
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
From your link:

We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective

and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.


Um---WHAT, exactly, is "earlier" and "STRONGER" than QUARANTINING those who have it--or MAY have it?


Just kill them?


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YES it does!

You are learning the Chinese way!
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Zero Hedge has a thread indicating that our emperor li and his commie cronies have made the ONE mistake junior emperors of the galaxy can't make, ie MESS WITH THEIR TROOPS AND GUYS WITH THE GUNS. Here we have this emperor ming just killing many of his armed supporters, and that is FATAL. When the colonels move on him we will eventually end up with the general in control of the nukes in charge, at least for a while.
If Li is a junior emperor of the Galaxy, who qualifies as a senior emperor of the Galaxy?
 
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