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Pinecone

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And here its people who lick door bells.

This is in response to Vector's post about people contaminating the elevator. We have our own crazies. Were those video's taken before the coronavirus or after? If after, there is a special place in hell for those people.
 
jward

jward

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It occurs to me that one easy "prep" to share with folks, if/when this gets even uglier,
is simple fact sheets on how to prevent it (no, people do not necessarily know to wash
hands and not touch eyes, nose, mouth and disinfect everything...) and how to nurse
folks who get it...people also tend to freeze, or forget what they do know when in a panic
so this info might prove useful to them...
 
Heliobas Disciple

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marsh said:
www.zerohedge.com

Social Media Networks Vow To Censor "Misinformation" About Coronavirus

...don’t worry, friends. "Independent fact-checkers" from the Ministry of Truth will protect you from conspiracy theories and false claims...
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
Social Media Networks Vow To Censor "Misinformation" About Coronavirus
Sat, 02/01/2020 - 19:30
Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,

Yesterday, social media giants like Facebook and Twitter, and search engine Google announced their intentions to censor – um, crack down on – so-called “misinformation” about the coronavirus that is spreading across the globe.

Before we get started here, admittedly, there’s some absolutely terrible advice out there about preventing or curing coronavirus. There are some really wild stories about the origin of the virus which may or may not be true. But the issue here is that social media networks are setting themselves up as the arbiters of truth, making it seem as though the rest of us are incapable of separating good information from bad information.

Facebook is taking action.

Kang-Xing Jin, Facebook’s head of health, wrote:

So, don’t worry, friends. “Independent fact-checkers” from the Ministry of Truth will protect you from conspiracy theories and false claims.

Maarten Schenk from Lead Stories, a fact-checking organization working with Facebook, scoffed at some of the “conspiracy theories” he’s seen in a comment to CNN.

To be perfectly honest, whenever someone refers to a particular view as “the narrative” I’m even less likely to trust it than I was before. And I haven’t trusted the numbers coming out of China from the very beginning, as I wrote here.

Google is pushing back “misinformation” in search results.

Google is bumping any site providing perceived “misinformation” back in the search results and putting “authoritative” sources on page one.

Having been bumped back by Google numerous times in the past, I can tell you, it’s a real blow to inbound traffic when this occurs. While you personally may not use Google, keep in mind that it is the most widely used search engine in the world, with 81.5% of the market share. If they are pushing back information – oh, of course, I mean misinformation – then most folks will never see it.

Twitter is showing people “official channels” first.

According to CNN, Twitter is providing people with the best possible information when they search the coronvirus hashtag.

But of course, as always, it goes further than that.

Last night, Zero Hedge was quickly suspended by Twitter.

I’ve written repeatedly that the best coverage I have seen of the coronavirus has been on Zero Hedge. They’ve done a lot of no-holds-barred reporting and broken numerous stories about the virus and its possible origins. They’ve been careful to be extremely clear about whether something is a question or a statement, and they cite numerous sources for their work.

They’re also not afraid to be controversial.
And this got their account suspended from Twitter last evening.

Shortly after they posted an article about the extremely unusual makeup of this particular coronavirus (based on a scientific study that called the makeup “unlikely to be fortuitous,” their account was suspended. I immediately thought it was because of the article that suggested we could be dealing with a bioweapon, but according to Zero Hedge, it was something else entirely.

Twitter accused them of harassing a guy by posting his (already publicly posted) phone number and workplace. ZH reports:

By all means, Twitter should certainly take the word of someone who works for a site best known for quizzes to help you figure out what kind of potato you really are to delete a news organization’s account.

It’s also important to note that ZH didn’t post anything personal that wasn’t already publicly made available by the subject of the article himself.

So who do you want filtering information for you?

While I have seen a lot of terrible advice – drink bleach or a bottle of vinegar to “cure” coronavirus, use this essential oil and you’ll never get coronavirus, simply cut an onion in half and leave it in the room and it will absorb the coronavirus cooties, and much more quackery – I still don’t believe that social media networks and search engines should be able to filter what people see. We are (allegedly) free individuals who can think for ourselves.

Shouldn’t we be able to decide what we believe and what we don’t without information being engineered to fit a narrative? Shouldn’t we be able to base our pandemic preparedness plan on all the information out there?

Instead, we’re provided with “narratives” and biased information. That’s something we here at The Organic Prepper have warned about repeatedly. If you can’t trust your intel, it makes it difficult to make informed decisions.

This just makes it seem like there’s something to hide.

If anything, this crackdown on any alternative views, treatments, or theories makes me even more suspicious because it’s a clearcut case of Propaganda 101.

This is a technique that is as old as time.

Whenever you see some pop-up or some “correction of misinformation” the first thing you should do is ask yourself, is what are they trying to hide? It may legitimately be bad advice (like that whole drinking bleach thing) but it may also be something more sinister.

I don’t know about you, but now I’m even more curious and doubtful about the “narrative” than I was before. What is it, really, that they don’t want the rest of us to know?
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Doc1 said:
I'm seeing very little Coronavirus news this Sunday morning. Odd. As someone else noted much earlier in this thread, no news is news. I understand that Sundays were typically considered to be slow news days, but this is much less relevant today. You have to know that governments around the world - including our own - are engaged in feverish (no pun intended) activity behind this pandemic.
As we try to discipher events, considering the incubation period, we have to try to imagine the situation 14 days from now and gear our preps accordingly.
Best
Doc
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Dozdoats said:
Sometimes the dog that didn't bark is louder than the ones that did.
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bw said:
FB, Google and Twitter got the memo. The Fake Media got it too. All fine here, keep moving.
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KFhunter said:
Our .gov is doing a full court press on panic control, and major media outlets are also doing their part.
It is working, the ignorant remain...ignorant.
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This is all related which is why I copied them all to my reply.

The gov't is almost more afraid of a panic than they are of the disease itself. Some think- tank must have war gamed this and they found more people died in a panic+disease than do in the disease itself. (notice I didn't say panic vs disease, because you have to combine the deaths from panic with the deaths from the disease which would also and still be occurring). Factored into the calculation would be them thinking speaking to the public would not save more lives than those lost due to a panic if they tell the truth to the public. If they calculate that the amount of infected would not go down enough by telling the whole truth, why tell it? (in their minds). Instead give the guidelines to be followed and hope they follow them.

Also entering into their calculations is the economic and political fall out. Will there be runs on the banks, runs on the grocery stores, etc. Is truth to everyone more important than maintaining calm and for now keeping the flow of goods ordered and regulated.

My problem is that they are assuming that a panic will ensue, they are assuming it will cause x amount of deaths. And they are assuming how many lives will be saved if they hear the truth (which they think is lower than those lost to panic situations). What do they base these assumptions on and why should we trust some leftist liberal think tanks to make these decisions for everyone? Then again, I look around at the idiots I see everyday, in their pussy hats, screaming about Trump with no fact or basis other than that's what the MSM told them to do and I wonder if maybe they (the think tank people) may be on to something. Look at the black friday videos of near riots of a bunch of $2 towels or even $500 tvs. I think of all the conversations I've had over the last 2+ weeks about this with SMART people (who have their heads in the sand). I shutter to think what that discussion would be with dumb ones.

So, we're on our own. We will see less and less news stories the more this hits the western countries. Twitter will censor the news too and we won't be able to get our news from there either. TPTB know very well the power of twitter, they used it to foster more than one revolution during the Arab Spring. Twitter is a weapon and they don't want it in we-the-people's hands.

All we can do is try to find the news as soon as it comes out before it is squashed and deleted and prep, prep, prep. Physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

HD
 
Heliobas Disciple

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The second issue in hiding the truth is relevancy. How important is it for us to know that China manufactured this or fudged the numbers or whatever they're doing wrong. It doesn't change a thing for us day to day. It just makes us angry at China. And no country right now is prepared to punish China , which would the masses would demand if the truth of China's complicity/malfeasance was bad enough. So they have to censor that information too. TPTB know the MSM is a very powerful weapon. Should they turn on China, there would be no way to control the rage on the streets.

China wants the news/conspiracy theories squashed to save face and to prevent a rebellion at home.

The TPTB (internationally) want the true news/conspiracy theories squashed to prevent a rebellion at home if they don't punish China (which would lead to WWIII).

So they don't tell the truth.

Parents spare their children the truth if they think they will be overly frightened, telling them something will be ok even if they don't really believe it, letting them hold on to their innocence and calm. We are not children, ov'ts are not our parents. Personally, I want the truth. Personally, I do not believe in censorship. But after massaging the idea for a few hours, I think I can see why they're doing it (even if it wouldn't be the way I would want it handled).

HD
 
Trivium Pursuit

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20Gauge said:
If it is just poultry, then China is in a world of hurt. They just about lost their pigs and now birds..... what is left to eat besides the bats and rats they keep telling everyone they don't eat.
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If this sort of thing with the birds and the pigs keeps up, at some point, the Chinese may be the first to introduce Soylent Green. To get the locals to try it, they may mold it into a certain shape with wings, cover it with black food coloring and unveil it as 'Soylent Bat'.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Countrymouse said:
if you want to go into REALLY woo territory---imagine (God Forbid) if DJT got it--and then the Damocrats say that "in this national crisis, we MUST have stable leadership"--so boom out the window goes the Constitutional guidelines re Presidential succession (why not? What part of the Constitution have they obeyed so far? They have RAPED the Constitution, for their own ends) and onto the scene walks the strongest "I'm the big boss here" who fights his'/her way to the top of the liberal pile....
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here is the data point to watch for:

when Xi get it....
 
Heliobas Disciple

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Someone posted this link above without the text of the article so I'm copying the text into the thread too:

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thailand claims coronavirus break-through: Patient now 'disease-free'

Medics in Thailand tested the drug mix on a patient in a 'serious condition' with the disease and within 48 hours they were declared disease-free. The drugs are normally used for HIV and influenza treatment.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
(fair use applies)

Thai medics claim coronavirus break-through: Patient is declared 'disease-free' in 48 hours using HIV and flu drugs - as Dettol is forced to warn there is 'NO evidence spray kills virus'
By Isabella Nikolic For Mailonline
Published: 06:41 EST, 2 February 2020 | Updated: 12:26 EST, 2 February 2020

  • Medics tested drug mix on patient in 'serious condition' who turned disease-free
  • The antiviral drugs are normally used for HIV and influenza treatment
  • Thailand has 19 confirmed cases of coronavirus but only 11 still in hospital

Thailand has reportedly seen promising results after treating a coronavirus patient with a mix of two antiviral drugs which are usually used to treat HIV.

Medics tested the drug mix on a patient who was in a 'serious condition' with the disease and within 48 hours they were declared disease-free, reports Bloomberg.

The drugs, originally used for HIV and influenza treatment, were a success according to a medical briefing given by Dr Kriangsak Attipornwanich.

Thailand has seen 19 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, 11 patients are still in hospital but the rest have been able to return home.

The breakthrough comes as the manufacturers of the British cleaning product, Dettol, were forced to clarify that their product would not be effective at killing the virus.

One eagle-eyed shopper noticed that on the back of a bottle of Dettol a label read: 'Kills cold viruses (human coronavirus and RSV).'

Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that cause respiratory infections which are typically mild, including the common cold.

In a statement to the Sun, the company said: 'RB has become aware of speculation about Dettol products and the novel 2019-nCoV coronavirus.

'As this is an emerging outbreak RB, like all manufacturers, doesn't yet have access to the new virus (2019-nCoV) for testing and, as a result, are not yet in a position to confirm levels of effectiveness against the new strain.

'Our products have been tested against other coronaviruses (such as MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV) and have been found to kill those.'

Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Chanvirakul said that the nation will repatriate more than 100 people from Wuhan on February 4 after they pass medical screening in China.

They will then be quarantined for 14 days after returning to Thailand.

The news of the drugs' success comes as the first coronavirus patient outside of China died in the Philippines.

The 44-year-old man was admitted to San Lazaro Hospital in Manila on January 25 after arriving in the city from China.

At the time, he was suffering from a fever, cough and a sore throat.

But his condition deteriorated rapidly and he developed severe pneumonia, ABC reported.

'The patient was stable and showed signs of improvement, however his condition deteriorated within his last 24 hours resulting in his demise,' the health department said.

The man's 38-year-old female companion was also quarantined in the Philippines after test results confirmed she had coronavirus.

World Health Organisation Philippines representative Dr Rabi Abeyasinghe confirmed the man became the first confirmed death outside of China.

'However, we need to keep in mind that he came from Wuhan, China,' Dr Abeyasinge said.
 
Heliobas Disciple

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jward said:

EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3
China has ‘not yet accepted’ US help with coronavirus epidemic https://scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3048631/coronavirus-china-has-not-yet-accepted-us-help
via
@scmpnews

China has ‘not yet accepted’ US help with coronavirus epidemic
O’Brien says that Beijing has been more transparent than in the past, but they have not accepted offers of assistance.
scmp.com
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Of course not. If the American doctors get in there they will uncover the truth (which I believe is that this is a manufactured weaponized virus - ymmv)

HD
 
Heliobas Disciple

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jward said:
Helios, how is your projected chart holding up? I couldn't find it here or online yesterday...
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Thankfully it's NOT! No one has updated it because the numbers are lower but I pull it up after you post the nightly updates and do my own comparison.

Here is the chart again, maybe you can bookmark this post or copy out the chart to your harddrive so you can call it up more easily.

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jward

jward

passin' thru
well there's no hope o' hidin that if it is true, nor hiding from the consequences o having done so.
...I know I can see the deep state's finger prints all over this; world wide rejection of globalism
requires world wide punishment...but maybe I just forgot to take my anti-cynic pill this morn...
 
Sid Vicious

Sid Vicious

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I hope everyone isn't forgetting house / room filtration.

I have a couple of Winix 5500-2's that I have used over the last few years. They work, and work well.

If your house has the 4in (or more) thick filters make sure you get a supply of high flow HEPA filters. Make sure you consult with an HVAC tech.

In my case I cant upgrade to a bigger thickness and running HEPA filters in a 1in thick will burn out the HVAC, so I use the smaller units.
 
Heliobas Disciple

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jward said:
It occurs to me that one easy "prep" to share with folks, if/when this gets even uglier,
is simple fact sheets on how to prevent it (no, people do not necessarily know to wash
hands and not touch eyes, nose, mouth and disinfect everything...) and how to nurse
folks who get it...people also tend to freeze, or forget what they do know when in a panic
so this info might prove useful to them...
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Agree! Great idea.

www.who.int

Home care for patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 and management of their contacts

Interim guidance
www.who.int www.who.int

Click on download and you can save the pdf to your computer or print it out to have in case you can't use your computer.

HD
 
packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
Heliobas Disciple said:
The second issue in hiding the truth is relevancy. How important is it for us to know that China manufactured this or fudged the numbers or whatever they're doing wrong. It doesn't change a thing for us day to day. It just makes us angry at China. And no country right now is prepared to punish China , which would the masses would demand if the truth of China's complicity/malfeasance was bad enough. So they have to censor that information too. TPTB know the MSM is a very powerful weapon. Should they turn on China, there would be no way to control the rage on the streets.

China wants the news/conspiracy theories squashed to save face and to prevent a rebellion at home.

The TPTB (internationally) want the true news/conspiracy theories squashed to prevent a rebellion at home if they don't punish China (which would lead to WWIII).

So they don't tell the truth.

Parents spare their children the truth if they think they will be overly frightened, telling them something will be ok even if they don't really believe it, letting them hold on to their innocence and calm. We are not children, ov'ts are not our parents. Personally, I want the truth. Personally, I do not believe in censorship. But after massaging the idea for a few hours, I think I can see why they're doing it (even if it wouldn't be the way I would want it handled).

HD
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A rebellion in china right now would result in economic chaos for the rest of the planet.
 
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raven

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DazedandConfused said:
Like you I have been trying to talk to people about it and they don't seem to care. I spoke with one of our HR folks at work last week just in a casual way in the break room, he said he was not worried they would have a vaccine before it really gets started here..
I give up ,other than my family I will not bring up the subject in public again the hell with people.
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there are myriad reasons for not bringing up the subject . . . or even letting on you know or care.
1.Your preps. You don't want to be ID'ed as one of those prepper types. Your home or even your trip to the car with your purchases could become a target.
2. Liberals. I personally have no interest in alerting liberals to the problem.
3. Competition. You are in the store to acquire essential survival commodities - why do you want more competition?
4. They refused to listen to you for the past ten years. Ding. Times up. No time for a conversation about what they need now.
5. Coronavirus is now free to roam the country. That person you brought the subject up with - you have no idea idea if they are contagious.
 
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raven

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mzkitty said:
Hahaha, you funny.

Seriously, if all the people are locked down in their apartments, how are they going to know to put them in the hospital?

Just go bashing doors? I'm leery of anything the Chinese do. Always have been.
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everyone is on lock down except members of the party, doctors, firemen, soldiers, crematory staff,
this hospital is for the important people
 
marsh

marsh

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Greenspode said:
So I just went to pick up a load of hay from a local farmer, who also happens to be my counties Director of Emergency Management. He is a good guy; I have known him well for years. Straight shooter, smart and grasps the big picture better than most. I casually, in the course of a conversation about what has been going on since I last saw him, mentioned the coronavirus. His reaction was interesting. He went blank....expression completely neutral, and said "yeah, it doesn't look good over there". I asked him if he was concerned about it developing here and he said "Well it's my job to worry a little, but I can't scare people. We do what we can with what we have. That's all we can do." He then changed the subject and returned to his normal, jovial and animated self. I didn't push any farther.

I interpret his demeanor and reaction, having known him for years, as "I don't want to/can't talk about this" vs. being dismissive or lack of awareness. I got the impression that he is aware and concerned but isn't able to let on or discuss the issue for fear of causing "panic". I did not get any feeling one way or the other how he felt about our (my counties) state of preparedness. He had a DEFINITE change of demeanor when I brought it up, but gave me little in the way of a useful response. I could interpret his "do what we can with what we have" as referring to the supplies and procedures we have in place already, or to the news that we are able to get, and on which we base our decisions.

I don't know what any of it means, but I thought I would share. I am curious what people at various levels of government and medical management are really thinking, and when and how they begin to react to the news as it develops. I hoped he would give me more to go on, but maybe he told me enough by not wanting to talk about it at all vs. offering his opinion one way or the other.
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When I was an elected and involved in disaster planning, we invited a national trainer to come to our county to train our board on our role in a disaster. It was pretty much "stand back and shut up." Our role was in making sure the budget, training and cross training, table top and other exercises and supplies were in place and secure BEFORE the disaster. Under the NIMS structure, a person who has been trained in public affairs is the person who delivers official briefings and updates. It is very controlled. The Incident Command System assigns everyone a specific role. In this case, the County Public Health Doc would be the highest official to craft the message. The OES Director would shepherd the plan, budget, training and the machine that will fire up for logistics, contracts, records, payroll, etc.

In a regional or national public health emergency, the commend structure might move up to the regional, state or national level on control of some of the messaging.
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease. An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus emerges and spreads around the world, and most people do not have immunity. Viruses that have caused past pandemics typically originated from animal influenza viruses

What is the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic?
The Answer:
An epidemic occurs when a disease affects a greater number people than is usual for the locality or one that spreads to areas not usually associated with the disease. A pandemic is an epidemic of world-wide proportions.Feb 28, 2017


 
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KFhunter

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DazedandConfused said:
Like you I have been trying to talk to people about it and they don't seem to care. I spoke with one of our HR folks at work last week just in a casual way in the break room, he said he was not worried they would have a vaccine before it really gets started here..
I give up ,other than my family I will not bring up the subject in public again the hell with people.
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I had pretty good luck with our volunteer fire chief for several counties...but he knows me. He said he was recently contacted about his PPE stash and wanted to know his stations inventory, said he had none (he does, but its expried or nearly so, thus didnt include it)

He's receptive and thinking about it, so thats good.
 
goosebeans

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bw said:
Scientists make things because they can. Consequences are someone else's problem.
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Is anyone else wondering if this was actually originated at the level 4 lab in Canada. Maybe the Chinese couple who smuggled it out to Wuhan were trying to get ahead of it with a vaccine. Not giving them a pass. It definitely seems as though it escaped the Wuhan facility. It might not all be the fault of the evil Chinese. I saw that Trump was going to be meeting with Trudeau about the crisis, today I think.
 
goosebeans

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TheSearcher said:
I've been expecting tp hear something from my company, as they have worldwide projects, but nothing. Not even a "calm down it's no big deal" email.
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Same here with the college (VT) our son attends. I said to DH, they haven't even issued any "feel good" propaganda! Went to the website and there is a short blurb about them following updates from the CDC. But you have to go look for it. They're not sending anything home with the students.
 
marsh

marsh

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Thinwater said:
There are different kinds of virons. Some are RNA based, some DNA and some are super stable, like polio, others not so much, like rinoviruses. That's why the common cold cant be stopped, it always changes. Polio could be cured because they were always the same. Coronoviruses constantly change.
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I did read somewhere that they had compared the virus infections among the patients acrodd the US with the original sequence and that it had not altered significantly. This gave them hope that it was relatively stable - at least at this point.
 
AlfaMan

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Melodi said:
If you can, get a microwave that also has a grill (special metal that can be used on either cycle) that way you can microwave or toast something in a hurry (you have a choice) you can also use the microwave for defrosting.

I don't cook in ours either, but it is very useful for reheating and sometimes defrosting.
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A microwave when you're sick is a life saver. When I'm sick and missus has to go to work; reheating chicken noodle soup and nibbles like that is a life saver. And of course life isn't complete without microwave popcorn!

I've always stored MRE's for our preps. They can be eaten without reheating, have a meal heater inside them, and offer enough nutritional balance (and variety) to keep from getting meal fatigue. Plus they keep without refrigeration; an important consideration in light of the coronavirus. There are so many sick Chinese at some point power plant employees are not going to be able to work. The power goes out and your'e toast, food prep wise. Compound that with sickness and the problems just multiply.

We like to shop in Asian grocery stores, Lotte (Korean grocery chain) in particular. Rice and noodles feature prominently in asian culture, most of it is prepare from scratch though. One area where prepared foods/heat and eat foods has taken off is in the ramen/udon/50 other types of noodles; another is heat and eat rice bowls. We have both type items in the pantry and in the preps. Easy to prep in the microwave or heat and add water. Simple, tasty, easy to fix if your'e sick. Wife loves the heat and eat rice bowls with crumbled up seaweed in them. I'm hoping the Chinese people have access to these heat and eat items.

I can imagine Chinese people are already dealing with food insecurity issues-stores closed, they didn't stock up, too ill to prepare meals. While I hate the Chinese communists with a passion, we prayed for the Chinese people in church today. The people are suffering, and their govt. is ensuring that those poor people know as little as possible as to what's going on.
 
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