CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Trivium Pursuit said:

This is kind of adorable in a way, but since my Mandarin is extremely rusty, what is the material she's using to make the mask out of? If it's too porous , this was a pointless exercise.

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Maybe it's some tightly woven cotton, it didn't look like cheesecloth to me.

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Expatriates are leaving coronavirus-hit China - and not just from the outbreak epicentre in Wuhan - as worries about their children take hold and private health care facilities start turning away the feverish.

A foreign traveller wearing a mask walks past a departures information board at Beijing International Airport in Beijing, China as the country is hit by an outbreak of the new coronavirus, February 1, 2020. REUTERS/Jason Lee
Some foreigners also fear being trapped indefinitely as airlines cancel flights and countries quarantine or limit entry for people who have recently set foot in the country, according to interviews with eight people who are or were based in four Chinese cities.
A growing number of governments are urging their citizens not to travel to China and the United Kingdom said on Saturday its embassy and consulates in the country will maintain only a skeleton staff.
“It may be increasingly difficult for those who wish to leave China to do so, and there is a growing risk of UK nationals being unable to access medical care as hospitals become overwhelmed,” the British embassy said on Saturday.
The virus, declared a global emergency by the World Health Organization (WHO) on Thursday, has killed 259 people and spread to some two dozen countries, although the vast majority of those known to be infected are in China.
Expat chatgroups are alight with exchanges on the pros and cons of leaving, and tips on visas.

“Wouldn’t go if we didn’t have kid,” Russian expat Maria Arkhangelskaya, who has a 20-month-old daughter and left Shanghai for Thailand on Thursday, said via WeChat.
Meanwhile, many of the costly private clinics catering to foreigners have started to turn people with fevers away, raising concerns among the expat community they would have to rely on local facilities if they needed medical care.
“I don’t want to go to the local hospital with a sore throat only to catch something else,” said Czech national Veronika Krubner in Tianjin, who is considering leaving the country with her 21-month-old daughter.
Private clinic Raffles in Beijing will take the temperature of patients on entry and suspected virus cases will be referred to public fever clinics, a person answering the appointments hotline said.
People manning the appointment lines at private practices Parkway Health and Ferguson in Shanghai said the government had instructed them not to accept patients with a high temperature, and that they should be referred to public fever clinics.
Private clinic Jiahui Health said in a January 24 text message to patients in Shanghai that it cannot screen for the virus and those who have a fever of over 37.8 degrees Celsius (100° Fahrenheit) should go to a public facility designated for treating fever patients.

Visiting a public hospital in China can mean first waiting in line to get a ticket to see a doctor, only to wait in an another hours-long queue before being seen, and language is a barrier for non-Chinese speakers. Harrowing scenes of panicked crowds in Wuhan hospitals have circulated on social media.
One U.S. citizen who is based in Shanghai and asked not to be identified said he flew home to California last week.
“I’m not worried so much about the virus as I am about being forced to go to a Chinese hospital simply for having a fever,” he said.
Over 900,000 foreigners were living in China last year, according to a January 2019 report in the official China Daily.
GROUNDING FEARS
The WHO has praised China for its response to the outbreak thus far.
Many areas of China have extended the Lunar New Year holiday through Feb 9, and companies have curtailed business travel.

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There is “no business to do in China for at least two weeks,” said Louis-Olivier Roy, a Canadian business-owner based in the southern city of Dongguan who decided on Tuesday to return home temporarily.
“I was planning to travel around for work but obviously can’t for a while,” he said.
As airlines cancel flights, many expats are trying to get away, afraid of being effectively stranded in the country.
The United States, Australia and Singapore have barred entry to foreigners who have recently been in China.
“If the problem got severe enough I might not be able to make it back to America,” said another American, who flew home on Jan 24 to avoid the possibility of mass flight cancellations.
VIRUS FATIGUE
As anxiety rises, demand for emotional support is soaring.

“People are really scared,” said Emanuele Gatti, a counselling psychologist based in the southern city of Shenzhen.
After sending out a flyer for an online coronavirus support group for those suffering “severe anxiety and isolation” on Wednesday, he was inundated with requests on Thursday.
“I am receiving 1 friendship request per minute,” he said on Thursday.
While some turn to online help, others are still trying to decide whether to stay or go.
“Everyone is going and I just get messages asking me if I’ve booked my flight yet,” said Han Lili, a British national living in Shanghai.
Reporting by Engen Tham, Josh Horowitz and David Stanway in Shanghai, Muyu Xu in Beijing and Ben Blanchard in Taipei; Editing by Tony Munroe and Lincoln Feast.
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

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20Gauge said:

They are not wealthy in the way you and I think.

They live in family groups of multiple generations. If the son marries, she moves in with his family. The family as a whole will either pay off the family home or more often it was paid for generations ago. The do not have the level of goods we have, AC, heat, etc) but do enjoy the finer things like ipads, etc.

The result of their living is that they have little overhead. All their money beyond the basics can go into savings. They then use the savings for buy more land for the family, starting a business or travel as a few examples.

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Very wise of them.

Here in the States, families cannot fracture themselves and become individual fodder for the corporate monopolies, fast enough.

desertvet2 said:

((( Ragnarok)))

Thank you for the head check brother.
Much love and respect.
I am taking breaks from this...
...to top off.
...and get shit done.

The fire is burning...
Ever seen an Indi car fuel fire??

Those flames are hard to spot, cause the fuel is super high octane.
...just heat shimmers ..

If you knew what I know.....

Not panic.

Not paranoid.

Not giving any advice.


I believe NOTHING of the official statements.

Be safe my cyber friends.

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I am glad you took my post in the spirit I meant it...

Tough times are coming, gotta have a clear head to make wise decisions!

Hmmm... Police?

Texican said:

Hawaii is toast....

Texican....

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Progressive leadership...

mzkitty said:

Maybe it's some tightly woven cotton, it didn't look like cheesecloth to me.

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Grandma looks like a canny individual. And her advice is true about many situations in life. That said, I highly doubt that she has knowledge of the diameter of nCov2019 virii...

Texican said:

Will there be planted infected persons will be at the Super Bowl that will spread the epidemic????

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Or less nefarious... "unplanted" ones? Those who are infected and don't know it, yet.

THAT is what I can see happening. All it takes is one or two,,,

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The China virus outbreak continues to spread, with over 13,800 coronavirus cases in China and new cases around the world. Get the latest in our LIVE CHINA VIRUS COVERAGE.

The virus, the Novel Coronavirus, began infecting people in Wuhan, China in December. There are now 13,950 cases worldwide and 304 dead. (13,801 of the cases are in China.) Numerous Chinese cities with a total population of over 50 million people (including Wuhan) are under full or partial lockdown to help stop the spread of the virus. There are now eight cases in the US, and new cases in Japan, Singapore, and elsewhere. In this interactive live stream, host Steve Lookner brings you the latest breaking news updates on the China virus, and he'll also read your comments and questions on the air!

homecanner1 said:

A tiny bit of good news, the NW Indiana case in isolation has been ruled non corona, tested negative

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That time...

There was one case where the patient tested negative three times and positive on the fourth

OldArcher said:

Watchin' "Contagion" now... Know it's only 1/100th as bad as it could be...

OA

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Haha! I watched it last night, pretty good movie. Now, I’m watching “Hot Zone”, true story based on 1989 when Ebola virus appeared in chimpanzees in a research lab I Reston, VA. Interesting to see the interaction between Army research arm out of Ft. Detrick, MD. And the FBI.

Clucking hell! New outbreak of BIRD FLU sees thousands of chickens culled in coronavirus-stricken China — RT World

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China's pig population is down nearly 40% and now the bird flu is loose again and no estimate how many chickens will be loss which will complicate the problems in China with their food supply and the epidemic that is starting to run rampant in China....

The book states that pestilence will be rampant in the end times....

So many across the world just do not understand or refuse to understand how serious the WARS virus is becoming and are not prepared to isolate which has the potential to exacerbate the spread of the epidemic....

Will this epidemic be defeated or is the world facing another epidemic equal to or beyond the Black Plague....

How will food, medical care, medicine, electrical service, water supply, sewage treatment, law enforcement, communications be provided????

Depending on the severity of the epidemic, these service will not be provided....

Are you prepared when these fail and for how long????

God help us....

Texican....

bw said:

The good thing about being a newly hatched chick is that you have no expectations at all, so when they starve they at least won't be disappointed.

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Wow, that’s deep.

BNO Newsroom‏Verified account @BNODesk 4m4 minutes ago

UPDATE: China's National Health Commission reports 557 new cases of coronavirus, adding to the nearly 2,000 reported 2 hours ago

Ragnarok said:

That time...

There was one case where the patient tested negative three times and positive on the fourth

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You're right. This doesn't give me a comforting feeling. These tests aren't accurate a lot of times, if one is only being tested once then let go.

BNO Newsroom‏Verified account @BNODesk 1m1 minute ago

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Other figures from China's update: - 85 discharged (total 328) - Serious/critical rises to 2,110 - 19,544 suspected cases

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline




The table below shows confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are currently 14,550 confirmed cases worldwide, including 304 fatalities.




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Notes

• The number of cases in Sichuan province, China, includes 1 asymptomatic case. This case is not included in the government’s official count.
• The number of cases as counted by the Japanese government does not include 5 asymptomatic cases.
• 1 suspected case in Botswana is still under investigation. (Source)

Timeline (GMT)
1 February

• 23:57: China’s National Health Commission reports 557 new cases across the mainland. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. (Source)
• 23:32: 5 new cases in Gansu province, China. (Source)
• 23:31: 1 new case in Liaoning province, China. (Source)
• 23:30: 8 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 23:10: 15 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 22:13: 9 new cases in Shanxi province, China. (Source)
• 22:12: 1 new case in the United Arab Emirates. (Source)
• 22:11: 4 new cases in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 22:10: 1,921 new cases and 45 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 21:22: 1 new case in Germany. (Source)
• 21:20: 1 new case in the United States. First in Massachusetts. (Source)
• 14:51: 3 new cases in Japan. (Source)
• 11:31: 2 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 10:02: 3 new cases in Liaoning province, China. (Source)
• 09:20: 12 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
• 09:12: 5 new cases in Hainan province, China. (Source)
• 08:33: 15 new cases in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
• 07:54: 9 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 07:50: 2 new cases in Australia. First in South Australia. (Source)
• 07:45: 4 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 05:56: 16 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 05:34: 3 new cases in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 04:30: 8 new cases in Yunnan province, China. (Source)
• 04:20: 17 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
• 03:40: 1 new case in Vietnam. (Source)
• 03:25: 57 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
• 03:13: 24 new cases in Fujian province, China. (Source)
• 03:00: 3 new cases in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 02:45: 1 new case in Xinjiang Region, China. (Source)
• 02:40: 15 new cases in Shaanxi province, China. A previous case was discarded. (Source)
• 02:33: 5 new cases in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 02:20: 8 new cases in Hainan province, China. (Source)
• 02:06: 84 new cases in Guangdong province, China. Other cases mentioned in the press release were previously added. (Source)
• 02:00: 21 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
• 01:58: 1 new case in Qinghai province, China. (Source)
• 01:55: 2 new cases in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 01:52: 62 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
• 01:51: 3 new cases in Jilin province, China. (Source)
• 01:50: 60 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
• 01:45: 1 new case in Australia. (Source)
• 00:50: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
• 00:49: 34 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
• 00:47: 70 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
• 00:37: 47 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. A previous case was discarded. (Source)
• 00:30: 30 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
• 00:22: 18 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 00:15: 13 new cases in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 00:11: 14 new cases in Hebei province, China. (Source)
• 00:04: 18 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 00:02: China’s National Health Commission reports 611 new cases across the mainland. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. (Source)

31 January

• 23:25: 8 new cases in Shanxi province, China. (Source)
• 23:13: 27 new cases and 1 new death in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 22:33: First case in Spain. (Source)
• 22:20: 1,347 new cases and 45 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 21:29: 1 new case in California, United States. (Source)
• 20:07: 1 new case in Taiwan. (Source)
• 20:06: 1 new case in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 20:05: 6 new cases in Gansu province, China. (Source)
• 20:04: 12 new cases in Liaoning province, China. (Source)
• 20:03: 1 new case in Canada. (Source)
• 20:02: 2 new asymptomatic cases in Japan. (Source)
• 20:01: 1 new case in Sweden. (Source)
• 20:00: 1 new case in Germany. (Source)
• 13:27: 1 new case in Germany. (Source)
• 12:38: First 2 cases in Russia. (Source)
• 12:13: 3 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 10:19: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 09:43: 5 new cases in Thailand. (Source)
• 09:33: First 2 cases in England. (Source)
• 09:15: 14 new cases in Guizhou province, China. (Source)
• 09:08: 43 new cases in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
• 09:00: 7 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
• 07:48: 5 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 07:33: 3 new cases in Yunnan province, China. (Source)
• 07:04: 6 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 06:15: 4 new cases in South Korea. (Source)
• 05:51: 3 new cases in Liaoning province, China. (Source)
• 05:50: 19 new cases in Fujian province, China. (Source)
• 05:30: 7 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 04:20: 4 new cases in Yunnan province, China. (Source)
• 04:13: 11 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
• 02:38: 2 new cases in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 02:36: 24 new cases in Shaanxi province, China. (Source)
• 02:17: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 02:14: 3 new cases in Hainan province, China. (Source)
• 01:43: 4 new cases in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 01:39: 55 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
• 01:20: 3 new cases in Xinjiang Region, China. (Source)
• 01:17: 15 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. One new death and one new case mentioned in the press release were previously reported. As a result, the number of new cases here is lower. (Source)
• 01:10: 39 new cases in Guangdong province, China. The number in the press release does not match with the previous update. As a result, the number of new cases mentioned here is lower to match with the new total. (Source)
• 01:05: 109 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
• 00:55: 3 new cases in Guizhou province, China. (Source)
• 00:52: 74 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
• 00:50: 39 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
• 00:48: 20 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 00:45: 37 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
• 00:44: 78 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. (Source)
• 00:43: 36 new cases in Sichuan province, China. This includes one asymptomatic case, which will be excluded from the government’s official count. (Source)
• 00:25: 17 new cases in Hebei province, China. (Source)
• 00:24: 16 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 00:23: 9 new cases in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
• 00:22: 4 new cases in Liaoning province, China. (Source)
• 00:21: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
• 00:05: 14 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)

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Look, when we post the new numbers from now can we just bracket them with times ten, or times 100. I am tired of seeing these Chinese war criminals still brazenly lying to our face. If nothing else it is disrespectful to the real dead to show 300 dead when it is DEVISIVELY CLEAR the real KIA is beyond 3000 to 30,000 by now. The total infected is now several hundred thousand.

bw said:
The good thing about being a newly hatched chick is that you have no expectations at all, so when they starve they at least won't be disappointed.

Profit of Doom said:

Wow, that’s deep.

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summerthyme said:

That wasn't aimed at you, or anyone in particular... Just was a good "teachable moment"! There are SO many of these that are getting yanked almost before they can be seen, and our great newshounds catch them... but if it's only a link, they're lost forever.

Your work is very much appreciated...

Summerthyme

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I am still laughing! I had been whacking up a peck of New Mexico Hatch peppers and my hands were burning even after I washed them well. Two or three things happened all at once that were distracting and I hit Post Reply and not Save Changes as I had intended. And the rest is history. Adlepated and trying to do too much at a time. Thanks for understanding.

MGT said:

Haha! I watched it last night, pretty good movie. Now, I’m watching “Hot Zone”, true story based on 1989 when Ebola virus appeared in chimpanzees in a research lab I Reston, VA. Interesting to see the interaction between Army research arm out of Ft. Detrick, MD. And the FBI.

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Ft. Detrick, MD is home to the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease (USAMRIID).

You may have noticed that the folks at Ft. Detrick haven't chimed in on the present crisis. Recall that the CDC pulled USAMRIID's Federal Select Agent certification last summer because of biosafety lapses:


Ergo, a major U.S. Level 4 lab is unavailable to work this outbreak. I am not able to find any evidence that USAMRIID is fully back online, although the CDC approved the facility for limited work last November:

Went to Wal-Mart today and found the generic over the counter pain meds wiped out. Some expensive name brand stuff and a few very large, somewhat expensive bottles of generics were still available.

Maybe the store pulled these items out to raise prices later. Many whole sections were empty. Maybe people are getting nervous.

I got a large bottle of generic pain meds for my elder. I need to stock them with dry dog food and then done.

On the subject of feeding baby chicks, you can stock a plastic tub with an earthworm farm ahead of time. You can feed them dry dog food softened with water. Even softened cattle cubes will work.

Doomer Doug said:

Look, when we post the new numbers from now can we just bracket them with times ten, or times 100. I am tired of seeing these Chinese war criminals still brazenly lying to our face. If nothing else it is disrespectful to the real dead to show 300 dead when it is DEVISIVELY CLEAR the real KIA is beyond 3000 to 30,000 by now. The total infected is now several hundred thousand.

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Oh great doomer known as Doug.

Totally agree the Chinese numbers are wack. And one can argue wildly understated.

So, what about the rest of the world? Pretty low numbers. 140 confirmed cases, and two serious - with zero fatalities.

Not much there there?

Kinda curious, will there be videos of people dropping in the streets of downtown Portland anytime soon?

Not scoffing, just asking for a friend. ;-)

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Sorry if a dupe

https://www.reuters.com/articl...th-birdflu-china-idUSL4N2A10GC


Now they got bird flu too?

WOW! I am watching ABC evening news and they are going nuts about the virus. It is the lead story and I have NO DOUBT the sheeple will notice this. Again, the virus was the lead story, even beating out the road fire. This is it, gang, the moment the sheeple first noticed the looming crisis exploding over their heads.

I posted this on the other prep thread and it got passed over.


So how long would something like these p100 filters last. Got quite a few of these around.
I never use dust type masks always feel like they don't work.

Hurricanehic said:

Just an FYI. I was ordering some #10 Mountain House to top off supplies and got this message...

"Thank you so much for your order.

Unfortunately, we were contacted by the supplier informing us that the item you ordered is on backorder. We were not told as to when this
item will be back in stock, and we do not want you to have to wait for restocking of this item when you may be able to purchase it somewhere else.

Please request a cancellation through Amazon, and we will close out your order immediately.
We apologize for this inconvenience.

Kind regards,
Lisa"

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Wow, that's not good. If you're a Costco member, they do sell some on their webpage. Emergency Essentials (beprepared.com) also, and Mountain House does sell direct although it seems pricier (Mountain House #10 Cans).

I trust the oversea numbers much, much more than I do the ones coming out from people I consider to be war criminals. Xi is directly responsible for decisions that led to the deaths of thousands. I don't think German officials are faking numbers. By parroting brazen lies, issued by war criminal chinese leaders, well it's time to call them out for killing chinese. I think Xi is used to smashing people down and is in crisis by not being able to do his old imperial emperor routine

KFhunter said:

Sorry if a dupe

https://www.reuters.com/articl...th-birdflu-china-idUSL4N2A10GC


Now they got bird flu too?

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OR, are they now finding out the hard way that quite a few of the animals are getting this and passing it along? (And don't have the test kits to prove it one way or another)...

Loup

Macgyver said:

I posted this on the other prep thread and it got passed over.

So how long would something like these p100 filters last. Got quite a few of these around.
I never use dust type masks always feel like they don't work.

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Until they don't....

Texican....

Doomer Doug said:

Look, when we post the new numbers from now can we just bracket them with times ten, or times 100. I am tired of seeing these Chinese war criminals still brazenly lying to our face. If nothing else it is disrespectful to the real dead to show 300 dead when it is DEVISIVELY CLEAR the real KIA is beyond 3000 to 30,000 by now. The total infected is now several hundred thousand.

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You can certainly do so- I post the story as it is being told, and strive to leave editorializing and interpretation to the talking heads and scientist - and, of course, to the historians.

Tom McDowell said:

Oh great doomer known as Doug.

Totally agree the Chinese numbers are wack. And one can argue wildly understated.

So, what about the rest of the world? Pretty low numbers. 140 confirmed cases, and two serious - with zero fatalities.

Not much there there?

Kinda curious, will there be videos of people dropping in the streets of downtown Portland anytime soon?

Not scoffing, just asking for a friend. ;-)

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I'm not doomer dougie,but I suggest yet again that we all take this moment we've been given to learnthe truth about our local health care system. What resources do we have? what is the medical condition of our citizens NOW (so we can watch unexplained upticks and service demands)... get to know the HC providers, what they say off the record.
We're a free society, with plenty of warning. Whatever starts happening here should be easily discernible imho.
IF we do our due diligence now and educate ourselves.

Mark D said:

Hmmm... Police?

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A hundred pages or so back, someone said the police aren't armed, only the military.