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Perhaps that is what the "white" Russians are hoping.
Ragnarok
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Why would the give that information out when you can barely get it in a police report these days?
Ragnarok
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Ragheads flew airplanes into the WTC and the Pentagon.
It was boiled down to (by a congressman (female)):
"Some people did something."
This PC BS cannot stand.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
I'm not buying this, honestly. As things get worse, people will self-isolate, both the sick and those looking to stay healthy. That alone will stop the mathematical projection, I truly believe. However, how bad does it have to get to trigger a hermit response? We're not there yet, and it might get damn horrible before it happens.
I also think that now that the news of what's going on has broken out, responsible entities will devote more energy to address it. Again, while such entities play catchup, this thing will drag along.
TrueNorthNomads
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Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Why would the Chinese make a bioweapon that targets only the Chinese?
It probably won't be a elected official who was ultimately responsible. Haunting would be an appropriate response, unless the person/people who manufactured such a thing are also dead. Can you haunt a dead person?
Ragnarok
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Can you haunt a dead person?
What are you, some kind of poltergeist racist???
I'll haunt whomever I want!
It's a good question. Maybe they were just testing and only had their own prisoners (Chinese) to test it on, and it escaped. Maybe it was meant to be another race, who's DNA/RNA could be inserted where the Chinese DNA was if it worked. See, posting too late in the night produces woo.
See ya'll in the morning. Try not to fill five or six more pages before I get back here, ok?Is dead a race? I'm so confused. I just can't keep up with the new rules. lol
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
I'm not understanding where the 35% rate is coming from. Please explain?
northern watch
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Deven_Intel @Deven_Intel 49m49 minutes ago
The new 1,722 new cases is only numbers#China has authorized for release. The real number of infected is likely way higher. We are actively looking at an epidemic taking place in China.
The new 1,722 new cases is only numbers
marsh
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People in the videos from Wuhan repeatedly have said some deaths were being reported on death certificates as pneumonia, not the NCVirus
Ragnarok
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Necro-Bigot!!!
northern watch
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Global TimesVerified account @globaltimesnews 1m1 minute ago
Experts and doctors in Shanghai are being assigned shifts at designated hospitals to deal with patients who have contracted the novel#coronavirus, a Shanghai government official told a press conference on Tuesday.
Experts and doctors in Shanghai are being assigned shifts at designated hospitals to deal with patients who have contracted the novel
northern watch
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Global TimesVerified account @globaltimesnews 2h2 hours ago
#Tianjin in North China is to launch #wartime mechanism to confront the novel #coronavirus, the first city in China to do so. A general hospital and 500 medical teams in the city are to be put under military management.
10:09 PM - 27 Jan 2020
10:09 PM - 27 Jan 2020
Profit of Doom
Dismember
It can certainly go bad, from external bacteria. The bad bug should no longer be viable.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
What is it about liberals that makes them so stubborn and pig-headed?
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Sick, dude. I’m with you.
Heliobas Disciple
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It's a good question. Maybe they were just testing and only had their own prisoners (Chinese) to test it on, and it escaped. Maybe it was meant to be another race, who's DNA/RNA could be inserted where the Chinese DNA was if it worked. See, posting too late in the night produces woo.
That's my theory as well. IF this turns out to be a genetically engineered bio-weapon, it escaped during its trial phase and the only one they could test on would be their own prisoners so they inserted Chinese DNA in the test virus, expecting to substitute whatever DNA they'd want to target if it ever came to that. They did not intend for it to ever leave the lab. I doubt the Chinese will ever admit it, but it may be proven by some lab outside their country. And of course, if it is,China will say it was planted by some other country, not something that they themselves created and were careless with. And then who knows what they do next. If there's anyone left to do anything. All woo, I know...I did bold and enlarge the IF.
HD
TrueNorthNomads
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At this juncture, slightly more than one person in three who contracts this virus dies, but bear in mind that (with some exceptions) 91.66% of the global population won’t contract it at all, and most of those who do are old, already sick (have comorbidities), or have a compromised immune system. (Very few on the critical list are expected to recover, and that projection was taken into account
when attempting to establish a kill ratio.)
That’s roughly the same mortality rate as typhus and smallpox. Fortunately, this disease does not appear to be as virulent.
Check the stats.
Sláinte!
Kathy.
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Exactly. And some aren't reported at all as they are not admitted to any hospital and sent home to die. I don't understand why our established medical professionals are relying on the official numbers from China to make risk assessments. Or maybe behind closed doors they aren't, but not discussing that aspect and when they speak publically, they use the official numbers for diplomatic reasons (?).
HD
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Lazy asses. post more doom!
Heliobas Disciple
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As a leading global news agency, AFP offers quality multimedia content in video, text, photo and graphics in six languages.
Experts say China virus outbreak will last months at least
AFP
28 Jan 2020
The deadly new coronavirus that has broken out in China, 2019-nCoV, will afflict a minimum of tens of thousands of people and will last at least several months, researchers estimate based on the first available data.
"The best case scenario, you would have something... where we go through the spring into the summer, and then it dies down," David Fisman, a professor at the University of Toronto who wrote an analysis of the virus for the International Society for Infectious Diseases, told AFP.
"It's not something that's going to end the next week or the next month," said Alessandro Vespignani, a professor at Northeastern University. He is part of a group of researchers that manages an online dashboard about the outbreak.
Epidemiologists have no crystal ball. They have only piecemeal information on the new virus, which appeared in December. They use mathematical models to estimate the actual number of cases, as of the current date, and compare them to past outbreaks -- but many of their hypotheses remain uncertain.
Until the past weekend, researchers thought that infected people were not contagious until they began exhibiting symptoms, such as fever, respiratory problems, and pneumonia. But Chinese authorities said Sunday they had established the opposite.
US health authorities said Monday they had not seen evidence that asymptomatic patients can infect other people. But if they can, this would definitely change the outbreak's dynamics.
The first estimates for the length of the incubation period -- about two weeks -- are recent.
- Patience -
In recent days, multiple experts have calculated an important parameter for any outbreak: basic reproduction number, or the "R0." It represents the number of people contaminated by an infected person. Estimates range from 1.4 to 3.8, according to Fisman, figures that are considered moderate.
That is only an average: some patients may infect many people, while others infect only a few. "On its own, it isn't a reason to panic," said Maimuna Majumder, a researcher at Harvard University and at Boston Children's Hospital.
She said the rate is 1.3 for seasonal flu (which has millions of cases per year) and between two and five for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which resulted in 8,000 cases and 774 deaths, the majority in mainland China and Hong Kong in 2002-2003. In comparison, the rate for measles ranges from 12 to 18.
Quarantines and isolation measures, systematic hand washing and masks could help drive down the average number of infected people. If the rate falls below one, the epidemic will die down.
But the effect of the control measures China has implemented won't be felt for another week or two, researchers say, based on the virus's cycle.
"The more we learn about it, the more it looks like SARS," said Fisman. "SARS was controllable; hopefully this will be too. But we won't know for a few weeks."
"It's going to be many weeks, probably months, and nobody knows where this will go," he added.
The official number of cases is more than 4,000 in China, with more than 100 deaths, and some 50 confirmed infections outside the country.
But the actual number of Chinese cases, including those not yet detected, is likely to be more than 25,000, said Vespignani, according to the analysis of the group coordinated by Northeastern.
And researchers at the University of Hong Kong (HKU) estimate the number of actual cases has currently passed 40,000.
"It's easy to get to twice or three times as much, even just in the city of Wuhan," the virus's epicenter, said Vespignani. "If we start to have other larger areas affected, then those numbers are going to be much, much bigger."
He said he doesn't want to estimate the number of possible deaths. The mortality rate, until now, has hovered around three percent, but rates tend to fluctuate: they increase at the beginning as the most vulnerable patients die, then drop, and then rise again as others die.
Again, only time will tell.
northern watch
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CNNVerified account @CNN 9m9 minutes ago
A student from China, who is currently part of an exchange program at William Penn Charter School in Philadelphia, is being tested for the novel coronavirus, a health official has said
A student from China, who is currently part of an exchange program at William Penn Charter School in Philadelphia, is being tested for the novel coronavirus, a health official has said
northern watch
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Vincent LeeVerified account @Rover829 35s35 seconds ago
SEOUL, Jan 28 (Reuters) - More than half a million South Koreans have signed a petition calling for a ban on people from China entering the country, as Seoul announced on Tuesday it would evacuate citizens from the epicentre of the new coronavirus outbreak.
SEOUL, Jan 28 (Reuters) - More than half a million South Koreans have signed a petition calling for a ban on people from China entering the country, as Seoul announced on Tuesday it would evacuate citizens from the epicentre of the new coronavirus outbreak.
marsh
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Germany confirms human transmission of coronavirus – DW – 01/28/2020
Health authorities say a Bavarian man contracted the virus from a colleague visiting from China. It is believed to be the first case of human-to-human transmission in Europe.
www.dw.com
I dug a bit further on the Bavarian case. They just said he was a resident in Bavaria, but did not give his race. They did highlight, however, that his was the first case outside of China where he had contracted it from a non-relative.
Germany confirms first case of coronavirus
Health authorities say the man who contracted the virus is from the state of Bavaria. It is the first known instance outside of China of the disease transmitting between unrelated persons.
The first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in Germany, a spokesman for the Bavarian Health Ministry announced late Monday.
The man who contracted the virus is from Starnberg, 30 kilometers (18 miles) south of Munich, and is in a "medically good state," according to the health authority.
The ministry released a statement saying he was under surveillance in an isolation ward and that
the risk of infection for the people of Bavaria is currently considered to be "low."
"People who have been in contact (with the patient) have been informed in detail about possible symptoms, hygiene measures and transmission channels," the statement added.
It also confirmed there would be a press conference regarding the issue on Tuesday morning.
A unique case
The Bavarian case is the first known example of the infection spreading outside of China between people who are not closely related.
Approximately 50 cases have been recorded outside of China. Nearly all of the patients had recently returned from China. In a handful of international cases, the virus was passed between family members.
Germany 'well prepared'
German Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Tuesday that Germany is in good shape to deal with the infection's arrival.
"It was expected that the virus would come to Germany," he said. "The case in Bavaria shows that
we're well prepared."
The new virus, which originated in the central Chinese city of Wuhan and can cause a pneumonia-like acute respiratory infection, has so far killed at least 106 people and infected more than 4,500 others in China, while cases of the illness have also been reported across the globe.
Countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Nepal, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, the United States, France and Australia have all confirmed patients who have contracted the disease.
northern watch
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BNO NewsroomVerified account @BNODesk 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Japan reports new case of coronavirus in person who has no history of traveling to Wuhan - TBS
BNO NewsroomVerified account @BNODesk 2m2 minutes ago
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
The patient is a bus driver who never traveled to China but transported a group of people from Wuhan twice a month - Kyodo
BREAKING: Japan reports new case of coronavirus in person who has no history of traveling to Wuhan - TBS
BNO NewsroomVerified account @BNODesk 2m2 minutes ago
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
The patient is a bus driver who never traveled to China but transported a group of people from Wuhan twice a month - Kyodo
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northern watch
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Russian MarketVerified account @russian_market 5m5 minutes ago
JAPAN FINDS TWO NEW CASES OF NOVEL CORONAVIRUS
JAPAN FINDS TWO NEW CASES OF NOVEL CORONAVIRUS
Jaybird
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Off to the races. Captain Trips is real.
ainitfunny
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I’d bet the Chinese didn’t make it.
What the Chinese leaders may have either heard, or thought true (or may indeed be true- but I doubt it.) is that this nCov coronavirus was SOME OTHER NATION’S biological warfare agent specifically bioengineered to target or kill Chinese which, if true, would then REQUIRE the Chinese to get some of it, obtain it and TRY TO ENGINEER a Chinese DEFENSE against an outbreak ( a vaccine, or effective treatment of patients) to neutralize its usefulness as a bioweapon to any nation daring to use it against China.
Unfortunately, IF that is what happened, and it got loose from their Wuhan Lab, it was probably their penchant for SECRECY that caused it, failing to give ALL the employees there at the Wuhan Lab, (even the guards charged with properly disposing of lab animals) an adequate understanding of the potentially horrific consequence of anything that could harbor germs escaping from/orr leaving the Lab. Nobody who is living in a corrupt nation, where common theft is winked at as just another means of survival/coping with slave wages, nobody surviving like that is really afraid getting caught stealing.
But just HAVING the Lab BUILT in the very HEART OF CHINA, in a city of 11 million people was the first major mistake.
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northern watch
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Eunice YoonVerified account @onlyyoontv 1m1 minute ago
Local media now reporting Beijing’s pre-fabricated hospital from the SARS outbreak in 2003 (Xiaotangshan) is being rebuilt to curb the#WuhanCoronavirus. The two pre-fab hospitals in #Wuhan are based on the one previously constructed in Beijing. #China
Local media now reporting Beijing’s pre-fabricated hospital from the SARS outbreak in 2003 (Xiaotangshan) is being rebuilt to curb the
Binkerthebear
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Simple reason - nothing makes sense in any of this, except we do know for sure that 2 + 2 = 5.
Binkerthebear
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BREAKING: Japan reports new case of coronavirus in person who has no history of traveling to Wuhan.
Humh. Looks like we’ve got H2H happening outside of China but the “big” question still remains unanswered.
Humh. Looks like we’ve got H2H happening outside of China but the “big” question still remains unanswered.
If a person was to steam off some alcohol in a room would it sterilize the room? I ask because just wiping off cabinets isn't going to do much for carpets or atmosphere.
Another thing, would Japan have a supper incinerater to offer up, if there is a massive body count to deal with rather than making a mess for the future just burying the dead.
Another thing, would Japan have a supper incinerater to offer up, if there is a massive body count to deal with rather than making a mess for the future just burying the dead.