In 20 ys of watching TB2K, I have seen only one Prepper who understands the chokepoint in prepping.
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In 20 ys of watching TB2K, I have seen only one Prepper who understands the chokepoint in prepping.
That is patently impossible BTW, and you know it.
That is patently impossible BTW, and you know it.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Covered and done. 120’ well with 8’ static water level. Hand pump on top of the casing. Shallow well pump into the side of the casing. 3/4 horse pump that runs off commercial and generator power. In addition I have a well bucket with another hand pump well 100 yards away and have a river 1/2 mile away. Also have a purifier for surface water. We have an abundance of water in the U.P. And that is one of the reasons I settled here.
colonel holman
Veteran Member
to add another complication: can you access your water when it is dead of winter?
Terriannie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I live near fresh water. Lots of it. However, if my stored water is depleted, getting it from the Mississippi or swamp would require huge barrels/buckets/containers. In the case of a grid down = no fuel sources for the truck to haul it, with our age, that water will be extremely hard to get, even if a peddle bike had a trailer.
For EXTREME water emergencies, I've always kept this water prep in front of my files to prevent death from lack of water.
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/how-to-find-water2.htm
Water Collection Techniques
If you're stranded and there isn't a fresh water source around, then you need to get to work on collecting water. There are a few techniques to do this, and it doesn't hurt to set up more than one system. The more water you can collect, the better your chances of survival.
One pretty basic way you can collect water is to make a belowground still. To do this, you'll need some plastic sheeting, a digging tool, a container, a drinking tube and a rock.
Choose a moist area that gets sunlight for most of the day.
Dig a bowl-shaped hole about three feet across and two feet deep, with an additional sump dug in the center.
The sump should be flat and big enough to hold your container.
Place the container into the sump.
Put the drinking tube in the container and run it up and out of the main hole.
Place the plastic over the hole and cover the sides with rock and soil to keep it there.
Put your rock in the center of the sheet and let it hang down about 18 inches, directly over the container to form an inverted cone.
Add more soil on the edges for stability.
The moisture from the ground reacts with the heat from the sun to produce condensation on the plastic. The still forces the condensation to run down the plastic and into your container. You can also add vegetation inside the hole to increase the amount of moisture -- just make sure the plants aren't poisonous. Use the tube to drink directly from the container. If you don't have one, you can remove the container and reassemble it after. A good still can produce up to one quart of drinking water per day.
For better-tasting water, let it sit for 12 hours if you can afford to. You can also make a filter to remove any visible particles:
Find a large can, hollow log or plastic bag. Hollow bamboo will also work.
Punch 5-10 small holes around the base of your container and suspend it from the ground.
Fill it with alternating layers of rock, sand and cloth.
Use both fine and coarse layers, the more the better.
Pour your collected water into the filter and catch it in another container below.
The water should come through fairly clear, if not you can pour it through again. Add charcoal from your fire to remove odor -- just make sure you filter the charcoal out with some cloth. This method merely removes large sediment and improves the taste. You should always purify the water by boiling it.
For EXTREME water emergencies, I've always kept this water prep in front of my files to prevent death from lack of water.
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/how-to-find-water2.htm
Water Collection Techniques
If you're stranded and there isn't a fresh water source around, then you need to get to work on collecting water. There are a few techniques to do this, and it doesn't hurt to set up more than one system. The more water you can collect, the better your chances of survival.
One pretty basic way you can collect water is to make a belowground still. To do this, you'll need some plastic sheeting, a digging tool, a container, a drinking tube and a rock.
Choose a moist area that gets sunlight for most of the day.
Dig a bowl-shaped hole about three feet across and two feet deep, with an additional sump dug in the center.
The sump should be flat and big enough to hold your container.
Place the container into the sump.
Put the drinking tube in the container and run it up and out of the main hole.
Place the plastic over the hole and cover the sides with rock and soil to keep it there.
Put your rock in the center of the sheet and let it hang down about 18 inches, directly over the container to form an inverted cone.
Add more soil on the edges for stability.
The moisture from the ground reacts with the heat from the sun to produce condensation on the plastic. The still forces the condensation to run down the plastic and into your container. You can also add vegetation inside the hole to increase the amount of moisture -- just make sure the plants aren't poisonous. Use the tube to drink directly from the container. If you don't have one, you can remove the container and reassemble it after. A good still can produce up to one quart of drinking water per day.
For better-tasting water, let it sit for 12 hours if you can afford to. You can also make a filter to remove any visible particles:
Find a large can, hollow log or plastic bag. Hollow bamboo will also work.
Punch 5-10 small holes around the base of your container and suspend it from the ground.
Fill it with alternating layers of rock, sand and cloth.
Use both fine and coarse layers, the more the better.
Pour your collected water into the filter and catch it in another container below.
The water should come through fairly clear, if not you can pour it through again. Add charcoal from your fire to remove odor -- just make sure you filter the charcoal out with some cloth. This method merely removes large sediment and improves the taste. You should always purify the water by boiling it.
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Yup. Freeze free hand pump. They ain't cheap, but they are worth it. And it sits on the regular well that is piped to the house...same water as always. It's a lot better hand pump than what both my parents grew up with on the farm that had to be thawed with hot water every so often, but even those worked OK in winter if you knew what you were doing and drained the pipe after using it.
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It'sJustMe
Deceased
Maybe more of us get stuff, and have learned valuable lessons on TB over these past couple decades, than one might presume. Loose lips sink ships and all that applies even for land lubbers. But thanks for your valuable reminder Troke. You are definitely one of the good guys! And thank you also to Dennis for being in it for the long haul. So are we! 
West
Senior
Our pump jack has a weep hole about two feet from the cap slab. I know I drilled it in the drop pipe.
It's the drop pipe weep hole that keeps the hand pumps/pump Jack's from freezing.
West
Senior
Maybe more of us get stuff, and have learned valuable lessons on TB over these past couple decades, than one might presume. Loose lips sink ships and all that applies even for land lubbers. But thanks for your valuable reminder Troke. You are definitely one of the good guys! And thank you also to Dennis for being in it for the long haul. So are we!
Ditto.
The moderators and Dennis should take a week off once a month, to keep your sanity, I do.
Yup. Self-draining. That and a sealed head, so rain and water can't seep inside the pump and freeze from the top side (or pollute the well).
Bumblepuff
Veteran Member
Where I was working cattle in SD, the ground water was so atrocious that if you drank it, it straightened your intestinal tract to a straight pipe. (That is not a metaphor) Consequently, the majority of ranchers drank rain runoff from the roof routed into a cistern. I think a 1" rain on a 1000 sq ft of roof will get you 500 gals after flushing the roof.
The ranch I worked on had a damned pond up elevation from the house, so water was piped to the house through a filter. As cows also used the pond, the water was boiled. The foreman did not trust the filter. We drank iced tea at the table and boiled water from our canteens.
On our farm, we used rain water to wash hair and fine linens. The ground water was so hard that the tea kettle was half scale but it was drinkable. Rain would start, let the roof flush off, run out and trip the lever shunting the clean water into the cistern.
The ranch I worked on had a damned pond up elevation from the house, so water was piped to the house through a filter. As cows also used the pond, the water was boiled. The foreman did not trust the filter. We drank iced tea at the table and boiled water from our canteens.
On our farm, we used rain water to wash hair and fine linens. The ground water was so hard that the tea kettle was half scale but it was drinkable. Rain would start, let the roof flush off, run out and trip the lever shunting the clean water into the cistern.
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
Simple pump (hand pump) for the well.
Several camping type filters.
10,000 lakes
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Several camping type filters.
10,000 lakes
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TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Thank you, Troke.
I think that many may have needed a friendly reminder.
Artesian wells will be a huge benefit after the other shoe drops, and may be HEAVILY guarded by UN troops, outlaws, or even abc agency troops (who knows?) after the other shoe drops. Desperate people do desperate things, and killings will happen over commodities.
The wells might even get tapped off.
It is hard to think outside the box, or even imagine all of the possibilities, but here is something to help connect the dots: a picture from a story in Israel.
I will be posting this story on one the relevant threads...(war)...
UN confirms 3rd Hezbollah tunnel crossed border into Israel, violating ceasefire
There is a border wall, but the UN troops are there.
So, what is the UN REALLY doing there?
Many of the these white vehicles had been spotted on FUSA soil in the past, being transported en masse, as far as I understand, here and there, and disclosed by witnesses.
But the web gets scrubbed aka censored.
https://www.cufi.org/un-confirms-3r...ossed-border-into-israel-violating-ceasefire/
I think that many may have needed a friendly reminder.
Artesian wells will be a huge benefit after the other shoe drops, and may be HEAVILY guarded by UN troops, outlaws, or even abc agency troops (who knows?) after the other shoe drops. Desperate people do desperate things, and killings will happen over commodities.
The wells might even get tapped off.
It is hard to think outside the box, or even imagine all of the possibilities, but here is something to help connect the dots: a picture from a story in Israel.
I will be posting this story on one the relevant threads...(war)...
UN confirms 3rd Hezbollah tunnel crossed border into Israel, violating ceasefire
There is a border wall, but the UN troops are there.
So, what is the UN REALLY doing there?
Many of the these white vehicles had been spotted on FUSA soil in the past, being transported en masse, as far as I understand, here and there, and disclosed by witnesses.
But the web gets scrubbed aka censored.
https://www.cufi.org/un-confirms-3r...ossed-border-into-israel-violating-ceasefire/
Dosadi
Brown Coat
Ha
I live in Alabama, only water problem I have it I have to dig down maybe a foot or two to hit it anywhere but on top the mtns. (Hills)
If someone doesn't know how to take crap water and make it potable, then they are not preppers.
As for others, welp, the cities falling apart is pretty much a done deal with all the gibsmedats, and prog lefties running them. Also J6P can stop food , water and electricity to the cities any time he wants and bring them to their knees in a matter of days. And many J6P's know this, not sure if progs running the big cities do.
so the true bottle neck for most is electricity.
Kinda like 3 minutes with out air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water.
Shelter for most is = to electricity.
I live in Alabama, only water problem I have it I have to dig down maybe a foot or two to hit it anywhere but on top the mtns. (Hills)
If someone doesn't know how to take crap water and make it potable, then they are not preppers.
As for others, welp, the cities falling apart is pretty much a done deal with all the gibsmedats, and prog lefties running them. Also J6P can stop food , water and electricity to the cities any time he wants and bring them to their knees in a matter of days. And many J6P's know this, not sure if progs running the big cities do.
so the true bottle neck for most is electricity.
Kinda like 3 minutes with out air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water.
Shelter for most is = to electricity.
What a silly notion. Preppers should do basic self defense,
Then air, water and food.
On a side note.. Am I the only one with hot and cold running water all solar powered?
The cold side
Deep well pumps to a cistern. Small pump used to pressurize the house system. Both 12v and run off solar power and batteries.
The hot side
Solar water heater and hot water coil on wood stove with a circulation pump that runs off 12v solar system.
The system heats a large Insulated hot water tank in the basement. A large heat exchanger in the tank heats the potable water.
The system is sized for normal living and can produce about 300 gallons of potable water at the sink both hot and cold. The water heaters can produce about 60 gallons of 120 degree water per day.
Total system cost was about 2500 dollars. (mostly the deep well pump.) I was replacing the well pump at the time and just made it fancy!
Then air, water and food.
On a side note.. Am I the only one with hot and cold running water all solar powered?
The cold side
Deep well pumps to a cistern. Small pump used to pressurize the house system. Both 12v and run off solar power and batteries.
The hot side
Solar water heater and hot water coil on wood stove with a circulation pump that runs off 12v solar system.
The system heats a large Insulated hot water tank in the basement. A large heat exchanger in the tank heats the potable water.
The system is sized for normal living and can produce about 300 gallons of potable water at the sink both hot and cold. The water heaters can produce about 60 gallons of 120 degree water per day.
Total system cost was about 2500 dollars. (mostly the deep well pump.) I was replacing the well pump at the time and just made it fancy!
Bardou
Veteran Member
I live within 1 mile of a lake that's at 974 feet, and another reservoir within 2 miles that's full and free clean water filling station. Reservoir water treatment plant is ran on solar power with other backup. I'm not concerned. Got water stored for in a real pinch.
China Connection
TB Fanatic
Two big water tanks gravity fed.
1911user
Veteran Member
This info may deserve it's own thread in the Prep section in the future, but I'll drop it here for now.
This 28 page service bulletin covers how to use pool shock to cleanse pools, disinfect water (treatment plant down to individual use), cleanse equipment, agricultural uses, house disinfection after flooding, etc.
This is worthy of downloading and saving in multiple locations. It's the real deal on how to use calcium hypochlorite (powdered bleach AKA pool shock).
https://www.westlake.com/safety_gui...t 73 Service Bulletin approved 02-14-2014.pdf <---------------------- Service Bulletin link
It was written and EPA approved in 2014 by the company that sells this pool shock: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F44CVMQ
This was written by one company but applies to all roughly 70% calcium hypochlorite-only pool shock. You don't have to buy the 50 pound bucket for $128 (amazon link above) for the use instructions to apply. It would be a nice start for a small improvised water treatment plant though.
This 28 page service bulletin covers how to use pool shock to cleanse pools, disinfect water (treatment plant down to individual use), cleanse equipment, agricultural uses, house disinfection after flooding, etc.
This is worthy of downloading and saving in multiple locations. It's the real deal on how to use calcium hypochlorite (powdered bleach AKA pool shock).
https://www.westlake.com/safety_gui...t 73 Service Bulletin approved 02-14-2014.pdf <---------------------- Service Bulletin link
It was written and EPA approved in 2014 by the company that sells this pool shock: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F44CVMQ
This was written by one company but applies to all roughly 70% calcium hypochlorite-only pool shock. You don't have to buy the 50 pound bucket for $128 (amazon link above) for the use instructions to apply. It would be a nice start for a small improvised water treatment plant though.
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Thunderbird
Veteran Member
Some folks simply do not broadcast the extent of their preps. OPSEC, have you ever heard of it?
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Or, you could look at it as a customer base...
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A 10 foot, 4 inch section of pipe cut into 10, 1 foot long sections, with a cap glued on one end and a rope tied through a hole in the open end does a FINE job of pulling about a half a gallon at a time out of a well or river for ten people.
A 5 gallon pickle bucket can easily be made into a sand filter. And some restaurants are getting rid of them all the time, so you can start collecting them now for next to no money. Plus, grab a few of them along with a few toilet seats and use that with 13 gallon trash bags for the other end of the biological process....
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I have both DC high and low pressure pumps and a few AC ones, and LOTS of inverters.
Loup
homecanner1
Veteran Member
rule #1 of all prep locations: where is your water?
intothatgoodnight
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Water?
That's the easy part.
Having enough bourbon to go with it...that's a whole 'nuther deal.
That's the easy part.
Having enough bourbon to go with it...that's a whole 'nuther deal.
Move to Kentucky.
jward
passin' thru
Thanks! Time for another order of charred oak barrels... appreciate the memory jog ; )
hardrock
Veteran Member
Live very close to a lake that is over 90 miles long with 714 miles of shore line. Private, secluded path to it w/ diesel tractor w/ pto driven pump for the 8 barrels if needed. Also about a thousand gal of clean water stored at home. Closest neighbor over a mile away.
The folks on this forum are not what you think they are.
Might need to rethink your premise.
The folks on this forum are not what you think they are.
Might need to rethink your premise.
bbbuddy
DEPLORABLE ME
Aaaand that's why we have a well pump that works off of solar, as well as a 3,00 gallon water tank.
Bumpkin
Old enough to know better
Quietly pipe in into your property NOW
Profit of Doom
Dismember
“In 20 ys of watching TB2K, I have seen only one Prepper who understands the chokepoint in prepping.”
Who is or was that single rocket surgeon?
Who is or was that single rocket surgeon?
I have found that rainwater has a sorta scum/film? so that when I use the Berkey, it requires cleaning/replacement more often
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
One drilled well powered by solar. Two shallow wells, powered by bucket.
The rain falls on the good and th bad alike.
The Troke is right though: three days without water and 90% are fooked.
The rain falls on the good and th bad alike.
The Troke is right though: three days without water and 90% are fooked.
Broken Arrow
Heathen Pagan Witch
Ive got a windmill driven pump, which can double as hand driven should the wind not keep up with demand, and electric driven. Plus multiple storage containers and bleach, should I have to source water elsewhere
Not to worry,it will be the same with all the things that people prep for.You have a few that will and very many that will not.A small portion of those out of ignorance,the vast majority out of stupidity.They know better,just won't do better.Almost everyone that is awake,aware,and doing have a plan for water.
Haha! It's just that so many have been living this so long we don't even mention it any more.