Vote Advice for Trump AND Trump supporters

Advice for Trump AND Trump supporters

Trump says he loves America,, same with his supporters,,

I am willing to take you at your word, so please just hear me out.

The venomous hate shown and bashing of the other Republican nominee's , and especially their supporters,
should stop if you truly love America.

If trump wins the nomination,,, he CAN NOT win without the other candidates cross over votes,, period.

You DO know this don't you ? Trump,,, his supporters,, and this country
needs us potential cross over votes
or this last chance at saving America from the tyrannical democrats is gone.

So if you all truly love America ,, you need to stop being so hateful and insulting to us.

Maybe not all,, but too many,, will eventually punch back after getting punched continuously ,,,,,

Don't push cross over voters into such animosity that we stay home and don't cast a vote.

If that happens,, its over and the America you say you love is toast.
Gone and 'gone for ever.

Now at this point i need to offer an observation,,, limited from not being omnipresent,, it is just what i have seen.

I have seen many other candidate supporters say they will vote for Trump if he is the nominee.


But I've noticed this number is diminishing daily,

as the direct and stated result

of the above mentioned hostility to the other repub candidates and their supporters.


I have seen NO trump candidates say they will vote for anyone other than Trump if he is not the nominee.

With this Trump supporter attitude,, if any other candidate becomes the nominee,
,, trump and his supporters will
be Killing the country they claim to love.

IF they continue to alienate the cross over voters ,
trump and his supporters will also
be Killing the country they claim to love.


If you love America,, quit bashing the other repub candidates and their supporters.

If you love America,, you need to vote for the republican candidate
even if its NOT trump.

Every uncast republican vote is a missed vote against the democrats.

Now it may result in the loss of the country
if any other republican candidate other than Trump
takes the presidency
and governs like a rino/democrat,,

, but it is not a foregone conclusion,,, just a possibility.

It IS a forgone conclusion that if the democrats take the presidency,, its over for the America that you love.

So i beg Trump,,, and his supporters ,,, STOP attacking your side of the isle,

it is YOUR hostility that is diminishing the cross over voters.

,, don't diminish the cross over voters ANY FURTHER,,
, or it will be YOUR behavior that instigated it,
if those you bashed stay home,


and the America you say you love dies.

I'm taking Trump
and his supporters at their word that they love America,,,

so just a suggestion ,,, prove it !

You want to attack someone,,, attack the democrats.

Stop the bashing.

That means you first Donald,,,
your followers are following your lead,,

and this leading the bashing

is not what a person who loves this country should be doing.

You have GOT to know this !
And if you don't,, know it now,

, keep it up,, and it will continue to appear to me and
growing numbers of potential cross over voters ,,
that you really don't love America ,,,

you just love Trump.

Again,,, if you love this country
Donald Trump
and his supporters

,,,please,, stop the bashing.

I will admit , here and now,,
Ive not been completely innocent of throwing some barbs out there

but i am ready to call for for a truce and abide by it /-)

i now stand by to see if its MY TURN to get bashed
for just saying this.

i hope not.

i don't hate Trump , or his followers,, and i DO know ,,,bottom line

that WE ALL just want to SAVE our country .




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I won't insult or say nasty things any TB2 members. Unless they say about me first! But even then I'll try to be nice.

I will type out the truth as best as I understand it and post articles about candidates, though. I just know with every fiber of my being that no candidate will fight the entrenched corruption as Trump will, and all if not most (not Carson, for instance) are part of the corruption edifice.

It has to run both ways Cruz. The other candidates' supporters on TB2K need to stop provoking and name calling the Trump supporters as well. Though many here claim to be Christians, it's REALLY hard putting into practice the 'turn the other cheek' exhortation.

When they run a true conservative QUALIFIED republican candidate, I will support him. I will write in Trump and I will not vote ever again for the lesser of two evils, done that and have paid the price.

Another member who doesn't understand the concept that the time for niceties has passed. We are at war.

cuz1961, you seem like a nice person and I've always loved your cat pictures but you haven't been listening to what people have been telling you over the years.

We are at the tipping point as a nation. The people that brought us here are from the same cut as the people who are currently running for office. Bought and paid for politicians whose only interest is continuing to be bought and paid for politicians.

Your candidate is the red side of the blue coin; you need to understand that.
Do you not see what we show you?

There can be no "if this one doesn't get it, we can vote for that one."

I don't care about social issues at this time, I don't care about personalities... I care about this country and the direction it's headed in. I care about stopping the immigration problem, I care about bringing jobs back, I care about pulling the economy back from the edge.

Sorry, but for me, it's Trump 2016 all the way to November.

And Trump is socially conservative. He just isn't quite pure enough for some people, because of exceptions for rape, incest and life of mother; I guess. I'm as socially conservative as anyone and I would not stomach voting for anyone who was not pro-life, but Trump's social conservative creds are good enough for me. Why? Because of all his other characteristics and positions, his FIGHTING spirit, his SELF FUNDING - not a politiwhore like everyone else - he means what he says and says what he means, he's had the guts to say "close the borders", "deport them all", "No MORE MOZLEMS", and lots of other positions, written up in black and white on his website.

He's the only one with the guts and wits to turn our country from the very brink of the abyss. So what if he's had 3 wives and has funny hair.

Everyone who posted after Cuz is totally correct. We are past time to play nice in the sandbox at recess time. The other candidates pulled some dirty moves this past week in Iowa. Trump told the citizens about some of those dirty tricks.

It's ok for the other candidates to play dirty pool but when Trump calls them out on these things, it's not ok?

Sorry Cuz, you are a sweet guy but, it's too late to play nicey nice. Like Packy said above, it's an all out war for our country now.

Be Well said:

And Trump is socially conservative. He just isn't quite pure enough for some people, because of exceptions for rape, incest and life of mother; I guess. I'm as socially conservative as anyone and I would not stomach voting for anyone who was not pro-life, but Trump's social conservative creds are good enough for me. Why? Because of all his other characteristics and positions, his FIGHTING spirit, his SELF FUNDING - not a politiwhore like everyone else - he means what he says and says what he means, he's had the guts to say "close the borders", "deport them all", "No MORE MOZLEMS", and lots of other positions, written up in black and white on his website.

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I think this may be part of the problem here. Everyone MAY have a different definition of "socially conservative." Just like everyone here has a different definition of "Christian."

Now the Cruz supporters, here and in Iowa obviously don't include "telling the truth" and "playing fair" as Christian values like a lot of followers of Jesus would.

And the Trump supporters here and probably all around obviously don't think Trump's 3 marriages, his ego, his willingness to work with "the other side," the fact that he gave the Clinton Foundation (not just Hillary's and others' campaigns) big bucks, and the fact that he evolved from pro-choice to pro-life (with exceptions) as social conservative like a lot of true social conservatives would.

So we have a difference of definitions, based on each person's view of reality, not to mention their FEELINGS. Cause that's what our fights are really all about, right? Our "feelings" about our candidates.

I will say I am quite wide-eyed on Trump's negatives. I am not happy that he gave money to the Clinton Foundation. I am not happy that he has so many friends on the other side. I am not content with the fact that he truly hasn't defined a lot of his stances. I truly don't know what "kind" of judges he would appoint. In effect, I know very little about who he is now issue-wise and what he will do. I am posting this because I want everyone to know I am aware of the unknowns in Mr. Trump and am not some wide-eyed sheep who will defend him to my death.

What I feel are two things: 1) He has good business sense now or he wouldn't have the money he has, and 2) He really does love this country.

As far as positive facts that I know? 1) I know he is not a politician. 2) I know he is self-funding. 3) And I know he doesn't believe in political correctness. 4) Oh, and I know the elites don't want him to be President.

Keeping my "feelings" out of it, those above (highlighted in red) factual reasons are the only reasons I am, not only voting this year, but voting for him.

Wise Owl said:

Everyone who posted after Cuz is totally correct. We are past time to play nice in the sandbox at recess time. The other candidates pulled some dirty moves this past week in Iowa. Trump told the citizens about some of those dirty tricks.

It's ok for the other candidates to play dirty pool but when Trump calls them out on these things, it's not ok?

Sorry Cuz, you are a sweet guy but, it's too late to play nicey nice. Like Packy said above, it's an all out war for our country now.

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^^^^THIS^^^^

IF TRUMP is not elected POTUS, then America will continue its slide down the slippery slope of Marxism....not that he can stop it...but he will slow it down a little.

I applaud Cuz for his/her post and, until recently, felt the same way. As more information is coming out I now know that if Trump gets the nomination I will not go to the polls to vote. Unfortunately, more and more people that I know are saying the same thing. It bothers me that I have to do that but it is my opinion that Trump is just as bad, if not worse, than Bernie or Hilary. I no longer believe he is the lessor of two evils. He is on par with those evils. I know that this opinion will be trashed by those that think Trump holds the key to turning the country around. I think he is the right wing Obama, who talks in generalities and commits to no details, and Americans are so angry that they will vote for him simply because he is saying what we all want our politicians to say but never do. But saying is not doing and Trump has never walked his talk. Making America great can be interpreted any way the listener wants it to be interpreted and I believe Trump and his campaign know that when emotions guide our decisions we make assumptions that can be very dangerous.

I'm not happy with several of the things that went on at the Iowa caucusus and will continue to watch all the candidates and their actions. But I now know that Trump is no longer an option for me. Just as the Trump supporters want their views listened to and respected, I hope my views will get the same consideration. Voicing differing opinions is fine but using Trump's methods of attacking anyone who dares to disagree only makes my decision to not vote at all if Trump is the nominee more logical. Attacks prevent respectful discussion and that does seem to be the intent here and the way Trump handles anything that goes against him. I can't help wonder who Trump will attack when president.

Willow

Willow said:

I applaud Cuz for his/her post and, until recently, felt the same way. As more information is coming out I now know that if Trump gets the nomination I will not go to the polls to vote. Unfortunately, more and more people that I know are saying the same thing. It bothers me that I have to do that but it is my opinion that Trump is just as bad, if not worse, than Bernie or Hilary. I no longer believe he is the lessor of two evils. He is on par with those evils. I know that this opinion will be trashed by those that think Trump holds the key to turning the country around. I think he is the right wing Obama, who talks in generalities and commits to no details, and Americans are so angry that they will vote for him simply because he is saying what we all want our politicians to say but never do. But saying is not doing and Trump has never walked his talk. Making America great can be interpreted any way the listener wants it to be interpreted and I believe Trump and his campaign know that when emotions guide our decisions we make assumptions that can be very dangerous.

I'm not happy with several of the things that went on at the Iowa caucusus and will continue to watch all the candidates and their actions. But I now know that Trump is no longer an option for me. Just as the Trump supporters want their views listened to and respected, I hope my views will get the same consideration. Voicing differing opinions is fine but using Trump's methods of attacking anyone who dares to disagree only makes my decision to not vote at all if Trump is the nominee more logical. Attacks prevent respectful discussion and that does seem to be the intent here and the way Trump handles anything that goes against him. I can't help wonder who Trump will attack when president.

Willow

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Willow, I understand what you are saying and if I try to relate to the above, I guess I could compare your statement with the RABID Paul supporters in 2008 and 2012 who ended up turning off THIS supporter so much that I didn't even bother to vote. And Trump supporters, I think we all need to reflect back on those Paulbots and not repeat the turn-off that they doused on thousands of people.

That said, Willow....I can't recall a single post of yours where you were 'undecided' about Trump. Maybe my brain is failing me, and if so I apologize, but could you show me one prior post of yours since Trump announced where you seem to be 'middle-of-the-road' instead of dead-set against Trump? Because I think your statements that I bolded are disingenuous at best since what I recall from your political posts was that you were never in Trumps corner. If I am wrong, please show me the link and give me the post # that shows you were considering him BUT NOW due to his lack of stands and his supporters, you are not.

Buick Electra said:

Willow, I understand what you are saying and if I try to relate to the above, I guess I could compare your statement with the RABID Paul supporters in 2008 and 2012 who ended up turning off THIS supporter so much that I didn't even bother to vote. And Trump supporters, I think we all need to reflect back on those Paulbots and not repeat the turn-off that they doused on thousands of people.

That said, Willow....I can't recall a single post of yours where you were 'undecided' about Trump. Maybe my brain is failing me, and if so I apologize, but could you show me one prior post of yours since Trump announced where you seem to be 'middle-of-the-road' instead of dead-set against Trump? Because I think your statements that I bolded are disingenuous at best since what I recall from your political posts was that you were never in Trumps corner. If I am wrong, please show me the link and give me the post # that shows you were considering him BUT NOW due to his lack of stands and his supporters, you are not.

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I am having that same problem in trying to remember Willow EVER saying she was considering Trump. EVER......

At the very beginning I was on the fence about all the candidates. As I did the research I decided Trump wasn't my guy but, if he was the nominee I would vote for him. That was basically as the lessor of two evils. As more information comes out and I have had many opportunities to listen to Trump himself, I cannot justify voting for 'my' lessor of two evils. I am no different than the Trump supporters in saying I cannot vote for a candidate. It just happens that the person I can no longer vote for, no matter what, is Trump.

I have been trying hard to avoid my decision about Trump and finally decided about a week ago that there was just no way I could give him my vote. But I also cannot give Hillary or Bernie my vote so I am left with the prospect of sitting home. Not an option that I like at all. But, based on how many Trump supporters say they won't vote for anyone else, it looks like many will be sitting this election out.

Willow

Willow said:

At the very beginning I was on the fence about all the candidates. As I did the research I decided Trump wasn't my guy but, if he was the nominee I would vote for him. That was basically as the lessor of two evils. As more information comes out and I have had many opportunities to listen to Trump himself, I cannot justify voting for 'my' lessor of two evils. I am no different than the Trump supporters in saying I cannot vote for a candidate. It just happens that the person I can no longer vote for, no matter what, is Trump.

I have been trying hard to avoid my decision about Trump and finally decided about a week ago that there was just no way I could give him my vote. But I also cannot give Hillary or Bernie my vote so I am left with the prospect of sitting home. Not an option that I like at all. But, based on how many Trump supporters say they won't vote for anyone else, it looks like many will be sitting this election out.

Willow

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As more information comes out??? What information??? You and JGF keep talking about this elusive red unicorn information that has come out about Trump but apparently you tow are the only ones privy to this information because I haven't seen it. There has been, however, new information has come out, information that has been quite damning, about the Cuban usurper Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and for some queer reason this makes people flock to them and in huge droves, and this I do not understand.

My dad is a Cruz supporter and I am a Trump supporter of sorts. I am not or have ever been a bumper sticker, flag waving, sign holding type. I just like the guy. I told my dad months ago that I would vote for anyone on the Republican ticket that got the nomination as long as it wasn't Jeb or Rubio. I told him that I like Trump but Cruz will do. I have to tell you, it has gotten weird. I called him yesterday thinking we would talk about the unforeseen surge of Rubio but instead he got down right nasty about Cruz winning Iowa. Gloating and taunting me in a pretty nasty way for being a Trump supporter. Saying that he would stay home instead of vote for Trump, etc. So I am not sure what's up with Cruz and his supporters but maybe they could try not to be too nasty as well. As far as me, I have had my last political chat with my dad. Normal back and forth has left the building.

Willow said:

At the very beginning I was on the fence about all the candidates. As I did the research I decided Trump wasn't my guy but, if he was the nominee I would vote for him. That was basically as the lessor of two evils. As more information comes out and I have had many opportunities to listen to Trump himself, I cannot justify voting for 'my' lessor of two evils. I am no different than the Trump supporters in saying I cannot vote for a candidate. It just happens that the person I can no longer vote for, no matter what, is Trump.

I have been trying hard to avoid my decision about Trump and finally decided about a week ago that there was just no way I could give him my vote. But I also cannot give Hillary or Bernie my vote so I am left with the prospect of sitting home. Not an option that I like at all. But, based on how many Trump supporters say they won't vote for anyone else, it looks like many will be sitting this election out.

Willow

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Well Willow, though you SAY you were "on the fence" about Trump, you seem to have no posts to back that up. Therefore, you are asking me to believe what you are saying now, and frankly I do not. I think "pretending" to be contemplative, and seeming to weigh the pluses and minus' of each candidate so as to come off as a "fair & balanced" voter weighing the options, is about as fair and balanced as Fox news.

Please don't be a phony. I have more respect for people who say, "I haven't liked Trump from the moment he announced and I will never vote for him." What you just tried to pull is much like what all the professional politicians doing - talking out both sides of your mouth.

Done.

BillyT said:

My dad is a Cruz supporter and I am a Trump supporter of sorts. I am not or have ever been a bumper sticker, flag waving, sign holding type. I just like the guy. I told my dad months ago that I would vote for anyone on the Republican ticket that got the nomination as long as it wasn't Jeb or Rubio. I told him that I like Trump but Cruz will do. I have to tell you, it has gotten weird. I called him yesterday thinking we would talk about the unforeseen surge of Rubio but instead he got down right nasty about Cruz winning Iowa. Gloating and taunting me in a pretty nasty way for being a Trump supporter. Saying that he would stay home instead of vote for Trump, etc. So I am not sure what's up with Cruz and his supporters but maybe they could try not to be too nasty as well. As far as me, I have had my last political chat with my dad. Normal back and forth has left the building.

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I think that now that the Cruz supporters are hearing what their Bible-banging candidate did to Carson, and finding out about the lying letter he sent out yesterday, saying he is not backed by any lobbyists ( http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...he-Guy-With-The-Bible-In-Hand-Just-Lied-Again ), when faced with THE TRUTH, I think they figure the best defense is an offense. What I "Believe" is that their conscious is niggling at them about backing such a slimy sock-salesman, and they don't like that niggling, so their trying to stifle it by going on attacks. JMO.

Buick Electra said:

Well Willow, though you SAY you were "on the fence" about Trump, you seem to have no posts to back that up. Therefore, you are asking me to believe what you are saying now, and frankly I do not. I think "pretending" to be contemplative, and seeming to weigh the pluses and minus' of each candidate so as to come off as a "fair & balanced" voter weighing the options, is about as fair and balanced as Fox news.

Please don't be a phony. I have more respect for people who say, "I haven't liked Trump from the moment he announced and I will never vote for him." What you just tried to pull is much like what all the professional politicians doing - talking out both sides of your mouth.

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Let me explain. Contrary to what some may think, many folks do not post every waking thought here on TB. Some also do not discuss every opinion or motive here...and in many cases that lack of posting is directly related to responding posts like the one I just quoted. BE, and others, you have no idea who I am and I have no idea who you are. To decide that someone is phony or pretending just because there is no original post about how I felt a few months ago is bordering on the absurd. And last, I don't give a rip what you think is inside my head. I have been honest about my views and those who choose to have an adult and rational conversation will respect what I wrote, whether they agree or not. And in return I will respect what others write even though I may not find documented proof in their previous posts.

At this point I will say that those who now think I am somehow lying or pretending, and choose to attack my honest postings, are modeling their candidates tactics. Good for you. I hope belittling, attacking, mocking and insulting are methods of shutting down honest discussion that you are proud of.

As for those who think I should list all the things wrong with Trump, just read all the posts here and do a quick Google search. You all have keyboards. Lots of stuff to read and probably much more to come if Trump gets the nomination. It is my opinion, even though I have never stated it before in any other post so I must be pretending, that once Trump is the nominee, all those who support Bernie or Hillary will make public all the dirt that they are holding on to. Make sure Trump is the guy to beat and then crucify him. Maybe I am wrong but that is my opinion. Maybe you should bookmark it just in case I make a comment a few months from now regarding this issue!!!

Willow

BillyT said:

My dad is a Cruz supporter and I am a Trump supporter of sorts. I am not or have ever been a bumper sticker, flag waving, sign holding type. I just like the guy. I told my dad months ago that I would vote for anyone on the Republican ticket that got the nomination as long as it wasn't Jeb or Rubio. I told him that I like Trump but Cruz will do. I have to tell you, it has gotten weird. I called him yesterday thinking we would talk about the unforeseen surge of Rubio but instead he got down right nasty about Cruz winning Iowa. Gloating and taunting me in a pretty nasty way for being a Trump supporter. Saying that he would stay home instead of vote for Trump, etc. So I am not sure what's up with Cruz and his supporters but maybe they could try not to be too nasty as well. As far as me, I have had my last political chat with my dad. Normal back and forth has left the building.

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This is the only place that I discuss politics. I have 2 good friends who are on the fence but both have kids who are strong Trump supporters, so I can at least mention his name without starting a battle.

Willow said:

Let me explain. Contrary to what some may think, many folks do not post every waking thought here on TB. Some also do not discuss every opinion or motive here...and in many cases that lack of posting is directly related to responding posts like the one I just quoted. BE, and others, you have no idea who I am and I have no idea who you are. To decide that someone is phony or pretending just because there is no original post about how I felt a few months ago is bordering on the absurd.

Willow

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I agree that everyone here on TB2K really don't know the other members, much less can get inside their heads. From the posts of yours that I have read (non-political) you seem like a very kind person who is an animal lover and pro-life advocate with a good head on your shoulders. I am only critiquing your forthrightness in your "now's" and "no longers" as quoted below.

That said, your statements below...

I now know that if Trump gets the nomination I will not go to the polls to vote. [...[ I no longer believe he is the lessor of two evils. [...] But I now know that Trump is no longer an option for me.

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as if you had JUST COME TO THIS CONCLUSION again, seems disingenuous. A scant review of your past posts does seem to show that on 7/4/15 you did not think Trump as bad as Obama... (Post #6) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?470979-Trump-Not-Backing-Down So back on 7/4 you truly didn't seem to know what you know now.

Then on 7/23, you "kinda know" you're not going to vote for Trump...(Post #22) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-visit-today&p=5707980&highlight=#post5707980

Then on 8/24 you weren't thrilled with trump but stated you would vote for him if he made the general election "If he was the Conservative" candidate (post #47) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...ld-vote-for)&p=5747321&highlight=#post5747321

But on 8/26, as evidence of your post you PRETTY MUCH KNEW you weren't voting for Trump... (Post #160) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...ld-vote-for)&p=5750591&highlight=#post5750591

Lastly on 8/23 you admit to "disliking and not trusting Trump" (post #73) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-for-America&p=5744493&highlight=#post5744493

So Willow, back toward the end of August 2015, not just today or this week, you knew you didn't like, trust or would be voting for Trump. So why try and make it seem like some revelation just came to you this week?

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^^^^THIS^^^^

IF TRUMP is not elected POTUS, then America will continue its slide down the slippery slope of Marxism....not that he can stop it...but he will slow it down a little.

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There is a good chance that Trump will kick the table over. That is his plan. Anything less will not fix the rot. No one else will even make the attempt to kick it over as they are all "playahs" who don't want it kicked over.

"So Willow, back toward the end of August 2015, not just today or this week, you knew you didn't like, trust or would be voting for Trump. So why try and make it seem like some revelation just came to you this week?''

So because I didn't come to this forum and keep everyone up to date on all my Trump thoughts that means I am somehow pretending and deceiving? Really?! Maybe, just maybe, back then I had some thoughts about the need to vote to keep Hillary or Bernie out and at that time I still needed to consider Trump. So, horror of horrors, I decided (changed my mind)I would hold my nose and vote for Trump. Back then I didn't want to vote for Trump, stated it, and had second thoughts. My crime apparently is not keeping all of you up to date for each change of heart or second thoughts about what I wanted to do.

My God, do you folks have a life other than to follow non Trump supporters around and try to discredit them? On that same note, I've watched as JohnGalt when from a well respected member and resource here to yet another victim of Trump's militia.

So, here is what I have learned. If someone posts something and changes their mind...they damn well better let everyone know or their credibility will forever be in question. If TB doesn't have written proof somewhere, of any relevant thought on a topic, then that thought must not be so. If someone disagrees with a select few here, then no matter what kind of person that person is, or is perceived to be, their views will from that point on, if different, be questioned, trashed and mocked. They will be determined to be lying and trying in some way to deceive. Public ridicule will be the game plan with shaming and hopefully silencing the goal. Sadly, I do believe the Trump Militia is succeeding in silencing many who just don't want to put up with the childish crap.

Last I knew, everyone here had the right to change their mind without notification to anyone. Changing one's mind, without notification, does not mean a cardinal rule has been broken or credibility must be questioned.....unless of course you are a Trump supporter that must question all credibility if it doesn't fit the truth according to you and Trump. Changing one's mind often means that person is keeping an open mind and trying to be fair. As facts emerge, opinions might change....unless you support Trump and then no matter what is said by anyone, if it is against Trump it is wrong and the poster is less than informed.

With apologies to anyone who supports Trump but is not a part of this group who must discredit any thought that isn't positive for Trump.

Willow

This country has not had a non-politician elected to office since Eisenhower was in office (left office in 1961). That's ten presidents spanning 55 years. With the exception of Regan, we have moved further and faster down the rabbit hole and have morphed into a country that would no longer be recognizable by the founders except by name. If you keep electing the same type of candidate into office (politician) you will get the same results coming out of Dee Cee. Garbage in=garbage out. So this time I am leaning towards someone that hasn't made a career out of politics (poli=many; tics=blood suckers). That leaves me with a total of three candidates...Fiorina (snowball's chance), Carson (nice enough but not a leader) and Trump (most likely of the three to actually succeed).

Of the two offerings by the democrats we have Sanders (leftist and a little bit loony) and Clinton (probably more criminal than Al Capone). Of the top three GOP candidates Cruz, Rubio and Trump, only one is not a politi-whore and only one unquestionably meets all the requirements as set down by the Constitution and that's Trump. Some find Trump objectionable in his speech. Well fine. If you want more of the PC crap that we have been fed for the last 20 or so years, go with the establishment guys. Usually what Trump is credited with saying has been taken out of context and made into something entirely different by the media (who hate him because he doesn't play their game) or it is what I've been thinking but didn't have the nerve to say.

By all means vote your conscience but at least vote. As a citizen of this country, it is your privilege, duty and responsibility. Too bad there isn't a "present" box to check.

From who the original tweet (Chad Sweet) came from. CNN picked up his tweet. And then he deleted. Cruz is no outsider!

curlysue said:

From who the original tweet (Chad Sweet) came from. CNN picked up his tweet. And then he deleted. Cruz is no outsider!

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Copying this info about Chad Sweet, germane to this now.

I saw this on Free Republic this morning, Cruz is the insiders' insider. He is Establishment all the way.

In other news:
Meet Chad C. Sweet, Ted Cruz’s campaign chairman, former DoD/CIA/Goldman Sachs/Homeland Security.

Sweet co-founded the Chertoff Group with former Bush and Obama administration Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.

As a leader of the Chertoff Group, Sweet “advocated for expanding NSA metadata collection.”

http://www.chertoffgroup.com/bios/chad-sweet.php

Meet Ted’s ex-CIA PR guy, Dan P. Gabriel. Gabriel is involved in SIGINT aka interception - which is turned into propaganda. His twitter handle is @danpgabriel and he was one of the people pushing the angle that it was confirmed to the Cruz campaign that Carson was dropping out. After called out on the lie, the agent deleted the tweet and denies everything in typical spook fashion:

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Mr. Chad C. Sweet
Co-Founder

Areas of Focus:

Intelligence and counterterrorism

Mergers and acquisitions within the security industry

Investment counsel for private equity targeting the security industry

Cyber security and corporate compliance

Previous Government and Private Sector Service:

Chief of Staff, Department of Homeland Security (2007 – 2009)

Vice President, Goldman Sachs (1996 – 2006)

Investment Banker, Morgan Stanley (1994 – 1996)

Directorate of Operations, Central Intelligence Agency (1990, 1991 – 1993)

Chad Sweet is a Co-Founder of the The Chertoff Group, a global advisory firm and investment bank exclusively focused on the security sector. Mr. Sweet formerly served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Prior to becoming Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet worked as an investment banker at the firms of Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs as well as served in the CIA's National Clandestine Service.

Previously as the Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet helped Secretary Michael Chertoff manage one of the largest federal agencies with approximately 220,000 dedicated homeland security professionals and an annual budget of over $50 billion.

After leaving DHS, Secretary Chertoff and Mr. Sweet co-founded The Chertoff Group to consult with companies and governments on their own security as well to advise on mergers and acquisitions (M&A) in the security industry. With over a decade of investment banking experience, Mr. Sweet has been involved in more than 40 successful sell- and buy-side M&A and capital formation engagements. His recent deals include advising Potomac Fusion on its sale to Sotera, Arlington Capital on its acquisition of FGM and White Oak Technologies to form Novetta Solutions, Veritas Capital on its acquisition of EIG to form "The SI", Waud Capital on its acquisition of Summit Solutions and subsequent merger with Point One to form National Security Partners, Berkshire Partners on its acquisition of ESP, and Safran's acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions, among others.

Mr. Sweet is a FINRA Registered Representative (Series 7, 24, 63, 79) and registered representative of Chertoff Capital, LLC, a wholly-owned broker dealer subsidiary of The Chertoff Group. He is a member of The Association for Corporate Growth National Capital Chapter, GEN NEXT, and the Young Presidents' Organization (YPO) - U.S. Capital Chapter. He is also a Senior Fellow at the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute, a Member of the FBI's InfraGard Advisory Board, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Naval Analysis, and a frequent commentator on national security issues for CNN, FOX, and CNBC. Mr. Sweet graduated with honors from Columbia University.

curlysue said:

From who the original tweet (Chad Sweet) came from. CNN picked up his tweet. And then he deleted. Cruz is no outsider!

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Cruz has NEVER EVER been an outsider! His wife was a top dog in Bush Sr.'s administration, and then became a Veep at Goldman Sachs. You can damn well believe he made lots of insider connections through his wife, and why wouldn't his chief aim in life was for POTUS?

To me, anyone who supports CRUZ simply hasn't done due diligence and research.

TRUMP 2016

JF&P said:

To me, anyone who supports CRUZ simply hasn't done due diligence and research.

TRUMP 2016

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Should I assume you have been sitting on my shoulder while I do my research? Had I known you were there observing my research I would have offered you refreshments. Must have been hell sitting for hours without even an acknowledgement on my part...or the part of any other that you observed so you could make that informed statement.

Willow

Be Well said:

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I said in post #19.......I hope belittling, attacking, mocking and insulting are methods of shutting down honest discussion that you are proud of.

And we appear to have a winner. Thanks for backing up my post.

Willow

Willow said:

I said in post #19.......I hope belittling, attacking, mocking and insulting are methods of shutting down honest discussion that you are proud of.

And we appear to have a winner. Thanks for backing up my post.

Willow

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I was OK with Cruz until he sent out the shaming letter.

That caused me to revisit the other accusations about him.

But that letter in itself was a deal-breaker.

Granted, if he gets the nomination, I will vote for him........ holding my nose.



As far as all the poo-flinging here and people getting apoplectic about every tidbit of dirt that comes out........(shrug) its entertaining to a degree.

You will notice that the prior military people don't get their knickers in a twist about it...for the most part, they survived basic training and recognize simple manipulation tactics that are flung against the wall to see what will stick.

Milwright,

I also didn't like that letter and made me look at others. I'm still a Cruz supporter but also watching him carefully. No candidate is perfect so we all have to decide what we will and will not allow.

Willow

All this hullabaloo will take place 4 years from now with people saying "only Trump or Cruz or whoever" can save us now.
Nope, none of them will save us. If we the people can't or won't stand up against the tyranny, this country is headed down the tubes.

I have to admit, after doing some research, Trump and Carson supporters are right about the Iowa Caucus and Ted Cruz. In fact Sarah Palin reinforced that fact on her Facebook page also.

I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Sarah Palin, Ben Carson, and
Donald Trump have a valid point about the Iowa outcome using logic and
intuitive reasoning, just like they do.

During the Iowa Caucus, Ted Cruz's staff prepared to help alter the results you saw because the poll are never wrong of course.

The campaign manager for Team Cruz had a plan to deploy 800 high altitude
foil wrapped unicorns all trained to fly over each Iowa county in
continuing holding patterns for up to 4 hours. As these unicorns were
wearing tinfoil, this would disrupt the cell phone signals being used to
transmit the voting results back to RNC headquarters.

However, this was not standard Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil.

This was a special foil purchased by Team Cruz which was composed of a rare
mineral called Magnesitwitterium and is purple colored in nature. The
Magnsitwitteium is only mined in Azkaban by imprisoned muggles so it is
considered a neutral metal until converted to foil and comes into the
contact of unicorn fur and high frequency (UHF) radio signals.

This meant that the first radio signals it received would keep the pattern
memorized and whatever signal bounced off of it, changed to what was
memorized by the Magnsitwitteium.

As the signals came down, they would convert all of the votes for Trump, Carson, Rubio, and Bush over to Cruz votes thus guaranteeing him the election.

Sadly, due to 793 of the unicorns flying in too late from Texas due to the TSA holding them up at DFW airport, only seven were successfully deployed which barely deprived Donald Trump of his victory.

sunny225 said:

All this hullabaloo will take place 4 years from now with people saying "only Trump or Cruz or whoever" can save us now.
Nope, none of them will save us. If we the people can't or won't stand up against the tyranny, this country is headed down the tubes.

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All nice and everything, but do you have any specific ideas of how to lead a mass peoples' revolution or whatever it might be that you think would work?

I just heard what Cruz did about the voting violation paper is a misdemeanor. He attempted to make this paper look valid and used some government

paper to fool the public into believing it was a direct order from the gov.

I'm sure it's on the news by now, so I'm not going to track it down. I just heard it on "the Five" on Fox and Geraldo Rivera is the one who broke this news. I don't care if you hate him or not. All I want to know is ....is he right or not?




Just heard it again on Brett Baires show on Fox.

JohnGaltfla said:

I have to admit, after doing some research, Trump and Carson supporters are right about the Iowa Caucus and Ted Cruz. In fact Sarah Palin reinforced that fact on her Facebook page also.

I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Sarah Palin, Ben Carson, and
Donald Trump have a valid point about the Iowa outcome using logic and
intuitive reasoning, just like they do.

During the Iowa Caucus, Ted Cruz's staff prepared to help alter the results you saw because the poll are never wrong of course.

The campaign manager for Team Cruz had a plan to deploy 800 high altitude
foil wrapped unicorns all trained to fly over each Iowa county in
continuing holding patterns for up to 4 hours. As these unicorns were
wearing tinfoil, this would disrupt the cell phone signals being used to
transmit the voting results back to RNC headquarters.

However, this was not standard Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil.

This was a special foil purchased by Team Cruz which was composed of a rare
mineral called Magnesitwitterium and is purple colored in nature. The
Magnsitwitteium is only mined in Azkaban by imprisoned muggles so it is
considered a neutral metal until converted to foil and comes into the
contact of unicorn fur and high frequency (UHF) radio signals.

This meant that the first radio signals it received would keep the pattern
memorized and whatever signal bounced off of it, changed to what was
memorized by the Magnsitwitteium.

As the signals came down, they would convert all of the votes for Trump, Carson, Rubio, and Bush over to Cruz votes thus guaranteeing him the election.

Sadly, due to 793 of the unicorns flying in too late from Texas due to the TSA holding them up at DFW airport, only seven were successfully deployed which barely deprived Donald Trump of his victory.

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Nice John, real nice. And yet right now on KCCI Channel 8 (CBS) caucus goers are coming forward to give interviews that their caucus chairs were telling them that Cruz's people contacted them to let them know that Carson was dropping out of the race so please consider this when voting tonight.

Willow said:

Should I assume you have been sitting on my shoulder while I do my research? Had I known you were there observing my research I would have offered you refreshments. Must have been hell sitting for hours without even an acknowledgement on my part...or the part of any other that you observed so you could make that informed statement.

Willow

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You can get as snarky as you wish here...that's what forums are for....LOL

One was lured in with Kool-Aid and captured