INTL Yemen’s Houthi rebel leader Abdel Malek al-Houthi declare US Navy ships as targets. They have effectively declared war.

jward

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Intelschizo
@Schizointel

Yemen’s Houthi rebel leader Abdel Malek al-Houthi declare US Navy ships as targets. They have effectively declared war. Stating that the position of the Houthis is to engage in Hostile actions against the United States with force. Permission to fire back would be nice.

Similar to the founding of the US Navy in 1794 which was created to make a naval force, adequate to the protection of the United States against the Algerian Corsairs. The US Navy today must use its naval force to protect the United States against Houthi forces and its allies to include Somali Privateers, and other Iranian sponsored illicit non state actors.
 

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Intelschizo
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21DEC2023 Updated map of warships operating in Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea.

Updates:

ENS Alexandria (F-911) spotted in Djibouti Port December 10, 2023
Likely Operating in Red Sea at this time.

Egypts Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry stated "Countries on the Red Sea have a Responsibility to protect it" and " We continue to cooperate with many of our partners to provide suitable conditions for the freedom of navigation in the Red Sea"

Greece Defense Minister Nikos Dendias announced following an order from Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis Greece will be participating in Operation Prosperity Guardian and will be sending a Frigate of the Hellenic Navy.

Further comments include
"The International community is facing a huge security challenge in the area of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, the attacks of merchant ships by members of armed groups, drones and missiles constitute a major threat against human life, the international security and stability of the global economy and citizens prosperity. Greece is a country with the largest maritime fleet has a primary interest in maintaining the freedom of navigation and the protection of lives of sailors. On this issue I also informed during my visit to Cairo the Egyptian side, it is self-evident at the frigate which will participate in the operation and is supplied with necessary self-protection equipment."

JS Akebono (DD-108) spotted in Djibouti Port.

Clarification on
ITS Virginio Fasan (F-591) Will be participating in Operation Atalanta
Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto stated
"Italy will do its part together with the international community to counter terrorist destabilization activity of the Houthi's... It is necessary to increase military presence in the area to create the conditions for stabilization, avoid ecological disaster and prevent a resumption of inflationary pressures."

Does not include all ships under Combined Maritime Force such as CTF 150, CTF 151, CTF 152, CTF 153, Updated all sources used

View: https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/1737855580998619259?s=20
 

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Intelschizo
@Schizointel
21DEC2023 Updated map of warships operating in Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea.

Updates:

ENS Alexandria (F-911) spotted in Djibouti Port December 10, 2023
Likely Operating in Red Sea at this time.

Egypts Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry stated "Countries on the Red Sea have a Responsibility to protect it" and " We continue to cooperate with many of our partners to provide suitable conditions for the freedom of navigation in the Red Sea"

Greece Defense Minister Nikos Dendias announced following an order from Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis Greece will be participating in Operation Prosperity Guardian and will be sending a Frigate of the Hellenic Navy.

Further comments include
"The International community is facing a huge security challenge in the area of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, the attacks of merchant ships by members of armed groups, drones and missiles constitute a major threat against human life, the international security and stability of the global economy and citizens prosperity. Greece is a country with the largest maritime fleet has a primary interest in maintaining the freedom of navigation and the protection of lives of sailors. On this issue I also informed during my visit to Cairo the Egyptian side, it is self-evident at the frigate which will participate in the operation and is supplied with necessary self-protection equipment."

JS Akebono (DD-108) spotted in Djibouti Port.

Clarification on
ITS Virginio Fasan (F-591) Will be participating in Operation Atalanta
Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto stated
"Italy will do its part together with the international community to counter terrorist destabilization activity of the Houthi's... It is necessary to increase military presence in the area to create the conditions for stabilization, avoid ecological disaster and prevent a resumption of inflationary pressures."

Does not include all ships under Combined Maritime Force such as CTF 150, CTF 151, CTF 152, CTF 153, Updated all sources used

View: https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/1737855580998619259?s=20
It’s hard to believe that an armada of that size can’t handle houthis and Iran
 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

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If it floats, and it's houthi, sink it. shore based coast defense missile sites. smoke em. any other missile sites, the same thing. Try to get it all TOT at the same time so they don't know what hit them. No mercy, no quarter. finish this! And a note to Iran, you get in the middle of this, anything that floats including their admirals outhouse goes to the bottom of the ocean next.

Yeah I know, with pudding cup in the whitehouse (or whereever the hell he is today) and Shaka Zulu running things, it's just a nice pipe dream. But damn, we've friggin goat humpers saying they are going to target our grey ships, time to do a nice hard smackdown.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
And since this is ALSO involving AFRICCOM things are likely getting REAL TESTY about now.

****ing Biden must be waiting to lose a Carrier so he can abjectly surrender and turn tail, and stop supporting Israel.......
 

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@Schizointel
21DEC2023 Updated map of warships operating in Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea.

Updates:

ENS Alexandria (F-911) spotted in Djibouti Port December 10, 2023
Likely Operating in Red Sea at this time.

Egypts Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry stated "Countries on the Red Sea have a Responsibility to protect it" and " We continue to cooperate with many of our partners to provide suitable conditions for the freedom of navigation in the Red Sea"

Greece Defense Minister Nikos Dendias announced following an order from Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis Greece will be participating in Operation Prosperity Guardian and will be sending a Frigate of the Hellenic Navy.

Further comments include
"The International community is facing a huge security challenge in the area of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, the attacks of merchant ships by members of armed groups, drones and missiles constitute a major threat against human life, the international security and stability of the global economy and citizens prosperity. Greece is a country with the largest maritime fleet has a primary interest in maintaining the freedom of navigation and the protection of lives of sailors. On this issue I also informed during my visit to Cairo the Egyptian side, it is self-evident at the frigate which will participate in the operation and is supplied with necessary self-protection equipment."

JS Akebono (DD-108) spotted in Djibouti Port.

Clarification on
ITS Virginio Fasan (F-591) Will be participating in Operation Atalanta
Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto stated
"Italy will do its part together with the international community to counter terrorist destabilization activity of the Houthi's... It is necessary to increase military presence in the area to create the conditions for stabilization, avoid ecological disaster and prevent a resumption of inflationary pressures."

Does not include all ships under Combined Maritime Force such as CTF 150, CTF 151, CTF 152, CTF 153, Updated all sources used

View: https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/1737855580998619259?s=20
Sitting ducks, clustered together like that. (I know, the distances probably aren't as close as it appears, but even if the idiots miss one ship with a missile, they're likely to hit another by mistake!

Summerthyme
 

jward

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Javier Blas
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This piece provides a very good background about the complexities about protecting free navigation in the Red Sea (by a former U.K. warship commander) @TomSharpe134
telegraph.co.uk


I’ve commanded a warship. We can’t keep the Red Sea open without strikes on the Houthis
Tom Sharpe 21 December 2023 • 2:11pm
10–13 minutes

Three days ago, Lloyd Austin, the US Secretary of Defence, announced a naval coalition – dubbed Operation Prosperity Guardian – to defend Red Sea shipping from the recent escalation in “reckless Houthi attacks originating from Yemen”.

The Houthi attacks are working. The latest figures from maritime analysis provider MarineTraffic suggest that traffic through the Bab el Mandeb between 15 and 19 Dec is down 14 per cent from 8-12 Dec. If Prosperity Guardian is to succeed that figure needs to return to ‘normal’ for this time of year.

I should say straight away that the route to real success here, as ever, lies ashore between various governments and agencies who look at this issue across the entire region, albeit through their respective specialist lenses. The warship part of the problem that I’ll look at here fits into a much more comprehensive set of discussions and emerging plans.

So far, nineteen countries have signed up to Prosperity Guardian including the US, UK, France, Spain and Italy (these five have committed ships) plus Bahrain, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway and the Seychelles. Nine others do not want to be named for now: a clear indication of the region’s sensitivities. There are some notable absentees: India (although they might send ships), Egypt and Saudi Arabia, for example.

I thought I’d concentrate on what the Prosperity Guardian warships might be asked to do and why. On their own, they will struggle.

Of the countries providing surface combatant warships, the US are likely to have seven (with several in support), the RN has two (with four in support), France one, Spain one and Italy one. No one has formally declared their hand yet so these numbers are based on what is either in the area already or making good speed to get there. For now, let’s call it twelve surface combatants assigned to Prosperity Guardian.

In broad handfuls, there are two threats they will need to deal with. First, they need to defend against the missile and drone threat. So far, ships of the US, Royal and French navies have shot down 36 of these (with the US leading the charge by a distance with 34 kills). While this is impressive, missiles have got through causing damage and in the case of the Norwegian chemical tanker Strinda, starting a fire. How there hasn’t been a major spillage, sinking or fatalities yet is a miracle. There is also a fast attack craft threat (crewed or uncrewed) to be considered. This hasn’t been seen yet but will be familiar to any navy people who have operated in the region.

Second, the warships need to protect against piracy and hijackings of the sort attempted a few times now with success on two occasions. There is also the potential for a mine threat which is a whole different ball game if that comes into play.

The problem right at the start is that the requirements for these two tasks are quite different. The missile-and-drone task requires a line of ships up the eastern side of the Bab el Mandeb channel in clearly defined boxes. The size of these will be determined by the capabilities and range of each ship’s missiles but the aim is to provide a chain through which nothing can pass. One of the ships then acts as the area air warfare commander (AAWC). The AAWC ship coordinates the compilation of a Recognised Air Picture (RAP) across all ships and then allocates weapons accordingly when a threat is detected. This would be a perfect task for HMS Diamond because her radar is excellent but the US have the lead and they are quite mean when it comes to sharing tasks like this so it will likely be allocated to an American Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.

The piracy-and-hijacking task needs a more dynamic, mobile approach as defeating piracy as it is happening inevitably requires the warship to close at high speed and either warn off or disable the pirate boats or helicopter.

History has plenty of examples where tasking like this has been taken on. The classic convoy model of WWII can be discounted. There isn’t space and there aren’t enough ships. Operation Earnest Will of the late 80s in the Gulf was similar in terms of the threat but the number of ships that needed protecting was fewer. Operation Desert Shield in the early 90s had ships checking in at waypoints to be picked up by escorts and also saw merchant ships starting to embark their own missile defence systems, something that carried over to Operation Guardian Mariner in 2003. The anti-piracy efforts of the late noughties and early teens in the Gulf of Aden were over a larger area but more ships were available and the threat was much less sophisticated than what we have seen so far from the Houthis.

This mix of threats in a confined space isn’t unprecedented although the amount of ships that need protecting and the speed of attacking missiles may be.

My money is on a hybrid solution that sees some ships in boxes up the eastern channel and some with a roving commission to attach themselves to ships deemed to be of high importance and to intercept piracy attempts.

Aircraft will have a vital role in all of this, both in terms of contributing to the air picture but also for shooting down drones and engaging pirates. The surface warships have their own helicopters, but the US carrier Dwight D Eisenhower – Ike, now just to the south of the Bab el Mandeb in the Gulf of Aden – will bring hugely greater capability. However the US will not tie up a carrier on a task like this for the long term, so the surface warships will need to be able to do the job on their own.

In maritime terms the bottom of the Red Sea is small. But if you measure the distance from the southern to the northernmost attacks (so far) you are looking at 300 nautical miles. If you give each warship an ambitious 30 mile long box to protect, then you need ten ships for the missile/drone defence task alone. Some missiles carried by the various ships can theoretically cover much greater areas than this, but if a warship cannot detect a drone or a missile it cannot shoot at it: and a sea-skimming aircraft is below the horizon and thus unseen if it is at any great distance. There will also be ships in the task force which only have shorter-ranging missiles, so ten ships for the drone-and-missile barrier is a reasonable assumption.

Of course if you have ten ships on line you need more assigned to the force because they will need to refuel periodically, and at the current rate of missile expenditure, rearm as well. Then you add the roving ships for the piracy task and you quickly run out of ships. So you either make the boxes larger and therefore the defence more porous, or you protect a smaller area. These are the planning conundrums that staff officers in Bahrain will be wrestling with just now.

Then there’s the merchant-to-military interface, so that ships can pass through with the minimum of delay whilst still being protected. Sal Mercogliano does a good job on YouTube describing the complexities of this – there are many. So it will take a while to set this task up and then settle down – it always does. In the meantime you will continue to see some ships taking the option to reroute round the Cape of Good Hope or pause their passage whilst things become clearer.

Not enough warships, the sheer amount of traffic to protect and the complexity of the merchant-military interface are three reasons why I don’t think Prosperity Guardian will work on its own. It is entirely defensive in nature and thus ignores the other tried and tested way of ensuring the safety of ships at sea – destroying the enemy’s ability to threaten them.

That this hasn’t happened already shows just how complex the diplomatic situation across the region is right now. It is also partly because of the difficulties in striking the Houthis a) successfully and b) without escalating the conflict. This would not be the easy hit that many imagine.

Striking back requires precision. The Houthis have learned a great deal from their Iranian masters about mobility – there are no large warehouses or HQs marked “strike here”. So counter-strikes against missile and drone launchers or radar stations will need to be fast, or the target will have gone. This is possible but requires rapid intelligence-to-targeting processes: enter Ike, stage right.

Any attacks also need to be carefully paced if escalation is to be avoided. The Houthis have demonstrated this to perfection. They announced themselves with a bang on 26 October, followed by a few attacks on ships connected to Israel, then a few more on ships going to or from Israel before gradually crescendoing to the less discriminatory model seen today. The Houthis have caused maximum disruption without overstepping the mark and making a strike back unavoidable.

Allied attacks on them need to be similarly careful and the easiest way to do that is on a ‘one out, one in’ model, with launch sites/vehicles struck each time the Houthis make an attack. This can be justified on the international stage as self-defence and has the added benefit of eroding the Houthi will to fight. At the moment they are operating with impunity.

Between now and counter-strikes happening – if they do – Operation Prosperity Guardian is no better than a sticking plaster. Its entirely defensive nature does not appear to be winning over some shipping lines or navies. It is early days though, so the plan should be afforded the benefit of the doubt. However, absent a political or diplomatic solution, I believe that defensive measures will have to be combined with precise, non-escalatory counterstrikes to restore freedom of navigation in this critically important maritime chokepoint.

All of this could, of course, be overtaken by events. What effect will the anticipated (non UN-directed) operational pause in Gaza have, for example?

For now however, it is a sobering thought that a relatively minor terrorist militia group can threaten global trade in this manner. The situation should serve as a stark reminder to governments of the importance of investing properly in the measures required to prevent this from happening again. That is, in navies, to put it bluntly.

Tom Sharpe is a former Royal Navy officer. He was a specialist anti-air warfare officer, and commanded a surface combatant warship
 

Housecarl

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"it is a sobering thought that a relatively minor terrorist militia group can threaten global trade in this manner."

Yeah, particularly when a regional power is arming and supporting them.....
 

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US coalition is falling apart with rumors France is leaving to go protect ships while DoD has virtually abandoned ships idle right NOW within Houthi missile range

I'm also deeply troubled by the sea of US Naval officers & experts here who push back hard on my concerns.
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1737923451019550812?s=20

rt<20m
 

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This is by far the craziest story I have reported on in the 15 years I’ve been CEO of @gCaptain


BREAKING NEWS: Confirmation From Dr Sal on the news about @cmacgm
and the French Navy I posted to my video this afternoon.


Next rumor to confirm is that @JakeSullivan46’s team at White House has running much of the coalition building directly with minimal Us Navy or MARAD involvement… and it’s a total mess!

Why is it a mess? The maritime interests of the nation were left to atrophy by the Obama administration who put a junior white house staffer and them a navy O5 submarine commander in charge of the important US Maritime Administration @DOTMARAD
.

Trump recognized the deficiency and appointed 3 shipowners to his cabinet, put an experienced admiral in charge pf MARAD and opened a maritime desk - heady by a smart and - as @JoshuaSteinman
can confirm - put an ambitious USCG officer- inside the national security council.

On day 1 of the Biden administration they closed the NSC maritime desk leaving the white house without any maritime experience. @SecretaryPete was given DOT as a political favor and MARAD was staffed with a long retired Admiral who had a multi-billion dollar climate change agenda.

This is not a political tweet - much of what the Trump administration tried to accomplish in the Maritime domain failed in the last year or was overturned by entrenched civil servants - but they did have an abundance of Maritime and Navy experts at the highest levels and had a few home runs like the revitalization of Philly shipyard, and the building brand new college training ships.

Biden has no maritime expertise on staff. Furthermore Biden put an army general as secretary defense, and has done a little to nothing to support the US Navy.

tl;dr there is an extreme lack of maritme and naval expertise within this administration.

The result is that the cornerstone of Naval strength - which is not our carrier groups, it is the strength of our allied coalitions - has fallen apart over the course of just a couple of days.

Out of our naval allies, only ten signed up for Operation Prosperity Guardian. Two of those refused to comit any hard assets. Two had few assets to supply. And one - France - stormed out of the first operational meeting in disgust and quit the group to go protect its own ships.

And now the most important waterway of global maritime commerce is blocked to all but French owned ships (they will open it up to EU ships shortly), US flagged ships with sailors aboard sit without protection in the Red Sea, and thousands of ships are going around the Cape of Good Hope emitting untold amount of carbon which the Biden administration claims is a priority.

This is an EPIC failure and a completely avoidable one. The White House has no shipping or naval expertise and should not have taken charge of this operation.

This operation should have been handed off to @SECNAV
with close assistance by @SecretaryPete

I have very little faith in secretary Pete’s Maritime knowledge, but the secretary of the Navy - Carlos del Toro - has done an excellent job in the last few months . He is the one who needs to run point here without interference from @SecDef
and @POTUS

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John Ʌ Konrad V
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US coalition is falling apart with rumors France is leaving to go protect ships while DoD has virtually abandoned ships idle right NOW within Houthi missile range

I'm also deeply troubled by the sea of US Naval officers & experts here who push back hard on my concerns.
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1737923451019550812?s=20

rt<20m
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Begin by attacking Tehran, Iran, the source of the problem.
Blow up all their airports, military bases, Public buildings, blow up all their manufacturing, expressways, electric grid, Banks, Colleges,and warehouses of goods. It will give them something to DO ( repairing the devastation) besides make trouble for the rest of the world.
The destruction will continue till they order their Proxy .terrorist groups to stand down & surrender their weapons.

If Yemen cannot or will not control the houthis, then Yemen, not only the houtis, are the enemy subject to the
same reduction to rubble of their nation next.
I bet if Yemen heeded the warning and had everyone start slaughtering young male (military age ) houthis on sight beginning with their terrorist leaders, they would not have to kill many before the houthi's calmed down. Same with the Ethiopian mercenaries. They'd beat feet home.
 
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Red Sea / Gulf of Aden Situation: Vessel Contingency Updates

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BREAKING: The Wall Street Journal reports that Iranian forces are providing 'real-time intelligence' to Yemen’s Houthis that is being used to 'direct drones and missiles to target ships passing through the Red Sea'

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John Ʌ Konrad V
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BREAKING NEWS: More Trouble for US Red Sea Operation

The good news is Denmark agreed to send ONE staff officer to help protect the Red Sea

The bad news is Spain and Italy are out of the operation and France will only remain if they don't have to follow orders

gCaptain
@gCaptain
The French Navy consented to continue its participation in the US-led coalition, provided that its vessels operate exclusively under French command.

Spain, Italy, France Decline US Command Of Red Sea Operation Prosperity Guardian
 

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Iran may have a frigate in the Red Sea, along with a base ship.
Mehdi H.
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Iranian Navy currently has the Alvand class frigate IRIS Alborz (72) in the Red Sea.
The "Iranian naval vessels" in this radio communication are likely IRIS Alborz & the forward base Behshad (converted cargo vessel) which replaced the previous damaged base Saviz on Aug 2021.https://twitter.com/mhmiranusa/status/1738077096658739684?s=20
 

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Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) ⚓☠️
@mercoglianos

Iran may have a frigate in the Red Sea, along with a base ship.
Iranian Frigate IRIS Alborz (72)
800px-Maritime_Security_Belt_2019_-_PHOTOEX_%2840%29.jpg


Base Ship Behshad (can you say "SCUD in a bucket"?)

 

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:hmm:

Mick Nicholson
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Given the problems getting a sensible objective and RoE from Washington I wouldn't be surprised if the USN would prefer to operate under a non-US command.

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Yep - if Biden and company are in command the order to attack Colorado will come at any minute! :D
 
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