ECON What It’s Like to Stop Paying Your Taxes

Blacknarwhal

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Here's a little something baffling to kick off your day.

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What It’s Like to Stop Paying Your Taxes​


As told to Luke Winkie
April 13, 202412:00 PM

In What It’s Like, people tell us, well, what it’s like to have experiences many of us have not even imagined. In this entry, we spoke to Jim, a medical professional who hasn’t paid his taxes in a decade. (Jim, understandably, asked to be identified by first name only.) Jim talked to us about how his delinquency started, how it snowballed, and why he’s finally decided to come clean. In addition to being anonymized, this as-told-to interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.


I haven’t filed my taxes for a decade. Well, that’s not entirely true. I did file in 2020, but that was only so I could get the stimulus checks. I’m in my late 40s now, so I’ve been living tax-free since my late 30s. I was living in California, where my expenses are high, and I’ve worked a bunch of odd jobs: call centers, food service, hospitality, bartending, and so on. But most importantly, for a long time, I was an alcoholic. I needed to pay the bills, and the rest of my money went to alcohol. It was a vicious cycle. The IRS would ask me for money that I didn’t have, because I’d already blown

I wouldn’t advise anyone to do this. I knew, from the very first time I didn’t file my taxes, that I would need to face the music someday. But, simply put, I needed the money, and I was at a place in my life where I didn’t really care about the potential consequences. I have a middle-class lifestyle now, but when I first skipped Tax Day, I was making $30,000 a year. And when I looked at all of these billionaires—Bill Gates, Elon Musk—who were getting all of these tax breaks, while I was struggling, it was easy to justify my own delinquency. Those men were getting all of these write-offs, but when I’d go file, I’d either have to pay more or it’d be a wash.


For a while, I would claim nine dependents on my paycheck so my income wasn’t taxed as much each month. It was something I learned from an acquaintance years prior. You’d say that you have nine people dependent on you for half of the year, and for the remaining six months, you switch and say that you’re single—you know, before you actually have to file your taxes. But I never did that latter part. I just rolled through the last decade like I was supporting a gigantic family, without ever actually filing to the IRS.


And you know what? I basically got away with it. The only time I received a call from the IRS was after I filed to get my stimulus check. They told me I owed them some money—like, $700—and I said I’d get back to them. That was it. That was the extent of the conversation. They didn’t say, “Hey, we realized that you haven’t paid your taxes in years.” It was weird. I thought to myself, Man, I’m pretty sure I owe you a lot more than that.


The IRS has called a few more times since then, but I recognize the number and haven’t answered. Eventually, that started to drop off too, and I stopped hearing from them altogether. As it turns out, all you need to do to stop paying your taxes is, well, stop paying your taxes.


The irony is that I have a government job now. They did a background check on me where I had to acknowledge a few DUIs I sustained, and—yes—that I hadn’t paid my taxes. To my surprise, I was still brought on to the team. The hiring manager told me that I needed to get up to speed on my finances. I said something like, “Yeah, I’ll get right on it,” and we haven’t spoken about it since.




But that was still a wake-up call. I went through rehab a few years ago, I’m sober, and I really don’t want to lose this job, which means I figured it was time, finally, to catch up with the IRS and take responsibility for my actions.


So, in 2024, I have started making up for lost time. I filed the last three cycles of my taxes, as far back as 2021. I don’t really know what might happen to me or how the government is going to react. The only interaction I’ve had with the IRS since coming clean is a letter stating that the $70 I was set to get back from my 2023 paperwork would be going toward what I “owed.” The total of the bill is still a mystery to me, but I doubt it’s going to be anything good. One thing is for sure, though: Now that I’m officially in the system, I’m sure I’ll be hearing from them soon.




I’ve done some of my own research into the whole tax-delinquency economy. I saw this ad for a firm that keeps a roster of tax lawyers on staff who would manage all of the bad things that can happen to you if you don’t pay your taxes—wage garnishment, repossession of assets, things like that. The firm tells me that the fee is $8,000 for their services, and I’m like, If I had $8,000, I’d just go pay my taxes!


But I have hope that the IRS is going to treat me with empathy. Hopefully I’ll be able to get on some sort of installment plan and all of this will be behind me. Every April I’d think about how this could be the moment where everything would fall apart. Sometimes I’d even put my forms into TurboTax and stare at the filing button, knowing if I sent off my documents there was no going back: Am I going to get fired? Am I going to go to jail? But then the feeling would subside until the next year and I’d move on. You know what seems priceless to me now? Being free of the stress and anxiety, for the rest of my life.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I got far enough into the article where he mentioned "justify" and that he was an alcoholic. Explains it pretty well. :rolleyes:
At least it sounds like he's remained (ir)responsible for only himself, so will give him scant credit for that. Nobody else will suffer for his choices.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Funny thing about taxes....... you owe and will always owe, but there is an exception to this hard and fast rule!

1) If you owe and have had no contact with the IRS for 10 years after they file a return for you or you file a return and just not pay, they will drop the matter for that year.

In order to succeed at this, you need to have nothing in your name for that period of time. I mean nothing! No bank account, no cars, no cells, nothing!

So if you fail to file for say 10 years, go off grid for 10-12 years after the last return is filed, then you will be scott free......
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
When I bought the house I currently live in we had to delay closing about 3 months because the IRS had a lein on the house about $10k in taxes was going to "drop off" in January and then she'd have less to pay the IRS.

the statute of limitations for them, for some reason, is 10 years. Nothing about no bank account, no contact, nothing like that. 10 years old debt falls off.

This is CURRENTLY happening with a client of mine. Something like $12k will come off in July.

If this guy was making 30k a year and had no assets, HE OWES NO TAXES... They probably owe HIM earned income credits, or whatever they call that sh1t now to redistribute your $$$$ to the bottom 35% who pay NO taxes and reap $10k's worth of benes yearly.

IRS agents make $100k a year. Takes then YEARS to put a case together, take it to court, PROVE YOU OWE IT and then they still can't squeeze blood from a turnip. So they lose money,

The IRS doesn't go after anyone with less than probably half a million in UNFETTERED (no mortgage or other shared ownership) SEIZABLE ASSETS. Anyone who doesn't have something to take QUICK FAST AND NOW... yeah, you just don't owe taxes if you don't have any left over. That's not how it works.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Taxes are a funny thing.

The system works like all real systems are built on faith and it works when most
people are part of the system and voluntarily choose to take part.

The most people is also somewhat built on an idea that the system is fair, impartial and impacts most people.

The system is breaking down by the growing awareness that if you lie cheat and steal and break the law and say you are the child of a totally hypethetical high democrat politician you get off scot free.

Also the democrats have found that power in DC leads to massive increases in personal wealth, I am sure that none of the money is bribes and the water in DC just makes politicians really smart at investing (all of the sudden).

My personal view is just render unto Caesar what is caesar. But I also know democrats have weaponized the government to go after their political enemies so even with using a tax professional if they come after me they will either find some abstract, unknown violation or they will create something.

It’s a sad state for our society but the government, like most of us, has lived well over its means with most of the money squandered, wasted, or just plain stolen. Now the bill comes due and funny but the majority of the new IRS agents are going after people making less than $200,000 a year. Yes seems like a lot but the whole hiring agents to go after the rich like everything these days turns out to be lie.

Taxes are like a rotten tooth. Getting a root canal sucks but letting it go and hoping it solves itself or goes away is not a solution that I believe will work for most people.

The pain from yesterdays ‘root canal’ is still throbbing in my head but the dentist got paid and I will come back again for next years appointment.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Just like everything else in life you have to weigh the risk/reward. You can ignore the IRS, you can cheat the IRS (how do you cheat a cheat?) and you can not file taxes and/or lie through your teeth on your returns. However, they have the color of law on on their side and you can spend your years looking over your shoulder waiting for the boulder to drop on your head.

And they will ignore their own rules. Quite a few years ago I didn't file for several years and had some back taxes that I disputed. The day arrived that I was beyond the statute of limitations but a few months after that they slapped a garnishment on me and I had to live on the minimum allowed (I think $600 a month) for a few years until it was paid off. When I pointed out to them that it was beyond the statute of limitations they basically said 'sue us and 'f' off'.

Now of course if I had the money at that point I could of hired a lawyer and dragged it through court which would of just racked up a lot of lawyer fees I would of still had to pay. The IRS is just one more unconstitutional agency of the Federal government that doesn't work for you and me but has become a rogue agency doing what they want with little to no oversight by our elected officials.
 

FNFAL1958

Senior Member
I'll relate to y'all a story of my turn with the IRS and taxes. In the 2005 economic downturn I was laid off my good paying engineering job, and as a result of construction projects drying up, I had no work for 16 months, so I drew unemployment that 16 months due to government giving everyone an extension on unemployment, I didn't file taxes that year, because in my mind I had not earned any money, I was collecting unemployment insurance as It's called in my state. I got a letter from the funny money collectors telling me I needed to file an income tax return, or they would, again I had not earned any wages, so I didn't. 19 years later I have yet to hear a word from them in any form. I really thought when I filed for my social security it would come back up and I was prepared for that event with savings, just in case, but not a peep from anyone. I found out later that after a set time it becomes a charge off as far as the government is concerned.
I too have tried to find in the code where we are compelled to pay federal taxes and just like those that are far smarter than me could not find it anywhere in the code. We folks are being robbed every year and we just let it happen.
I suspect most politicians know this as well but just keep it under their greedy hats, because if that knowledge got out most government workers and politician's lives' would be worthless for letting it happen and not stopping it.
How else are those same politician's going to get rich if not from our own pockets.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I quit filing in 1997.

In 1999, the notices started coming.

After a month or three of sending them back, I sent a letter to the IRS director in DC, Charles Rossotti, explaining my position.

The notices stopped….._immediately_.

State of Illinois DoR contacted me about two months later.
I sent them a copy and explanation of what I sent to Rossotti.

Haven’t heard from either party, since.

“Paying taxes” to the current overtly corrupt leviathan is signing Lon Horiuchi’s paycheck, at best.

No thanks.

OP is blind leading the blind.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Here's a little something baffling to kick off your day.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.


What It’s Like to Stop Paying Your Taxes​


As told to Luke Winkie
April 13, 202412:00 PM

In What It’s Like, people tell us, well, what it’s like to have experiences many of us have not even imagined. In this entry, we spoke to Jim, a medical professional who hasn’t paid his taxes in a decade. (Jim, understandably, asked to be identified by first name only.) Jim talked to us about how his delinquency started, how it snowballed, and why he’s finally decided to come clean. In addition to being anonymized, this as-told-to interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.


I haven’t filed my taxes for a decade. Well, that’s not entirely true. I did file in 2020, but that was only so I could get the stimulus checks. I’m in my late 40s now, so I’ve been living tax-free since my late 30s. I was living in California, where my expenses are high, and I’ve worked a bunch of odd jobs: call centers, food service, hospitality, bartending, and so on. But most importantly, for a long time, I was an alcoholic. I needed to pay the bills, and the rest of my money went to alcohol. It was a vicious cycle. The IRS would ask me for money that I didn’t have, because I’d already blown

I wouldn’t advise anyone to do this. I knew, from the very first time I didn’t file my taxes, that I would need to face the music someday. But, simply put, I needed the money, and I was at a place in my life where I didn’t really care about the potential consequences. I have a middle-class lifestyle now, but when I first skipped Tax Day, I was making $30,000 a year. And when I looked at all of these billionaires—Bill Gates, Elon Musk—who were getting all of these tax breaks, while I was struggling, it was easy to justify my own delinquency. Those men were getting all of these write-offs, but when I’d go file, I’d either have to pay more or it’d be a wash.


For a while, I would claim nine dependents on my paycheck so my income wasn’t taxed as much each month. It was something I learned from an acquaintance years prior. You’d say that you have nine people dependent on you for half of the year, and for the remaining six months, you switch and say that you’re single—you know, before you actually have to file your taxes. But I never did that latter part. I just rolled through the last decade like I was supporting a gigantic family, without ever actually filing to the IRS.


And you know what? I basically got away with it. The only time I received a call from the IRS was after I filed to get my stimulus check. They told me I owed them some money—like, $700—and I said I’d get back to them. That was it. That was the extent of the conversation. They didn’t say, “Hey, we realized that you haven’t paid your taxes in years.” It was weird. I thought to myself, Man, I’m pretty sure I owe you a lot more than that.


The IRS has called a few more times since then, but I recognize the number and haven’t answered. Eventually, that started to drop off too, and I stopped hearing from them altogether. As it turns out, all you need to do to stop paying your taxes is, well, stop paying your taxes.


The irony is that I have a government job now. They did a background check on me where I had to acknowledge a few DUIs I sustained, and—yes—that I hadn’t paid my taxes. To my surprise, I was still brought on to the team. The hiring manager told me that I needed to get up to speed on my finances. I said something like, “Yeah, I’ll get right on it,” and we haven’t spoken about it since.




But that was still a wake-up call. I went through rehab a few years ago, I’m sober, and I really don’t want to lose this job, which means I figured it was time, finally, to catch up with the IRS and take responsibility for my actions.


So, in 2024, I have started making up for lost time. I filed the last three cycles of my taxes, as far back as 2021. I don’t really know what might happen to me or how the government is going to react. The only interaction I’ve had with the IRS since coming clean is a letter stating that the $70 I was set to get back from my 2023 paperwork would be going toward what I “owed.” The total of the bill is still a mystery to me, but I doubt it’s going to be anything good. One thing is for sure, though: Now that I’m officially in the system, I’m sure I’ll be hearing from them soon.




I’ve done some of my own research into the whole tax-delinquency economy. I saw this ad for a firm that keeps a roster of tax lawyers on staff who would manage all of the bad things that can happen to you if you don’t pay your taxes—wage garnishment, repossession of assets, things like that. The firm tells me that the fee is $8,000 for their services, and I’m like, If I had $8,000, I’d just go pay my taxes!


But I have hope that the IRS is going to treat me with empathy. Hopefully I’ll be able to get on some sort of installment plan and all of this will be behind me. Every April I’d think about how this could be the moment where everything would fall apart. Sometimes I’d even put my forms into TurboTax and stare at the filing button, knowing if I sent off my documents there was no going back: Am I going to get fired? Am I going to go to jail? But then the feeling would subside until the next year and I’d move on. You know what seems priceless to me now? Being free of the stress and anxiety, for the rest of my life.
Not paying taxes would be heaven on earth for me.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
After a month or three of sending them back, I sent a letter to the IRS director in DC, Charles Rossotti, explaining my position.

Okay, pray tell. What did your letter say??

Three basic points, plus apologizing for having mistakenly done business with their office.

The points:

1. Having recently come to an understanding of the nature of oaths, and having had it brought point blank to my attention that Matthew 5:34 and James 5:12 expressly forbid the “follower of Christ” the swearing of oaths……above all things, my Brethren, swear not at all…..
I could no longer mistakenly break faith with my Creator in so signing their 1040, an oath spoken, under penalties of perjury.

2. That oath specifically assures IRS that, among other things, you are a “US citizen”, which, as per the early to mid 1800s legislation creating and defining that status, is a declaration in that you are a black, mullato, Native American or other than White citizen which the early American congress did not want making political decisions in America.
Long story-US citizenship.
Might want to look into it.

To this day, the US Code, in Title 42, draws a clear distinction between White citizens….and US citizens.
Hmmm
Where are all the white citizens ?

3. I could no longer in good faith give the appearance that I was trying to serve two masters….
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sam... are you self employed?

Summerthyme

Well…..at first glance, sort of.

It’s a very long story.

More like a modern day “monk” exercising a stewardship over a farm monastery.

My work has evolved a few times.

When I first quit filing, I was quite in up to my neck in excavating, demolition and metal salvage, interacting with the public on a regular basis with all the bells and whistles.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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So... no W2's ... (I hope I'm not coming across as snarky... that's not my intention at all.)

Summerthyme
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Three basic points, plus apologizing for having mistakenly done business with their office.

The points:

1. Having recently come to an understanding of the nature of oaths, and having had it brought point blank to my attention that Matthew 5:34 and James 5:12 expressly forbid the “follower of Christ” the swearing of oaths……above all things, my Brethren, swear not at all…..
I could no longer mistakenly break faith with my Creator in so signing their 1040, an oath spoken, under penalties of perjury.

2. That oath specifically assures IRS that, among other things, you are a “US citizen”, which, as per the early to mid 1800s legislation creating and defining that status, is a declaration in that you are a black, mullato, Native American or other than White citizen which the early American congress did not want making political decisions in America.
Long story-US citizenship.
Might want to look into it.

To this day, the US Code, in Title 42, draws a clear distinction between White citizens….and US citizens.
Hmmm
Where are all the white citizens ?

3. I could no longer in good faith give the appearance that I was trying to serve two masters….
Sam,

Could you send me a DM on where I can research more on #2? I have seen this referenced before in several places and I am intrigued.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sam,

Could you send me a DM on where I can research more on #2? I am intrigued.

As you and every other breathing American should be…..

Look into the late 1800s “Slaughterhouse cases”.

Some US citizen folks in town owned slaughterhouses, and were subject to codes and such that the non-US cits out in the rural areas, who also owned slaughterhouses….were not.

Pissing match ensued and the court informed the whiners of the distinction.

Also see: “Citizen vs. citizen”, at Covenants of the gods
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
As you and every other breathing American should be…..

Look into the late 1800s “Slaughterhouse cases”.

Some US citizen folks in town owned slaughterhouses, and were subject to codes and such that the non-US cits out in the rural areas, who also owned slaughterhouses….were not.

Pissing match ensued and the court informed the whiners of the distinction.

Also see: “Citizen vs. citizen”, at Covenants of the gods
Wow!

Now this is going to be some interesting reading. Thanks Sam!
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So... no W2's ... (I hope I'm not coming across as snarky... that's not my intention at all.)

Summerthyme

Correction….you mention w2 and my mind went to 1099….

No w2 forms were in evidence when I quit filing, but there were a few straggler 1099s to contend with.

Incidentally, receiving a 1099 is not a death knell to your liberty, but merely a requirement on the part of one who wants to write off the amount they paid you.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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For my brother it was pretty traumatic. He almost lost his mortgage on his home. His paycheck was garnished. Every day they added interest to what was owed. His credit, even after having it paid off for five years, is still bad. He couldn't finance some very needed repairs on his truck (he was a trucker so Big Sis had to do it or he couldn't work). And then when he and his second wife ultimately divorced, it affected her credit as well and she had to pay for some needed medical procedures upfront.

And it doesn't "fall off" after ten years. It still hangs out there. They may just stop trying to collect after 10 years. It depends whether they treat it criminally or not.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don’t recommend stopping cold turkey if you intend to “stay in the game” in any or all other areas of your life.

IRS will check for authenticity/consistency if you make the claims and assertions that I did.

For example….such things as driver license applications, voter registration cards, etc., also require that oath that you are a US citizen….

Now why would “your” government steer the entire population into the most base form of “citizenship” available to an American…..AND entice all such to break faith, with an oath sworn, before they can “do business” with you ?

And for crying out loud, given those dark realities, what relevance have all the lesser details ?
 
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