OT/MISC The REAL reason older men proposition later life women - and no it ISN'T because they think you're sexy

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Nadine Dorries wrote in her column on Tuesday of the men who have suddenly started to proposition her, at the age of 66. Four men in six weeks, with one whispering how sexy he found her over lunch!

They sense she is emerging from the grief which struck after the death of her beloved husband Paul in 2019, she concludes, and that she is radiating a new kind of openness and optimism.

Well, good for her.

But a word of warning, too. Far be it from me to rain on Nadine's parade, but she's not the only one to attract a proposition or two at a later stage of life. And they are not always a cause for unmitigated celebration.

To my continuing surprise, at the age of 79, I too receive frequent, and often very bold, propositions from older men. Why not, you might ask? I am single and unattached (I divorced my husband 35 years ago) in good health and reasonable shape from working out every day. But while they may be after me for my looks and personality, I believe the truth is rather more mercenary.

I am convinced that what they want from me, at least in part, is not my scintillating company, but my money.

I don't mean that they are out-and-out scammers of the kind who reel women in online with lies about who they are.

No, these are real men, our age or older, who see a well-off wife as a ticket not only to fun, but to a very comfortable old age with their feet beneath our well-laden tables.

I have often written about the nice home I've lived in for 14 years, with its three bathrooms, and about my long career as a writer, and it's my firm belief that a section of the male population sees me as a catch because of it.

It's not just me and Nadine. My best girlfriend, a busy interior designer in her late 70s, is also always being propositioned. Another friend, 84, who recently published her first book to much acclaim, says she has an admirer who wants to marry her.

'And he won't take no for an answer,' she told me, even though she repeats it often enough.

Therein, of course, lies the problem. They see us as a catch, but also as women of a certain age who will fall at their feet once shown some attention – hence their confidence (and, as Nadine has discovered, some of these men can be very forthright indeed).

Yet rarely do we see them in the same light.

A few years ago, for example, a complete stranger sent me a message on social media. He said he was an Oxford graduate, had worked in international finance and now ran a publishing company. He wondered whether I might collaborate with him on a book about an interesting subject, so I arranged to meet him for a drink in a London wine bar.

The moment he walked in it became apparent that, where I had looked after myself and my money, he had not.

Dressed in old jeans and a scruffy jacket, aged about 70, within minutes of our meeting, he asked whether I'd ever consider getting married again. The 'date', if that's what it was, did not last much longer. Later I discovered that this international financier and publisher was living in a bedsit on the coast. After two divorces, he had hardly any money left.

Others have been similarly brazen. There was the 70-something who asked me for lunch having followed me on Facebook, only to tell me when we spoke on the phone that he had not worked since he was 50.

We did not click and we did not meet, but it didn't stop him sending messages afterwards saying he was 'lonely' and drinking a bottle of wine all by himself. Another man tried to pick me up on a bus, as though I was a teenager! Since Christmas, there have been two more approaches from probably real men, as opposed to phoney catfishers, asking me for dates.

It used to be thought that older men targeted younger women, but it seems — perhaps thanks to the cost of living — that those days are over.

Karen Mooney, who has run Sara Eden Introductions since 1988, says: 'The goals have completely changed. When I started the agency, I was 30 and 60 seemed ancient. Now I'm in my sixties myself and have many older male clients looking for a partner of the same age. Women are looking after themselves much better; they have had careers, led their own lives, have their own houses, are completely independent and can manage without men.

'Although unattached older men may be looking for a partner their own age without any ulterior motive, it is also true that many are hoping to find a rich widow.

'If you are rich, you will be targeted whatever your age,' Karen adds. 'Whenever a man sees the word 'widow' on an online dating site, he thinks she will be loaded. Men can be vulnerable too, of course, and widowers will also often attract gold-diggers. In general, since the pandemic, we have seen a huge increase in clients in their 60s, 70s and 80s.'

Sometimes, the women get burned very badly from this imbalance in financial clout.

READ MORE: NADINE DORRIES: 'Nadine, you are a very sexy woman. Call me.' The reason why, at 66, men are suddenly telling me I'm so desirable!


One friend who had been single all her life, and recently retired from her job as a head teacher in a private school, entered into a whirlwind romance with a chap who she'd known briefly as a student and before long they were married. The union was a disaster.

After three years she filed for divorce. During the marriage, she had put her property into joint names and the upshot of the very expensive, bitterly-fought split was that the husband of few years was allowed to buy her out and got her house.

With finances much depleted, she had no choice but to move into a retirement flat. It wasn't a classic scam, but he certainly did very well out of her.

That's not as unusual as it sounds. Another friend married a younger man believing she had found true love at last after two divorces, but when that marriage failed too, he also got her house, this time purely on financial grounds. I'm afraid some solvent older women will always be prey to smooth-talking men who persuade them they are in love.

Despite it all, I hope I haven't put Nadine off a return to dating. There is nothing to be lost from turning over 'a brave and bold' new leaf, as she puts it, and taking a plunge back into the world as it wakes up with the spring.

But she should definitely know there are wolves out there too. The good news is they probably won't bother disguising themselves because they truly believe they don't need to – oh, for the confidence of a mediocre man, as the saying goes – but she should beware all the same.

So would I ever consider another intimate relationship? Yes, but very firmly on my terms. Firstly, they would have to match me financially, and secondly, I would have to be attracted to them. Neither of those things seem like very much to ask, do they? Good luck out there Nadine!
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Can't speak for gold-diggers of any gender.

If something ever happened to the relationship with DW, no amount of money would influence me.

Carnal Luddite might enjoy the chance for dinner companionship. Probably be impressed with someone willin' to have an unfettered romp with her toes in her ears.

Zero chin music would be tolerated. None. Nyet. Nada.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
When my mother was widowed, she didn't experience men who wanted a wealthy widow because they knew she wasn't one. However, she did have several elderly gentlemen approaching her (including one from her church), but she quickly realized they were looking for a replacement housekeeper and a potential nurse. She commented, "I was already married to one sick old man. Why should I want another one?"

She didn't mean that if she had remarried, she wouldn't have stuck by someone who became ill; she suggested she wouldn't marry anyone whose obvious intention was to have a live-in caretaker and housemaid.

I have yet to experience much attention, but I live in a rural area and am returning to attend local SCA (Middle Age Club) events and other activities. Even if I meet someone I can engage with the way I did with Nightwolf (aka intelligent conversation, similar or compatible hobbies, sharing basic views and values), they won't get a legal contract from me anyway. The terms of my widow's pension are very clear. I can't legally remarry without losing it, but I can have a private handfasting or "jump the broomstick" if I want to.

I think that would tend to put off any man simply looking for a "rich widow," though honestly, while I am not starving, I am hardly in the rich category.

However, I suspect there has been a shift from men of my Mom's (older, Silent) generation who didn't expect women to care for him financially but might reasonably expect a live-in nurse, cook, and house cleaner. Shifting to some (thankfully not all) boomer men who think they can marry a widow for her money. Oh, that has always gone on to some extent, especially among the "nobility" or, in the US, the "Upper Classes," but I don't think it was a "thing" for most regular people. I could be wrong; it would be an interesting historical study, but I won't be the one doing it, lol!
 

SAR01

Social ButterFly
well, I turned 70 last birthday, I' have been getting "hit on" here and there, and none are coming close to what I am looking for in a partner,...I'm right up front that I'll never marry and I'll probably never move, but I go out with a group of singles and a few couples regularly, we go to wineries, or picnic, or dances or some clubs.. imagine my surprise when a quite younger guy let me know he was definately interested..... Hmmmm, he is well off himself, has his own home, owns his own business, (is how I met him) no kids, is a workaholic and likes animals....so... I've dated younger guys , but ..although very mature, he is quite younger... lol so I am very flattered, but I just can't see this going anywhere....I am having fun on group outings, but yes, it is lonely sometimes.
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
I would never remarry...no way, no how. When you are young, you have no idea now much power marriage gives your spouse where you are concerned. Granted, I have a wonderful spouse that I trust completely. I am blessed but I might not get so lucky the second time around.

My aunt remarried later in life and when her step children decided she needed to go, they found a way to do it legally by manipulating her senile husband and making medical decisions that were life ending. One daughter had an in with the hospital admin. By the grace of God and an RN who was very unhappy with the situation, I managed to get POA and get her into a nursing home in another town. Within hours of leaving the hospital, she was a new woman and could magically walk again and feed herself. Just before that happened, her DH had come into a rather large sum of money. It was poetic justice that she had to stay in the nursing home just long enough to use up the entire amount.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Yep, or even better for some: a nurse with a purse!

I haven't seen much of that since the last move. Most of the people I know are married and faithful, which is good, given all the nasty STDs around.

I've got limited energy and so much to do that I'm rarely lonely.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Divorced 20 years and cherish my solo life. Not getting remarried. But not running wild in the sheets either

The geriatric STD's are a real thing. Its lively and gossip ridden at the golf cart retirement communities. And very social. Last I heard Villages has 72 different groups from pool exercise and yoga to pickleball and line dancing. Very structured, activity directors, peer pressure to participate/fornicate. Its that group mentality of the original mouseketeers. They even retire as a boomer cultural project together -like a cruise ship on land.

Not my style. Rather poke around in old cemeteries or visit a museum.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can't speak for anyone else, but there is no way I would remarry if Himself dies before I do. No man could measure up, and it would be cruel to make one try.

Not that he's perfect. He's just perfect for ME.
I definitely understand. I'm a 1 woman man, and God forbid, should my wife go before me, that's it. I would never try to duplicate what we have.
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
When my dad's wife died, the neighbor was there that night with a casserole - and wanted to spend the night so he didn't have to sleep alone. The women at the mortuary hit on him while he was choosing a casket! The grounds keeper at the burial site - who by the way was stunningly beautiful and fit - hit on him immediately after the burial!
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
My husband and I only had a handful of dates before we shared financial statements. Lol.

I didn’t want a man who had no money and he didn’t want a woman who was financially irresponsible. We had matching assets.

But I would never involve myself with a man unless I knew something about his credit score and financial stability.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Several things:

I'm happily (and monogamously) paired and hope that situation doesn't change through the death of DW. Having said that, if I were suddenly single I'd eventually entertain dating and the possibility of a relationship. I don't think humans are designed to be alone and lonely. Over the course of my life I've seen many widows and widowers living alone and most of them have never struck me as being especially happy.

Once one reaches a certain and advanced age, there seems to be little point in legal marriage. "Legal" is the operative word here, because legal marriage entails more risk than reward for most men and women. As Melodi said, "The terms of my widow's pension are very clear. I can't legally remarry without losing it, but I can have a private handfasting or "jump the broomstick" if I want to."

Why not? Jumping the broomstick or a similar private arrangement would seem to be the way to go for older couples. It's ironic that couples of an advanced age would do this because it's really a throwback to their teenaged years and 'going steady.' A private, extra-legal arrangement seems to be the best way to go and allows both parties to keep their finances separate.

As per the article, I have no doubt that there are (some) men seeking out wealthy widows with ulterior motives in mind, but this strikes me as the exception and not the rule. In the ranks of the elderly, there are far more women than men and from what I've seen, elderly women seem to chase elderly men more than vice versa.

A couple of years ago I tried to get a couple of my (older) bachelor friends to have lunch at a local senior center, with the ulterior motive of possibly having them find female companionship. In the end, neither of them wanted to go, but I did visit the place at lunch time with one of my buddies. Not surprisingly, there seemed to be two or three women for every man in the place and the men, at least in a low key fashion, seemed to be the centers of attention.

Lastly, I hope no one here still buys into the myth of the asexual elderly. The vast majority of older folks still have sexual wants and needs - though almost certainly diminished from their teen years - and at least as importantly and probably more so, need companionship. As long as they don't get their finances compromised through legal marriage, they should be fine.

Hold your sweetie closely and your money more closely still!

Best
Doc
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Omg watching these youtubes lol

No need to live there full time but just visit as a snowbird. Or maybe organize a mini bus fact finding tour as a girls trip for widowers/divorcees

Just leave those loofah sponges at home unless you plan to actively "exfoliate".

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The same goes for anything "pineapple" which is code for swingers whether its pineapple hawaiian shirts or welcome doormats. Big nope!

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20Gauge

TB Fanatic

Nadine Dorries wrote in her column on Tuesday of the men who have suddenly started to proposition her, at the age of 66. Four men in six weeks, with one whispering how sexy he found her over lunch!

They sense she is emerging from the grief which struck after the death of her beloved husband Paul in 2019, she concludes, and that she is radiating a new kind of openness and optimism.

Well, good for her.

But a word of warning, too. Far be it from me to rain on Nadine's parade, but she's not the only one to attract a proposition or two at a later stage of life. And they are not always a cause for unmitigated celebration.

To my continuing surprise, at the age of 79, I too receive frequent, and often very bold, propositions from older men. Why not, you might ask? I am single and unattached (I divorced my husband 35 years ago) in good health and reasonable shape from working out every day. But while they may be after me for my looks and personality, I believe the truth is rather more mercenary.

I am convinced that what they want from me, at least in part, is not my scintillating company, but my money.

I don't mean that they are out-and-out scammers of the kind who reel women in online with lies about who they are.

No, these are real men, our age or older, who see a well-off wife as a ticket not only to fun, but to a very comfortable old age with their feet beneath our well-laden tables.

I have often written about the nice home I've lived in for 14 years, with its three bathrooms, and about my long career as a writer, and it's my firm belief that a section of the male population sees me as a catch because of it.

It's not just me and Nadine. My best girlfriend, a busy interior designer in her late 70s, is also always being propositioned. Another friend, 84, who recently published her first book to much acclaim, says she has an admirer who wants to marry her.

'And he won't take no for an answer,' she told me, even though she repeats it often enough.

Therein, of course, lies the problem. They see us as a catch, but also as women of a certain age who will fall at their feet once shown some attention – hence their confidence (and, as Nadine has discovered, some of these men can be very forthright indeed).

Yet rarely do we see them in the same light.

A few years ago, for example, a complete stranger sent me a message on social media. He said he was an Oxford graduate, had worked in international finance and now ran a publishing company. He wondered whether I might collaborate with him on a book about an interesting subject, so I arranged to meet him for a drink in a London wine bar.

The moment he walked in it became apparent that, where I had looked after myself and my money, he had not.

Dressed in old jeans and a scruffy jacket, aged about 70, within minutes of our meeting, he asked whether I'd ever consider getting married again. The 'date', if that's what it was, did not last much longer. Later I discovered that this international financier and publisher was living in a bedsit on the coast. After two divorces, he had hardly any money left.

Others have been similarly brazen. There was the 70-something who asked me for lunch having followed me on Facebook, only to tell me when we spoke on the phone that he had not worked since he was 50.

We did not click and we did not meet, but it didn't stop him sending messages afterwards saying he was 'lonely' and drinking a bottle of wine all by himself. Another man tried to pick me up on a bus, as though I was a teenager! Since Christmas, there have been two more approaches from probably real men, as opposed to phoney catfishers, asking me for dates.

It used to be thought that older men targeted younger women, but it seems — perhaps thanks to the cost of living — that those days are over.

Karen Mooney, who has run Sara Eden Introductions since 1988, says: 'The goals have completely changed. When I started the agency, I was 30 and 60 seemed ancient. Now I'm in my sixties myself and have many older male clients looking for a partner of the same age. Women are looking after themselves much better; they have had careers, led their own lives, have their own houses, are completely independent and can manage without men.

'Although unattached older men may be looking for a partner their own age without any ulterior motive, it is also true that many are hoping to find a rich widow.

'If you are rich, you will be targeted whatever your age,' Karen adds. 'Whenever a man sees the word 'widow' on an online dating site, he thinks she will be loaded. Men can be vulnerable too, of course, and widowers will also often attract gold-diggers. In general, since the pandemic, we have seen a huge increase in clients in their 60s, 70s and 80s.'

Sometimes, the women get burned very badly from this imbalance in financial clout.

READ MORE: NADINE DORRIES: 'Nadine, you are a very sexy woman. Call me.' The reason why, at 66, men are suddenly telling me I'm so desirable!


One friend who had been single all her life, and recently retired from her job as a head teacher in a private school, entered into a whirlwind romance with a chap who she'd known briefly as a student and before long they were married. The union was a disaster.

After three years she filed for divorce. During the marriage, she had put her property into joint names and the upshot of the very expensive, bitterly-fought split was that the husband of few years was allowed to buy her out and got her house.

With finances much depleted, she had no choice but to move into a retirement flat. It wasn't a classic scam, but he certainly did very well out of her.

That's not as unusual as it sounds. Another friend married a younger man believing she had found true love at last after two divorces, but when that marriage failed too, he also got her house, this time purely on financial grounds. I'm afraid some solvent older women will always be prey to smooth-talking men who persuade them they are in love.

Despite it all, I hope I haven't put Nadine off a return to dating. There is nothing to be lost from turning over 'a brave and bold' new leaf, as she puts it, and taking a plunge back into the world as it wakes up with the spring.

But she should definitely know there are wolves out there too. The good news is they probably won't bother disguising themselves because they truly believe they don't need to – oh, for the confidence of a mediocre man, as the saying goes – but she should beware all the same.

So would I ever consider another intimate relationship? Yes, but very firmly on my terms. Firstly, they would have to match me financially, and secondly, I would have to be attracted to them. Neither of those things seem like very much to ask, do they? Good luck out there Nadine!
lol

Though this may be true in a number of cases, it is far more often the opposite......

I can not tell how many dozens of women in their 50s I know or have known that are looking very hard to find that guy so they can retire.....


My poor brother can not date anymore for that very reason. Despite bringing them around having them checked out, etc ( all the standard procedures ) the last 3 or 4 women were with him for the sole reason of retirement..... they all admitted it and said it with pride as if it was something of VALUE.......


lol
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!

This is what they are talking about -- aka "bath poof" -- they come in multiple colors. Walmart carries them.

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This is what I grow in the garden: loofah sponge for bathing. They are scratchy and good for exfoliating skin. FYI: both Earl May Gardening and Walmart carry loofah sponge seeds. They will grow in Iowa. Use at least 1/2 sand in the garden bed. The vines don't like wet feet.

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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
lol

Though this may be true in a number of cases, it is far more often the opposite......

I can not tell how many dozens of women in their 50s I know or have known that are looking very hard to find that guy so they can retire.....


My poor brother can not date anymore for that very reason. Despite bringing them around having them checked out, etc ( all the standard procedures ) the last 3 or 4 women were with him for the sole reason of retirement..... they all admitted it and said it with pride as if it was something of VALUE.......


lol

At least they were being honest about their intentions, unlike some cows I've known in the past.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Apparently the drunk go carting resulted in mistakenly driving off in the wrong one periodically. So dangling them in the golf cart was a way to find yours in the lineup.

What started as a joke 4-5 yrs ago took off

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Can't stop laughing

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And rumors lots of Canadian Viagra arrives at the post office lol.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Good luck with my mother. She put her dues in the hard way, worked for everything she has and is fiercely loyal to her own blood. She cared for dad for 60 years and the last 10 with Alzheimers. Ain't no one prying anything from her. She will never marry again and stated so when she did start dating again a last year.

She met an old flame at her High School reunion a few years ago and they started dating again. He had lost his wife the same year Dad died. But her finances were at the top of her thoughts. He has since passed from Cancer.

She has a big heart and dods on people while they are alive, and cares for friends when they are sick, but she is fully aware of what is out there and when she gives, it is her choice, but she will never relinquish that choice to someone else by marrying or signing over anything.
 
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