CHAT Remember the 87,000 new IRS agents? They've found some work for them to do! And they did it to me!

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
As y'all might recall, I got married last year (2023). About six weeks after filing our taxes, we received a notice that our identity on the tax returns was potentially fraudulent, and we weren't *really* Dr. and Mrs. B. It also said that our return would not be accepted until this was resolved.

The three-page letter we received gave us a case number and a phone number. It also suggested a website. We tried the website first, and it booted us right off with a message that was akin to "You're a potential fraudulent filer, so you can't do this online."

For the next 10 days, we wasted hours of our life calling the 1-800 number only to hear, "We're experiencing high call volumes. Please try later" and then the line disconnected.

We probably spent 10-12 hours trying to call them day after day after day. One day we were put on hold for more than two hours and then we gave up. The three-page IRS letter told us that we both had to present for the phone call due to the sensitive nature of the questions. So we both wasted 10-12 hours!

In desperation, my husband visited a local IRS office and they made an appointment for us to come to their office on April 16th. Unbelievable but it was their soonest possible appointment.

Thirty minutes after our appointment time, I asked the woman at the desk when we might be seen, and reconfirmed our 2:00 pm appointment. She said, "Those appointment times are just kind of suggestions. You'll be seen when we are able to see you."

Nearly 40 minutes after our appointment time, we were called back. The letter had told us to bring two years of previous returns, our birth certificates, SS cards, passports, something with our home address and a government-issued ID. The IRS agent asked to see our 2022 IRS returns (filed before we were married) and our driver's licenses.

When we told the IRS agent that we'd been trying to do this for almost two weeks via phone, she laughed and said, "Yeah, no one can get through."

I asked why the IRS was doing this and she said, "I have no idea but this is what all of us do in here all day long."

Within ten minutes, we were walking back to the car ($18 parking fee) and my husband was cussing under his breath. I wasn't too happy either.

Here's the real kicker: In 2023, we owed $10,000+ in federal taxes. Now if someone wants to fraudulently represent me and *pay* the massive IRS tax bill, I say LET THEM.

It's absolute nonsense. You'd think that they'd only peg returns where someone is getting a REFUND.

So what are they doing with those 87,000 agents? Apparently - they're creating "make work" projects for them.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Thank you for sharing your experience.

Encouraging to know more people will get a chance to despise government.

I am SORRY that you dealt with it individually but we need more of this for change to occur.

Eta: I know a few irs employees. Most work from home. I have heard the brags about how little they do. I doubt they're embellishing.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Papers please, means a totally different thing, based on traveling, getting permits, paying taxes, being audited, etc..etc..

Papers please, look at the buraeucracy in health care....

Not to worry, it will all be digital soon enough....not to worry....
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
The IRS needs to be excised like a skin cancer. Go to a flat tax and you could file a one sheet return, downsize the IRS by 90% if not eliminate it all together and streamline government but of course we can’t have that.

I've long been a proponent of the VAT or national sales tax. It taxes black-market money and rewards savers.

Imagine how small the IRS would be if we had that!
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I've long been a proponent of the VAT or national sales tax. It taxes black-market money and rewards savers.

Imagine how small the IRS would be if we had that!

Yeah, right. The collection agencies in Europe aren’t exactly small and businesses don’t exactly get handled with kid gloves.

Not to mention states will never give up their sales tax which they would have to if a VAT tax went into effect.

I like the idea of a VAT tax but the reality of it would be just as onerous as any taxing situation.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
As y'all might recall, I got married last year (2023). About six weeks after filing our taxes, we received a notice that our identity on the tax returns was potentially fraudulent, and we weren't *really* Dr. and Mrs. B. It also said that our return would not be accepted until this was resolved.

The three-page letter we received gave us a case number and a phone number. It also suggested a website. We tried the website first, and it booted us right off with a message that was akin to "You're a potential fraudulent filer, so you can't do this online."

For the next 10 days, we wasted hours of our life calling the 1-800 number only to hear, "We're experiencing high call volumes. Please try later" and then the line disconnected.

We probably spent 10-12 hours trying to call them day after day after day. One day we were put on hold for more than two hours and then we gave up. The three-page IRS letter told us that we both had to present for the phone call due to the sensitive nature of the questions. So we both wasted 10-12 hours!

In desperation, my husband visited a local IRS office and they made an appointment for us to come to their office on April 16th. Unbelievable but it was their soonest possible appointment.

Thirty minutes after our appointment time, I asked the woman at the desk when we might be seen, and reconfirmed our 2:00 pm appointment. She said, "Those appointment times are just kind of suggestions. You'll be seen when we are able to see you."

Nearly 40 minutes after our appointment time, we were called back. The letter had told us to bring two years of previous returns, our birth certificates, SS cards, passports, something with our home address and a government-issued ID. The IRS agent asked to see our 2022 IRS returns (filed before we were married) and our driver's licenses.

When we told the IRS agent that we'd been trying to do this for almost two weeks via phone, she laughed and said, "Yeah, no one can get through."

I asked why the IRS was doing this and she said, "I have no idea but this is what all of us do in here all day long."

Within ten minutes, we were walking back to the car ($18 parking fee) and my husband was cussing under his breath. I wasn't too happy either.

Here's the real kicker: In 2023, we owed $10,000+ in federal taxes. Now if someone wants to fraudulently represent me and *pay* the massive IRS tax bill, I say LET THEM.

It's absolute nonsense. You'd think that they'd only peg returns where someone is getting a REFUND.
Pretty accurate in general......
Never use the websites unless it is ID.ME where you should have an account or are paying them cash. Otherwise you are risking someone stealing your id.

So what are they doing with those 87,000 agents? Apparently - they're creating "make work" projects for them.
I can tell you exactly what they are doing. They are doing audits on everyone and anyone they can. I have had 4 clients who have had their returns held for "various" reasons......

Primary reason was their withholding was larger than average, so it got taken off line for a person to research and verify.

For your information this is the point of id theft, they steal your id and then create a return that gives them a LARGE refund.


Sorry to say, they are primarily after those who have deductions, larger salaries, larger withholding, etc. Anything they can disallow and generate cash for the FEDS.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
You sure do lead an “eventful” life.

As to those agents, I seem to recall that funding for them wasn’t approved by Congress. I think it was posted here at the time.

And the IRS randomly calls people in for audits.
If may have not been funded, but they found the funds. Our local training center has been running almost non-stop with IRS training......

Yes they do random audits, but they are getting more specific due to improved computer programming.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Yeah, right. The collection agencies in Europe aren’t exactly small and businesses don’t exactly get handled with kid gloves.

Not to mention states will never give up their sales tax which they would have to if a VAT tax went into effect.

I like the idea of a VAT tax but the reality of it would be just as onerous as any taxing situation.

This^^^ I'm a member of quite a few international artists groups on FB and europeans bitch all of the time about the VAT tax, and how it's cutting down on international trade because no one can afford to pay the new VAT import taxes.
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
That happened to me about 5 years ago. Funny, wasn’t that the point with REAL ID concerning your DL? Yet once again, an actual American citizen has to jump through circus hoops to prove who they are. What a joke, and my response to people and bureaucracies that I encounter now with that attitude, I refer them to the Southern Border. We really need your help down there… :smkd:
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
The next people to be hired by the IRS will be those students at Columbia Law School who are traumatized by the brutality of police on the campus they have witnessed and now can't take final exams. They will need only a pass/fail grade, that's who is coming for your money and assets.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As a former US Civil Servant (and Civil Service for the State of Colorado), I know at least part of what is happening. Even if they didn't get their 87,000 gun-wielding "agents," The Administration understands the IRS is now under the spotlight both with Congress and The Public.

They are already in "panic mode," and this situation has jumped to paranoia time. This translates on the ground to the Agency Heads (and District Managers) to "You must look like you are doing something!" From friends who worked at the IRS, "Do Something" means "Get More Money" and "Process More Cases per worker or else."

The Easy way to do this is not to go after wealthy people with a dozen barely legal tax dodges. Rich People have lawyers and accountants. They tend to have accounting firms that do taxes for them and keep IRS-compliant records. They can also pay their lawyers to fight cases in court, and even when they lose, the IRS has spent thousands (sometimes more) paying government attorneys to argue the case. The IRS often does not win in court, so they avoid it.

Finally, Anna43 is correct; the majority of the threatening letters sent are incorrect or misleading. They are designed to terrify the average or only slightly above average taxpayer, so they "accept" a lower "settlement." They count on most people not having their taxes done by accounts, not keeping good records, and not having 10 to 12 hours to spend on the phone as a couple (it isn't physically possible).

They do versions of this to overseas Americans all the time. About a decade ago, my friends wanted to move to the US, where the wife was from. The British husband was horrified when they wanted back taxes on his personal bank account and "fined" them for not filling out an overseas form (for the American wife) that neither had ever heard of. The IRS demanded 100,000 dollars at first and then offered a "settlement" for about a quarter of that amount. Since the wife's parents were ill and needed them, they did it.

But this is pretty typical of the sort of games the IRS pays to make it look like they are "doing something" and increasing their "recovery" of taxes. The situation Betty Rose is in suggests she was caught in such a dragnet, possibly assigned by a computer in hopes there was more money owed, or they could get a fat fine from some "mistake."
 

patriotgal

Veteran Member
Got 4 letters in last 4 weeks about various amounts plus interest due on 4 returns going a ways back. Sent certified letters asking for documentation and removal of interest because this is the first we are hearing about any of it. Postmaster said everyone is getting letters. Have used Turbo Tax for years and never had issues.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Yeah, right. The collection agencies in Europe aren’t exactly small and businesses don’t exactly get handled with kid gloves.

Not to mention states will never give up their sales tax which they would have to if a VAT tax went into effect.

I like the idea of a VAT tax but the reality of it would be just as onerous as any taxing situation.
Case-in-point - look North. Canada has a GST for decades now and the only Province with a direct sales tax, Alberta has never had one. Big deal - they grab you at every other possible opportunity; fuel, sin taxes for a start.

Weaning any govt. off taxes is really only possible if the voters limit govt.
 

Jez

Veteran Member
The IRS needs to be excised like a skin cancer. Go to a flat tax and you could file a one sheet return, downsize the IRS by 90% if not eliminate it all together and streamline government but of course we can’t have that.
Nope, flat tax will never happen. The financial services industry makes way too much money helping those with lots of money pay as little in taxes as possible. They have lots of money to lobby Congress.

And before people bemoan about rich people not paying their fair share, they pay Financial people lots of money to make that happen so it's not like it's not costing them anything. I'd actually be curious to see the stats on how much they pay to save money vs how much they would have had to pay in taxes. I am pretty sure Financial Planning is probably cheaper than the tax bill considering the large numbers that get played with.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Got 4 letters in last 4 weeks about various amounts plus interest due on 4 returns going a ways back. Sent certified letters asking for documentation and removal of interest because this is the first we are hearing about any of it. Postmaster said everyone is getting letters. Have used Turbo Tax for years and never had issues.
Turbo Tax got sold and has not been the same for about 3 years now
 
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