ALERT Regional middleast war thread Israel and Iran at war

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Wyominglarry

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Israel is ****ing with the minds of the ragheads. Israel figured out that if they keep the goat ****ers on super high alert long enough they will burn out and just give up. No one can stand spun up on 100% for very long. Even if you give them speed, like the Hamas monsters took before they murdered the civilians and burned babies alive, they will eventually crash and burn out. Israel is going to wait, until they feel good and ready to hit Iran. It will be epic and our grandkids will be talking about the day Iran ceased to exist and run by the religious ragheads.
 
AlfaMan

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I'll toss in 2 inflation riddled cents here.

If Israel launches Jericho missiles towards Iran; Iran will consider them nuclear tipped (whether they are or not) and will retaliate in kind (with a fission device carried by aircraft, most likely SU-24's)

Iran's air defense warning system as I remember hasn't had any major upgrades since it was installed in the 1970's. Believe the air defense system was Swiss manufactured, and installed shortly before the Shah was deposed.

Iran can't defrentiate between an air launched missile conaining conventional warheads and one containing nukes. With the flight to detonation times being in the region of 5 to 8 minutes, Iran would launch on warning.

Even if Israel used conventional tipped missiles, my bet is Iran will respond with nuclear weapons. There is no doubt they do not have them. Even one or two used, even if they're crude conventional Hiroshima type weapons; the world will go absolutely apesh*t.
 
Wildweasel

Wildweasel

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Walrus said:
Last Saturday afternoon, there was a post about an Air Force KC-135 refueling tanker aircraft declaring an emergency via its transponder code. Nothing else was ever said about that transponder code, or anything else that I've read about the aircraft and its mission instead.

Did anyone pick up a whiff or an update on this?
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Haven't heard anything, but KC-135s are known for routine hydraulic system failures. Such failures mean the refueling boom is unusable and flight controls, landing gear, flaps and brakes must use manual controls with no hydroboost.

Declare Emergency and head home, hoping the pilots have the strength to land after fighting to get the plane back home.
 
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Walrus

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mistaken1 said:
Pathetic.

Who is Valerie Jarret? (she is not the iranian agent in the pentagon ... jarret is much higher up the food chain)
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She's always been the one who's the inside voice for the Shiite sect for Obama (captain obvious statement, I know). As much as she's been an insider into the Obama family circle for so long - to the point of living in the family residence, I've wondered if she's not the birth mother of the two Obama girls.

Apologies for the complete woo.
 
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Wildweasel said:
Haven't heard anything, but KC-135s are known for routine hydraulic system failures. Such failures mean the refueling boom is unusable and flight controls, landing gear, flaps and brakes must use manual controls with no hydroboost.

Declare Emergency and head home, hoping the pilots have the strength to land after fighting to get the plane back home.
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Well, they ARE Boeings after all, but IIRC, wasn't the KC-135 is built on the 707 airframe, which was back when Boeing was a real engineering company and not an MIC trough feeder? From your description, though, it's had its share of problems through the years.

A plane full of jet fuel probably is a beast to pull into a landing flare. They'd probably just dump the fuel somewhere on the way home, I guess, once they knew they had enough + reserve to make it home. In the case of a complete hydraulics failure, bellying into a landing with a full load would not be a fun experience. And that would be the same for them and the airport.
 
Wildweasel

Wildweasel

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Walrus said:
Well, they ARE Boeings after all, but IIRC, wasn't the KC-135 is built on the 707 airframe, which was back when Boeing was a real engineering company and not an MIC trough feeder? From your description, though, it's had its share of problems through the years.

A plane full of jet fuel probably is a beast to pull into a landing flare. They'd probably just dump the fuel somewhere on the way home, I guess, once they knew they had enough + reserve to make it home. In the case of a complete hydraulics failure, bellying into a landing with a full load would not be a fun experience. And that would be the same for them and the airport.
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A 135 dumping fuel is awesome to see. Watching one do it on the ground is like seeing a firetruck watercannon, but shooting jet fuel.
 
Chance

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AlfaMan said:
I'll toss in 2 inflation riddled cents here.

If Israel launches Jericho missiles towards Iran; Iran will consider them nuclear tipped (whether they are or not) and will retaliate in kind (with a fission device carried by aircraft, most likely SU-24's)

Iran's air defense warning system as I remember hasn't had any major upgrades since it was installed in the 1970's. Believe the air defense system was Swiss manufactured, and installed shortly before the Shah was deposed.

Iran can't defrentiate between an air launched missile conaining conventional warheads and one containing nukes. With the flight to detonation times being in the region of 5 to 8 minutes, Iran would launch on warning.

Even if Israel used conventional tipped missiles, my bet is Iran will respond with nuclear weapons. There is no doubt they do not have them. Even one or two used, even if they're crude conventional Hiroshima type weapons; the world will go absolutely apesh*t.
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Hi AlfaMan:

Good point!

WarNews has an article stating Putin told Netanyahu that Iran has nuclear weapons - 'so keep that in mind when you retaliate'. And Iran has been in deals with Russia for the S-400 anti-missile defense system and for the Sukhoi fighter jets - Su-35s. Iran may already have these.

And Iran has been bragging that they will retaliate with a 'never before used' by Iran weapons and that Iran's response will be within seconds. Last year they put up billboards in Tehran that stated in Arabic, Persian, and Hebrew: "Tel Aviv in 400 seconds." I did that math, that's 6.666667 minutes. Do they have something faster now? They've been working non-stop on their weapons programs......and with Russian help.
 
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AlfaMan

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Chance said:
Hi AlfaMan:

Good point!

WarNews has an article stating Putin told Netanyahu that Iran has nuclear weapons - 'so keep that in mind when you retaliate'. And Iran has been in deals with Russia for the S-400 anti-missile defense system and for the Sukhoi fighter jets - Su-35s. Iran may already have these.

And Iran has been bragging that they will retaliate with a 'never before used' by Iran weapons and that Iran's response will be within seconds. Last year they put up billboards in Tehran that stated in Arabic, Persian, and Hebrew: "Tel Aviv in 400 seconds." I did that math, that's 6.666667 minutes. Do they have something faster now? They've been working non-stop on their weapons programs......and with Russian help.
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400 seconds is about the time from launch around Tehran to the detonation in Tel Aviv. Or Haifa.

Israel may go with a concerted missile strike-Iranians don't have anything to put up an effective defense screen. It took the US, France, UK and Syrian missiles to get that 99% kill rate on the first Iranian missile strike on Israel.
Repelling that one attack cost us a BUNDLE of money in terms of missiles used and costs per unit.

Iran has nothing nearly that capable nor sophisticated. The Russians do, in Syria but not enough quantities of missiles to stop a saturation attack. The Iranian targets will get hammered.

Then it will be neverending tit for tat attacks until one or the other capitol is a smoking fuzed green glass wasteland.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

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AlfaMan said:
I'll toss in 2 inflation riddled cents here.

If Israel launches Jericho missiles towards Iran; Iran will consider them nuclear tipped (whether they are or not) and will retaliate in kind (with a fission device carried by aircraft, most likely SU-24's)

Iran's air defense warning system as I remember hasn't had any major upgrades since it was installed in the 1970's. Believe the air defense system was Swiss manufactured, and installed shortly before the Shah was deposed.

Iran can't defrentiate between an air launched missile conaining conventional warheads and one containing nukes. With the flight to detonation times being in the region of 5 to 8 minutes, Iran would launch on warning.

Even if Israel used conventional tipped missiles, my bet is Iran will respond with nuclear weapons. There is no doubt they do not have them. Even one or two used, even if they're crude conventional Hiroshima type weapons; the world will go absolutely apesh*t.
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It will take that-(as I've often said)-- the world being scared Sh**less, to make them WILLINGLY surrender their sovereignty and BEG for the rulership of a world dictatorship that promises "peace."
 
AlfaMan

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annieb said:
NY Prepper on YouTube has the SKYMASTER messages right now.
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It's 5am in Tel Aviv. The skyking messages could be from the current NATO exercise going on in Eastern Europe.

But I don't think so.

It's a 2 repeat of "Skymaster" at the beginning of the messages recorded. Not pull the pin time but they're grabbing onto the grenade, so to speak. Based on some other indications locally preparation is valid.


Just sayin'-Some pieces on the chess board have been moved within the hour locally. Let's just say two went up out and didn't come back.
 
Vegas321

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AlfaMan said:
It's 5am in Tel Aviv. The skyking messages could be from the current NATO exercise going on in Eastern Europe.

But I don't think so.

It's a 2 repeat of "Skymaster" at the beginning of the messages recorded. Not pull the pin time but they're grabbing onto the grenade, so to speak. Based on some other indications locally preparation is valid.


Just sayin'-Some pieces on the chess board have been moved within the hour locally. Let's just say two went up out and didn't come back.
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Interesting stuff going on ATM.
Obviously, we don't know but, this is not usual.
Yes, Alfa. We have no clue to the regional or CONUS defcon is.
If it is at 3. Not good...
 
AlfaMan

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Vegas321 said:
5 KC-135's have now taken off out of Mildenhall RAF. All heading W/SW towards Spain. It's just past 3AM.

Yeah, something is about to happen in the coming hours.
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Flushing 135's out of England? They're meeting aircraft over the Azores. If there's going to be a party those Buffasauruses are running straight across the Atlantic. Heading for the Mediterranean possibly being loaded with cruise missiles.

A loaded BUFF can make it to that area of the Atlantic from the midwestern US before needing refuelling.

Why? To use the BUFFs in standoff mode. Circle the Med, launch cruise missiles from a range where the BUFF carriers don't get taken out by Iranian fighters.

We're witnessing the beginnings of our part in a retaliatory strike against Iran.
 
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Housecarl

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AlfaMan said:
Flushing 135's out of England? They're meeting aircraft over the Azores. If there's going to be a party those Buffasauruses are running straight across the Atlantic. Heading for the Mediterranean possibly being loaded with cruise missiles.

A loaded BUFF can make it to that area of the Atlantic from the midwestern US before needing refuelling.

Why? To use the BUFFs in standoff mode. Circle the Med, launch cruise missiles from a range where the BUFF carriers don't get taken out by Iranian fighters.

We're witnessing the beginnings of our part in a retaliatory strike against Iran.
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You're assuming that the target(s) would be in or only in Iran....
 
Vegas321

Vegas321

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AlfaMan said:
Flushing 135's out of England? They're meeting aircraft over the Azores. If there's going to be a party those Buffasauruses are running straight across the Atlantic. Heading for the Mediterranean possibly being loaded with cruise missiles.

A loaded BUFF can make it to that area of the Atlantic from the midwestern US before needing refuelling.

Why? To use the BUFFs in standoff mode. Circle the Med, launch cruise missiles from a range where the BUFF carriers don't get taken out by Iranian fighters.

We're witnessing the beginnings of our part in a retaliatory strike against Iran.
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The pieces are seeming to fit.
Bases just went to force protection Charle, per NY Pepper.
Confirmation AlfaMan?
 
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Housecarl

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AlfaMan said:
I'll toss in 2 inflation riddled cents here.

If Israel launches Jericho missiles towards Iran; Iran will consider them nuclear tipped (whether they are or not) and will retaliate in kind (with a fission device carried by aircraft, most likely SU-24's)

Iran's air defense warning system as I remember hasn't had any major upgrades since it was installed in the 1970's. Believe the air defense system was Swiss manufactured, and installed shortly before the Shah was deposed.

Iran can't defrentiate between an air launched missile conaining conventional warheads and one containing nukes. With the flight to detonation times being in the region of 5 to 8 minutes, Iran would launch on warning.

Even if Israel used conventional tipped missiles, my bet is Iran will respond with nuclear weapons. There is no doubt they do not have them. Even one or two used, even if they're crude conventional Hiroshima type weapons; the world will go absolutely apesh*t.
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Another option the Israelis have are weaponized air-launched Sparrow "target" missiles. The "Silver" version was designed to simulate the same SCUD+ weapons Iran fired at Israel on Saturday.
 
jward

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Israel Radar
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Majority in Israeli leadership still favors direct retaliation in Iran, but operational considerations affect discussions on scope & timing of response, @ynetalerts
reports; US official estimates that Israel & Iran will not go to war.

6:59 PM · Apr 17, 2024
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jward

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toxic avenger said:
What a coincidence. Brings us to the dreaded April 19th.
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zactly. Viscerally speaking, I've not been overly concerned about this dust up, once they began telegraphing that the back channel dancing had lit upon acceptable off ramps for the 2 parties- but when that date gets added into the mix, I do get a few hairs standing on end and chills :eek:
- tis also the Iranian leaders' 85 BD, which is just a cherry on top eh.
 
jward

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Jason Brodsky
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The foreign minister of #Iran's regime Hossein Amir-Abdollahian has arrived in New York this evening. A member of #IRGCterrorists, Amir-Abdollahian will be in New York on April 18--the 41st anniversary of IRGC-backed #Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in #Lebanon in 1983, which killed Americans. @StateDept
should have denied his visa. One unusual aspect of Amir-Abdollahian's arrival tonight was that he appears to have traveled commercial. Iranian foreign ministers in the past have used a private plane. He got off after Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu deplaned. Wonder what the backstory is here.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780787186754834728
View: https://twitter.com/JasonMBrodsky/status/1780787186754834728





Jason Brodsky
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We anticipate he will stay at the @Millennium1UN. To inquire why the hotel is hosting a member a U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organization, please contact them below.

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Doughboy42

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jward said:
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com

Majority in Israeli leadership still favors direct retaliation in Iran, but operational considerations affect discussions on scope & timing of response, @ynetalerts
reports; US official estimates that Israel & Iran will not go to war.

6:59 PM · Apr 17, 2024
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"US official estimates that Israel & Iran will not go to war."

Well, that clinches it. They are already at war you dumbf___. Only question is how much hotter it will get.
 
jward

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FJ
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Israel's big problem is that if it strikes IRGC targets outside Iran, it won't do anything to roll back the new equation IRI is aiming to set. Israel has struck IRGC targets in other countries in the past on countless different occasions. There won't be anything new about that. What IRI did when it launched an attack on Israel from its own soil was unprecedented. Therefore it also requires an unprecedented response.

4:21 PM · Apr 17, 2024
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