CRIME Ohio man, 81, is charged with murder for shooting dead female Uber driver who was called by a scammer to pick up parcel outside his home

Cardinal

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An Ohio man has been charged with murder after shooting dead a female Uber driver who had been tricked by scammers into going to his home to collect a package.
The fatal incident, captured on the driver's dashcam, took place in the town of South Charleston, Ohio, on March 25 at around 11:25am.
William Brock, 81, told police he had been receiving fraudulent phone calls from scammers demanding money and had been threatened by them in the weeks leading up to the altercation.
On the day of the shooting, one called him telling him a relative was in jail. They demanded money from him, then placed an order via Uber for someone to collect a package from his house.
The driver was Lo-Letha Hall, 61. She was unaware the man was being targeted, and thought the job was legitimate. When she showed up, Brock shockingly whipped out a gun and demanded she identify who had sent her.

An 81-year-old Ohio man has been charged with murder after he admitted to shooting an Uber driver who'd been tricked by a scammer to pick up a package at the man's home


An 81-year-old Ohio man has been charged with murder after he admitted to shooting an Uber driver who'd been tricked by a scammer to pick up a package at the man's home

Lo-Letha Hall, 61, was an Uber driver who had been called on a job to pick up a parcel from William Brock's home. Brock, who had been receiving scam calls moments before, believed Hall was there to take his money, according to officials

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Much of the scene was captured on the video camera in Hall's vehicle and released by the Clark County Sheriff's Office.
Brock also allegedly took her phone and wouldn't let her leave, though he never dialed 911 or called for help, police said.
There was apparently a 'scuffle' between the two, during which Brock asked Hall who she worked for, then he shot her again and then a third time after a 'further exchange.'

She was shot in the upper left side of her torso, one to the upper front of her left leg, one on the inside of her left knee and one in the center mass of her sternum.
Hall tried to get back to her car when Brock shot her. Afterward, Hall can be heard screaming in pain, while Brock threatens to 'shoot the other leg.'
Hall was taken to a local hospital but died while undergoing surgery, authorities said.
Brock, who himself suffered injuries to his head and ear, called 911 only after he had shot Hall.
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One of the people he suspected was scamming him and threatening him messaged Uber delivery driver Letha Hall (pictured left), 61, to tell him to pick up a package at Brock's home


Hall showed up at Brock's home and according to police, 'made no threats or assaults' toward him and just asked about the package. Fearing she was going to hurt him, Brock whipped out a gun and demanded she identify who had sent her
He told deputies - 'without being asked' as they put it - that Hall was there to 'take [my] money.'

Brock said that Hall attacked him after he shot her by slamming his head into the door of her car and then tried to escape, so he shot her again, thinking she was going to get a gun of her own.
'He provided he didn't want to shoot her but he thought she was going to kill him,' the incident report said.
Brock is being charged with murder because he didn't call 911 and because there was 'no active threat presented by Ms Hall at any time during the encounter.'
He posted a $200,000 bond but could face further charges after the incident is investigated further.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
IMO the scammer should also be charged with murder, if they can find whoever that is.
They've got phone records. It all depends on the politics - do they want to find out any more information?

They've got their perpetrator. He shot a black woman.

This is a guaranteed conviction for a woke DA.

The old man is being charged because he didn't call 911 before he shot her?
How did he get scratches on his neck and ear? Did she attack him? Anything else that the prosecutor learns will only weaken the otherwise cinched-up case, so why would we expect them to dig for the truth?

At least the guy will get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his life. The only thing he'll have to be concerned about is medical care being of good quality.
 

LibertyInNH

Senior Member
Another example of terrible journalism and grammar.

It would be not only more succinct but also much clearer if the title read "killing female" instead of "shooting dead female".

Sounds like she was already dead when he shot her.

Or even keep it simpler since murder requires killing, the title could read "charged with murder for [fatally] shooting female...."
 

1911user

Veteran Member
If the scammer is any good, any phone information will lead nowhere and the phone itself is gone. They could be an idiot and still have the phone, but I doubt it.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
sounds like a good plan for a drug mule.?

or booze to under-agers?

It's not like booze is that hard to make, and all of its components are legal enough to get. Sure, you won't be making a fine sippin' whiskey, but you could put together your own wine without much trouble.
 

Dux

Veteran Member
Sounds suspicious to me: "Please take a package off my porch and deliver elsewhere." I don't think so.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Damn..... I feel sorry for that poor woman and her family! A 61 year old woman doing Uber to make some extra money in a tough economy and she gets killed. It won't need a woke DA to find the shooter guilty of murder. I'd prosecute him too if I was the DA.

ETA - Even if she was tricked into going there... she didn't deserve a death sentence. He should have called the police or got her vehicle license etc... not killed her.
 
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Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I been makin my own shine, for over 40 yrs now

aint kilt me yet
I likely won't if you're careful but where you are it's a toss up if the OPP OR the Horsemen will be the bigger pain. My $$ would be on OPP but I haven't spent any time there for decades.

How far is Callander?
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
The Uber account of the caller has been banned? WTF?
Why isn't his ass in jail.

While typing this, I heard the voice of Lester Hoax of NBC. I despise that m'fer.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Check the different scambaiter channels on youtube. Scammers are getting more predatory each year.

Odds are the scammer's number is VoIP which is useless to trace, and the scammer is located in India/Pakistan or another Asian country. However, romance scams, along with Publisher Clearing House scams, are usually out of Nigeria or Jamaica. There is also the pig butchering scam, which is an investment type scam, primarily out of Asia. All countries do have scammers, but the lion's share are the first 4 specifically mentioned.

The scammers identify as the FBI/police/CIA/SS Administration/FTC/Bank people ( fraud department usually ) among many other "official" identities to frighten/intimidate/impress people. If the scammer does not have someone else with them there to help with the scam, they will act out 2, 3 or how many other identities are needed to do the scam.

They will call you as the cop, then pretend to call your bank and answer as the bank manager/fraud department, then pretend to call the FBI and answer as an FBI agent. Nothing quite like hearing a deep voice male scammer trying to talk like a female in order to further the scam.

Most common scams right now ( of course there are others I am missing ):
  • medicare/medicaid,
  • SSN,
  • relative jailed and needing bail (usually a grandkid),
  • you missing jury duty and you needing bail to prevent an immediate arrest,
  • IRS after you for non-payment of taxes from previous years.
  • online refund
  • romance
  • Publisher Clearing House
  • the old but still reliable "a car found in Texas with drugs rented in your SSN and an abandoned house in Texas rented in your SSN filled with illegal drugs. You have to send money to the scammer ( who identifies as a federal officer ) to them right now to avoid getting arrested as the police are on their way or about to be sent. .... OR ...., since you are innocent of this then you need to move all your money out of all your accounts to protect it from "other" scammers who rented the car and house in your name. Of course, the scammer has the perfect solution to do that.

It has also become common where they use money mules here in the US to pick up money from other US victims and then mail it oversees to the scammer, instead of having the person being scammed send the money over seas. These money mules are usually victims themselves who are still being conned or threatened.

Other types of getting the money is thru bitcoin and direct deposit to a bank account opened on fraud information, and which can be easily reopened somewhere else when it gets closed.

Another tactic is having the victim download remote access software to their phone which the scammer uses to then access any account the victim has and thus be able to drain that account. Of course, the scammers still use the reliable PC download route if the victim does not allow them to access their phone.

Scammers love using gift cards as payment. They have the victim get the card from a local store, and then read the gift card number to them over the phone to "validate" the card, which the scammer uses to cash out the card from where ever the scammer is located. The victim is left believing the card is still valid.

Nothing is being done to the scammers by the countries where these scammers operate as the scams bring in quite a lot of money to that country. The scammers pretty much feel justified in what they are doing and have no guilt to the pain and suffering they are causing to the victims. They will take the ever last cent a person has, and then demand more.

Watching the various scambaiter youtube channels can be sad, infuriating, and instructive all at the same time.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Check the different scambaiter channels on youtube. Scammers are getting more predatory each year.

Odds are the scammer's number is VoIP which is useless to trace, and the scammer is located in India/Pakistan or another Asian country. However, romance scams, along with Publisher Clearing House scams, are usually out of Nigeria or Jamaica. There is also the pig butchering scam, which is an investment type scam, primarily out of Asia. All countries do have scammers, but the lion's share are the first 4 specifically mentioned.

The scammers identify as the FBI/police/CIA/SS Administration/FTC/Bank people ( fraud department usually ) among many other "official" identities to frighten/intimidate/impress people. If the scammer does not have someone else with them there to help with the scam, they will act out 2, 3 or how many other identities are needed to do the scam.

They will call you as the cop, then pretend to call your bank and answer as the bank manager/fraud department, then pretend to call the FBI and answer as an FBI agent. Nothing quite like hearing a deep voice male scammer trying to talk like a female in order to further the scam.

Most common scams right now ( of course there are others I am missing ):
  • medicare/medicaid,
  • SSN,
  • relative jailed and needing bail (usually a grandkid),
  • you missing jury duty and you needing bail to prevent an immediate arrest,
  • IRS after you for non-payment of taxes from previous years.
  • online refund
  • romance
  • Publisher Clearing House
  • the old but still reliable "a car found in Texas with drugs rented in your SSN and an abandoned house in Texas rented in your SSN filled with illegal drugs. You have to send money to the scammer ( who identifies as a federal officer ) to them right now to avoid getting arrested as the police are on their way or about to be sent. .... OR ...., since you are innocent of this then you need to move all your money out of all your accounts to protect it from "other" scammers who rented the car and house in your name. Of course, the scammer has the perfect solution to do that.

It has also become common where they use money mules here in the US to pick up money from other US victims and then mail it oversees to the scammer, instead of having the person being scammed send the money over seas. These money mules are usually victims themselves who are still being conned or threatened.

Other types of getting the money is thru bitcoin and direct deposit to a bank account opened on fraud information, and which can be easily reopened somewhere else when it gets closed.

Another tactic is having the victim download remote access software to their phone which the scammer uses to then access any account the victim has and thus be able to drain that account. Of course, the scammers still use the reliable PC download route if the victim does not allow them to access their phone.

Scammers love using gift cards as payment. They have the victim get the card from a local store, and then read the gift card number to them over the phone to "validate" the card, which the scammer uses to cash out the card from where ever the scammer is located. The victim is left believing the card is still valid.

Nothing is being done to the scammers by the countries where these scammers operate as the scams bring in quite a lot of money to that country. The scammers pretty much feel justified in what they are doing and have no guilt to the pain and suffering they are causing to the victims. They will take the ever last cent a person has, and then demand more.

Watching the various scambaiter youtube channels can be sad, infuriating, and instructive all at the same time.

They have a couple of channels of computer savvy guys who turn the tables on the internet scammers.

They can actually track or pin point the scammers and even access the scammers computer camera and put the live feed up for the scammers to see.

Too bad they can’t do more harm to the scammers…

I’m thinking a tiny drone that’ll kamikaze into the scammer injecting them with a raging case of terminal jock itch?
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
They have a couple of channels of computer savvy guys who turn the tables on the internet scammers.

They can actually track or pin point the scammers and even access the scammers computer camera and put the live feed up for the scammers to see.

Too bad they can’t do more harm to the scammers…

I’m thinking a tiny drone that’ll kamikaze into the scammer injecting them with a raging case of terminal jock itch?

Sadly all of the effort is very small pin pricks.

For the moment it appears the publicly known scambaiters can at most destroy only the PC that is being used by the scammer. They used to record destroying scammer call centers by introducing malware into the scammers PC and then infecting the entire call center.

However, I've noticed that scammer call center attacks has largely dropped off the youtube radar now days. I'm guessing that is due to the scammers using youtubes user agreement to combat the tactic with threats of being demonetized. This is probably why the scambaiters no longer tell the scammer the scambaiters youtube channel after destroying their PC.

The few times I've seen where scammer call centers were compromised and information provided to the local authorities, it ended up being a nothing burger. Scammers put too much money into the local economy to expect any other result.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I likely won't if you're careful but where you are it's a toss up if the OPP OR the Horsemen will be the bigger pain. My $$ would be on OPP but I haven't spent any time there for decades.

How far is Callander?
about 3 hrs away.

used to live near south river, in a small log cabin I had built, many moons ago
 
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