VIDEO NY Union Leader: We're Changing Sides.

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Luddite

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They are admitting what union members have known for several years.

Our higher union leaders have been told not to open their mouth in our presence if their chin music is singing democratic garbage.

My ultra conservative redneck local rep has been banned from any regional zoom meetings or conference calls. :)

Please save your breath espousing the ills of collective bargaining to me. Done reasonably there is nothing subversive nor anti-capitalist about negotiating fair compensation and treatment.

This ain't your grandpa's nor Homer Simpson's union...
 
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WalknTrot

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Been seeing that for at least the last 10-15 years here in Minnesota on the Iron Range. With miners, the union is a religion, and there's been a strong Commie undercurrent there since Commie was invented and ore was discovered....BUT the region has also always been an enigma, because the people have strong family values, are fiscally conservative, hard workers, and practical, practicing outdoorsmen (which is an important political block in this state). Personally, I've NEVER understood the logic behind workers and unions supporting the kind of bullshit the Dems have peddled for the last 50 years. It's so obviously suicidal to family, economy, jobs and American values.

And so, true to form, the Range has been Trump country for the past two cycles. Damn the Dem hooks into the working class through the unions. The members/people are evolving.
 
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Luddite

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jward's point about voting self-interest is valid.

The Inflation Reduction Act is infusing  Billions of dollars into new green energy infrastructure. That enticement will be a factor in a few months.

A strong economical plan of manufacturing and exporting REAL energy need not be controlled by "fake money" nor rube goldberg energy shams. Jmo

This wasn't a non sequitur. Many hundreds maybe thousands of union construction jobs are spooling up here in Appalachia.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
WalknTrot said:
The members/people are evolving.
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Finding they do have a self-interest separate from the Democrats.

Most of the DNC is now composed of "Marxists, elite, mental issues" who never had to work a day in their life. And they are pushing the Democrat party "ever leftward" to compel their Marxist state.

In order to gain a Marxist state, the Unions will have to give up power - this is anathema to them. In order to assemble a coalition party, the Marxists will have to give up power - this is anathema to them. Two diametrically opposing forces.

Thus Trump at least offers a "continuation" of what has worked for the Labor Unions.

It will be an "interesting" election in November - if you have an election.

Dobbin
 
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desertvet2

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Imagine if you will, the day after the votes have been officially tallied and the winner(s) declared every one is standing around looking at everyone else.

Everbody is confirming and re confirming...

NONE OF US VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE.

yes, the realization hits all the normies at once.

This whole thing is bulls**t.

What do you think happens next?
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Bubble Head

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desertvet2 said:
Imagine if you will, the day after the votes have been officially tallied and the winner(s) declared every one is standing around looking at everyone else.

Everbody is confirming and re confirming...

NONE OF US VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE.

yes, the realization hits all the normies at once.

This whole thing is bulls**t.

What do you think happens next?
..
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It would be like sitting on the pot, taking a dump, looking down and saying I didn’t eat that. It has to be flushed away.
 
energy_wave

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desertvet2 said:
Imagine if you will, the day after the votes have been officially tallied and the winner(s) declared every one is standing around looking at everyone else.

Everbody is confirming and re confirming...

NONE OF US VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE.

yes, the realization hits all the normies at once.

This whole thing is bulls**t.

What do you think happens next?
..
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Call to arms.
 
energy_wave

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jward said:
Sebastian Gorka DrG
@SebGorka

NY Union Leader: We're Changing Side.

Remarkable quotes from the Liberal Mecca known as New York City

Great Video by NEWSMAX

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783833636636426318
View: https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1783833636636426318
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I know someone in PA who's family works in the steel mills. They're all Union and Democrats. Father, brother, grandfather. They voted for Biden. The entire family has gone red. Killing the Keystone pipeline was what changed their minds. Now this person posts negative Biden comments and attacks anyone opposing Trump. They feel betrayed.

Trader Joe... the great deceiver.
 
changed

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energy_wave said:
I know someone in PA who's family works in the steel mills. They're all Union and Democrats. Father, brother, grandfather. They voted for Biden. The entire family has gone red. Killing the Keystone pipeline was what changed their minds. Now this person posts negative Biden comments and attacks anyone opposing Trump. They feel betrayed.

Trader Joe... the great deceiver.
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My cousins were all Al Gore supporters when he ran for president. Imagine my surprise when I found out they were Trump supporters in 2016.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Luddite said:
Please save your breath espousing the ills of collective bargaining to me. Done reasonably there is nothing subversive nor anti-capitalist about negotiating fair compensation and treatment.
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Indeed. It's the only real leverage the regular worker has. How can it NOT be capitalist to use it?
 
Sacajawea

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Maybe this shift of support will validate what my D claims: that this is evolving into a class war. The working classes, the productive are disgusted and non-trusting of the do-nothing-but-flap-their-lips elite.
 
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Publius

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desertvet2 said:
Imagine if you will, the day after the votes have been officially tallied and the winner(s) declared every one is standing around looking at everyone else.

Everbody is confirming and re confirming...

NONE OF US VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE.

yes, the realization hits all the normies at once.

This whole thing is bulls**t.

What do you think happens next?
..
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Finding away for the people of each county that voted for "brand X" to show up in one place to do a head count.
then add up all the counties within the state. Fair Grounds would be a good place and big cities are the problem of where to do this.
 
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WalknTrot

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energy_wave said:
I know someone in PA who's family works in the steel mills. They're all Union and Democrats. Father, brother, grandfather. They voted for Biden. The entire family has gone red. Killing the Keystone pipeline was what changed their minds. Now this person posts negative Biden comments and attacks anyone opposing Trump. They feel betrayed.

Trader Joe... the great deceiver.
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Exactly. I was going to mention Pennsylvania union members along with the Iron Rangers. Same kind of mindset. That's why I'm happy for them that Fetterman (even though still a Dem) seems to finally have some rare common sense returning after his stroke.
 
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Hammer

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Luddite said:
Please save your breath espousing the ills of collective bargaining to me. Done reasonably there is nothing subversive nor anti-capitalist about negotiating fair compensation and treatment.
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The problem is that compensating everyone the same, or even on the same scale, can never be "fair", neither to the company nor to the worker. The company will be paying the poor workers more than they are worth, and under compensating the good workers who will leave. It is by definition anti-capitalist to treat everyone the same regardless of ability. Negotiating for safe working conditions is fine, but most of that is required by law these days already. Same with unfair termination. Everyone should be treated the same on that, but employment law largely protects you already.
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
Illini Warrior said:
if you didn't see it - Prez Trump "took it to the streets" the other early AM morning - did a totally impromptu rally stop at a NYC construction site - had 100s of workers and passer-bys shouting support and USA! USA! USA!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvrLWAaDNws&pp=ygUjVHJ1bXAgKyBOWUMgY29uc3RydWN0aW9uIHNpdGUgcmFsbHk%3D
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great vid, thnx for sharing!

There's another wonderful video out there of someone- a union dood iirc- suggesting biden go eff himself :eek:
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
I'm guessing that finally being taken off the leash and allowed to not vote D is something the rank and file will enthusiastically support.

as to the pull they might still have- that's a good question.
 
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Luddite

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Hammer said:
The problem is that compensating everyone the same, or even on the same scale, can never be "fair", neither to the company nor to the worker.
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Without being too specific, I've seen it all regarding collective bargaining. I have worked non-union in two different locations. Signed union cards and watched the first contract be negotiated in both locations. I was ambivalent about the union the first time.

The second time I watched it transpire because there was a 15 dollar per hour difference between workers doing the exact same job. I was in the middle and I agreed to work for my wage. I can't blame those on the lower side signing wholeheartedly. There was no clear path for advancement. No way to prove your value and see raises commensurate.

One 10 year plus employee was making 10 dollars less than peers and less than a new hire. Yes, a new hire negotiated a private starting wage at the higher limit.

The company then wondered why they got union cards signed in their direction.

As to working conditions, the sorry workers always "roll the bosses for their lunch money". They hired a worthless guy against the quiet suggestions of us workers. This person was a horrible employee in every way. The union finally unofficially dragged the company by the hand through the dismissal process. I do not exaggerate on this. Thievery of company and worker property. This worker was going to disappear if they didn't disappear if you catch my meaning.

No helpful suggestions by the union have been considered. We offered a 2 tiered pay structure to value the higher skilled workers. (It wasn't going to be 15 bucks per hour though.) Nope.

The best worker we had helped negotiate the last contract. The day it was ratified he gave two weeks notice. He took a job making at least 50k more per year and then showed back up on-site working for us as a contractor. We laughed and laughed and weren't quiet describing how stupid the company was operating.

Bottom line, for every union horror story you can tell, I'll tell you a corporate mismanagement horror story to match it...
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I watched my bride hand-walk the union Steward AND a Union Executive along with 2 company Execs through the dismissal of a major employee issue. The Bride plying HR, and the other 4 people, had a 50-page book on this guy when they finally escorted the F**er off the property.
His atty showed up the next Monday yappin and squawking about improper dismissal and such, so the bride and the EFin OWNER of the company sat the atty down and let him read the book.
Atty left and NOBODY heard from the troublemaker again.

By the time they were done, the UNION guys couldn't kick him off the property fast enough.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Hammer said:
The problem is that compensating everyone the same, or even on the same scale, can never be "fair", neither to the company nor to the worker. The company will be paying the poor workers more than they are worth, and under compensating the good workers who will leave. It is by definition anti-capitalist to treat everyone the same regardless of ability. Negotiating for safe working conditions is fine, but most of that is required by law these days already. Same with unfair termination. Everyone should be treated the same on that, but employment law largely protects you already.
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I notice you use the word "should" here. Perhaps you should reconsider.

Second, yes, the company pays the poor workers more than they're worth, but paying everyone equally poorly doesn't make things any more fair. Sometimes, like the good book says it rains on the just as well as the unjust.
 
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mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
Been on both sides of the union issue. Unions have their place but that has been greatly diminished by the last century of labor laws. And regarding the sorry-assed workers, once unions take their membership money, they have a legal obligation to fight for that union worker. Believe me I know, I've sat as management in over 1,500 (in most of them five union steward and two chief stewards vs me), in some of which the stewards agreed privately that the person they were working so hard to defend was a useless POS.
 
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